Its time to acknowledge Kevin Durant would be Alex English w/o Russell Westbrook

[PleezeBelieve]

There have been many great scorers in the history of this league that were not top true elite talents. Kevin Durant is that.

Yea, I've been sitting on this thread for while but I think now is the time to make the obvious known -- Kevin Durant is great but not truly elite.

If you doubt what I say, imagine a Russell Westbrook on those Alex English led Denver teams and tell me they don't have the same amount of success OKC has had, or better yet, hasn't had (non serious threats for the ring).

[SouBeachTalents]

Someone's worried Durant's gonna change LeBron's record to 2/6

[Fudge]

But he was an MVP without Westbrook...

This is awkward.

[PleezeBelieve]

Go check English stats and Denver's record back then. They were a good team who were not serious threats to win a ring. And English was a great player, but outside the upper echelon of NBA players, exactly where Durant should be.

[La Frescobaldi]

Guess I wasn't clear on earlier post. Naturally elite scorers can win a lot of games. The point is, they don't / can't win championships - precisely because they focus too much on scoring. The rest of their game suffers, and it costs them over a series.
Durant is no different from Dantley, King, McAdoo or countless others - Gervin, Erving, D Thompson, Anthony, Iverson etc. They can score like a buzzsaw but that only wins games, it doesn't win series.
The entire team has to be involved at all times during the NBA playoffs and volume scorers don't operate that way.

I'm not bashing KD. He can pour it in like Bob McAdoo in a frenzy and that's the very highest levels of pure scoring I've ever seen. But that's just how it rolls in the League, and it's been that same way all the 45 years I've been watchin hoops.
Jabbar knew this fact right down to the ground, from day 1. Chamberlain and Jordan had to learn it the hard way.....

from old thread covering same ground.

[ArbitraryWater]

from old thread covering same ground.

But Durant has made the WCF every year since 2011 except once when he played without Westbrook

[red1]

terrible thread from a terrible poster

[moe94]

I honestly wish nothing but the worst for you.

[JellyBean]

There have been many great scorers in the history of this league that were not top true elite talents. Kevin Durant is that.

Yea, I've been sitting on this thread for while but I think now is the time to make the obvious known -- Kevin Durant is great but not truly elite.

If you doubt what I say, imagine a Russell Westbrook on those Alex English led Denver teams and tell me they don't have the same amount of success OKC has had, or better yet, hasn't had (non serious threats for the ring).

This brother speaks the truth!! Kevin Durant is great but I just see George Gervin or an Alex English.... 2.0.

[Budadiiii]

I honestly wish nothing but the worst for you.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[rule1223]

so would jordan without scottie pippen and lebron would be poor mans karl malone without wade and bosh, the only person who has shown he can be successful on completely different teams is kobe

[bizil]

For starters, peak Alex English was getting 28 points, 8 boards, and 5 dimes a night! THOSE ARE SUPERSTAR NUMBERS! English was EASILY an ELITE superstar player! The thing is that Magic, Bird, and MJ were better because they were alpha dogs who were ALSO great all around players. U can't top those type of guys. But THAT DOESN'T mean Durant or English for that matter aren't superstar players. Especially Durant who TOTALLY redefined the SF position and is among the greatest shooters of all time. And he also has a very good all around game too.

Guys like Gervin, English, Dantley, Dr. J, Nique, Bernard King, Melo, and Durant are simply TOO DOMINANT of alpha dogs to be shitted like they do. They may not be great all around players to go with the alpha dog shit they do. But many of them are still good-very good all around players. And if they are among the BEST of all time at the most premium asset in bball (alpha dog scoring), that has to be respected. We know they aren't Magic, MJ, Bird, Kobe, or Big O in terms of perimeter players. But besides those kind of players, they don't take a backseat to ANYBODY on the perimeter!

[LongLiveTheKing]

Without Westbrook KD lost to memphis and this past year they won with Westbrook.
Westbrook also had any better game in the Finals than KD did. Westbrook is the leader for the Thunder.

[dannywpt]

Never go full retard

[DatAsh]

Considering Durant's age, he could end up going down as the greatest scorer ever.

[Lebronxrings]

comparably, yes he can be like Alex English. The only difference was english played in a no defense era.

[La Frescobaldi]

But Durant has made the WCF every year since 2011 except once when he played without Westbrook

That Thunder team is a fine roster.

[PleezeBelieve]

from old thread covering same ground.
:applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

Thread title almost rivals Kiddlovesnets logic of Durant

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219861
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263044
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299103
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332809

[Marchesk]

Considering Durant's age, he could end up going down as the greatest scorer ever.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/2012/history/features/02/06/season-of-giants-wilt-celebrity/jordan-wilt.jpg

http://www.westcoastradio.org/kobe.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/kareem-abdul-jabbar/abdul-jabbar-608.jpg

[avonbarksdale]

guy just averaged 32/7.5/5.5 on like 50/39/87

quit trolling

[T_L_P]

Thunder were better without Westbrook imo.

They really need to trade him. Give Westbrook his own team and find actual complimentary pieces for Durant.

[NumberSix]

Thunder were better without Westbrook imo.

They really need to trade him. Give Westbrook his own team and find actual complimentary pieces for Durant.
Or, trade Durant so Westbrook doesn't have to carry so much dead weight come playoff time.

[Cold soul]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/2012/history/features/02/06/season-of-giants-wilt-celebrity/jordan-wilt.jpg

http://www.westcoastradio.org/kobe.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/kareem-abdul-jabbar/abdul-jabbar-608.jpg

This. /End thread. All four are greater offensively and the better scorers without a doubt. No offense to Durant who's a great talent himself he just isn't on that level.

[gts]

PB acting like comparing a player to Alex English is an insult...

[stalkerforlife]

But he was an MVP without Westbrook...

This is awkward.

:roll:

/thread

[Lebronxrings]

:roll:

/thread
no, not /thread. Regular season accolades don't speak Alltime great language.

[JtotheIzzo]

He's no Dion Waiters...

[knicksman]

How to identify if youre stupid? If you root for overrated players. You know players who have more MVPs than rings. And worse is that those rings are not even legit. LOL

[JohnFreeman]

I hate Durant more then anyone, but come on OP.

[knicksman]

comparing durant to lebron is like comparing jordan against bird. Dumbasses aka bran stans think its close but results speak otherwise.

[Budadiiii]

comparing durant is like comparing jordan against bird. Dumbasses aka bran stans think its close but results speak otherwise.
:biggums:

Durant is better than Jordan ever was

[knicksman]

:biggums:

Durant is better than Jordan ever was

it should be comparing durant to lebron

[LongLiveTheKing]

KD without Westbrook=Loses to the Grizzlies
KD with Westbrook=Beats the Grizzlies and goes to the WCF 3 times and the Finals once.

Westbrook had a better Finals performance than KD had in the series.

[Lebronxrings]

KD without Westbrook=Loses to the Grizzlies
KD with Westbrook=Beats the Grizzlies and goes to the WCF 3 times and the Finals once.

Westbrook had a better Finals performance than KD had in the series.
yea this basically

[Budadiiii]

well I guess it should be durant vs bird to jordan vs bran
Maybe.

And just to make sure we are clear, I'd take this version of Durant over any version of MJ because taller players have more impact. Not saying Durant is gonna have a better career

But Bird > LeBron peak wise and career wise

[chazzy]

KD without Westbrook had one of the greatest scoring stretches in a while..

[Budadiiii]

KD without Westbrook had one of the greatest scoring stretches in a while..
Don't bring facts into this

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So KD without Westbrook is one of the greatest scorers in history? Okay.

I'm skimming thru the front page and practically every thread is shit. Nice.

[Budadiiii]

So KD without Westbrook is one of the greatest scorers in history? Okay.

I'm skimming thru the front page and practically every thread is shit. Nice.
KD with or without WB is one of the greatest scorers in history and pretty much any paid basketball analyst and NBA player, current or retired, would say the same..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

KD with or without WB is one of the greatest scorers in history and pretty much any paid basketball analyst and NBA player, current or retired, would say the same..
Word

[Lebronxrings]

KD with or without WB is one of the greatest scorers in history and pretty much any paid basketball analyst and NBA player, current or retired, would say the same..
come on...

[Milbuck]

Let's see here.. When Westbrook was out this season, Durant put up 35/8/6/2/1 on 65% TS, with a 20-7 record in that span. 3 months of 35/7/6/1/1 on 66% TS. Those are god-tier stats on a team winning at a 61-win pace without its 2nd best player.

Seems like a glorified Nic Batum to me.

[navy]

Let's see here.. When Westbrook was out this season, Durant put up 35/8/6/2/1 on 65% TS, with a 20-7 record in that span. 3 months of 35/7/6/1/1 on 66% TS. Those are god-tier stats on a team winning at a 61-win pace without its 2nd best player.

Seems like a glorified Nic Batum to me.
:biggums:

Now that's just disrespectful.

http://scores.espn.go.com/fiba/boxscore?gameId=400584538

[Marchesk]

Durant is better than Jordan ever was

Ban worthy statement