The Kurds are the answer to the Middle East

[Nick Young]

If USA is smart, it should do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IT CAN to get these guys an independent nation FINALLY and arm the shit out of them, until every single Kurdish soldier is a freaking terminator.

These guys have always been loyal to the US despite us screwing them over time after time, providing us with reliable intel, and their troops are reliable as well, and seasoned and experienced in counter terrorism operations.

They have a long history of being democratic, peaceful and tolerant of all religions. Even now, all of Iraq's Christians fleeing persecution from ISIS are being welcomed with open arms in to Kurdistan as refuges and supplied with food and aid.

These people are the only semi-moderate, non-crazies in the Middle East.

ON TOP OF THAT, they are out for revenge, after all the shit they have taken over the years.

ON TOP OF THAT, these people absolutely love America!

ARM THE SHIT OUT OF THE KURDS, even more then we are. Get these guys an independent nation. Their time is now! We have to stop screwing these guys over, and actually help them out after their long years of loyal service! After they help us take out ISIS, we should help them create Kurdistan.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nR0W1Q_NCUM/U-xwn5fssuI/AAAAAAAADhY/9HUCNA3W6CY/s1600/amerikankurd.jpg

[rezznor]

the Kurds remind me of the Hmong during the vietnam war. I hope the US doesn't hang them out to dry again.

[Nick Young]

the Kurds remind me of the Hmong during the vietnam war. I hope the US doesn't hang them out to dry again.
We already hanged them out to dry like a million times, Clinton was the latest to phuck them, pulling out of a joint operation last minute, leaving the Kurds to get MASSACRED, and still they remain loyal and reliable allies. If Obama does one thing right, it will be sorting out Kurdistan. They deserve a nation and have for a long long time.

[rezznor]

We already hanged them out to dry like a million times, Clinton was the latest to phuck them, pulling out of a joint operation last minute, leaving the Kurds to get MASSACRED, and still they remain loyal and reliable allies. If Obama does one thing right, it will be sorting out Kurdistan. They deserve a nation and have for a long long time.
i agree.


yeah i know we have left them hanging before, hopefully not again. they seem to be the most decent faction in that whole region.

[IamRAMBO24]

These guys have always been loyal to the US despite us screwing them over time after time



:facepalm

[poido123]

Great thread post OP :applause:

Don't always agree with your Laker/Nick Young obsession posts, but you are almost always dead on with the ISIS crisis...

Good job, good effort.

[RidonKs]

:facepalm
good headsmack


poido you really need to check your sources if you're on board with what nick young has been posting regarding the iraqi/syrian ongoing crisis.

to rezznor who thought peshmerga was reminicent of the hmong. let me offer up another comparison: israel

[tomtucker]

The Kurds are the answer to the Middle East...........damm, i belived the answer were a couple (5 to 10) of well placed nukes :confusedshrug: .......seems a lot easier :pimp: :applause: ..................

[JtotheIzzo]

If USA is smart, it should do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IT CAN to get these guys an independent nation FINALLY and arm the shit out of them, until every single Kurdish soldier is a freaking terminator.

These guys have always been loyal to the US despite us screwing them over time after time, providing us with reliable intel, and their troops are reliable as well, and seasoned and experienced in counter terrorism operations.

They have a long history of being democratic, peaceful and tolerant of all religions. Even now, all of Iraq's Christians fleeing persecution from ISIS are being welcomed with open arms in to Kurdistan as refuges and supplied with food and aid.

These people are the only semi-moderate, non-crazies in the Middle East.

ON TOP OF THAT, they are out for revenge, after all the shit they have taken over the years.

ON TOP OF THAT, these people absolutely love America!

ARM THE SHIT OUT OF THE KURDS, even more then we are. Get these guys an independent nation. Their time is now! We have to stop screwing these guys over, and actually help them out after their long years of loyal service! After they help us take out ISIS, we should help them create Kurdistan.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nR0W1Q_NCUM/U-xwn5fssuI/AAAAAAAADhY/9HUCNA3W6CY/s1600/amerikankurd.jpg

Then they will have a target on their backs and be in skirmishes like the Jews.

The only cures for the middle east are:

1-Allah to return and call all the Imans retards.
2-people stop believing in fairy tales.

[MadeFromDust]

What is preventing it from happening

It would be interesting to see all the anti-Israel proponents' stance on Kurdish sovereignty too :)

[kNIOKAS]

It's strange to see it phrased as the question of Middle East or the disease of Middle East. Why are you so invested in it? Does not seem it's on personal level since it's phrased so broadly. I would wonder why Americans do care so much about another part of the world?

[MadeFromDust]

It's strange to see it phrased as the question of Middle East or the disease of Middle East. Why are you so invested in it? Does not seem it's on personal level since it's phrased so broadly. I would wonder why Americans do care so much about another part of the world?
Prolly because all those psycho snackbars keep doing outrageous things to get themselves on American TV :rolleyes:

[kNIOKAS]

Prolly because all those psycho snackbars keep doing outrageous things to get themselves on American TV :rolleyes:
Fine. So they are pretty much manipulating the consciensce of american public... Is it what you want, as a country?

Then there's also a good question to ask - since we know that the government interests are not public interests - does the government want ISIS manipulating the public opinion? Would they effect this process, and also, are they competent or not compentent enough for that?

One could get some interesting implications there.

[Nick Young]

Then they will have a target on their backs and be in skirmishes like the Jews.

The only cures for the middle east are:

1-Allah to return and call all the Imans retards.
2-people stop believing in fairy tales.
Doesn't matter if they have a target on their backs. We will arm them to the teeth and allow them to defend their independence.

They already have targets on their backs. Turkey is dying for a chance to invade and has been for years. Iraq is always trying to genocide them every 10 years it seems.

We sort these guys out and make them bosses. There are 40 million Kurds in the world, and about 30 million in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not be like Israel who are a tiny minority and tiny population.

Kurds are loyal to the US and have been f*cked around for two long. Do you not think they deserve their own country?

This way we will have two monster allies in the middle east.

KURDISH INDEPENDENCE IS THE ANSWER. Their time is now. These are good people with good values who deserve a state. how do I write a letter to Obama to make this happen?

[Nick Young]

It's strange to see it phrased as the question of Middle East or the disease of Middle East. Why are you so invested in it? Does not seem it's on personal level since it's phrased so broadly. I would wonder why Americans do care so much about another part of the world?
It couldn't be because we got two wars going on over there and about to start a third, could it?:hammerhead:

It couldn't be because most of our foreign oil interests are there, could it?:hammerhead:

It couldn't be because nutcases from there are flying planes into our buildings and beheading our people on TV could it?:hammerhead:

[MavsSuperFan]

Then they will have a target on their backs and be in skirmishes like the Jews.

The only cures for the middle east are:

1-Allah to return and call all the Imans retards.
2-people stop believing in fairy tales.
The kurds already have been targets of arabs and turks for centuries.

The only difference is the jews have modern advanced weapons and the kurds dont.

We should make kurdistan into a second "israel"

[MavsSuperFan]

good headsmack


poido you really need to check your sources if you're on board with what nick young has been posting regarding the iraqi/syrian ongoing crisis.

to rezznor who thought peshmerga was reminicent of the hmong. let me offer up another comparison: israel
is calling the kurds israel supposed to be an argument against arming them to the teeth?
The only legitimate argument against arming the kurds is it would piss of the turks, but its immoral how the turks have treated the kurds anyways.
besides turkey is becoming increasingly islamic (letting it affect their politics and policies)

[Nick Young]

The kurds already have been targets of arabs and turks for centuries.

The only difference is the jews have modern advanced weapons and the kurds dont.

We should make kurdistan into a second "israel"
Also Kurdistan is easier to defend, being surrounded by mountains.

Israel is already supplying them with aid. Let's just make Kurdistan an officially recognized nation and let them be our second proxy down there. People are already afraid to mess with Israel. We get Kurdistan that means we have Saudi, Kurdistan and Israel and basically control the region. PLUS KURDS LOVE AMERICANS. Let's reward their loyalty with independence! Let the kurds do our dirty work and carry our weight down their and bring our troops back home!

If Kurds get a nation finally after all these centuries it would almost make these idiotic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan worth it.

[MavsSuperFan]

If USA is smart, it should do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IT CAN to get these guys an independent nation FINALLY and arm the shit out of them, until every single Kurdish soldier is a freaking terminator.

These guys have always been loyal to the US despite us screwing them over time after time, providing us with reliable intel, and their troops are reliable as well, and seasoned and experienced in counter terrorism operations.

They have a long history of being democratic, peaceful and tolerant of all religions. Even now, all of Iraq's Christians fleeing persecution from ISIS are being welcomed with open arms in to Kurdistan as refuges and supplied with food and aid.

These people are the only semi-moderate, non-crazies in the Middle East.

ON TOP OF THAT, they are out for revenge, after all the shit they have taken over the years.

ON TOP OF THAT, these people absolutely love America!

ARM THE SHIT OUT OF THE KURDS, even more then we are. Get these guys an independent nation. Their time is now! We have to stop screwing these guys over, and actually help them out after their long years of loyal service! After they help us take out ISIS, we should help them create Kurdistan.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nR0W1Q_NCUM/U-xwn5fssuI/AAAAAAAADhY/9HUCNA3W6CY/s1600/amerikankurd.jpg
It would be great to see a historically oppressed people like the Kurds finally have their own nation and be able to have self determination. I would be proud of America if it helped the Kurds like we helped out Kosovo.

The arabs and turks will be salty they no longer can abuse the kurds though

other than arabs and turks who else whats to see kurds be an oppressed minority?

[MavsSuperFan]

It's strange to see it phrased as the question of Middle East or the disease of Middle East. Why are you so invested in it? Does not seem it's on personal level since it's phrased so broadly. I would wonder why Americans do care so much about another part of the world?
1. The middle east has oil, oil fuels our economy and military
2. Historically islamic states from this area have always been a major threat to the western world

[MavsSuperFan]

Doesn't matter if they have a target on their backs. We will arm them to the teeth and allow them to defend their independence.

They already have targets on their backs. Turkey is dying for a chance to invade and has been for years. Iraq is always trying to genocide them every 10 years it seems.

We sort these guys out and make them bosses. There are 40 million Kurds in the world, and about 30 million in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not be like Israel who are a tiny minority and tiny population.

Kurds are loyal to the US and have been f*cked around for two long. Do you not think they deserve their own country?

This way we will have two monster allies in the middle east.

KURDISH INDEPENDENCE IS THE ANSWER. Their time is now. These are good people with good values who deserve a state. how do I write a letter to Obama to make this happen?
:applause: :applause: :applause:
We owe the kurds so much

We gave saddam the wmds he used on the kurds
after the kurds rose up in the first gulf war we didnt go in to save them and saddam brutalized them

[KingBeasley08]

Agreed. The Kurds are Muslims who have always been moderate and an ally of the Western world. Making them a country would give us a strong ally along with Israel that can deal with these crazies in the Middle East.

[Inactive]

What is preventing it from happeningTurkey, Syria, and Iraq aren't going to just give them the land. The U.S has aided the Turks in their fight against the separatist Kurds forever. The U.S isn't going to go to war with Iraq, and certainly not Turkey, over the Kurds.


It would be interesting to see all the anti-Israel proponents' stance on Kurdish sovereignty too :)The Kurds are more analogous to the Palestinians, if anything. They were ****ed over by the way the British decided to partition the Middle East, and ended up becoming oppressed minorities in their ancestral lands.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

We already hanged them out to dry like a million times, Clinton was the latest to phuck them, pulling out of a joint operation last minute, leaving the Kurds to get MASSACRED, and still they remain loyal and reliable allies. If Obama does one thing right, it will be sorting out Kurdistan. They deserve a nation and have for a long long time.

going to rep you because these are legitimate claims you are making :applause:

[brownmamba00]

Who's gonna give up the land tho? Turkey? Iran? lol

even if you create a kurdish independent state in North Iraq they won't be an answer to anything. It will just add fuel to the fire.

[Nick Young]

Who's gonna give up the land tho? Turkey? Iran? lol

even if you create a kurdish independent state in North Iraq they won't be an answer to anything. It will just add fuel to the fire.
F*ck Turkey. THE LAND THEY ARE ALREADY ON. First of all, just carve a piece out of Iraq.

Those pieces of shit betrayed us. Their army that we trained either quit or defected to ISIS. F*CK THEM.

Turkey is helping fund ISIS and other terrorist groups F*CK THEM TOO.

Kurdistan would be a nation of 30 million people, seasoned combat vets who are sick of getting beat up on by everyone around them and fully funded by the USA. Imagine super Israel. Israel and Kurdistan are already allies.

People are already afraid to f*ck with Israel. With Kurdistan backing them up, we run the middle east. Every time a new ISIS-like piece of shit group comes, we send the Kurds in to sort it out.

[Booz Vivic]

the usa is the shit which has been ****ing up the middle east since 1950s. if they would arm the kurds, they would only be creating more hatred

[fiddy]

Who's gonna give up the land tho? Turkey? Iran? lol

even if you create a kurdish independent state in North Iraq they won't be an answer to anything. It will just add fuel to the fire.
/thread

[brownmamba00]

F*ck Turkey. THE LAND THEY ARE ALREADY ON. First of all, just carve a piece out of Iraq.

Those pieces of shit betrayed us. Their army that we trained either quit or defected to ISIS. F*CK THEM.

Turkey is helping fund ISIS and other terrorist groups F*CK THEM TOO.

Kurdistan would be a nation of 30 million people, seasoned combat vets who are sick of getting beat up on by everyone around them and fully funded by the USA. Imagine super Israel. Israel and Kurdistan are already allies.

People are already afraid to f*ck with Israel. With Kurdistan backing them up, we run the middle east. Every time a new ISIS-like piece of shit group comes, we send the Kurds in to sort it out.

Yeah sure go ahead start another war with turkey iran and iraq. The us got money, right? shit grows on trees.

fvck israel tho the moment the US takes it helping hand off of them they are ****ed and that day will come.

[Nick Young]

Yeah sure go ahead start another war with turkey iran and iraq. The us got money, right? shit grows on trees.

fvck israel tho the moment the US takes it helping hand off of them they are ****ed and that day will come.
Do you really think that Turkey would go to war with Kurdistan if we and Israel have their back?:roll: :roll: :roll:

LOL you hate Israel so bad, don't worry bro the Kurds have their back as well as the US. We run the middle east. BIG 3 AKA Dynasty:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


We tried to sort Iraq out, what does their army do? Run away in fear/join ISIS first chance they get. F*CK IRAQ. They are always trying to invade the kurds/genocide them. Iraq is currently trying to genocide all of it's zoroastrians and christians, and the Kurds are welcoming them in with open arms. The Kurds deserve that land. Iraq had their chance to be united with the kurds and keep blowing it time after time.

You do know that Turkey is funding and supporting ISIS terrorists correct?

[eliteballer]

If USA is smart, it should do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IT CAN to get these guys an independent nation FINALLY and arm the shit out of them, until every single Kurdish soldier is a freaking terminator.

These guys have always been loyal to the US despite us screwing them over time after time, providing us with reliable intel, and their troops are reliable as well, and seasoned and experienced in counter terrorism operations.

They have a long history of being democratic, peaceful and tolerant of all religions. Even now, all of Iraq's Christians fleeing persecution from ISIS are being welcomed with open arms in to Kurdistan as refuges and supplied with food and aid.

These people are the only semi-moderate, non-crazies in the Middle East.

ON TOP OF THAT, they are out for revenge, after all the shit they have taken over the years.

ON TOP OF THAT, these people absolutely love America!

ARM THE SHIT OUT OF THE KURDS, even more then we are. Get these guys an independent nation. Their time is now! We have to stop screwing these guys over, and actually help them out after their long years of loyal service! After they help us take out ISIS, we should help them create Kurdistan.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nR0W1Q_NCUM/U-xwn5fssuI/AAAAAAAADhY/9HUCNA3W6CY/s1600/amerikankurd.jpg


Just another example of how ignorant and incapable you are of actually commenting on foreign policy.

Turkey and Iran will tolerate using the Kurds to an extent to counter ISIS, but this would cause a huge headache for the US with them.

[Nick Young]

Just another example of how ignorant and incapable you are of actually commenting on foreign policy.

Turkey and Iran will tolerate using the Kurds to an extent to counter ISIS, but this would cause a huge headache for the US with them.
Turkey is aiding ISIS directly. And aiding in the capture of foreign hostages. They are also refusing to help out in Syria against ISIS. F*CK TURKEY.

And Iran, ok, we don't mess their borders. Kurdistan should be taken from Iraq.

That's what these pieces of shit get for repeatedly trying to invade them. The borders of Kurdistan should be the mountains where the Kurds currently reside. Easy. Iraq takes the hit. Turkey and Iran keep their borders. Iraq loses out, and frankly they deserve it, after the way their army abandoned us to join ISIS like the traitorous cowards that they are, and after their recent ethnic cleansing terrorist rampage.

Do you think that the kurds, a people with a population of 50 million who have been terrorized for hundreds of years by their neighbors, don't deserve a nation?

They are the ONE ethnic group in the region that doesn't have a history of harboring psycho extremist warmongers. They have a long history of being peaceful and tolerating all religions, and giving women more rights then any other group in the region. Just sort them out with a nation already. They have paid their dues.

[brownmamba00]

Do you really think that Turkey would go to war with Kurdistan if we and Israel have their back?:roll: :roll: :roll:

You do know that Turkey is a US ally too right?

btw if you do create an independent kurdish state and you arm them to the teeth you can bet your Jewish ass there will be war over time not only with Turkey but also with Iran and Iraq. The Kurds want a piece of southeast Turkey and the North of Iran for years now.

The only thing that was holding Turkey back from invading North Iraq and cleaning out the guerilla terrorist groups was the USA but if you give them an independent state no one will hold anyone back at that point.

But if it comes to all of that and to an all out war the Iranian and Turkish military would smash the Peshmerga like a fly on the wall unless they'd go back to their guerilla tactics but that would just delay the process.


LOL you hate Israel so bad, don't worry bro the Kurds have their back as well as the US. We run the middle east. BIG 3 AKA Dynasty:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:lol


We tried to sort Iraq out, what does their army do? Run away in fear/join ISIS first chance they get. F*CK IRAQ. They are always trying to invade the kurds/genocide them. Iraq is currently trying to genocide all of it's zoroastrians and christians, and the Kurds are welcoming them in with open arms. The Kurds deserve that land. Iraq had their chance to be united with the kurds and keep blowing it time after time.

Iraq is actually the only country giving the Kurds so much autonomy.


You do know that Turkey is funding and supporting ISIS terrorists correct?

yes...just like how the States were funding them in the beginning and how the US allies in the ME are still showing logistic support...what's your point?

[Nick Young]

Turkey is a US "ally" in name only. What have they done for us lately? Oh wait that's right, not back our campaign against ISIS in Syria, and help ISIS capture American journalists and aid workers.


Thanks Turkey:facepalm

Do you think that the Kurds don't deserve their own nation?

You do realize that NO ONE would be able to do jack shit to Kurdistan if we had their back and sorted them out like we do with Israel? They are 3-4 times the population size of Israel, and already all countries bordering cannot do shit against Israel, except terrorist attacks, because they would get their asses served to them on a Shabbat platter. Kurdistan can operate similar to Israel. They live in the mountains and mountains are hard to invade.

Kurds have existed for longer then Turks and Iraqis have.


Iraq is not giving the kurds autonomy. Iraq is abandoning their central government to join up with extremist fundamentalists and recently were planning to invade Kurdistan until US intervened. Look at history. It is pretty much every 10 years or so Iraq just decides they want to phuck the Kurds. Go back further in history and see that all surrounding nations wanted to phuck the kurds. Why?

Do you think that Kurdistan deserves to be a nation? Those people have been there for thousands of years.

[brownmamba00]

Turkey is a US "ally" in name only. What have they done for us lately? Oh wait that's right, not back our campaign against ISIS in Syria, and help ISIS capture American journalists and aid workers.


Thanks Turkey:facepalm

Do you think that the Kurds don't deserve their own nation?

You do realize that NO ONE would be able to do jack shit to Kurdistan if we had their back and sorted them out like we do with Israel? They are 3-4 times the population size of Israel, and already all countries bordering cannot do shit against Israel, except terrorist attacks, because they would get their asses served to them on a Shabbat platter. Kurdistan can operate similar to Israel. They live in the mountains and mountains are hard to invade.


Iraq is not giving the kurds autonomy. Iraq is abandoning their central government to join up with extremist fundamentalists and recently were planning to invade Kurdistan until US intervened. Look at history. It is pretty much every 10 years or so Iraq just decides they want to phuck the Kurds. Go back further in history and see that all surrounding nations wanted to phuck the kurds. Why?

Do you think that Kurdistan deserves to be a nation? Those people have been there for thousands of years.

after all the shit the US did to Turkey they should be thankful they still have them as allies after all these years.

Do I think that the Kurds deserve an independent nation? Not really...they can have their independent nation in North Iraq when the PKK climbes down the mountains and lays down their weapons + they'd have to sign some kind of treaty that ensures they can only have limited military forces.

They already have north Iraq as their autonomous region tho I mean you said it yourself they live in mountains why create extra heat for the US and the Middle East just because of some mountains.

[Nick Young]

LOL You think the Kurds shouldn't have weapons, after years and years and years of Iraqis and Turks messing with their shit and f*cking them over?:facepalm

So Kurds give up all their weapons and next time an Iraqi invasion force comes along to genocide thousands of them what do the kurds do? The kurds give up their weapons, what is stopping Turkey from taking over Kurdistan?

Why don't the Kurds deserve their own nation? They have been on their land longer then the Turks have been on theirs.

You must be Turkish. I have never heard a more biased argument.

If Turkey keeps their pro-ISIS shit up we best give Constantinople back to Greece as well.

[KingBeasley08]

LOL You think the Kurds shouldn't have weapons, after years and years and years of Iraqis and Turks messing with their shit and f*cking them over?:facepalm

So Kurds give up all their weapons and next time an Iraqi invasion force comes along to genocide thousands of them what do the kurds do? The kurds give up their weapons, what is stopping Turkey from taking over Kurdistan?

Why don't the Kurds deserve their own nation? They have been on their land longer then the Turks have been on theirs.

You must be Turkish. I have never heard a more biased argument.

If Turkey keeps their pro-ISIS shit up we best give Constantinople back to Greece as well.
That'd be funny as shit :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

LOL You think the Kurds shouldn't have weapons, after years and years and years of Iraqis and Turks messing with their shit and f*cking them over?:facepalm

So Kurds give up all their weapons and next time an Iraqi invasion force comes along to genocide thousands of them what do the kurds do? The kurds give up their weapons, what is stopping Turkey from taking over Kurdistan?

Why don't the Kurds deserve their own nation? They have been on their land longer then the Turks have been on theirs.

You must be Turkish. I have never heard a more biased argument.

If Turkey keeps their pro-ISIS shit up we best give Constantinople back to Greece as well.
Although the Byzantine Empire was predominantly Greek speaking, it was Roman.


As for the Kurds, yes. They deserve their own state. Any native people has the right to govern their own native land IMO. I'm not sure most people understand that Turks are not natives of Turkey. They are conquerers from Turkic countries in central Eurasia.

[pezt]

Man you guys are ****ing clueless. I dare you guys to live in the South East of Turkey for a while and see for yourselves if they are these superdemocratic, modern and moderate people like you seem to think.

A 16 year old girl from my hometown was killed in one of PKK's terrorist attacks. That's how ****ing great these guys are.


I don't mind them getting their own state in Nord Iraq but stay the **** away from Turkey.


Also Nick Young, aren't a massive Israel supporter? How in the ****ing hell do you think that the Kurds deserve their own land because of the "shit they've been taking over the years" and the palestinians don't? The Kurds basically live in paradise compared to what the Palestinians had to suffer.

[Nick Young]

Man you guys are ****ing clueless. I dare you guys to live in the South East of Turkey for a while and see for yourselves if they are these superdemocratic, modern and moderate people like you seem to think.

A 16 year old girl from my hometown was killed in one of PKK's terrorist attacks. That's how ****ing great these guys are.


I don't mind them getting their own state in Nord Iraq but stay the **** away from Turkey.


Also Nick Young, aren't a massive Israel supporter? How in the ****ing hell do you think that the Kurds deserve their own land because of the "shit they've been taking over the years" and the palestinians don't? The Kurds basically live in paradise compared to what the Palestinians had to suffer.
Don't change the thread subject.

ALSO, learn history if you think Palestinians had to suffer.

Here are some facts:
There was never AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY a group of people who called themselves Palestinians until AFTER the 1967 war when Yasser Arafat told them to call themselves that as a tactic to gain international sympathy.

A vast majority of the people currently in Gaza are descended from settlers who MOVED THERE AFTER THE ISRAELI INDEPENDENCE WAR and are actually from Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Saudi.

The land now known as Israel, apart from Jerusalem, was a barren desert. The only people who lived there WERE BEDUOINS. The country became settled by the people who now call themselves Palestinians AFTER the founding of modern Israel, when they came flooding in claiming refuge status.

In contrast, the Kurds have lived on the same land for about 3,000 years now.

Kurds lived in paradise? Are gas attacks from Sadam living in paradise?:hammerhead:

Are Ottoman raids against them considered paradise?:facepalm

Are Arab massacres against them considered paradise?

Man you live in imagination land.

[MavsSuperFan]

Erdogan has been a very poor ally to america recently.
His support of hamas and islamist political parties should be a huge concern for the US.

He himself is an islamist.

I hope secular forces take control of Turkey soon.
Kurds definitely should have an independent state in northern Iraq.

[MavsSuperFan]

Although the Byzantine Empire was predominantly Greek speaking, it was Roman.


As for the Kurds, yes. They deserve their own state. Any native people has the right to govern their own native land IMO. I'm not sure most people understand that Turks are not natives of Turkey. They are conquerers from Turkic countries in central Eurasia.
Thank you


LOL You think the Kurds shouldn't have weapons, after years and years and years of Iraqis and Turks messing with their shit and f*cking them over?:facepalm

So Kurds give up all their weapons and next time an Iraqi invasion force comes along to genocide thousands of them what do the kurds do? The kurds give up their weapons, what is stopping Turkey from taking over Kurdistan?

Why don't the Kurds deserve their own nation? They have been on their land longer then the Turks have been on theirs.

You must be Turkish. I have never heard a more biased argument.

If Turkey keeps their pro-ISIS shit up we best give Constantinople back to Greece as well.
Only arab and turkish supremacists would want the kurds to live on their knees

[MavsSuperFan]

Man you guys are ****ing clueless. I dare you guys to live in the South East of Turkey for a while and see for yourselves if they are these superdemocratic, modern and moderate people like you seem to think.

A 16 year old girl from my hometown was killed in one of PKK's terrorist attacks. That's how ****ing great these guys are.


I don't mind them getting their own state in Nord Iraq but stay the **** away from Turkey.


Also Nick Young, aren't a massive Israel supporter? How in the ****ing hell do you think that the Kurds deserve their own land because of the "shit they've been taking over the years" and the palestinians don't? The Kurds basically live in paradise compared to what the Palestinians had to suffer.
When has the Palestinians been subject to weapons of mass destruction. Eg when the kurds had VX nerve gas used on them?

[MavsSuperFan]

Yeah sure go ahead start another war with turkey iran and iraq. The us got money, right? shit grows on trees.

Turkey is not going start a war over a kurdish state in northern Iraq. They will bitch and whine but a kurdish state in northern iraq with american support will not be something turkey will directly attack.

Iraq's central government is extremely weak.


fvck israel tho the moment the US takes it helping hand off of them they are ****ed and that day will come.

Israel has a right to exist, and is legitimate within the 1967 borders. Hopefully america will always support the right of a jewish state to exist within the 1967 borders despite how the anti jewish people feel

[MavsSuperFan]

the usa is the shit which has been ****ing up the middle east since 1950s. if they would arm the kurds, they would only be creating more hatred
If some foreign force would have come to america pre 1860s and forced the southern states to stop using slavery, the southerners would have hated that foreign force too. If some foreign force stop america from stealing the lands of native americans and forcing them into concentration camps, we would have hated them too. If some foreign force stopped america from annexing parts of mexico, americans would also have held a grudge.

Kurdish people deserve a state. Sometimes doing the right thing is going to create enemies that want the wrong thing to continue to happen. Eg. the kurdish people to remain without a nation

[NumberSix]

When has the Palestinians been subject to weapons of mass destruction. Eg when the kurds had VX nerve gas used on them?
Hasn't Israel used white phosphorus on Gaza multiple times? I honestly could be remembering that wrong. :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Hasn't Israel used white phosphorus on Gaza multiple times? I honestly could be remembering that wrong. :confusedshrug:
They say they used it as a smoke screen to protect their guys, not as a weapon, but that was after first denying they used willie pete at all. NOT SOMETHING I SUPPORT. Less harmful smokescreens should have been used if that was their true intention, but it's shady that they denied using WP until confronted with photographic evidence!

White Phosphorous is nowhere near the level of nerve gas but it is still f*cked up!

[MavsSuperFan]

Turkey, Syria, and Iraq aren't going to just give them the land. The U.S has aided the Turks in their fight against the separatist Kurds forever. The U.S isn't going to go to war with Iraq, and certainly not Turkey, over the Kurds.

I would be deeply ashamed if america abandoned the Kurdish people again.
A kurdish state in northern iraq should be created. Iraq is a fake country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement
[QUOTE]The Sykes–Picot Agreement, officially known as the Asia Minor Agreement, was a secret agreement between the governments of the United Kingdom and France,[1] with the assent of Russia, defining their proposed spheres of influence and control in the Middle East should the Triple Entente succeed in defeating the Ottoman Empire during World War I. The negotiation of the treaty occurred between November 1915 and March 1916.[2] The agreement was concluded on 16 May 1916.[3]

The agreement effectively divided the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire outside the Arabian peninsula into areas of future British and French control or influence.[4] The terms were negotiated by the French diplomat Fran

[MavsSuperFan]

Hasn't Israel used white phosphorus on Gaza multiple times? I honestly could be remembering that wrong. :confusedshrug:
White phosphorus is not a WMD. its banned but its not a WMD

[NumberSix]

Jews were the original peoples on that land.
You know there were people there long before the existence of Judaism, right?

[MavsSuperFan]

You know there were people there long before the existence of Judaism, right?
Well obviously, there were probably homo-sapiens living there before Judaism developed

If the Hittites ever reemerge they will have my support then

[MavsSuperFan]

You know there were people there long before the existence of Judaism, right?
Further its not like I dont think arabs have a right to some of that land

Felt the 1947 partition was more than fair to the arab side, If the arabs had accepted it like the jews than the 1947 un partition would be the appropriate borders.

The arabs attacked first and israel defeated them and conquered the areas we call the pre 1967 borders, thus making the pre 1967 borders legitimate.

In june 4, 1967 the jews struck first during the six day war. Personally i feel the jews had no choice and it would have been irresponsible wait (eg. the yom kippur war in 73), but nevertheless israel struck first and no nation should benefit from aggressive warfare. Thus territory conquered in the 6 day war should eventually be given back.

The west bank, Gaza, east Jerusalem, the sinai, and the golan heights should evenutally be returned to the arabs. (or more accurately the equlivant amount of land) and a Palestinian state should be created there. It is my hope that eventually happens.

To me israel has shown that it is willing to give back land if it is recognized and signs a peace treaty. Eg. giving back the sinai to egypt, despite the energy resources of the sinai.

If the Palestinians recognize israel as a legitimate state, give up on the full right of return, and renounce violence, then the US should push israel to withdraw into the 1967 borders or its equivalent land. Eg. perhaps trade some west bank settlements for arab majority areas of current israel.

Edit: The US should never push israel to give up more than the 1967 borders

[NumberSix]

Further its not like I dont think arabs have a right to some of that land

Felt the 1947 partition was more than fair to the arab side, If the arabs had accepted it like the jews than the 1947 un partition would be the appropriate borders.

The arabs attacked first and israel defeated them and conquered the areas we call the pre 1967 borders, thus making the pre 1967 borders legitimate.

In june 4, 1967 the jews struck first during the six day war. Personally i feel the jews had no choice and it would have been irresponsible wait (eg. the yom kippur war in 73), but nevertheless israel struck first and no nation should benefit from aggressive warfare. Thus territory conquered in the 6 day war should eventually be given back.

The west bank, Gaza, east Jerusalem, the sinai, and the golan heights should evenutally be returned to the arabs. (or more accurately the equlivant amount of land) and a Palestinian state should be created there. It is my hope that eventually happens.

To me israel has shown that it is willing to give back land if it is recognized and signs a peace treaty. Eg. giving back the sinai to egypt, despite the energy resources of the sinai.

If the Palestinians recognize israel as a legitimate state, give up on the full right of return, and renounce violence, then the US should push israel to withdraw into the 1967 borders or its equivalent land. Eg. perhaps trade some west bank settlements for arab majority areas of current israel.

The US should never push israel to give up more than the 1967 borders
It is kinda strange how you exclusively condemn Palestinians for the exact things that Israel does to a much greater degree. It's just weird logically....


Palestinians pretending there is no Israel = bad
Israel actually preventing a Palestine = that's fine

Palestinians returning home = OH HELL NO!
Any Jew in the world can go to Israel = That's fine



Why such wildly different standards? :confusedshrug:


It's just weird how you so strongly have a preference for one side over the other when you seemingly have no connection.

[Nick Young]

Further its not like I dont think arabs have a right to some of that land

Felt the 1947 partition was more than fair to the arab side, If the arabs had accepted it like the jews than the 1947 un partition would be the appropriate borders.

The arabs attacked first and israel defeated them and conquered the areas we call the pre 1967 borders, thus making the pre 1967 borders legitimate.

In june 4, 1967 the jews struck first during the six day war. Personally i feel the jews had no choice and it would have been irresponsible wait (eg. the yom kippur war in 73), but nevertheless israel struck first and no nation should benefit from aggressive warfare. Thus territory conquered in the 6 day war should eventually be given back.

The west bank, Gaza, east Jerusalem, the sinai, and the golan heights should evenutally be returned to the arabs. (or more accurately the equlivant amount of land) and a Palestinian state should be created there. It is my hope that eventually happens.

To me israel has shown that it is willing to give back land if it is recognized and signs a peace treaty. Eg. giving back the sinai to egypt, despite the energy resources of the sinai.

If the Palestinians recognize israel as a legitimate state, give up on the full right of return, and renounce violence, then the US should push israel to withdraw into the 1967 borders or its equivalent land. Eg. perhaps trade some west bank settlements for arab majority areas of current israel.

Edit: The US should never push israel to give up more than the 1967 borders
Yep this is proven fact throughout the history of modern Israel, but the pro Hamas nutcases always refuse to acknowledge it.

There never was a group of people at any point in history who called themselves Palestinians-FACT.

The people who occupied the region more then the arabs who are currently there were the Bedoins. Why aren't you crying for beduoins to have control of Palestine? They are now unable to move freely between their ancenstral lands due to arab and Jewish settlers! Why aren't you crying for them?

Who is preventing Palestinians from returning home? Most of them don't want to be there. Also, surrounding arab countries treat them like dogs. In the middle east, Palestinians are considered very low on the social ladder and only one small step above Jews. It's sad, not even their own people are doing anything to look out for them.

But then they cry muslim brothers everytime they get attacked by Israel.

[Dresta]

after all the shit the US did to Turkey they should be thankful they still have them as allies after all these years.

Do I think that the Kurds deserve an independent nation? Not really...they can have their independent nation in North Iraq when the PKK climbes down the mountains and lays down their weapons + they'd have to sign some kind of treaty that ensures they can only have limited military forces.

They already have north Iraq as their autonomous region tho I mean you said it yourself they live in mountains why create extra heat for the US and the Middle East just because of some mountains.
Of course they deserve a ****ing nation you worthless piece of shit.

[brownmamba00]

Man you guys are ****ing clueless. I dare you guys to live in the South East of Turkey for a while and see for yourselves if they are these superdemocratic, modern and moderate people like you seem to think.

A 16 year old girl from my hometown was killed in one of PKK's terrorist attacks. That's how ****ing great these guys are.


I don't mind them getting their own state in Nord Iraq but stay the **** away from Turkey.


Also Nick Young, aren't a massive Israel supporter? How in the ****ing hell do you think that the Kurds deserve their own land because of the "shit they've been taking over the years" and the palestinians don't? The Kurds basically live in paradise compared to what the Palestinians had to suffer.
pretty much

It's weird seeing other Americans support the marxist commie PKK and it's allies tho

[Nick Young]

pretty much

It's weird seeing other Americans support the marxist commie PKK and it's allies tho
The Hamas supporting Turkish nationalist strikes again:roll: :roll: :roll:

[brownmamba00]

The Hamas supporting Turkish nationalist strikes again:roll: :roll: :roll:
I don't like Hamas one bit.

I am part Turkish tho but go on keep spreading around your israeli propaganda, I don't give a **** just don't get mad when someone calls out your bullshit bruh

[Nick Young]

I don't like Hamas one bit.

I am part Turkish tho but go on keep spreading around your israeli propaganda, I don't give a **** just don't get mad when someone calls out your bullshit bruh
Why do the kurds not deserve a country?

If they had a country, why do you think they should be forced to give up arms?:confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

pretty much

It's weird seeing other Americans support the marxist commie PKK and it's allies tho
You can't be ****ing serious: the oppression of the Kurds has been far more brutal and far more decimating than the oppression of Palestinians.

[Nick Young]

You can't be ****ing serious: the oppression of the Kurds has been far more brutal and far more decimating than the oppression of Palestinians.
Extremists are unable to see things in shades of gray. All they see is black and white. It is a very dangerous way of thinking, that causes most of the world's problems.

[brownmamba00]

Why do the kurds not deserve a country?

If they had a country, why do you think they should be forced to give up arms?:confusedshrug:

I really don't give a shit if they 'deserve' a country or not...all i'm saying is it's funny seeing all these people act like the Kurdish PKK and Peshmergha are these modern democratic organisations...As always the US are just using them to put down the monster it created. Now will the Kurds get their reward in an independent state, I don't think that's for the US to decide esp if Obama is still in the white house, after this ISIS bullshit is done tensions will be high in the area.

Also since the co-operation of the CIA with the Turks in capturing of their terrorist hero Abdullah Ocalan, the US started funding them and showed them logistic support which helped in their expansion...so don't think they won't **** you over if they get big and powerful enough cause you ****ed over the Kurds for a long time.

now tell me why do you think they so much deserve their independent state? Just because you think they'll be buddy's with the Israelis?:oldlol:

I hope you do know that the PKK has been in tight relations with the PLO since 1978. They go to the same training camps, the PLO even actively recruits and sends soldiers over to the PKK. They are a brotherhood organization.

[brownmamba00]

You can't be ****ing serious: the oppression of the Kurds has been far more brutal and far more decimating than the oppression of Palestinians.
that's bullshit after the saddam years they've been living in peace while the Palestinians are getting bombarded heavily every 2-3 years.

they have an autonomous region since 1991 that no one cares to invade or blockade what the **** are you even talking about? halabja killings 1988? that's a long time ago my friend.

I've been following the Kurdish problem for years now you sound like you don't know shit about the issue just stfu.

[Nick Young]

I really don't give a shit if they 'deserve' a country or not...all i'm saying is it's funny seeing all these people act like the Kurdish PKK and Peshmergha are these modern democratic organisations...As always the US are just using them to put down the monster it created. Now will the Kurds get their reward in an independent state, I don't think that's for the US to decide esp if Obama is still in the white house, after this ISIS bullshit is done tensions will be high in the area.

Also since the co-operation of the CIA with the Turks in capturing of their terrorist hero Abdullah Ocalan, the US started funding them and showed them logistic support which helped in their expansion...so don't think they won't **** you over if they get big and powerful enough cause you ****ed over the Kurds for a long time.

now tell me why do you think they so much deserve their independent state? Just because you think they'll be buddy's with the Israelis?:oldlol:

I hope you do know that the PKK has been in tight relations with the PLO since 1978. They go to the same training camps, the PLO even actively recruits and sends soldiers over to the PKK. They are a brotherhood organization.
Compared to Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan, the Kurds are democratic, progressive and not extremists.

Don't forget, a high level Turkish government official recently encouraged women to not laugh or smile because it was unladylike:facepalm

The Kurds are the only people in the region who don't want to live in a backwards society.

[Nick Young]

that's bullshit after the saddam years they've been living in peace while the Palestinians are getting bombarded heavily every 2-3 years.

they have an autonomous region since 1991 that no one cares to invade or blockade what the **** are you even talking about? halabja killings 1988? that's a long time ago my friend.

I've been following the Kurdish problem for years now you sound like you don't know shit about the issue just stfu.

You sound like some one who irrationally hates Kurds. What have they ever done to you?:confusedshrug:

[Inactive]

1. only during the early Islamic caliphates did Arabs control the area we call the Palestinian mandate.What is your point? Because it was part of the Ottoman empire, the people who lived there for thousands of years have no claim to their land? When the British took control of the region, it was moral for them do whatever they wanted with it, because the Palestinians didn't have prior autonomy?


Jews were the original peoples on that land.Jews, and Palestinians are both descended from ancient NW Semitic peoples.


The romans conquered the jews and eventually as a punishment for their rebellions forced the jews to leave via military force.
The roman empire split and the eastern half became called the byzantine empire. They controlled that area.Many Jews, Samaritans, some Greeks (or Hellenized natives), and Syrians/Phoenicians/Arameans still lived in the area after the siege of Jerusalem, and the destruction of the temple.

When the Arabs took control of the region from the Byzantines, it was largely populated by Aramaic speaking Christians. After the Byzantines were defeated, Jews were allowed to return to the city of Jerusalem. Christians and Jews in the region quickly adopted the Arabic language, probably for economic reasons. Over the centuries, most of them converted to Islam, and began to identify as Arab. The same thing happened in the rest of the Middle East, and North Africa.


It was further divided so that the jews only got 55% of the remaining 23% and arabs got 45%.

Jews got screwed over and still accepted it for peace. Arabs wanted to commit genocide and kill all the jews but were too militarily weakThe Israelis got screwed over, when they were given 56% of Palestine? Land in which 400,000 Palestinians resided?

The 1948 wasn't a war to ethnically cleanse the Jews, or at least not any more than it was a war to prevent the ethnic cleansing of those 400,000 Palestinians. There was conflict between the Jewish immigrants, and the Palestinians for at least 20 years before the 1948 war. Jews committed terrorist attacks, against both the Palestinians, and the British. Palestinians did the same to the Jews.

[brownmamba00]

Compared to Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan, the Kurds are democratic, progressive and not extremists.

Don't forget, a high level Turkish government official recently encouraged women to not laugh or smile because it was unladylike:facepalm

The Kurds are the only people in the region who don't want to live in a backwards society.
yeah the current administration in Turkey is borderline retarded, I agree for once.

Also I don't irrationally hate Kurds, I'm against the idea of a US & Israel controlled Kurdistan.

[Nick Young]

yeah the current administration in Turkey is borderline retarded, I agree for once.

Also I don't irrationally hate Kurds, I'm against the idea of a US & Israel controlled Kurdistan.
It'd be Kurdish controlled Kurdistan with US backing and Israel as a local ally.

[Nick Young]

What is your point? Because it was part of the Ottoman empire, the people who lived there for thousands of years have no claim to their land? When the British took control of the region, it was moral for them do whatever they wanted with it, because the Palestinians didn't have prior autonomy?

Jews, and Palestinians are both descended from ancient NW Semitic peoples.

Many Jews, Samaritans, some Greeks (or Hellenized natives), and Syrians/Phoenicians/Arameans still lived in the area after the siege of Jerusalem, and the destruction of the temple.

When the Arabs took control of the region from the Byzantines, it was largely populated by Aramaic speaking Christians. After the Byzantines were defeated, Jews were allowed to return to the city of Jerusalem. Christians and Jews in the region quickly adopted the Arabic language, probably for economic reasons. Over the centuries, most of them converted to Islam, and began to identify as Arab. The same thing happened in the rest of the Middle East, and North Africa.

The Israelis got screwed over, when they were given 56% of Palestine? Land in which 400,000 Palestinians resided?

The 1948 wasn't a war to ethnically cleanse the Jews, or at least not any more than it was a war to prevent the ethnic cleansing of those 400,000 Palestinians. There was conflict between the Jewish immigrants, and the Palestinians for at least 20 years before the 1948 war. Jews committed terrorist attacks, against both the Palestinians, and the British. Palestinians did the same to the Jews.
What about the Bedouins breh? They were there BEFORE the Palestinians. The Palestinians are illegal settlers on Bedouin land