Is Shaq a journeyman?

[9erempiree]

http://according2sources.com/HOME/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Shaq.jpg

Argument:

A journeyman is a player that plays for multiple teams in his career. It does not state whether the player is considered an all time great or not. Therefore, regardless of what Shaq has done. In my humble fact, he is considered a journeyman.

Conclusion:

I do think he is an all time great but in my eyes he will be known as a journeyman more so than what he has accomplished in his career. He is the most accomplished journeyman.




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[Mr Exlax]

I think if a team retires his jersey, he can't be considered a journeyman. Journeymen never stay in one place long enough to leave a footprint. He'll just be a player who played for a couple different teams and won with a couple different teams.

[9erempiree]

I think if a team retires his jersey, he can't be considered a journeyman. Journeymen never stay in one place long enough to leave a footprint. He'll just be a player who played for a couple different teams and won with a couple different teams.

It doesn't say if a player leaves his footprint on a team would disqualify him from being a journeyman.

One can argue Shaq was a ring chaser too. That would make a better argument since every team he went to was a contender at the time.

[TheReal Kendall]

Most people will remember him for his LA and Orlando days but yes he is a journeyman.

Not sure why you created this thread since you already know the answer to your question.

You're smarter than that 9er. Stop trying to ruffle feathers

[Mr Exlax]

It doesn't say if a player leaves his footprint on a team would disqualify him from being a journeyman.

One can argue Shaq was a ring chaser too. That would make a better argument since every team he went to was a contender at the time.

It doesn't have to say it. It's common knowledge. Any journeyman in history didn't do anything incredible. Definitely not a journeyman in the NBA. Journeymen get cut or traded and barely make the rosters. Shaq is a 4 time champ and a 3 time FMVP. He left a footprint.

Every player in the NBA is a ring chaser. That's the point of playing.

[sick_brah07]

It doesn't say if a player leaves his footprint on a team would disqualify him from being a journeyman.

One can argue Shaq was a ring chaser too. That would make a better argument since every team he went to was a contender at the time.



well then what does it say bro ?

[TheReal Kendall]

It doesn't have to say it. It's common knowledge. Any journeyman in history didn't do anything incredible. Definitely not a journeyman in the NBA. Journeymen get cut or traded and barely make the rosters. Shaq is a 4 time champ and a 3 time FMVP. He left a footprint.

Every player in the NBA is a ring chaser. That's the point of playing.

I feel like a journeyman is someone who played for more than 3 or 4 teams regardless if he left a print or had his jersey retired.

[dannywpt]

Only fat Shaq is a journeyman

[bdreason]

He won 3 rings for the Lakers. He'll be remembered as a Laker.

[ballinhun8]

He turned the Orlando franchise around.


He was awarded the biggest FA contract at the time when he hit free agency.

He won titles for two franchises as the man. Yea I said it. Wade didn't win those ships as the man.

Those aren't characteristics of a journeyman.

[SouBeachTalents]

He turned the Orlando franchise around.


He was awarded the biggest FA contract at the time when he hit free agency.

He won titles for two franchises as the man. Yea I said it. Wade didn't win those ships as the man.

Those aren't characteristics of a journeyman.

False

[navy]

He turned the Orlando franchise around.


He was awarded the biggest FA contract at the time when he hit free agency.

He won titles for two franchises as the man. Yea I said it. Wade didn't win those ships as the man.

Those aren't characteristics of a journeyman.
:biggums:

[navy]

Why does it matter if Shaq is a journeyman?

[sportjames23]

http://according2sources.com/HOME/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Shaq.jpg

Argument:

A journeyman is a player that plays for multiple teams in his career. It does not state whether the player is considered an all time great or not. Therefore, regardless of what Shaq has done. In my humble fact, he is considered a journeyman.

Conclusion:

I do think he is an all time great but in my eyes he will be known as a journeyman more so than what he has accomplished in his career. He is the most accomplished journeyman.




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[ballinhun8]

False


Its not false. He was still dominant with Miami in 06. Honestly I can not stand here and say (type) that wade won that title as the man. With the amount of "help" he got in the playoffs, it is just wrong to say he won it as the man.

[Killbot]

Why is there Shaq on Los Suns and Shaq on Pheonix when they are the same team?

[gts]

If I was to write an article on Shaq's career I'd probably use a line like former allstar center turned journeyman to describe him

[fpliii]

If I was to write an article on Shaq's career I'd probably use a line like former allstar center turned journeyman to describe him
:(

Brutal, but very true.

[GimmeThat]

well he stuck with the league that changed the rule because of him

[navy]

Its not false. He was still dominant with Miami in 06. Honestly I can not stand here and say (type) that wade won that title as the man. With the amount of "help" he got in the playoffs, it is just wrong to say he won it as the man.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z0dXIs-OaCE/U81YF2lhFfI/AAAAAAAADZU/6EqjV4I_caU/s1600/2.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cgU2vPxzFl8/U81YF48xM5I/AAAAAAAADZY/0tzAPf4i4ZU/s1600/1.jpg


Shaq doe. :facepalm

[ballinhun8]

Points and assists? Is that the only stats you have to show??


And I said for 06. They were pretty even. I'm sure if you had included rebounding it would have been closer.

I don't remember that discrepancy in the finals scoring department though. You have me there. Then again, the reason I said he wasn't the man was cuz of the atrocious refereeing we saw in that finals. I almost don't even want to include it in the discussion because I feel its a black eye for the league.

[SouBeachTalents]

Points and assists? Is that the only stats you have to show??


And I said for 06. They were pretty even. I'm sure if you had included rebounding it would have been closer.

I don't remember that discrepancy in the finals scoring department though. You have me there. Then again, the reason I said he wasn't the man was cuz of the atrocious refereeing we saw in that finals. I almost don't even want to include it in the discussion because I feel its a black eye for the league.

2005 Playoffs
Wade: 27, 6, 7 on 48%
Shaq: 19 & 8 on 56%

2006 Playoffs
Wade: 28, 6, 6 on 50%
Shaq: 18 & 10 on 61%

[GimmeThat]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z0dXIs-OaCE/U81YF2lhFfI/AAAAAAAADZU/6EqjV4I_caU/s1600/2.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cgU2vPxzFl8/U81YF48xM5I/AAAAAAAADZY/0tzAPf4i4ZU/s1600/1.jpg


Shaq doe. :facepalm


Michael Phelps might not be the guy to help you win a relay one day.

but hey.

[Akrazotile]

Kobe is behind a journeyman in the all-time rankings :facepalm

[kenuffff]

a journeyman is a role player that goes around to other teams. this is like the 3rd dumbest thread going on here right now, they all seem to involve shaq somehow.

[navy]

Points and assists? Is that the only stats you have to show??


And I said for 06. They were pretty even. I'm sure if you had included rebounding it would have been closer.

I don't remember that discrepancy in the finals scoring department though. You have me there. Then again, the reason I said he wasn't the man was cuz of the atrocious refereeing we saw in that finals. I almost don't even want to include it in the discussion because I feel its a black eye for the league.
Pretty sure Wade rebounded better than he assisted actually. I didnt post thm because the image didnt include them.

[HOoopCityJones]

Shaq will always be a Laker to me.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

He''ll get retired at LA and Miami. His biggest notable achievement is winning 3 titles with the Lakers and that's the first thing that will come up anybody's mind in the future.
After LA and Miami, yes, I see him as a journeyman.

[shadow]

i forgot he even played for the cavs and celtics. It's like a bad memory. He's going to be remembered as a Laker great. His best years were there.

[GrapeApe]

If you disregard the connotation associated with the word, then yeah I guess you could call him a journeyman. It's not like anyone will ever consider him to be one though. Like I said, it carries a certain connotation that clearly doesn't apply to Shaq.

[russwest0]

Yes, in every sense of the word.

[iamgine]

Argument:

A journeyman is a player that plays for multiple teams in his career. It does not state whether the player is considered an all time great or not. Therefore, regardless of what Shaq has done. In my humble fact, he is considered a journeyman.

Conclusion:

I do think he is an all time great but in my eyes he will be known as a journeyman more so than what he has accomplished in his career. He is the most accomplished journeyman.
Ah at least this is a non trolling thread.

You are correct. He's a journeyman at the later part of his career. He was not a journeymen with Orlando, LA and arguably Miami. With them, he's a franchise player.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Is op forever hating on Shaq because he was #1 while Kobe was #2?

[Burgz V2]

learn how to use a dictionary

[scandisk_]

Perhaps later in his career where he wasn't that focused anymore.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

He barely played for Boston and Cleveland. If you consider him a journeyman then you have to consider someone like Ray Allen a journeyman. He'll, even KG and Pierce, the epitome of loyalty, have played for 3 teams each now. Wasn't Shaq traded twice as well? He only made 1 significant FA move.

You could call him a journeyman I guess, but that would mean a hell if a lot more players are journeymen too

[iamgine]

He barely played for Boston and Cleveland. If you consider him a journeyman then you have to consider someone like Ray Allen a journeyman. He'll, even KG and Pierce, the epitome of loyalty, have played for 3 teams each now. Wasn't Shaq traded twice as well? He only made 1 significant FA move.

You could call him a journeyman I guess, but that would mean a hell if a lot more players are journeymen too

"Journeymen players are usually distinguished from an elite or "star" player."


Therefore, no, none of those players have earned the title journeyman because their time as star player doesn't count.

[sportjames23]

Is op forever hating on Shaq because he was #1 while Kobe was #2?


I'll take "No doubt about it" for $500, Alex.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

"Journeymen players are usually distinguished from an elite or "star" player."


Therefore, no, none of those players have earned the title journeyman because their time as star player doesn't count.

So Shaq's a journeyman for being traded to Phoenix (arguably still a star), then taking 2 free agent contracts when he probably should have been retired?

[Richesly]

He's a journeyman.

It doesn't take from his legacy though.

[iamgine]

So Shaq's a journeyman for being traded to Phoenix (arguably still a star), then taking 2 free agent contracts when he probably should have been retired?
Yes, you could say the later part of his career he's a journeyman. It's also fine if you don't.