Kawhi Leonard's stats vs Durant and vs LeBron in the playoffs last year:

[russwest0]

vs Durant:
12/6/3 on on 41/26/90

vs LeBron:
18/6/2 on 61/58/78

"That's why I should be DPOY" (Fresh off of realizing he won't be getting MVP)

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jlamb47]

vs Durant:
12/6/3 on on 41/26/90

vs LeBron:
18/6/2 on 61/58/78

"That's why I should be DPOY" (Fresh off of realizing he won't be getting MVP)

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Leonard has trouble with Kevins length on offense. But yeah Leonard shot great against Lebron lol....FMVP babeyy GO SPURS!

[russwest0]

Leonard has trouble with Kevins length on offense. But yeah Leonard shot great against Lebron lol....FMVP babeyy GO SPURS!

lol Durant's length does cause a lot of problems.

I still lol at how he can lead the playoffs in scoring, rape the Clippers and Grizzlies (both 50+ win teams) in elimination games, and have idiots (some in the media) like "Why is Durant getting shut down?"

:lol

[navy]

How many times did Kawhi score on Durant or Lebron and not some fast break point or open shot from the Spurs ball movement?

[Jlamb47]

lol Durant's length does cause a lot of problems.

I still lol at how he can lead the playoffs in scoring, rape the Clippers and Grizzlies (both 50+ win teams) in elimination games, and have idiots (some in the media) like "Why is Durant getting shut down?"

:lol

People like to troll to help their favorite player look better (Lebron)

Durant was amazing in the playoffs i guess people expected more cuz he was so great that year.
his stats were trully amazing

[Warfan]

People like to troll to help their favorite player look better (Lebron)

Durant was amazing in the playoffs i guess people expected more cuz he was so great that year.
his stats were trully amazing

Durant was not amazing in the playoffs, especially against San Antonio

[russwest0]

How many times did Kawhi score on Durant or Lebron and not some fast break point or open shot from the Spurs ball movement?

I'm sure not ALL of his points were on both of those guys, but the majority of the time they were who defended him. I watched all games of both of those series.

Even if Durant has a bad series I can come away saying that he isn't going to do this shit lol:

http://tuesdayswithhorry.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/lebronkawhi.gif

[russwest0]

Durant was not amazing in the playoffs, especially against San Antonio

He wasn't perfect, but he still played damn well for a player who just played over 3000 minutes in the regular season (and a bunch towards the end) and had to go through three 50+ win teams just to reach the Finals.

He put up 33/10/5 on the Clippers and you have dipshits still trying to claim that he got "shut down" that series :oldlol:

And whenever they bring up Tony Allen and you bring up games 6 and 7, they don't say shit either :lol

[Mr Exlax]

Do you happen to have his stats for the series just when LeBron and KD were actually on him? Also, how many of the points were assisted on?

[russwest0]

Do you happen to have his stats for the series just when LeBron and KD were actually on him? Also, how many of the points were assisted on?

no I don't have the synergy stats but I'd love for someone to post them if they have them

it'd be great to see lebron and durant's stats with kawhi on them plus kawhi's stats with lebron and durant on him.

I know on youtube I saw someone post that one game in the Finals (don't remember which one), LeBron was like 0-5 shooting with Kawhi guarding him or something like that. He truly didn't do shit until Kawhi was on the bench in garbage time whatever game that was

[aj1987]

Durant vs Leonard - 26/8/3/1/1 on 56% TS
LeBron vs Leonard - 28/8/4/2/1 on 68% TS

[russwest0]

Durant vs Leonard - 26/8/3/1/1 on 56% TS
LeBron vs Leonard - 28/8/4/2/1 on 68% TS

lmao, look above. There were games where LeBron went like 0-5 shooting vs Kawhi and then in the 3rd quarter went apeshit and statpadded while Kawhi was on the bench because it was garbage time.

Everyone who watched the Finals saw that, you can bold the TS% all you want. And at least Durant didn't turn the ball over 4 times a game as well :lol

with Durant I know he can go 0-5 vs Allen, Kawhi, whoever, and the shooting won't stop there. He's going to go out guns blazing as every great player should.

[Mr Exlax]

no I don't have the synergy stats but I'd love for someone to post them if they have them

it'd be great to see lebron and durant's stats with kawhi on them plus kawhi's stats with lebron and durant on him

Oh man off topic, but the Tony Allen thing bothers me. He's a defensive stopper. That's his thing. He doesn't have to use any energy on offense like KD does so I'm ok with him giving KD problems. That's his bread and butter. The ONLY thing that bothered me was that KD wasn't able to post him up. I really really hope KD worked on that over the summer. I was always under the impression that he had one. Maybe TA was just too strong for him to effectively post him up which makes sense as well. What do you think?

[Mr Exlax]

lmao, look above. There were games where LeBron went like 0-5 shooting vs Kawhi and then in the 3rd quarter went apeshit and statpadded while Kawhi was on the bench because it was garbage time.

Everyone who watched the Finals saw that, you can bold the TS% all you want. And at least Durant didn't turn the ball over 4 times a game as well :lol

Kawhi made both of them work for buckets. I'm ok with that. KD and LeBron are their team's focal points on offense. They have to create for themselves as well as everybody else. I don't think Kawhi outplayed either one of them even though his team won.

[edrick]

Lebron was on Leonard the entire? I seem to recall Lebron guarding many different people, especially Parker.

[russwest0]

Oh man off topic, but the Tony Allen thing bothers me. He's a defensive stopper. That's his thing. He doesn't have to use any energy on offense like KD does so I'm ok with him giving KD problems. That's his bread and butter. The ONLY thing that bothered me was that KD wasn't able to post him up. I really really hope KD worked on that over the summer. I was always under the impression that he had one. Maybe TA was just too strong for him to effectively post him up which makes sense as well. What do you think?

That tony allen shit is overblown. The refs were letting him literally grab KD off ball and move him around with handchecking on D, and Durant had just came off playing a TON of minutes, like 45 minutes in the final game of the year where he had to score 40+ points and hit a game winner just to beat the shitty Pistons all because Brooks had abandoned the young guys from the rotation.

Basically, as we all know, the refs call more fouls in the playoffs, but in the grizzlies series truly let shit go, and Durant had been in a shooting slump for a month or two while being overworked, and these things (along with Brooks's dumbass rotations) led to Durant having a few bad games vs an amazing defender in the playoffs.

Regardless, Allen couldn't do shit to stop KD in the elimination games of that series. 5-5 shooting for 3's from Durant in game 7 is what buried the Grizzlies.

[Mr Exlax]

Lebron was on Leonard the entire? I seem to recall Lebron guarding many different people, especially Parker.

This is ISH. These guys don't care bro.

[russwest0]

Lebron was on Leonard the entire? I seem to recall Lebron guarding many different people, especially Parker.

You can stupidly try to interpret my post as something I never said but it doesn't change the facts, kid. They're out there in the form of synergy stats somewhere.

[aj1987]

lmao, look above. There were games where LeBron went like 0-5 shooting vs Kawhi and then in the 3rd quarter went apeshit and statpadded while Kawhi was on the bench because it was garbage time.

Everyone who watched the Finals saw that, you can bold the TS% all you want. And at least Durant didn't turn the ball over 4 times a game as well :lol

with Durant I know he can go 0-5 vs Allen, Kawhi, whoever, and the shooting won't stop there. He's going to go out guns blazing as every great player should.
1. How the **** do you "statpad" in the 3rd Q of a game which you're losing?
2. LeBron turned it over 3.8 times a game and KD did it 3.3 times (he wasn't even the main ball handler, BTW).
3. If Wade averaged 26/6/7/3 on 55% TS and played good defense, Miami wouldn't have lost.

LeBron still >> KD. Deal with it. KD is gonna end up as the Karl Malone of this era.

[Encre92]

Lebron has 2 more rings than KD.

Lebron has 2 more FMVPs than KD.

Lebron has 3 more MVPs than KD.

Lebron in the top 10 all time list, KD isn't even in top 50.

[Mr Exlax]

That tony allen shit is overblown. The refs were letting him literally grab KD off ball and move him around with handchecking on D, and Durant had just came off playing a TON of minutes, like 45 minutes in the final game of the year where he had to score 40+ points and hit a game winner just to beat the shitty Pistons all because Brooks had abandoned the young guys from the rotation.

Basically, as we all know, the refs call more fouls in the playoffs, but in the grizzlies series truly let shit go, and Durant had been in a shooting slump for a month or two while being overworked, and these things (along with Brooks's dumbass rotations) led to Durant having a few bad games vs an amazing defender in the playoffs.

Regardless, Allen couldn't do shit to stop KD in the elimination games of that series. 5-5 shooting for 3's from Durant in game 7 is what buried the Grizzlies.

Yeah I'm not too worried about it. What do you think about KD not being able to post up and score on TA? Does he have a post game? I was for sure he did. If he doesn't, I bet he's working on it right now.

[russwest0]

1. How the **** do you "statpad" in the 3rd Q of a game which you're losing?
2. LeBron turned it over 3.8 times a game and KD did it 3.3 times (he wasn't even the main ball handler, BTW).
3. If Wade averaged 26/6/7/3 on 55% TS and played good defense, Miami wouldn't have lost.

LeBron still >> KD. Deal with it. KD is gonna end up as the Karl Malone of this era.

Thanks for ignoring the primary point of my post, which is that LeBron truly got locked the **** up by Kawhi and (as literally EVERYONE who watched that series saw...) chose not to challenge him too much, and instead chose to go the statpad "this loss isn't my fault" route, so he could keep getting the positive attention while he bailed to Cleveland.

As a Heat fan, you know it, I know it, we all here know it, because we watched the damn games

[russwest0]

Yeah I'm not too worried about it. What do you think about KD not being able to post up and score on TA? Does he have a post game? I was for sure he did. If he doesn't, I bet he's working on it right now.

Of course KD has a post game. For the past two years he has finished as one of the most efficient post scorers in the league (and he gets double teamed more than any player in the league by far). And last year his passing from the post was amazing.

I also don't think he needs to "bulk up" or any shit like that. That shit is so overrated.

[Jlamb47]

Lebron has 2 more rings than KD.

Lebron has 2 more FMVPs than KD.

Lebron has 3 more MVPs than KD.

Lebron in the top 10 all time list, KD isn't even in top 50.

TROLL

[aj1987]

Thanks for ignoring the primary point of my post, which is that LeBron truly got locked the **** up by Kawhi and (as literally EVERYONE who watched that series saw...) chose not to challenge him too much, and instead chose to go the statpad "this loss isn't my fault" route, so he could keep getting the positive attention while he bailed to Cleveland.

As a Heat fan, you know it, I know it, we all here know it, because we watched the damn games
Miami lost because of their defense, you idiot. Not because of their offense. You would know that if you actually watched the games. That being said, if you actually believe that LeBron got "locked up" by Kawhi, then you can't ignore the fact that KD, a player who you consider to be better than LeBron, got absolutely SHIT on by Kawhi as well.

The entire team sucked ass. Wade was just terrible. Bosh, Chalmers, and Cole were garbage as well.


Of course KD has a post game. For the past two years he has finished as one of the most efficient post scorers in the league (and he gets double teamed more than any player in the league by far). And last year his passing from the post was amazing.
:oldlol:

[russwest0]

I'd rather have my franchise's star player be someone who will keep shooting in a tough matchup rather than bitch out and look out for his own interests, image, and brand.

Yes, you may say that Durant shot too much at times in the playoffs, maybe he should have stopped shooting whenever he was just 0-4 with Allen on him, and should have picked his spots more, and should have put up like 22-23 points on 54% or something.

But I'll be damned if I won't ever support a star player taking it upon himself to carry his team to victory and NOT expect it to be the other way around.

And I never said the Heat didn't lose because of defense, jackass. Everyone here should know by now that that is exactly why they lost. I'm simply saying (and you should know this as well) that LeBron being choosey as fukk whenever the games were actually still close didn't help at all.

[Encre92]

TROLL
How am I trolling when all the things I posted are true?:wtf: :facepalm

[russwest0]

Ask Kobe, Wade, Jordan, or any all time great perimeter player if being picky with your shot selection while your teammates aren't providing is even an option in the playoffs.

I guarantee you that you'll get the same response from them all, which would be an adamant "Hell no!"

I guess with LeBron it's not as fair because he's not the type of guy to pull up over 2-3 people and hit the tough shots. He really was more of a power forward last year with the way he picked his shots carefully. I'm simply just saying that we acknowledge that is all.

[riseagainst]

How am I trolling when all the things I posted are true?:wtf: :facepalm

yeah. Lebron is ahead of Durant right now. Lebron is at the 15th spot, while Durant is at 16th.

[Encre92]

yeah. Lebron is ahead of Durant right now. Lebron is at the 15th spot, while Durant is at 16th.
Bullshit.

Lebron is at least at the 8th spot.

KD isn't top 50. Don't kid yourself.

[aj1987]

I'd rather have my franchise's star player be someone who will keep shooting in a tough matchup rather than bitch out and look out for his own interests, image, and brand.

Yes, you may say that Durant shot too much at times in the playoffs, maybe he should have stopped shooting whenever he was just 0-4 with Allen on him, and should have picked his spots more, and should have put up like 22-23 points on 54% or something.

But I'll be damned if I won't ever support a star player taking it upon himself to carry his team to victory and NOT expect it to be the other way around.

And I never said the Heat didn't lose because of defense, jackass. Everyone here should know by now that that is exactly why they lost. I'm simply saying (and you should know this as well) that LeBron being choosey as fukk whenever the games were actually still close didn't help at all.
Yeah, LeBron should chuck up 25 shots a game at 45%, when they're the worst rebounding team in the league. Makes sense. :facepalm

[russwest0]

Yeah, LeBron should chuck up 25 shots a game

You're goddamn right he should have. Thankfully for the Spurs though the guy already had his next superteam with Kyrie and Love in Cleveland on his mind.

[ArbitraryWater]

People like to troll to help their favorite player look better (Lebron)

Durant was amazing in the playoffs i guess people expected more cuz he was so great that year.
his stats were trully amazing

The revisionist history is hilarious..

Those stats look real fancy now, huh?

If you would have said during the postseason "Durant is playing amazing these playoffs", people would have laughed at you.. Quickly change the story, and bam, 3 months later what he did turns into "amazing"...

[russwest0]

The revisionist history is hilarious..

Those stats look real fancy now, huh?

If you would have said during the postseason "Durant is playing amazing these playoffs", people would have laughed at you.. Quickly change the story, and bam, 3 months later what he did turns into "amazing"...

If you saw the context of his post then you'd understand that he was talking "amazing" in regards to the average NBA player.

Not an angle I'd take, but I understand what he meant.

[JohnFreeman]

Durant was less then average in those playoffs.

[Beastmode88]

Bullshit.

Lebron is at least at the 8th spot.

KD isn't top 50. Don't kid yourself.

MJ, KAJ, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Magic & Kobe. (In no particular order) How is he top 8?

[JohnFreeman]

MJ, KAJ, Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Magic & Kobe. (In no particular order) How is he top 8?
lol at Kobe "roleplayer rings" Bryant

[Jlamb47]

The revisionist history is hilarious..

Those stats look real fancy now, huh?

If you would have said during the postseason "Durant is playing amazing these playoffs", people would have laughed at you.. Quickly change the story, and bam, 3 months later what he did turns into "amazing"...

I actually watche damn near every game and he was amazing

you dont lead the playoff in scoring and not be amazing

yeah he wasnt what he was in the regular season but OKC was a 2 man team

Durant still did good he was having fatigue issues out there

He just didnt live up to expectations so everyone think he sucked but he didnt

[AintNoSunshine]

Kawhi FMVP: 1

Durant: 0:oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Kawhi FMVP: 1

Durant: 0:oldlol:
Rat poison

[Encre92]

Kawhi FMVP: 1

Durant: 0:oldlol:
Damn that smiley must have broke russwest0 soul.

[Bigsmoke]

Kawhi FMVP: 1

Durant: 0:oldlol:

Ether:lol

[russwest0]

Does anyone have access to stats in regards to how a player does with a certain player guarding him?

I'd love to see LeBron's stats vs Kawhi in the Finals last season and vice versa

[aj1987]

You're goddamn right he should have. Thankfully for the Spurs though the guy already had his next superteam with Kyrie and Love in Cleveland on his mind.
Way to ignore the rest of the post retard.

[imdaman99]

Bran's defender stylin and winning FMVP on his ass :roll:

Great defenders don't allow that to happen. Overrated defenders do though.

[imdaman99]

Let's list all the defenders bran has covered in the Finals over the years.

2011 Marion and Terry, we will call that a failure
2012 Perkins and Sefolosha, we will say he played great defense on them and held them at their averages
2013 Kawhi and Parker, we will call that a wash since Kawhi lit him up and he guarded injured Parker well
2013 Kawhi wins Finals MVP

Overall, I think he did well because he shut down Kendrick Perkins and Sefolosha :applause: and guarded Durant to hack his way to a win.

[Beastmode88]

lol at Kobe "roleplayer rings" Bryant

And lebron's "heat rings" don't count if you discredit Kobes. He had to team up with 2 all stars on ANOTHER team rather than build one in Cleveland. And when Cleveland built a better team he jumped ship again after ditching 2 aging all stars. If that's not ring chasing I don't know what is.

[Angel Face]

Kawhi "roleplayer" Leonard bagging FMVP over Lebron. He clearly got Lebron shat his pants during that series. Most of Lebron's points came in garbage time.

[tpols]

Lebron was on Leonard the entire? I seem to recall Lebron guarding many different people, especially Parker.

Lebron took parker only late in games in 2013 to stop his clutch scoring.. Parker isnt a great shooter.. mostly a pentrator so Lebron shadowing 5 feet off is pretty easy to nuetralize him. Kawhi can shoot and was raining buckets on bran all game especially early on in games 3-5 to help the spurs build enormous leads. He went off on Lebron.. as did Joe Johnson in the second round when he gave bran like 7 straight buckets in crunchtime.. and as did Jason Terry a few years back.. basically if you can shoot, you can beat bran's defense.

[riseagainst]

i like how when lebron guarded parker in 2013 for a few times down the stretch successfully, lebron stans would go: "lebron completely shut down parker that series."

now when lebron gets lit up by Kawhi in 2014, lebron stans go: "lebron barely guarded him."

:roll:
:roll:

[aj1987]

Lebron took parker only late in games in 2013 to stop his clutch scoring.. Parker isnt a great shooter.. mostly a pentrator so Lebron shadowing 5 feet off is pretty easy to nuetralize him. Kawhi can shoot and was raining buckets on bran all game especially early on in games 3-5 to help the spurs build enormous leads. He went off on Lebron.. as did Joe Johnson in the second round when he gave bran like 7 straight buckets in crunchtime.. and as did Jason Terry a few years back.. basically if you can shoot, you can beat bran's defense.
Terry averaged 17 points on 46/46/88 in the first 3 rounds and 19 on 52/38/75. Lets not act like he wasn't playing really well before the Finals. Same with Joe Johnson. Dude scored like 22 on ridiculous percentages against the Raps. 20 on excellent efficiency against the Heat. Dude definitely hit some ridiculously contested jumpers against the Heat in game 5. He would've hit them against any defender in the league. If you're a good shooter, you can almost always beat any good defender.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Terry averaged 17 points on 46/46/88 in the first 3 rounds and 19 on 52/38/75. Lets not act like he wasn't playing really well before the Finals. Same with Joe Johnson. Dude scored like 22 on ridiculous percentages against the Raps. 20 on excellent efficiency against the Heat. Dude definitely hit some ridiculously contested jumpers against the Heat in game 5. He would've hit them against any defender in the league. If you're a good shooter, you can almost always beat any good defender.

Then how come every good shooter hasn't had NBA Finals series where they outscored GOAT candidates?

[Smoke117]

How many times did Kawhi score on Durant or Lebron and not some fast break point or open shot from the Spurs ball movement?

Don't ask questions that would make sense, you will confuse russ.

[Bigsmoke]

Kawhi "roleplayer" Leonard bagging FMVP over Lebron. He clearly got Lebron shat his pants during that series. Most of Lebron's points came in garbage time.

Billups, Rip, Ray Allen, and Pierce all averaged 20ppg+ in the two finals which the Lakers lost.
Way to go Kobe:lol

[riseagainst]

Billups, Rip, Ray Allen, and Pierce all averaged 20ppg+ in the two finals which the Lakers lost.
Way to go Kobe:lol

yeah. Cus Kobe is supposed to guard 2 players at once.

:rolleyes:

[aj1987]

Then how come every good shooter hasn't had NBA Finals series where they outscored GOAT candidates?
Except for the '11 series, how many good shooters have outscored LeBron? GOAT candidates are players who can drive, shoot, post-up, ect.. It's not fair to compare those kind of players to GOAT candidates scoring wise.


yeah. Cus Kobe is supposed to guard 2 players at once.

:rolleyes:
So, LeBron is supposed to cover both TP and Kawhi at the same time? You idiots were blaming LeBron last season as well, because Green, TP, Neal, Kawhi, Duncan, etc. were going off.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Looking at highlights of game 5, looks like Leonard scored 1 bucket on LeBron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNWXl9ZPW60

Pretty amazing that LeBron was able to put up much better stats than KD despite having the cramps, and sitting out the last 5-6 minutes of game 5

[tpols]

Terry averaged 17 points on 46/46/88 in the first 3 rounds and 19 on 52/38/75. Lets not act like he wasn't playing really well before the Finals. Same with Joe Johnson. Dude scored like 22 on ridiculous percentages against the Raps. 20 on excellent efficiency against the Heat. Dude definitely hit some ridiculously contested jumpers against the Heat in game 5. He would've hit them against any defender in the league. If you're a good shooter, you can almost always beat any good defender.

Im not saying Lebron is a terrible defender or anything.. just that people love to prop the parker/rose matchups in his favor but ignore the kawhi/terry/johnson matchups.

I wouldnt say if youre a good shooter you can beat any defender.. some defenders are better at stopping penetration and some are better at closing out. A guy like Durant can give real problems to shooters because of his length.. see 2012 Kobe.. if youre a player who isnt great at finishing/driving but can shoot, KD can use his length to stop you. Thabo's good at it to as are guys like Andre Kirilenko, battier, bruce Bowen, etc.. they know how to close out at elite levels..

Bron is a tank so you cant muscle by him but he isnt a glue 1v1 defender that has great foot skills or close out timing..

[riseagainst]

Except for the '11 series, how many good shooters have outscored LeBron? GOAT candidates are players who can drive, shoot, post-up, ect.. It's not fair to compare those kind of players to GOAT candidates scoring wise.


So, LeBron is supposed to cover both TP and Kawhi at the same time? You idiots were blaming LeBron last season as well, because Green, TP, Neal, Kawhi, Duncan, etc. were going off.

when did i make a comment about lebron guarding several players on the same team?

:confusedshrug:

[DJ Leon Smith]

Except for the '11 series, how many good shooters have outscored LeBron? GOAT candidates are players who can drive, shoot, post-up, ect.. It's not fair to compare those kind of players to GOAT candidates scoring wise.

So how come Byron Scott and Danny Ainge didn't outscore Jordan in 1991/92? Ainge is EXACTLY like Terry - veteran three point shooter off the bench. Actually, if we want to compare 1992 to Jordan/LeBron then how come Jordan wasn't outscored by Pippen, Grant, Drexler AND Ainge while losing the series?

Answer that and we can talk. Thank you and goodnight.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Im not saying Lebron is a terrible defender or anything.. just that people love to prop the parker/rose matchups in his favor but ignore the kawhi/terry/johnson matchups.

I wouldnt say if youre a good shooter you can beat any defender.. some defenders are better at stopping penetration and some are better at closing out. A guy like Durant can give real problems to shooters because of his length.. see 2012 Kobe.. if youre a player who isnt great at finishing/driving but can shoot, KD can use his length to stop you. Thabo's good at it to as are guys like Andre Kirilenko, battier, bruce Bowen, etc.. they know how to close out at elite levels..

Bron is a tank so you cant muscle by him but he isnt a glue 1v1 defender that has great foot skills or close out timing..
Show me a video of a finals game from 2014 where LeBron covered Kawhi for a significant portion of the game

[tpols]

Show me a video of a finals game from 2014 where LeBron covered Kawhi for a significant portion of the game

Are you serious? Kawhi was having his way with Lebron.. he was raining threes on him and dominating early in games while bran was busy putting up 2-3 shots while his team got blown out.

I cant believe you stans.. denying reality now. LOL

[aj1987]

Im not saying Lebron is a terrible defender or anything.. just that people love to prop the parker/rose matchups in his favor but ignore the kawhi/terry/johnson matchups.

I wouldnt say if youre a good shooter you can beat any defender.. some defenders are better at stopping penetration and some are better at closing out. A guy like Durant can give real problems to shooters because of his length.. see 2012 Kobe.. if youre a player who isnt great at finishing/driving but can shoot, KD can use his length to stop you. Thabo's good at it to as are guys like Andre Kirilenko, battier, bruce Bowen, etc.. they know how to close out at elite levels..

Bron is a tank so you cant muscle by him but he isnt a glue 1v1 defender that has great foot skills or close out timing..
LeBron WAS a terrible defender last season during the RS. He was inconsistent in '13, but was pretty good overall. He did pick up his defensive effort in the Playoffs though. You really can't help it if the guy you're guarding is making ridiculous shots (like Iso Joe in Game 5 and Kawhi in the Finals). That being said, LeBron didn't guard for entire games. He did get torched, but it wasn't like LeBron was the only one who was getting torched. Kawhi went into '13 Green mode shooting wise. He was just not missing any shots, no matter who was guarding him. I'm not saying that LeBron is the greatest defender of anything, but he definitely is elite. Just can't help it if the players you're guarding are making their jumpers.


So how come Byron Scott and Danny Ainge didn't outscore Jordan in 1991/92? Ainge is EXACTLY like Terry - veteran three point shooter off the bench. Actually, if we want to compare 1992 to Jordan/LeBron then how come Jordan wasn't outscored by Pippen, Grant, Drexler AND Ainge while losing the series?

Answer that and we can talk. Thank you and goodnight.

What the **** are you even talking about? As I said, if you're a good shooter, you can almost always score over a good defender.

Agains, outside of the '11 Finals, there were very few times when LeBron wasn't the leading scorer in a series. Even if he wasn't the leading scorer, he most certainly was the best offensive player in most of those series. Dude is among the top 5 ALL TIME in career Playoff PPG. Also, why are you comparing MJ to LeBron. MJ >> LeBron as a scorer. Are you retarded by any chance?

[DJ Leon Smith]

What the **** are you even talking about? As I said, if you're a good shooter, you can almost always score over a good defender.

Agains, outside of the '11 Finals, there were very few times when LeBron wasn't the leading scorer in a series. Even if he wasn't the leading scorer, he most certainly was the best offensive player in most of those series. Dude is among the top 5 ALL TIME in career Playoff PPG. Also, why are you comparing MJ to LeBron. MJ >> LeBron as a scorer. Are you retarded by any chance?

Name the other GOAT/top 10/HOF candidates who were outscored by a bench player in the NBA Finals (while losing the series as a favorite with HCA) and we can continue this discussion.

Thank you and have a great day! Blessings to you and yours.

[Paul George 24]

That tony allen shit is overblown. The refs were letting him literally grab KD off ball and move him around with handchecking on D, and Durant had just came off playing a TON of minutes, like 45 minutes in the final game of the year where he had to score 40+ points and hit a game winner just to beat the shitty Pistons all because Brooks had abandoned the young guys from the rotation.

Basically, as we all know, the refs call more fouls in the playoffs, but in the grizzlies series truly let shit go, and Durant had been in a shooting slump for a month or two while being overworked, and these things (along with Brooks's dumbass rotations) led to Durant having a few bad games vs an amazing defender in the playoffs.

Regardless, Allen couldn't do shit to stop KD in the elimination games of that series. 5-5 shooting for 3's from Durant in game 7 is what buried the Grizzlies.


allen won't stop ft35 :lol

[aj1987]

Name the other GOAT/top 10/HOF candidates who were outscored by a bench player in the NBA Finals (while losing the series as a favorite with HCA) and we can continue this discussion.

Thank you and have a great day! Blessings to you and yours.
Can you read? I already said that LeBron was garbage in the '11 Finals. Stop being an idiot. Also, for the 100th time, what the heck does this have to do with a good shooter scoring over a good defender?

[Paul George 24]

Looking at highlights of game 5, looks like Leonard scored 1 bucket on LeBron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNWXl9ZPW60

Pretty amazing that LeBron was able to put up much better stats than KD despite having the cramps, and sitting out the last 5-6 minutes of game 5

lebron's defence is overrated as usual :applause:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Are you serious? Kawhi was having his way with Lebron.. he was raining threes on him and dominating early in games while bran was busy putting up 2-3 shots while his team got blown out.

I cant believe you stans.. denying reality now. LOL
No he wasn't. He made a few shots over LeBron. Most of the time, Battier was on him, or even Wade. Spurs offense runs where there are a lot of switches.

The game 5 video had 1 FG that Kawhi took over LeBron.

Game 1: 1 FG against LeBron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q06DUboYwps
Game 2: 1 FG and 1 shooting foul drawn on Bron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl2c_-L9ga8
Game 3: Not sure if this has all of his FGs, but only 2 were on Bron, arguably 3 but the third one, Bosh was late for the switch from the Splitter screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJkrf54o9Fk
Game 4: 4 FG against LeBron - his best game against Bron, where he took a few jumpers in his face. the 4 FG includes the dunk offensive rebound where LeBron failed to box out, even though it's not technically "over Bron"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJwuo_b243s

I already did game 5.... He didn't take a really substantial amount of shot attempts when LeBron was covering him. He did in game 4, and that wasn't even his best game of the series offensively.

Not even trying to knock on the kid. His highlights are awesome. Great playmaking, athleticism, hunger, lots of good defensive highlights. This whole idea that he was "pouring 3's and dominating LeBron" is simply not true. Most of the time, LeBron is covering Parker or Ginobli. Looks like he covers Leonard for maybe 1/4 of his highlights. They're going to use guys like Battier to conserve LeBron's energy on offense. Wade covered Leonard a good amount too.

So no, I'm not "denying reality". You are the one who is doing that, and i just provided all the proof you need.

[russwest0]

Lmao. You are relying on youtube clips from one game. Not to discredit your point but hopefully we get someone with access to the real stats in here.

I saw the series and remember precisely what I saw and will feel confident that the stats will show that LeBron didn't do shit vs Kawhi and conversely let Kawhi go off.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lmao. You are relying on youtube clips from one game. Not to discredit your point but hopefully we get someone with access to the real stats in here.

I saw the series and remember precisely what I saw and will feel confident that the stats will show that LeBron didn't do shit vs Kawhi and conversely let Kawhi go off.
I just posted highlights from all 5 games.

I'd like to see footage of all of Kawhi's field goals, because the highlights make it look like LeBron wasn't covering him that much. I'm not sure if there were a lot of plays where LeBron was covering him, and he missed, so they didn't make the highlight reel. I don't think LeBron's defense was anything to write home about in the finals, but this idea that "Kawhi dominated LeBron" is absolutely retarded when most of his FGs weren't even with LeBron covering him.

[russwest0]

The argument for me never was about how often lebron guarded kawhi to begin with. people started bringing that up trying to change the subject as if it discredited the results that did happen whenever lebron guarded kawhi or vice versa.

The guy clearly checked out and played his patented "this loss isn't my fault" ball whenever kawhi was guarding him and the score was close. I saw it, you saw it, we all saw it. He had his sights set on Cleveland.

And to aj1987 who said some stupid shit like "He can't shoot the ball more because the Heat suck at rebounding!" well what difference does it make who misses the shots bro? Bron bitched out and looked out for himself and his stats first. Period. Kobe, Jordan, Wade, and currently Westbrook, these players all know that when your teammates aren't stepping up in the heat of a playoff game, you can't disappear. If that means you have to force some shots that would otherwise be low percentage, so be it.

But we all know that isn't LeBron's game. He's not one to drill a Kobe fade away over three defenders or hit a Wade circus shot that has everyone holding their breath. He is far more selective with his shot selection than that. And that's fine, I understand that that is just who he is as a player. He played far more like a PF last season than a true wing player. I just want people to acknowledge that and understand that that playstyle is part of the reason why the Heat got bodied as badly as they did. You can cut out the Jordan comparisons and start with someone more realistic to his playstyle like Barkley.

You guys can hate on Durant for shooting too much vs Allen and not being as efficient as he was in the regular season, but like I said before, I'll be damned if I EVER criticize a star player for trying to carry his team to the victory instead of expecting his team to carry him to the victory while subsequently wanting all of the glory....

It's clear as day while LeBron has a losing Finals record. Revert to the 2011 Finals for the biggest green light. The Heat are up like 17 points with 7 minutes to go, ready to go up 2-0 in the series and LeBron starts trying to pad his stats and literally throws the game with some of the least clutch play we've ever seen.... When all he had to do was just get out of the way and let Wade get his FMVP. (So much for those sidekick rings you LeBron stans bitch about other players having... at least they didn't choke the Finals away while being the damn sidekick)

[aj1987]

Lmao. You are relying on youtube clips from one game. Not to discredit your point but hopefully we get someone with access to the real stats in here.

I saw the series and remember precisely what I saw and will feel confident that the stats will show that LeBron didn't do shit vs Kawhi and conversely let Kawhi go off.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Come on, kid. The only think you saw was the box score.

BTW, KD (a player who you think is better than LeBron) got shit on by Kawhi.


And to aj1987 who said some stupid shit like "He can't shoot the ball more because the Heat suck at rebounding!" well what difference does it make who misses the shots bro? Bron bitched out and look out for himself and his stats first. Period.

What the **** are you talking about, you idiot? He can't chuck up shots over 2 defenders or low % contested jumpers because that would just waste possessions. Possessions which are extremely valuable for a bad rebounding team like the Heat. How hard is that to understand?

[russwest0]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Come on, kid. The only think you saw was the box score.

BTW, KD (a player who you think is better than LeBron) got shit on by Kawhi.


What the **** are you talking about, you idiot? He can't chuck up shots over 2 defenders or low % contested jumpers because that would just waste possessions. Possessions which are extremely valuable for a bad rebounding team like the Heat. How hard is that to understand?

It's not about wasting possessions jackass. No one else on Miami was doing shit, and one would assume something would have trigged for LeBron to impose his will more whenever the games were close and he had Kawhi locking him up. His options were either go down swinging or stand back and let the Spurs extend their lead.... and he went with the latter because he already had his mind set on his next superteam formation.

I've already acknowledged that LeBron isn't one to just pullup and hit a jumper in the face of 2 defenders.

It just goes on to show that he isn't really a reliable threat in the heat of battle because vs an elite team like the Spurs you only get so many open 3's, transition buckets, and open lanes to the rim. With someone as picky with their shot selection as LeBron is, you aren't going to dominate much vs an elite defense in the heat of an intense playoff game.

And that's fine. He doesn't have to. It's not easy being a Kobe, Wade, or Jordan.

[J Shuttlesworth]

The argument for me never was about how often lebron guarded kawhi to begin with. people started bringing that up trying to change the subject as if it discredited the results that did happen whenever lebron guarded kawhi or vice versa.

The guy clearly checked out and played his patented "this loss isn't my fault" ball whenever kawhi was guarding him and the score was close. I saw it, you saw it, we all saw it. He had his sights set on Cleveland.

And to aj1987 who said some stupid shit like "He can't shoot the ball more because the Heat suck at rebounding!" well what difference does it make who misses the shots bro? Bron bitched out and looked out for himself and his stats first. Period. Kobe, Jordan, Wade, and currently Westbrook, these players all know that when your teammates aren't stepping up in the heat of a playoff game, you can't disappear. If that means you have to force some shots that would otherwise be low percentage, so be it.

But we all know that isn't LeBron's game. He's not one to drill a Kobe fade away over three defenders or hit a Wade circus shot that has everyone holding their breath. He is far more selective with his shot selection than that. And that's fine, I understand. He played far mire like a PF last season. I just want people to acknowledge that and understand that that is part of the reason why the Heat got bodied as badly as they did.

You guys can hate on Durant for shooting too much vs Allen and not being as efficient as he was in the regular season, but like I said before, I'll be damned if I EVER criticize a star player for trying to carry his team to the victory instead of expecting his team to carry him to the victory while subsequently wanting all of the glory....

It's clear as day while LeBron has a losing Finals record. Revert to the 2011 Finals for the biggest green light. The Heat are up like 17 points with 7 minutes to go, ready to go up 2-0 in the series and LeBron starts trying to pad his stats and literally throws the game with some of the least clutch play we've ever seen.... When all he had to do was just get out of the way and let Wade get his FMVP. (So much for those sidekick rings you LeBron stans bitch about other players having... at least they didn't choke the Finals away while being the damn sidekick)
lol you're being delusional.

Durant's shooting almost cost the Thunder the series. Gawdbrook going god mode late in the 4th to force OT and a game typing tip-in by Perkins kept them alive.

LeBron is far from the reason the Heat lost the finals. They lost because of team defense, and the Spurs were the better team. LeBron could have shot more, but he'd have to go for 50+ points to turn those blowouts into wins. Even if he did score 50 points, the Heat's team defense wasn't stopping shit, and the Spurs were on fire making more contested shots than open ones :biggums:

Thunder had better team defense than the Heat, but the Spurs were still the better team.

Nobody's saying LeBron played a perfect series, but to try to diminish what LeBron did well and try to spin it into Durant outperforming LeBron is just a stupid agenda. At the end of the day, LeBron's stats were ridiculously good, and he was sitting on the bench when the games were out of reach, so the whole "empty stats" thing is an irrelevant argument. You could hardly notice KD was on the court when the played the Spurs, and w/ the heat, LeBron was the only guy you noticed on the floor. Giant difference.

[JT123]

No he wasn't. He made a few shots over LeBron. Most of the time, Battier was on him, or even Wade. Spurs offense runs where there are a lot of switches.

The game 5 video had 1 FG that Kawhi took over LeBron.

Game 1: 1 FG against LeBron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q06DUboYwps
Game 2: 1 FG and 1 shooting foul drawn on Bron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl2c_-L9ga8
Game 3: Not sure if this has all of his FGs, but only 2 were on Bron, arguably 3 but the third one, Bosh was late for the switch from the Splitter screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJkrf54o9Fk
Game 4: 4 FG against LeBron - his best game against Bron, where he took a few jumpers in his face. the 4 FG includes the dunk offensive rebound where LeBron failed to box out, even though it's not technically "over Bron"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJwuo_b243s

I already did game 5.... He didn't take a really substantial amount of shot attempts when LeBron was covering him. He did in game 4, and that wasn't even his best game of the series offensively.

Not even trying to knock on the kid. His highlights are awesome. Great playmaking, athleticism, hunger, lots of good defensive highlights. This whole idea that he was "pouring 3's and dominating LeBron" is simply not true. Most of the time, LeBron is covering Parker or Ginobli. Looks like he covers Leonard for maybe 1/4 of his highlights. They're going to use guys like Battier to conserve LeBron's energy on offense. Wade covered Leonard a good amount too.

So no, I'm not "denying reality". You are the one who is doing that, and i just provided all the proof you need.
:applause: Ether. Leonard only scored about 4 ppg while Lebron was guarding him.

[russwest0]

lol you're being delusional.

Durant's shooting almost cost the Thunder the series. Gawdbrook going god mode late in the 4th to force OT and a game typing tip-in by Perkins kept them alive.

LeBron is far from the reason the Heat lost the finals. They lost because of team defense, and the Spurs were the better team. LeBron could have shot more, but he'd have to go for 50+ points to turn those blowouts into wins. Even if he did score 50 points, the Heat's team defense wasn't stopping shit, and the Spurs were on fire making more contested shots than open ones :biggums:

Thunder had better team defense than the Heat, but the Spurs were still the better team.

Nobody's saying LeBron played a perfect series, but to try to diminish what LeBron did well and try to spin it into Durant outperforming LeBron is just a stupid agenda. At the end of the day, LeBron's stats were ridiculously good, and he was sitting on the bench when the games were out of reach, so the whole "empty stats" thing is an irrelevant argument. You could hardly notice KD was on the court when the played the Spurs, and w/ the heat, LeBron was the only guy you noticed on the floor. Giant difference.

You're misinterpreting everything I said and are only debating your own misinterpretations.

[JT123]

You're misinterpreting everything I said and are only debating your own misinterpretations.
Every argument you were trying to make has been thoroughly destroyed, and you are clearly shook! :oldlol:
Just take the L and stop embarrassing yourself, son.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You're misinterpreting everything I said and are only debating your own misinterpretations.
Not at all. This is the premise of your agument: "I just want people to acknowledge that and understand that that is part of the reason why the Heat got bodied as badly as they did."

Blaming LeBron for the loss against the Spurs.

Not acknowledging Wade/Bosh playing like shit.
Not acknowledging Chalmers not showing up
Not acknowledging Spoelstra getting completely outcoached.

close games didn't cost them the series at all. They won the 1 close game of the series. A blowout game isn't the result of one single player. All the other games were blowouts besides game 2, and you're trying to pin the biggest finals score disparity on one player, and not acknowledge team defense, or underwhelming performances by the role players.

[russwest0]

Every argument you were trying to make has been thoroughly destroyed, and you are clearly shook! :oldlol:
Just take the L and stop embarrassing yourself, son.

This guy literally just debated that "LeBron is far from the reason the Heat lost the Finals" and a bunch of other shit that was never said.

If thats getting "destroyed" then fukk, I just got DEMOLISHED :bowdown:

edit: and now he's ignoring where I already acknowledged that the rest of the Heat team played like shit :roll:

[aj1987]

It's not about wasting possessions jackass. No one else on Miami was doing shit, and one would assume something would have trigged for LeBron to impose his will more whenever the games were close and he had Kawhi locking him up. His options were either go down swinging or stand back and let the Spurs extend their lead.... and he went with the latter because he already had his mind set on his next superteam formation.
Dude scored 28 PPG on 68% TS. KD scored 26 PPG on 56% TS. He took 2 whole shots more than LeBron. Why didn't he take more shots? Why didn't he "go down swinging". Basketball is not all about stats, retard. Whenever LeBron got hot and he was scoring, the Spurs focused their defense on him. He tried to pass, but the rest of the team struggled and couldn't make their shots. It's really not that hard to understand if you watch the game.

Again, for the billionth time, Miami would've probably gotten swept, if LeBron chucked up inefficient shots, which wasted their possessions. You don't do that when you're losing a game. You try to save possessions when you're a bad rebounding team. Seriously, dude. It's not really that hard to understand. A 5 year old with downs would understand that basic concept.



I've already acknowledged that LeBron isn't one to just pullup and his a jumper in the face of 2 defenders.
Yeah, why would he take that? If there are 2 defenders on LeBron, that means he has an OPEN teammate. Would you make the smart play which will help you win or the take the inefficient shot over 2 defenders?


It just goes on to show that he isn't really a reliable threat in the heat of battle because vs an elite team like the Spurs you only get so many open 3's, transition buckets, and open lanes to the rim. With someone as picky with their shot selection as LeBron is, you aren't going to dominate much vs an elite defense in the heat of an intense playoff game.
2011:
76ers - 7th
Celtics - 2nd
Bulls - 1st

2012:
Knicks - 5th
Pacers - 9th
Celtics - 1st

2013:
Bulls - 6th
Pacers - 1st
Spurs - 3rd

2014:
Bobcats - 5th
Pacers - 1st

Those are the top 10 defenses that LeBron beat since he came to the Heat. 8 top 5 defenses in the 14 series they won. 11 top 10 defenses in the 14 series they won.


And that's fine. He doesn't have to. It's not easy being a Kobe, Wade, or Jordan.
True. LeBron is not a SG.

Go sit in a corner and start drooling.

[Kblaze8855]

How many times did Kawhi score on Durant or Lebron and not some fast break point or open shot from the Spurs ball movement?

You know these things arent done with truth in mind. Thats what makes it trolling.

Go to youtube...every shot he made is on there. Games 1 and 2 he had 9 points so ill disregard them. Game 3...his career high....


Drives on Wade...scores on Bosh with the and 1.

Uncontested fast break dunk...Lebron still on the other end of the court.

3 over Rashard Lewis

3 over Lebron

3 over Lebron

Lebron and Bosh switch on the pick..Leonard shoots over Bosh

Leonard hits a hook over Rashard Lewis after Lebron strips duncan in the post knocking it to him

Drives on Ray as they switch(Lebron steps out to Green) and dunks on Birdman

Leonard drives on Lewis then hits a jump hook over Bosh


Result?

Lebron gave up 29.

Now you watch game 4 he made several shots over Lebron. Most of them Lebron flat footed allowing him to shoot and being burned for it(already down 25). Do watch the clip. They are up 22 when he has the putback dunk that I think was his second field goal. He only made 7 shots...I saw 3 that were not on Lebron scanning the video(it was one of those long ones with every little play).

So he made at most....6-7 shots on Lebron in this two games? No less than 4 of them open shots Lebron either couldnt or didnt bother contesting in time because he was sagging off or stepping over the double.

The footage is easily found.

And people will still make these idiotic topics.

Its because truth isnt the point...the point...is gettign a reaction even if you have to put on clown shoes and bullshit everyone.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You know these things arent done with truth in mind. Thats what makes it trolling.

Go to youtube...every shot he made is on there. Games 1 and 2 he had 9 points so ill disregard them. Game 3...his career high....


Drives on Wade...scores on Bosh with the and 1.

Uncontested fast break dunk...Lebron still on the other end of the court.

3 over Rashard Lewis

3 over Lebron

3 over Lebron

Lebron and Bosh switch on the pick..Leonard shoots over Bosh

Leonard hits a hook over Rashard Lewis after Lebron strips duncan in the post knocking it to him

Drives on Ray as they switch(Lebron steps out to Green) and dunks on Birdman

Leonard drives on Lewis then hits a jump hook over Bosh


Result?

Lebron gave up 29.

Now you watch game 4 he made several shots over Lebron. Most of them Lebron flat footed allowing him to shoot and being burned for it(already down 25). Do watch the clip. They are up 22 when he has the putback dunk that I think was his second field goal. He only made 7 shots...I saw 3 that were not on Lebron scanning the video(it was one of those long ones with every little play).

So he made at most....6-7 shots on Lebron in this two games? No less than 4 of them open shots Lebron either couldnt or didnt bother contesting in time because he was sagging off or stepping over the double.

The footage is easily found.

And people will still make these idiotic topics.

Its because truth isnt the point...the point...is gettign a reaction even if you have to put on clown shoes and bullshit everyone.
Good post KBlaze. I covered it a bit in this post, but not in as much detail as you:


No he wasn't. He made a few shots over LeBron. Most of the time, Battier was on him, or even Wade. Spurs offense runs where there are a lot of switches.

The game 5 video had 1 FG that Kawhi took over LeBron.

Game 1: 1 FG against LeBron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q06DUboYwps
Game 2: 1 FG and 1 shooting foul drawn on Bron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl2c_-L9ga8
Game 3: Not sure if this has all of his FGs, but only 2 were on Bron, arguably 3 but the third one, Bosh was late for the switch from the Splitter screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJkrf54o9Fk
Game 4: 4 FG against LeBron - his best game against Bron, where he took a few jumpers in his face. the 4 FG includes the dunk offensive rebound where LeBron failed to box out, even though it's not technically "over Bron"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJwuo_b243s

I already did game 5.... He didn't take a really substantial amount of shot attempts when LeBron was covering him. He did in game 4, and that wasn't even his best game of the series offensively.

Not even trying to knock on the kid. His highlights are awesome. Great playmaking, athleticism, hunger, lots of good defensive highlights. This whole idea that he was "pouring 3's and dominating LeBron" is simply not true. Most of the time, LeBron is covering Parker or Ginobli. Looks like he covers Leonard for maybe 1/4 of his highlights. They're going to use guys like Battier to conserve LeBron's energy on offense. Wade covered Leonard a good amount too.

So no, I'm not "denying reality". You are the one who is doing that, and i just provided all the proof you need.

[russwest0]

Dude scored 28 PPG on 68% TS. KD scored 26 PPG on 56% TS. He took 2 whole shots more than LeBron. Why didn't he take more shots? Why didn't he "go down swinging". Basketball is not all about stats, retard. Whenever LeBron got hot and he was scoring, the Spurs focused their defense on him. He tried to pass, but the rest of the team struggled and couldn't make their shots. It's really not that hard to understand if you watch the game.

Again, for the billionth time, Miami would've probably gotten swept, if LeBron chucked up inefficient shots, which wasted their possessions. You don't do that when you're losing a game. You try to save possessions when you're a bad rebounding team. Seriously, dude. It's not really that hard to understand. A 5 year old with downs would understand that basic concept.



Yeah, why would he take that? If there are 2 defenders on LeBron, that means he has an OPEN teammate. Would you make the smart play which will help you win or the take the inefficient shot over 2 defenders?


2011:
76ers - 7th
Celtics - 2nd
Bulls - 1st

2012:
Knicks - 5th
Pacers - 9th
Celtics - 1st

2013:
Bulls - 6th
Pacers - 1st
Spurs - 3rd

2014:
Bobcats - 5th
Pacers - 1st

Those are the top 10 defenses that LeBron beat since he came to the Heat. 8 top 5 defenses in the 14 series they won. 11 top 10 defenses in the 14 series they won.


True. LeBron is not a SG.

lmao man, you'll never understand. Westbrook and Durant shoot over 2 people all the time because whichever teammate that is open is probably shit. LeBron being a top 2 player in the world taking a shot over 2 defenders IS better than some shitty teammate who hasn't been doing shit getting the ball

but you don't beat LeBron with double teams, you beat him by letting him get his and stopping everyone else (pretty much what the spurs did). but he wasn't even able to get his in most of these games until garbage time.

[SwayDizzle]

I'm sure not ALL of his points were on both of those guys, but the majority of the time they were who defended him. I watched all games of both of those series.

Even if Durant has a bad series I can come away saying that he isn't going to do this shit lol:

http://tuesdayswithhorry.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/lebronkawhi.gif
I'm sorry man, but you know what this GIF shows me?

That Lebron is a grandmaster at the game. He understood immediately what that matchup meant. And look at the result of the series. Leonard gets FMVP. A great player can feel the power levels of his competitors within seconds.

[aj1987]

lmao man, you'll never understand. Westbrook and Durant shoot over 2 people all the time because whichever teammate that is open is probably shit. LeBron being a top 2 player in the world taking a shot over 2 defenders IS better than some shitty teammate who hasn't been doing shit getting the ball

but you don't beat LeBron with double teams, you beat him by letting him get his and stopping everyone else (pretty much what the spurs did). but he wasn't even able to get his in most of these gauotetmes until garbage time.
:oldlol:

You're delusional beyond belief. I'm done with you.

BTW, how is it garbage time, when LeBron scored most of his points in the 3rd, when his team was down 10-20? God, you're an idiot.


I'm sorry man, but you know what this GIF shows me?

That Lebron is a grandmaster at the game. He understood immediately what that matchup meant. And look at the result of the series. Leonard gets FMVP. A great player can feel the power levels of his competitors within seconds.
That was from '13. The year when LeBron won the FMVP.

[russwest0]

I'm sorry man, but you know what this GIF shows me?

That Lebron is a grandmaster at the game. He understood immediately what that matchup meant. And look at the result of the series. Leonard gets FMVP. A great player can feel the power levels of his competitors within seconds.

yeah I feel you. He has a high basketball IQ and shit but If I was a LeBron fan I'd definitely want him to play more instinctively and attack as soon as he gets the ball rather than stand and hold it like Harden

[KirbyPls]

I'm sorry man, but you know what this GIF shows me?

That Lebron is a grandmaster at the game. He understood immediately what that matchup meant. And look at the result of the series. Leonard gets FMVP. A great player can feel the power levels of his competitors within seconds.

Perhaps, if that GIF wasn't from the 2013 Finals.

[SwayDizzle]

yeah I feel you. He has a high basketball IQ and shit but If I was a LeBron fan I'd definitely want him to play more instinctively and attack as soon as he gets the ball rather than stand and hold it like Harden
same here man. if Lebron was more aggressive, I'd be a big fan. seen a couple games where he goes into beast mode and he becomes the most entertaining player to watch. it usually took someone like Paul Pierce/KG to kick his ass into aggro mode.

[SwayDizzle]

Perhaps, if that GIF wasn't from the 2013 Finals.
even greater foreshadowing?

[KirbyPls]

even greater foreshadowing?

:lol

[riseagainst]

even greater foreshadowing?

:roll:

[JT123]

I don't trust that gif anyway. How do we know it wasn't edited by some Lebron hater? Lebron could have been upset because one of his teammates who was playing well had checked out. :confusedshrug:

[russwest0]

I don't trust that gif anyway. How do we know it wasn't edited by some Lebron hater? Lebron could have been upset because one of his teammates who was playing well had checked out. :confusedshrug:

I saw it live man. It looks crazy considering Kawhi's role player status that year (now he's definitely a budding star at worst) and LeBron's best player on the planet status that year, but it happened :lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Honestly he was probably just upset that they were subbing which broke his free throw rhythm

[TheMarkMadsen]

Honestly he was probably just upset that they were subbing which broke his free throw rhythm

Honestly he was probably just upset about all the starving kids in Africa, Lebron has never shown any fear on the court.

[pauk]

Perhaps OKC (with Ibaka) defended him better than Miami?
Perhaps Kawhi randomly averages 1-6 more/less ppg or shoots better/worse during a stretch of 4-7 games like anybody else in NBA history?

What are you trying to say? That Durant is a better defender?

[russwest0]

Perhaps OKC (with Ibaka) defended him better than Miami?
Perhaps Kawhi randomly averages 1-6 more/less ppg or shoots better/worse during a stretch of 4-7 games like anybody else in NBA history?

What are you trying to say? That Durant is a better defender?

Durant was a better defender than LeBron last season, no doubt.

LeBron will have a chance to reverse that trend for next season though.

[Bigsmoke]

yeah. Cus Kobe is supposed to guard 2 players at once.

:rolleyes:

Whoever Kobe defended didn't effect their performance

Ray Allen played like shit in that whole 2008 playoffs and just went crazy against the Lakers:cheers:

[DatAsh]

Durant was a better defender than LeBron last season, no doubt.

LeBron will have a chance to reverse that trend for next season though.

I don't know about the whole season, but I saw Durant as the better defender of the two series in question. The Heat as a team fell apart defensively in that series.

[JohnFreeman]

Perhaps, if that GIF wasn't from the 2013 Finals.
:lol

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Durant was a better defender than LeBron last season, no doubt.

LeBron will have a chance to reverse that trend for next season though.
A trend is something that repeatedly happens. If it is a one off it is not a trend.

As per usual you have made a fool of yourself.