Was charles barkley better than kobe

[rlsmooth775]

This was inspired by two posters in my "would kobe be top ten without shaq" thread. Obviously kobe had much better career in his era but put barkley in his prime in the same era as kobe who would be thought of as a better player

[JT123]

I think a legit case can be made. Prime Barkley and Prime Shaq win at least 4 rings together.

[miles berg]

Barkley. He had to play in the Golden Era of 1980-1993. The majority of his prime came in that time period.

He was amazing.

[Cold soul]

Kobe peak was much better than Barkley and legacy wise it's superior overall.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Kobe peak was much better than Barkley and legacy wise it's superior overall.
I really don't think Kobe would have a case for outperforming MJ on the dream team or in the 93 regular season, prime or not.

[jongib369]

I really don't think Kobe would have a case for outperforming MJ on the dream team or in the 93 regular season, prime or not.
Jordan wouldn't have allowed Kobe on that team

[GrapeApe]

Kobe peak was much better than Barkley and legacy wise it's superior overall.

Peak Barkley put up 28/12 on 59%FG and 67%TS.

[oarabbus]

Barkley's peak was definitely on that Kobe level. I'm inclined to say Kobe is better due to careers.

[Reggie43]

Yes, especially in todays nba.

[Cold soul]

Peak Barkley put up 28/12 on 59%FG and 67%TS.

Yes, Barkley peak was great for sure it's just that Kobe was better.

[bdreason]

Gimme peak Barkley over peak Kobe. Peak isn't everything though.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

LOL @ nikkas takin peak Chuck over peak Kobe

Offensively? Theres an argument and id prolly even take Chuck. Offense was never ever the problem with Chuck...............
defensively? Give me one of the best defensive guards to ever play over one of the worst defensive players in NBA history.

Chucks defense has ALWAYS been a big negative and a reason why he could never win it all as the best player (even when his supporting cast in 93 was at least as good as MJs)

[rlsmooth775]

LOL @ nikkas takin peak Chuck over peak Kobe

Offensively? Theres an argument and id prolly even take Chuck. Offense was never ever the problem with Chuck...............
defensively? Give me one of the best defensive guards to ever play over one of the worst defensive players in NBA history.

Chucks defense has ALWAYS been a big negative and a reason why he could never win it all as the best player (even when his supporting cast in 93 was at least as good as MJs)

Lol at kobe being one of the best defensive guards

[JohnnySic]

Barkely top 20-25 all time
Kobe top 10-15 all time

[rlsmooth775]

Barkely top 20-25 all time
Kobe top 10-15 all time

The thread is about if they played in the same time obviously kobe had a better career

[jayfan]

Barkley's peak - Dream Team mvp.

[GODbe]

Sure.

0 > 5 :facepalm

[Prometheus]

No.

[StephHamann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfd_YDELLOM

case closed

[rlsmooth775]

Sure.

0 > 5 :facepalm
You missed the point of the thread

[GODbe]

It's a troll thread anyway. Reported.

[ArbitraryWater]

LOL we have IDIOTS saying peak Kobe was better than peak Chuck :facepalm

Peak Chuck was a fuggin monster... Unguardable on offense (REALLY, unguardable... Shot near 60%!!)

Could shoot, post up, halfcourt, run the break, rebounding, creating, handles..

He was possibly the most talented power forward of all time and fighting with Hakeem as the second best player of the Jordan era.

The ignorance by this "cold soul" dummie :hammerhead:

His peak value I feel is in the top ten along with MJ, Shaq, LeBron, Kareem, Wilt, Big O, West, Magic, and Bird.

[Prometheus]

LOL we have IDIOTS saying peak Kobe was better than peak Chuck :facepalm

Peak Chuck was a fuggin monster... Unguardable on offense (REALLY, unguardable... Shot near 60%!!)

Could shoot, post up, halfcourt, run the break, rebounding, creating, handles..

He was possibly the most talented power forward of all time and fighting with Hakeem as the second best player of the Jordan era.

The ignorance by this "cold soul" dummie :hammerhead:

His peak value I feel is in the top ten along with MJ, Shaq, LeBron, Kareem, Wilt, Big O, West, Magic, and Bird.

He played horrible defense and did not have a championship mentality. That stuff MATTERS bro.

[GODbe]

LOL we have IDIOTS saying peak Kobe was better than peak Chuck :facepalm

Peak Chuck was a fuggin monster... Unguardable on offense (REALLY, unguardable... Shot near 60%!!)

Could shoot, post up, halfcourt, run the break, rebounding, creating, handles..

He was possibly the most talented power forward of all time and fighting with Hakeem as the second best player of the Jordan era.

The ignorance by this "cold soul" dummie :hammerhead:

His peak value I feel is in the top ten along with MJ, Shaq, LeBron, Kareem, Wilt, Big O, West, Magic, and Bird.
And yet, 0.

5 > 0.

81 >>>>> whatever his career high is.

[Bigsmoke]

I'm not a fan of Kobe by any means but he is a lot better:oldlol:

U can argue about Kobe having Shaq but what about Moses Malone, Dr. j, Mo Cheeks, KJ, Hakeem, drexler, and Pippen?

Barkley had his chance to win in 94 and 95. His team was up 2-0 in the series which they lost

[stalkerforlife]

Barkley better than Kobe? :roll:

I'm not one for banning ANYONE, but wasn't there just a big thread about banning trolls?

:roll:

[elementally morale]

Peak Barkley was no worse than peak Kobe, but Barkley's prime didn't last nearly as long. So prime for prime it's Kobe, peak for peak it's arguable and careerwise it's Kobe and not close.

[HOoopCityJones]

So I guess it's time for me to make a was Karl Malone better than Lebron thread.

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[scm5]

Barkley's 28ppg came in the 87-88' season. League ppg that season was 108.2

Kobe's 35ppg season came in 05-06'. League ppg was 97.0

In terms of impact on scoring, had Kobe's 35 ppg season been played in 87-88', Kobe would have accounted for 39ppg. In terms of impact, had Barkley's 28ppg season been in 05-06', he would have only had to score 25ppg.

On top of this, Kobe's defense is much better than Barkley's. I'm not even talking about the overrated All-NBA 1st Team selections. Kobe's defense even while resting/sagging off his guy is better than Barkley's.

[Prometheus]

Okay, so then it's settled. Kobe > Charles (not close).

Next.

[elementally morale]

Barkley. He had to play in the Golden Era of 1980-1993.

He was amazing.


Correction. YOUR golden era, when you were a teen, just like the majority of posters here is, now. It was amazing. It must have been.

[GrapeApe]

Barkley's 28ppg came in the 87-88' season. League ppg that season was 108.2

Kobe's 35ppg season came in 05-06'. League ppg was 97.0

In terms of impact on scoring, had Kobe's 35 ppg season been played in 87-88', Kobe would have accounted for 39ppg. In terms of impact, had Barkley's 28ppg season been in 05-06', he would have only had to score 25ppg.

Why are you bringing up pace? It's not Barkley's raw totals that are so impressive, it's the combination of his scoring output and absurd efficiency.

Barkley 28ppg on 16fgs
Kobe 35ppg on 27fgs

[tpols]

Why are you bringing up pace? It's not Barkley's raw totals that are so impressive, it's the combination of his scoring output and absurd efficiency.

Barkley 28ppg on 16fgs
Kobe 35ppg on 27fgs

His shortened prime, lack of intangibles, and poor attitude/work ethic/leadership kinda cancel it all out in this debate though.. since Kobe was either good or great at all those things.. theres a reason he played on a couple stacked teams and has 0 rings to show for it.. guy was a complete loser.

[Mr. Jabbar]

no. barkley was a choker, a la lebron

[DatAsh]

Barkley's 28ppg came in the 87-88' season. League ppg that season was 108.2

Kobe's 35ppg season came in 05-06'. League ppg was 97.0

In terms of impact on scoring, had Kobe's 35 ppg season been played in 87-88', Kobe would have accounted for 39ppg. In terms of impact, had Barkley's 28ppg season been in 05-06', he would have only had to score 25ppg.

On top of this, Kobe's defense is much better than Barkley's. I'm not even talking about the overrated All-NBA 1st Team selections. Kobe's defense even while resting/sagging off his guy is better than Barkley's.


Ehh I don't really think pace comes into play here. Barkley was only taking 16 shots a game, and someone of his skill would probably still be taking that many shots in 06'. Likewise, I don't think Kobe's gonna be taking much more than 27 shots a game in any post 70's era. Pace matters more for the role players than it does the stars imo.

Peak for peak, Kobe and Barkley are close, I'd still take Kobe though for his defense, intangibles, and ability to run an offense.

[HOoopCityJones]

Why do people always give big men credit for being closer to the basket? Where they're supposed to be. Who cares if he only needed 16 shots to average those points.

[Cold soul]

LOL we have IDIOTS saying peak Kobe was better than peak Chuck :facepalm

Peak Chuck was a fuggin monster... Unguardable on offense (REALLY, unguardable... Shot near 60%!!)

Could shoot, post up, halfcourt, run the break, rebounding, creating, handles..

He was possibly the most talented power forward of all time and fighting with Hakeem as the second best player of the Jordan era.

The ignorance by this "cold soul" dummie :hammerhead:

His peak value I feel is in the top ten along with MJ, Shaq, LeBron, Kareem, Wilt, Big O, West, Magic, and Bird.

Kobe was better than Barkley in many areas: leadership, work ethic, offensively, defense, and certain intangibles Barkley surely lacked. Barkley wasn't too far off from Kobe offensively but on the other side of the court Kobe was the superior player. Kobe was a great defender in his younger days during the three peat era he played lock down defense on the opponents best guard took them out of their game. Yes, those all-NBA first team defense were warranted and deserved compared to his later years after 2009 Kobe defense started to decline for example 2011 especially getting the nod over Tony Allen that's a joke. Barkley had several opportunities to be a champion but failed time and time again to get the job done NBA Finals/playoffs and lack of teammates around him weren't the problem. Heck even MJ called out Barkley for not taking the game seriously enough and questioned his leadership skills.

[PHILA]

rebounding
http://i.imgur.com/FtUYY5T.jpg


Outrageous - Charles Barkley (1991)

[I]The Round Mound of Rebound is a proud name, and I've always had the greatest pride in my ability to rebound. Anybody can learn to shoot if they learn the right techniques: eye, arm, legs, and follow through. And anybody can learn to play defense if they're willing to sweat. But rebounding is a gift from God. Nothing in the game gives me as much of a rush as the feeling I get when I grab an offensive rebound over two or three guys in the final three minutes of a game; it not only allows my team to get two chances to score to every one for our opponent, but it also pisses off the other coach and completely demoralizes the other team. I'm talking major orgasm. It's also something nobody really wants to do. Not at any price, especially when the price is an elbow in the face.

In high school, after I had established myself as a rebounder, crowds started cheering my rebounds louder than they cheered when we scored. That's when I began to feel the rush, which made me want to grab every rebound I could

[Xiao Yao You]

I'd take Charles.