How did Goodell mess this up so badly?

[fpliii]

Why would he hide the fact that they'd seen the video?

Was he pressured by owners? Or was he trying to use not seeing the video as a justification for the short suspension, which he figured was fine at the time he handed it down?

His job shouldn't have been at risk in the slightest, but now everybody seems to be saying he won't survive this. :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Why would he hide the fact that they'd seen the video?

Was he pressured by owners? Or was he trying to use not seeing the video as a justification for the short suspension, which he figured was fine at the time he handed it down?

His job shouldn't have been at risk in the slightest, but now everybody seems to be saying he won't survive this. :facepalm



Edit: N/m, now seeing the article youre referencing.



Why are people more upset at the NFL than at Ray Rice's actions or the judge that sentenced him to a love tap on the wrist? Or the woman who has given his actions the seal of approval by marrying him?


This is a case of the media leading the herds into a particular direction, and everyone stampeding that direction with soapbox tucked firmly under their arm, hoping to get their moment to wax morally superior and admonish the big bad corporation.


Nobody in the NFL offices beat up any women. The gave him a suspension. Where is the outrage at Ray, at his wife, at the justice system? Why is everyone zeroed in on the NFL? They arent Ray Rice's baby sitter. Theyre not the judicial system. They're a business; their employee screwed up and they suspended him. If you think it was too light, then dont watch the ravens. Dont go to NFL games. But the soapbox nonsense here like the NFL is promoting domestic violence is weaksauce. They deserve the least amount of blame in all this tbh.

[Nanners]

best case scenario goodell is an incompetent idiot

worst case scenario goodell is a scumbag and a liar

neither scenario is particularly good for his future as commish of the NFL

[DeuceWallaces]

He's pretty much screwed up every major issue on his watch outside of the last CBA. I mean he royally ****ed up this, bounty-gate, concussions, Irsay, etc.

[Akrazotile]

He's pretty much screwed up every major issue on his watch outside of the last CBA. I mean he royally ****ed up this, bounty-gate, concussions, Irsay, etc.


:rolleyes:

If only everyone wa$ $o lucky to $crew up like Roger Goodell ha$

[9erempiree]

Who cares if they got the video or not or whether they have seen it. The NFL is a business and like someone mentioned, it is not their job to babysit these people.

I don't care if Goodell thinks it is ok to beat up women because thinking about it is not a crime then actually doing it. All this stuff that is going on is public outrage. Calm down people.

I want to see people try to boycott this league. NFL is our past time and I doubt people will do so.

[boozehound]

I tend to agree with starface on some of this. The first punishment was clearly way too light, but the "face saving" moves after the video leaked were just as dumb. IMO this is a legal issue first and foremost (now, did he get treated well because hes rich? of course he did). Goodell should have stood by his initial punishment.

However, if Goodell has lied about seeing the video, I cannot imagine him retaining his commission. Too much public outcry in a sport fueled by public attention.

[9erempiree]

Why is there an outrage? If Goodell did see the video then he basically did what was right and suspended Rice for 2 games. Whether the punishment fits the crime is not for the public to decide but the NFL.

They are just mad at him because he didn't throw the hammer at Rice earlier. Who cares if he should have or not. The point is, nobody decides on this except Goodell.

Cry all you want.

[MMM]

I haven't followed this story but I don't see how anyone can say people are more upsets at the league over Rice. There is enough outrage to go around but to go further you need to stop blaming the media when it's they are giving the public what it wants.

[9erempiree]

I tend to agree with starface on some of this. The first punishment was clearly way too light, but the "face saving" moves after the video leaked were just as dumb. IMO this is a legal issue first and foremost (now, did he get treated well because hes rich? of course he did). Goodell should have stood by his initial punishment.

However, if Goodell has lied about seeing the video, I cannot imagine him retaining his commission. Too much public outcry in a sport fueled by public attention.

Punishment too light? Employers don't punish players it is up to the legal system to punish them. The NFL is just like all of us, we all have differing opinions on the situation. I don't think that beating was that bad and I think she provoked him. The NFL probably felt the same way as I do.

You can judge the court of law on whether the punishment fits the crime but the you cannot hold the NFL with the same standards as the courts.

[navy]

I tend to agree with starface on some of this. The first punishment was clearly way too light, but the "face saving" moves after the video leaked were just as dumb. IMO this is a legal issue first and foremost (now, did he get treated well because hes rich? of course he did). Goodell should have stood by his initial punishment.

However, if Goodell has lied about seeing the video, I cannot imagine him retaining his commission. Too much public outcry in a sport fueled by public attention.
He got the same punishment anyone who pleaded guilty and then married his fiance would get.

Honestly, the outrage from the video is facetious. We already knew what happened. :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Why is there an outrage? If Goodell did see the video then he basically did what was right and suspended Rice for 2 games. Whether the punishment fits the crime is not for the public to decide but the NFL.

They are just mad at him because he didn't throw the hammer at Rice earlier. Who cares if he should have or not. The point is, nobody decides on this except Goodell.

Cry all you want.


Well up until now he's maintained in no uncertain terms that he hadn't seen the video. I think the thing is people can agree to disagree on the deserved punishment. But if Goodell told a bold faced lie about a serious issue, that's gonna be tough to recover from.

It's been embarrassing watching the NFL get bent over by the media and mob like this. Obviously as a business you have to position yourself generally in accordance with your customers, but here they've literally been letting Joe Soapbox call the shots on a move-by-move basis. Might as well have a viewer call-in voting system at halftime of Monday Night for every key league decision. The NFL looks weak and intimidated. They should know a temporary transgression like this isn't going to squelch America's need for pro football.

They made a PR mistake with the weak suspension. Own it, apologize, and commit to improvement going forward. That's all they have to do. They're the NFL. They're trying to shuck and jive with every new bit of info the public gets and its just disgraceful. They aren't the ones who beat anyone up. They don't need to grovel to the fans. They don't need to beg and plead. Rice had a clean record, his fiance stood up for him, and the courts gave him diversion. If the NFL had banned him for the season, they'd probably have the fukcing NAACP calling in bomb threats to league offices. There's no way they were gonna win in this thing. People just want to attack the big bad corporation because that's the easiest target. The NFL isn't responsible for Ray Rice's relationship with women. That's between Ray Rice, his wife, and if necessary law enforcement. Sure, a four game suspension probably would have been more appropriate from a PR standpoint. But so what. They made a mistake, big deal. They have bigger things to worry about running an entire league then exactly how long to suspend one player out of hundreds.

[bagelred]

NBA Commissioner - Jew
NHL Commissioner - Jew
MLB Commissioner - Jew
NFL Commissioner - Gentile


The problem is obvious...rely on the gentile, this is what happens. :facepalm

[BasedTom]

Hopefully we uncover more about Goodell's horrible tenure. That's the one positive thing about this whole Rice situation.

[Godzuki]

peple have hated Goodell since he became comissioner. he came in like a hard ass tho talking a lot of shit, and he's sort of young jerkoff looking so its easier to hate on him from the get go.

i think the owners might ask him to resign. Congress is involved, there are back room calls going on right now between powerful people to rich people and the NFL organization is taking a beating. its amazing to me since i swear TMZ kept pushing on Goodell when other media weren't. right after Rice got let go, they went hard after Goodell, the TMZ owner did interviews on CNN saying they were going to come out with somethign big that the NFL knew, and then all this shit happens where Goodell is the next social media villain to get hung.

i actually feel less sorry for him than i do Rice and Sterling lol. i never liked him either.

[Jailblazers7]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/jailblazers7/BxM53mSIYAAV2_b_zps381a9aed.jpg

[MavsSuperFan]

best case scenario goodell is an incompetent idiot

worst case scenario goodell is a scumbag and a liar

neither scenario is particularly good for his future as commish of the NFL
Until it starts hurting the owners Goodell's job is safe.
Now if women manage to organize boycotts that hurt the NFL, then he is screwed.

PS. Goodell made 40 million + in 2012, damn wish I was commish of the NFL.

[Jailblazers7]

Until it starts hurting the owners Goodell's job is safe.
Now if women manage to organize boycotts that hurt the NFL, then he is screwed.

PS. Goodell made 40 million + in 2012, damn wish I was commish of the NFL.

For comparison, Jamie Dimon made ~$20M last year.

[MavsSuperFan]

the NFL is so damn successful
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-04/nfls-secretive-finances-a-nearly-10-billion-mystery


The National Football League season begins on Thursday night with two teams playing on national television. It doesn’t really matter which teams (Green Bay Packers at Seattle Seahawks) or what channel (NBC). Tens of millions of people will be watching. The NFL is the most popular show on TV and arguably the last totem of American mass culture. Last fall, 34 of the 35 most-watched programs on TV were NFL games. That doesn’t include Super Bowl XLVIII, which set a U.S. viewership record of 111.5 million.

:wtf: Not only the most popular sports league in america, but the most popular television show.


In a memo to owners, the league’s compensation committee justified the more than $44 million in pay for its current commissioner, Roger Goodell, as “appropriate given the fact that the N.F.L. under his consistently strong leadership continues to grow and is by far the most successful sports league.” He has served as commissioner since 2006.
Goodell is making crazy money


The Packers’ annual report, meanwhile, showed $187.7 million in national revenue last year. That’s the team’s equal share in the league’s national TV revenue and a grab bag of money called “NFL Ventures” that comes from the league’s cable network; collective merchandising, licensing, and sponsorships (excluding the Dallas Cowboys); production house; and digital properties.

Multiplying that $187.7 million by the number of teams puts the shared NFL revenue pot at just over $6 billion. Most of that money is from national TV deals, and the number will grow with the new $275 million Thursday-night package sold to CBS this year. Ventures revenue, however, is the most rapidly growing, according to John Vrooman, a Vanderbilt University economist who tracks the NFL.

$6 billion in just tv revenue, probably higher cause it excludes the cowboys, who choose to keep our own tv revenues and not share in the NFL pie


That leaves more than $3 billion in local, unshared revenue between the 32 teams to get to the NFL’s total of roughly $9.2 billion. Most of the local revenue comes from ticket sales, which are split 60-40 for each game between the home and visiting team. On average, each NFL team generates about $100 million in unshared money. (The Packers claimed $136.3 million last season.)

[christian1923]

Until it starts hurting the owners Goodell's job is safe.
Now if women manage to organize boycotts that hurt the NFL, then he is screwed.

PS. Goodell made 40 million + in 2012, damn wish I was commish of the NFL.
It wouldn't take a boycott, as soon as a couple sponsors drop the NFL like they did with the clippers then that's when they'll vote him out.

[RedBlackAttack]

Why would he hide the fact that they'd seen the video?

Was he pressured by owners? Or was he trying to use not seeing the video as a justification for the short suspension, which he figured was fine at the time he handed it down?

His job shouldn't have been at risk in the slightest, but now everybody seems to be saying he won't survive this. :facepalm
This thing has been so unbelievably blown out of proportion, as is every media sensationalized story in this day and age, it is disgusting. I know seeing a video of an act like this can be pretty damning, but what exactly did people think happened?

It was no secret prior to this madness over the video that Ray Rice punched her in the face, committing an act of domestic violence. People saw the video of Rice carrying her around and trying (and failing) to get her to stand up.

What the hell did they think happened? It was never a secret that he punched her in the face. So, why has this video dominated the 24-hour news cycle for the past three days?

And, I don't think Goddell is lying. I think he has been an awful commissioner and I won't be sorry to see him go, but this holier than thou act that the media pulls off any time the opportunity presents itself has become very transparent to me. Yes, it is completely possible that the video was sent to the NFL offices and it never reached Goddell's office.

But, he has already been essentially tried and found guilty by ESPN, NBC, MSNBC, etc. I'm sick of the news dictating who is a good person and why and who we should all despise.

[ThePhantomCreep]

It wouldn't take a boycott, as soon as a couple sponsors drop the NFL like they did with the clippers then that's when they'll vote him out.

That's not going to happen--the NFL reached 81% of US homes last season and had a total viewership of 205 million. This isn't Duck Dynasty or even the Clippers we're talking about. The NFL is a behemoth.

[Akrazotile]

NBA Commissioner - Jew
NHL Commissioner - Jew
MLB Commissioner - Jew
NFL Commissioner - Gentile


The problem is obvious...rely on the gentile, this is what happens. :facepalm


Clock's ticking on this one. Bud's retiring at the end of the season and his successor is a cath-o-lic.

[christian1923]

That's not going to happen--the NFL reached 81% of US homes last season and had a total viewership of 205 million. This isn't Duck Dynasty or even the Clippers we're talking about. The NFL is a behemoth.
It could. It only takes one big sponsor.

[Derka]

Arrogance. Plain and simple.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Because all he really cares about I'd money.

End of story.

Money. Period.

[Derka]

It could. It only takes one big sponsor.
And some other sponsor will step right in and pay out of their ass to advertise during NFL games. What you're suggesting could never happen unless every player, coach, owner and administrator and maintenance man who works for the NFL stood up as one on national television and said in one voice "F*ck America, women, Jews, blacks, Muslims and gays. We just killed a hospital full of cancer patient children because they're useless. Also, heil Hitler." If that happened, I give it a 50/50 shot that Americans would stop watching NFL Football.

[bagelred]

This thing has been so unbelievably blown out of proportion, as is every media sensationalized story in this day and age, it is disgusting. I know seeing a video of an act like this can be pretty damning, but what exactly did people think happened?

It was no secret prior to this madness over the video that Ray Rice punched her in the face, committing an act of domestic violence. People saw the video of Rice carrying her around and trying (and failing) to get her to stand up.

What the hell did they think happened? It was never a secret that he punched her in the face. So, why has this video dominated the 24-hour news cycle for the past three days?

And, I don't think Goddell is lying. I think he has been an awful commissioner and I won't be sorry to see him go, but this holier than thou act that the media pulls off any time the opportunity presents itself has become very transparent to me. Yes, it is completely possible that the video was sent to the NFL offices and it never reached Goddell's office.

But, he has already been essentially tried and found guilty by ESPN, NBC, MSNBC, etc. I'm sick of the news dictating who is a good person and why and who we should all despise.

Yup.

[MavsSuperFan]

It could. It only takes one big sponsor.
the truth is sexism is far more acceptable than racism is in 2014.
Especially in realization to american pro sports where its disproportionately black.

If sterling had said some stuff that was pro domestic violence, he would probably still have his team.

[BurningHammer]

When money > integrity, shits usually happen.

[MavsSuperFan]

This thing has been so unbelievably blown out of proportion, as is every media sensationalized story in this day and age, it is disgusting. I know seeing a video of an act like this can be pretty damning, but what exactly did people think happened?

It was no secret prior to this madness over the video that Ray Rice punched her in the face, committing an act of domestic violence. People saw the video of Rice carrying her around and trying (and failing) to get her to stand up.

What the hell did they think happened? It was never a secret that he punched her in the face. So, why has this video dominated the 24-hour news cycle for the past three days?

And, I don't think Goddell is lying. I think he has been an awful commissioner and I won't be sorry to see him go, but this holier than thou act that the media pulls off any time the opportunity presents itself has become very transparent to me. Yes, it is completely possible that the video was sent to the NFL offices and it never reached Goddell's office.

But, he has already been essentially tried and found guilty by ESPN, NBC, MSNBC, etc. I'm sick of the news dictating who is a good person and why and who we should all despise.
To me the video changed a lot of things.

I always knew rice punched her, but what was maybe even worse is how he acted after punching her.

To me its never ok to punch a woman (unless obviously if she had a knife or something worse and was trying to stab you), but as bad as it is sometimes in the heat of the moment people do things they regret.

Rice after punching her, dragged her and dropped her like a sack of potatoes. He didnt hold her up, He didnt try to revive her, he didnt check if she was ok (she had hit her head pretty hard), etc.

The first person to check on his girl was a total stranger. Rice acted totally calm after KOing his girl. It would have looked a lot better to me if the video had shown him trying to revive her, checking if she was ok, holding her up, carrying her to a hospital, trying to get some medical attention to his girl, etc.

How calm rice acted after KOing his girl, made me wonder how extraordinary of an occurrence that was.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I'm sick of the news dictating who is a good person and why and who we should all despise.

Well put. This drives me crazy. The media tells us who is good and who is bad, and 95% of us believe it. The other 5% of us are often ostracized for thinking for ourselves or not rushing to judgement like everyone else.

In 2014 it's not pc to be objective.

[DeuceWallaces]

This thing has been so unbelievably blown out of proportion, as is every media sensationalized story in this day and age, it is disgusting. I know seeing a video of an act like this can be pretty damning, but what exactly did people think happened?

It was no secret prior to this madness over the video that Ray Rice punched her in the face, committing an act of domestic violence. People saw the video of Rice carrying her around and trying (and failing) to get her to stand up.

What the hell did they think happened? It was never a secret that he punched her in the face. So, why has this video dominated the 24-hour news cycle for the past three days?

And, I don't think Goddell is lying. I think he has been an awful commissioner and I won't be sorry to see him go, but this holier than thou act that the media pulls off any time the opportunity presents itself has become very transparent to me. Yes, it is completely possible that the video was sent to the NFL offices and it never reached Goddell's office.

But, he has already been essentially tried and found guilty by ESPN, NBC, MSNBC, etc. I'm sick of the news dictating who is a good person and why and who we should all despise.

Lol that's such a lame hot sports take; do you have a local radio show in Youngstown?

He evidently is lying, just like any sane person would have guessed from the start, but now there appears to be more proof. Given NFL demographics, alienating 30-40% of your viewers is not being sensational. It's a big deal to a lot of fans as it should be. You need to wake up.

[ace23]

How do you know he'd seen the video?

[JtotheIzzo]

incompetence to the highest order.

Goodell needs to go.

not just because of this, but because of the micro-managing (and frequent bungling) of every scandal.

when you put your finger prints on everything, you then own those actions.

[DeuceWallaces]

How do you know he'd seen the video?

Because there's confirmation in a voicemail that someone high up saw it. Even if he claims ignorance it's the same situation that he rocked Peyton with. He claimed Peyton was responsible because he was in charge. It'll be hilarious when the PA flips the script on him and does the same.

[JtotheIzzo]

Because there's confirmation in a voicemail that someone high up saw it. Even if he claims ignorance it's the same situation that he rocked Peyton with. He claimed Peyton was responsible because he was in charge. It'll be hilarious when the PA flips the script on him and does the same.


correct, it doesn't matter if he has seen it, it is organizational incompetence and the CEO pays the price for this kind of **** up.

Goodell should have been gone after the concussion fiasco but he was making his bosses too much money, now, once the sponsors start walking, he is a dead man walking.

Gonna be funny as shit to see all the players wearing pink this October.

[Akrazotile]

correct, it doesn't matter if he has seen it, it is organizational incompetence and the CEO pays the price for this kind of **** up.

Goodell should have been gone after the concussion fiasco but he was making his bosses too much money, now, once the sponsors start walking, he is a dead man walking.

Gonna be funny as shit to see all the players wearing pink this October.

Wait, why is it Goodell and the NFL's job to play ruler of social justice?

What do you do to combat/discourage violence? If the answer is nothing, should you be fired? What if Ray Rice had punched out a man and was a first time offender? Is this as big a deal? We have to give women equal pay and equal say, but then give them special treatment when they want it?



Do you like watching football? If you do, then watch it. If you dont, then take up gardening. Honestly why the fukc do you care if Roger Goodell is the commissioner or not? I would love to hear an answer that doesnt come off as completely hypocritical.

[joe]

My main problem with Gooddell is not really his fault.. his desire to expand the playoffs/regular season. That is probably coming from the owners more than him personally. But to me that is such a dumb idea. Players are already beaten and bruised by week 17. There are already a lot of injuries. At some point, the quality of the games has to be more important than a boost in revenue.

When sports meets business... just like when art meets business... it is just frustrating to watch.

[mlh1981]

I've heard and read some stories about fans who are going to boycott the league. People aren't gonna go anywhere. Lets see the ratings after the games this Sunday. There is such an appetite for NFL football, and at the end of the day, people want their product.

[senelcoolidge]

Interesting how ESPN is totally going apesh+t on Goodell, the owners, and the league. I know that the NFL screwed up, but they are diverting the attention from Rice and what he did. espn has a tendency to do things like this..they always side with players.

[ALBballer]

This thing has been so unbelievably blown out of proportion, as is every media sensationalized story in this day and age, it is disgusting. I know seeing a video of an act like this can be pretty damning, but what exactly did people think happened?

It was no secret prior to this madness over the video that Ray Rice punched her in the face, committing an act of domestic violence. People saw the video of Rice carrying her around and trying (and failing) to get her to stand up.

What the hell did they think happened? It was never a secret that he punched her in the face. So, why has this video dominated the 24-hour news cycle for the past three days?

And, I don't think Goddell is lying. I think he has been an awful commissioner and I won't be sorry to see him go, but this holier than thou act that the media pulls off any time the opportunity presents itself has become very transparent to me. Yes, it is completely possible that the video was sent to the NFL offices and it never reached Goddell's office.

But, he has already been essentially tried and found guilty by ESPN, NBC, MSNBC, etc. I'm sick of the news dictating who is a good person and why and who we should all despise.

Well put.

The media and social media is to blame for this holier than thou bullshit. Especially social media where every individual is looking to show superior they are morally than everyone else.

[Jailblazers7]

Wait, why is it Goodell and the NFL's job to play ruler of social justice?

What do you do to combat/discourage violence? If the answer is nothing, should you be fired? What if Ray Rice had punched out a man and was a first time offender? Is this as big a deal? We have to give women equal pay and equal say, but then give them special treatment when they want it?



Do you like watching football? If you do, then watch it. If you dont, then take up gardening. Honestly why the fukc do you care if Roger Goodell is the commissioner or not? I would love to hear an answer that doesnt come off as completely hypocritical.

Goodell has essentially taken on that role from Day 1 with his heavy punishments and explicit desire to clean up player behavior.

[ALBballer]

Where's the outrage at the law enforcement?

The NFL is a business and should not be in the business of imposing their morals on their customers.

[Akrazotile]

Goodell has essentially taken on that role from Day 1 with his heavy punishments and explicit desire to clean up player behavior.


And the same people complaining about inaction now were the ones complaining about his action then.

The public just needs something to whine about to pass the time. God forbid they should go get a life or pick up a hobby.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Where's the outrage at the law enforcement?

The NFL is a business and should not be in the business of imposing their morals on their customers.

Yeah but the law enforcement didn't lie. There was some minor backlash against the attorney general or whomever conducted the case against Ray Rice, but all he got was like anger management or something silly. The reason was apparently "This is a very typical punishment for all first time domestic abusers."

I'm not so sure about that, but I'm not well versed on how first time abusers are punished in the court. I also would imagine Janey's testimony helped her husband's case at the time anyways.

Goodell literally could have been like "We've suspended 2 games because historically we've suspended all first time domestic violence abusers 2 games and we're not going to let public opinion sway that." Or even "We usually suspend 2 games for these types of things but our punishments are antiquated and we need a higher suspension limit so we're going to go with 8 and set the standard here on out".

But he literally did the worst thing he could have, and that was lie and then react based on public sentiment. It's a big fumble on his part and makes him look like a stooge.

[boozehound]

Punishment too light? Employers don't punish players it is up to the legal system to punish them. The NFL is just like all of us, we all have differing opinions on the situation. I don't think that beating was that bad and I think she provoked him. The NFL probably felt the same way as I do.

You can judge the court of law on whether the punishment fits the crime but the you cannot hold the NFL with the same standards as the courts.
not in something like the nfl. That is the whole point of the cba. the nfl has its own punishments and of course we can have an opinion on it.

and, of course this scumbag doesnt think it was that bad to knock your baby mama the **** out because she provoked you.

[Jailblazers7]

And the same people complaining about inaction now were the ones complaining about his action then.

The public just needs something to whine about to pass the time. God forbid they should go get a life or pick up a hobby.

Not denying that but Goodell is the one who established the standards by which he is being judged. Sure, plenty of people are just voices looking to shout an opinion but a lot of people are genuinely upset (and have good reason to be). I'm not saying he had to adopt a scorched earth policy but he failed in his stated goal of cleaning up NFL behavior and may have went out of his way to cover up the situation in doing so.

I think the Ravens deserve a lot more criticism for not responding more thoroughly especially since Ozzie Newsome stated that Ray told him the entire truth about the event. I think the focus should be more on Rice and the history of violence against women in the NFL. Shit, there should even be discussion about the PED culture in the NFL that leads to wildly imbalanced players that lash out violently (something that Goodell has done almost nothing to address). But these stories are often about people and scapegoats...not systemic causes.