It is weird that people do not limit the foods they eat.

[joe]

Most people just eat whatever tastes good to them. Flavor should not be the guideline by which you choose your food. It seems insane to live your life that way, to me.

Sometimes I want oreos.. I do not eat them. Sometimes I want soda.. I do not drink it. It is an active choice to limit myself from certain foods.

I am not saying everyone should be a nutrition nut. But it is okay to tell your body No every now and then.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

It's fine to eat whatever you want (look up iifym.com), but in between eating, stop ****ing eating.

[joe]

It's fine to eat whatever you want (look up iifym.com), but in between eating, stop ****ing eating.

I think I seen you in other threads arguing this point. You are very passionate about it so I dont want to argue. I do disagree however. Eating oreos and drinking soda all the time, even if you are not overweight, is not good for the rest of your body. Vitamins, nutrients, all of those things are being missed. Not to mention the damage caused by excess sugar, the damage to your teeth. The effects it has on your brain.

[IamRAMBO24]

It's fine to eat whatever you want (look up iifym.com), but in between eating, stop ****ing eating.

Speaking like a true fata*s.

[ace23]

They do.

[poido123]

Currently on a fast.

F.ck this shit.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

I think I seen you in other threads arguing this point. You are very passionate about it so I dont want to argue. I do disagree however. Eating oreos and drinking soda all the time, even if you are not overweight, is not good for the rest of your body. Vitamins, nutrients, all of those things are being missed. Not to mention the damage caused by excess sugar, the damage to your teeth. The effects it has on your brain.

No, no, I'm not saying it's okay to eat Oreo's and drink soda all day. What I'm saying is if you want to eat some Oreo's here and there, just make sure they fit into your daily caloric intake + macros (proteins, carbs, fats).
Obviously it's healthier and smarter to eat clean, but eating dirty from time to time isn't completely detrimental to one's health, unless they're already obese.

[IamRAMBO24]

No, no, I'm not saying it's okay to eat Oreo's and drink soda all day. What I'm saying is if you want to eat some Oreo's here and there, just make sure they fit into your daily caloric intake + macros (proteins, carbs, fats).
Obviously it's healthier and smarter to eat clean, but eating dirty from time to time isn't completely detrimental to one's health, unless they're already obese.

No sh*t sherlock, tell us something knew. That's not what the OP is talking about.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

No sh*t sherlock, tell us something knew. That's not what the OP is talking about.

:oldlol:

No shit, Sherlock, but I'm just putting If It Fits Your Macros out there.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Most people just eat whatever tastes good to them. Flavor should not be the guideline by which you choose your food. It seems insane to live your life that way, to me.

Sometimes I want oreos.. I do not eat them. Sometimes I want soda.. I do not drink it. It is an active choice to limit myself from certain foods.

I am not saying everyone should be a nutrition nut. But it is okay to tell your body No every now and then.

I have a hard restrain on myself. I hate to admit that I often crave oreos after a hard workout especially if I don't have class until the afternoon the next day. I usually buy 5-10 oreos from 7-11 and milk and consume them while I watch a movie or some TV shows on netflix. Or if I want to go drinking right after playing basketball (this happened so often during my sophomore year in college).

[knickballer]

I think I seen you in other threads arguing this point. You are very passionate about it so I dont want to argue. I do disagree however. Eating oreos and drinking soda all the time, even if you are not overweight, is not good for the rest of your body. Vitamins, nutrients, all of those things are being missed. Not to mention the damage caused by excess sugar, the damage to your teeth. The effects it has on your brain.

Very true and these sweets shouldn't probably be consumed at all. For example a coke I think has something around 40g of sugar per can which is insane. I think 2 oreos(which is the recommend serving size) has something like 200 calories with 20g of sugar and no one is just stopping at 2 cookies.. Lets be real we eat atleast 1/4 of the pack.

But there's many different reasons. First, it's very cheap to buy or cheaper compared to healthier foods. Second, these foods are very addicting and are composed like that on purpose.. Third, the companies have huge advertising budgets. A company like Coca-cola is more than just a drink, it's a brand that's everywhere. It's commercials show people having a great time and smiling while drinking coke.

That and people are dumb as ****.

[IamRAMBO24]

:oldlol:

No shit, Sherlock, but I'm just putting If It Fits Your Macros out there.

He said it is sickening people are eating whatever they want to eat and here your dumba*s changes the premise to try to fit in your stupid a*s bullsh*t .. "Oh it's ok if they don't eat a lot of it." Well they are eating a lot of it and that's pretty much the root of the discussion.

Anyways, this goes back to the other thread and I still think you owe supermanonsteroids an apology for being such a f*ckin idiot.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

He said it is sickening people are eating whatever they want to eat and here your dumba*s changes the premise to try to fit in your stupid a*s bullsh*t .. "Oh it's ok if they don't eat a lot of it." Well they are eating a lot of it and that's pretty much the root of the discussion.

Anyways, this goes back to the other thread and I still think you owe supermanonsteroids an apology for being such a f*ckin idiot.

I don't even know what you're talking about. This is how you know you need to log off the internet sometimes, dude. You're probably mad about a post I made that I've already forgotten about, and because you stay online and check every thread, you expect me to still know what you're referring to.
Link me-- because we all know you've saved the link to the post-- so I can know what this shit is.

Man, it's no wonder you're still all red bars, even after Jeff took away the negs. :hammerhead:

[IamRAMBO24]

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I don't even know what you're talking about. This is how you know you need to log off the internet sometimes, dude. You're probably mad about a post I made that I've already forgotten about, and because you stay online and check every thread, you expect me to still know what you're referring to.
Link me-- because we all know you've saved the link to the post-- so I can know what this shit is.

Man, it's no wonder you're still all red bars, even after Jeff took away the negs. :hammerhead:

You know what I'm talking about. It's easy to forget something when you obviously were made into a fool. In the thread I asked for the most sound advice regarding losing weight, but your dumba*s kept harping about the same bullsh*t that is pretty much responsible for the weight epidemic today.

I agree with your conclusion in the end it is calorie in/out, but that's only half of everything that goes into diet and nutrition. Sugar has next to zero calories but it is as detrimental to weight gain as trans fat, so to say you can eat whatever you want to eat but to watch your calories is just plain out misguided information.

[oh the horror]

What's insane to me is the food that's actually out there now.


There's candy corn Oreos.

Actually Oreos are releasing all types of ridiculous flavors.


And you know what? People are eating that shit up.

Obesity problems are real in the US man.

I'm 33 now and I've kept my weight hovering around 168-170 for the longest. I know if I step on a scale and I start to go over that then it's time to restrict myself.

[joe]

I have a hard restrain on myself. I hate to admit that I often crave oreos after a hard workout especially if I don't have class until the afternoon the next day. I usually buy 5-10 oreos from 7-11 and milk and consume them while I watch a movie or some TV shows on netflix. Or if I want to go drinking right after playing basketball (this happened so often during my sophomore year in college).

I used to eat a lot of snacks. A lot of unhealthy foods. I don't judge others who do it because that's the normal attitude towards food in most of the usa. It is just crazy if you really think about it. People neglect what their bodies.

[IamRAMBO24]

I used to eat a lot of snacks. A lot of unhealthy foods. I don't judge others who do it because that's the normal attitude towards food in most of the usa. It is just crazy if you really think about it. People neglect what their bodies.

And you know what I blame it on the professionals who are supposed to provide the correct information regarding health but are pretty much bought out by the multi-trillion dollar junk food/fast food industry.

Even healthy foods aren't healthy: many are jam packed with sugar and processed with other chemicals. I've come to the conclusion if you want to be healthy, you are going to have to eat raw and avoid sugar at all cost. A bit of sugar is ok, but people are consuming massive amounts that are leading to all sorts of weight problems.

Sugar is an additive, and like all additives, they are addicting, so people are literally getting addicted to food and they don't even know it.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

You know what I'm talking about. It's easy to forget something when you obviously were made into a fool. In the thread I asked for the most sound advice regarding losing weight, but your dumba*s kept harping about the same bullsh*t that is pretty much responsible for the weight epidemic today.

I agree with your conclusion in the end it is calorie in/out, but that's only half of everything that goes into diet and nutrition. Sugar has next to zero calories but it is as detrimental to weight gain as trans fat, so to say you can eat whatever you want to eat but to watch your calories is just plain out misguided information.

:oldlol:
So, you're mad at me because you didn't like the advice I offered? And you expect me to remember that thread because..? Bro, I've got shit going on offline. My life doesn't revolve around this message board. I hardly remember anyone's username on here.. Hell, if it weren't for my account being automatically logged-in on here whenever I visit this site, I wouldn't even remember my own username.
Yet you expect me to remember you off of some interaction we may have had weeks or months ago? :roll:

Btw, sorry IIFYM didn't work for your fat ass. It worked fine for my scrawny self. Went from 150 lbs to 174 lbs. You've got to do progressive overload, too. Can't expect to make gains off bodyweight exercises forever.
IIFYM isn't for everyone, like I already mentioned, but if you can get proper caloric intake + macros, you can eat as you please and still see positive changes. Just don't expect to eat McDonald's everyday and be lean. You still need proper servings of fruits and veggies.

Good luck losing the fat, bro. I'm rooting for you.

[irondarts]

Honestly, about a month ago I completely stopped eating fast food/frozen food and completely stopped drinking soda. Now I just eat fresh food and it's incredible how much better I feel on a day to day basis. I still cook things that taste good to me, I just cut out complete crap from my diet and eat fresh stuff and it makes a huge difference.

[IamRAMBO24]

:oldlol:


Btw, sorry IIFYM didn't work for your fat ass. It worked fine for my scrawny self. Went from 150 lbs to 174 lbs.

You're gaining weight dumbsh*t. We're talking about losing weight. The purpose of eating is satiety, so merely just counting calories when you are eating empty calories that do nothing for satiety doesn't address the problem. How the mind is affected by food is just as important as what goes inside the body.

[tgan3]

Just eat lesser, I found out by eating lesser i became thinner (No Shit).
In fact, it is more effective than doing normal exercises. If you pig out but do some jogging or normal exercise for 10-15 mins a day it still wont work.

[iamgine]

Most people just eat whatever tastes good to them. Flavor should not be the guideline by which you choose your food. It seems insane to live your life that way, to me.

Sometimes I want oreos.. I do not eat them. Sometimes I want soda.. I do not drink it. It is an active choice to limit myself from certain foods.

I am not saying everyone should be a nutrition nut. But it is okay to tell your body No every now and then.
100% false. Most people do not just eat whatever whenever.

Yes some small percentage of people do that, but to say most people do that is misguided at best.

[tomtucker]

No sh*t sherlock, tell us something knew. That's not what the OP is talking about.


:biggums: :biggums:

[poido123]

I take my hat off to people who can fast...

Just went over 24 hours but I couldn't take the hunger anymore and ate dinner...

[RidonKs]

no weirder than the facts that people f*ck without protection all the time or spend money they don't have or get addicted to drugs or smoke cancerous cigarettes or waste boatloads of time consuming drivel like reality tv (i do watch it sometimes) or dumb competition shows.... instead of other possible decisions they could make like taking the time to study a trade or a field, joining a club or a group that interests them, partnering for a project with a friend, exercising the body and the mind, creating art of any rhyme or reason, etc etc etc


people make bad decisions all the time. it's pretty much understood under which conditions they are more likely to make bad decisions and under which conditions they are more likely to make good/right/helpful/productive decisions. and even if i can't explicitly define those decisions any better than i just did, it's moving through examples of good/right/helpful/productive and finding common ground with one another that allows us to move forward with public policy.




but yeah, learning to say no is more or less in a nutshell the key to managing our body and our mind. imo anyway. we get yearnings and cravings and desires. some of them are okay to say yes too. others are not. aristotle had it right that balance is the key; if you aren't familiar with his "golden mean", check it out. moderation is by far the best approach. after that comes abstinence. after that comes hedonism. most people these days are hedonistic and its very problematic. we see it every day.

i've started to FINALLY say no to cigarettes. for about 4 years i've smoked, starting with about three a day and i've reached a pack a day in the past few months. throughout that whole period i would never say no to any smoke; the second i had the craving i found a way to get out of w/e the fk i was doing and have one. i started trying to quit over two years ago, probably quit for at least a week about 25 times in that period. failed every time and here i am smoking a pack a day. but just in the past few weeks i've started to refuse my body cigarettes. say no in a nutshell. i believe i've reached the point where i'm ready to regulate my cig intake. i may fail a few times but i'll keep trying. the plan atm is to buy four packs of cigarettes on monday morning and MAKE them last the week. we'll see how that goes.

[joe]

no weirder than the facts that people f*ck without protection all the time or spend money they don't have or get addicted to drugs or smoke cancerous cigarettes or waste boatloads of time consuming drivel like reality tv (i do watch it sometimes) or dumb competition shows.... instead of other possible decisions they could make like taking the time to study a trade or a field, joining a club or a group that interests them, partnering for a project with a friend, exercising the body and the mind, creating art of any rhyme or reason, etc etc etc


people make bad decisions all the time. it's pretty much understood under which conditions they are more likely to make bad decisions and under which conditions they are more likely to make good/right/helpful/productive decisions. and even if i can't explicitly define those decisions any better than i just did, it's moving through examples of good/right/helpful/productive and finding common ground with one another that allows us to move forward with public policy.




but yeah, learning to say no is more or less in a nutshell the key to managing our body and our mind. imo anyway. we get yearnings and cravings and desires. some of them are okay to say yes too. others are not. aristotle had it right that balance is the key; if you aren't familiar with his "golden mean", check it out. moderation is by far the best approach. after that comes abstinence. after that comes hedonism. most people these days are hedonistic and its very problematic. we see it every day.

i've started to FINALLY say no to cigarettes. for about 4 years i've smoked, starting with about three a day and i've reached a pack a day in the past few months. throughout that whole period i would never say no to any smoke; the second i had the craving i found a way to get out of w/e the fk i was doing and have one. i started trying to quit over two years ago, probably quit for at least a week about 25 times in that period. failed every time and here i am smoking a pack a day. but just in the past few weeks i've started to refuse my body cigarettes. say no in a nutshell. i believe i've reached the point where i'm ready to regulate my cig intake. i may fail a few times but i'll keep trying. the plan atm is to buy four packs of cigarettes on monday morning and MAKE them last the week. we'll see how that goes.

You are right, people do make bad decisions. I make bad decisions. It is not my place to judge others for the food they eat. I didnt mean to make anyone feel bad who isnt eating like they want to be eating. It was a little observation more than anything else.

Cigarettes, well, I started to feel terrible about smoking those eventually. The smell, the ashes, the cost. The health was like the last thing on my mind, all the other stuff is what drove me nuts.

I have been rocking an e-cig for over 2 years now. Everything I disliked about cigarettes is gone. Some say it might still cause health damage but I am fine with taking that risk. I love nicotine, have no intentions of giving it up.

[joe]

100% false. Most people do not just eat whatever whenever.

Yes some small percentage of people do that, but to say most people do that is misguided at best.

Yeah, it is definitely a wide generalization. Maybe not MOST, I cannot prove that claim. But it is definitely a thing that occurs.

[RidonKs]

yeah. e-cigs. i gotta get on that wagon. i began to hate cigarettes even to the point of occasionally gagging as i choke down one too many to the bitter end.

i didn't mean to imply you might be hurting anybody's feelings. in fact the way you wrote the op pretty much guarantees nobody is going to get offended by it, so koodos on that.

btw i think you're in every right and in fact well within your nature to judge everybody around you. the issue isn't avoiding judgment, its constraining it in the way it a) influencing your actions and b) influences your interactions. and at the core of each and every one of those personal judgments needs to be a burning skepticism that you've assumed too much and don't know enough about x (person, place, thing, idea, etc etc etc etc).

[joe]

And you know what I blame it on the professionals who are supposed to provide the correct information regarding health but are pretty much bought out by the multi-trillion dollar junk food/fast food industry.

Even healthy foods aren't healthy: many are jam packed with sugar and processed with other chemicals. I've come to the conclusion if you want to be healthy, you are going to have to eat raw and avoid sugar at all cost. A bit of sugar is ok, but people are consuming massive amounts that are leading to all sorts of weight problems.

Sugar is an additive, and like all additives, they are addicting, so people are literally getting addicted to food and they don't even know it.

That is why science cannot always be trusted 100%. Peer reviewed science, paid for through donations or some form of non-biased money.... definitely. Science like, ''proven to reduce the risk of heart disease!''on a cookie label? Nabisco can pay a scientist a bunch of money to complete a study that finds certain results.

[joe]

yeah. e-cigs. i gotta get on that wagon. i began to hate cigarettes even to the point of occasionally gagging as i choke down one too many to the bitter end.

i didn't mean to imply you might be hurting anybody's feelings. in fact the way you wrote the op pretty much guarantees nobody is going to get offended by it, so koodos on that.

btw i think you're in every right and in fact well within your nature to judge everybody around you. the issue isn't avoiding judgment, its constraining it in the way it a) influencing your actions and b) influences your interactions. and at the core of each and every one of those personal judgments needs to be a burning skepticism that you've assumed too much and don't know enough about x (person, place, thing, idea, etc etc etc etc).

I think it is hard to be sure of anything. That is what makes philosophy or sociology so eventually frustrating to me, even though it always draws me in with its sweet charms. When the greatest philosophers really thought about it, they couldn't even be sure if they existed. ''I think, therefore I am.'' The search to know.. is a rabbit hole.

E cigs... what can I say, I think they are amazing. I always temper that by saying, some smokers just do not like them. Not sure why. It makes them cough. They prefer the flavor of cigarettes. A lot of times, I think they just try inferior products, predictably dont like it, and then forever dislike e-cigs. On my first try, I took a huge gamble and bought an $85 battery. Spent $200 total after all the supplies I bought. If I didnt like it I would have been out 200. But I loved it so it worked out.

[RidonKs]

That is why science cannot always be trusted 100%. Peer reviewed science, paid for through donations or some form of non-biased money.... definitely. Science like, ''proven to reduce the risk of heart disease!''on a cookie label? Nabisco can pay a scientist a bunch of money to complete a study that finds certain results.
the spin is everywhere

i remember a long thread on this site that maybe you were involved in joe about smoking which turned into dresta debating a serious people on the reality of second hand smoke. he seemed pretty convinced it was mostly a load of bunk propagated by the government for political purposes. i never looked much into it except for a small section of a study he linked to prove his point. actually i think the person he was arguing with linked the study. he was at least very convincing and i think right in the point he was making, at least regarding that particular study.

sources are so crucially important. the digital revolution and the internet has not been successful in offering people a variety of sources; in fact i think we're culturally trending in the opposite direction speaking for the west generally. think about jstor; remember that tech whiz who killed himself because he was being taken to court for i think hacking into jstor to make publicly funded academic research available to THE PUBLIC. that's one interesting aspect.

or consider the way search engines are designed... its driven by an algorithm that considers a) popularity and b) advertising. aaaaand that's pretty much it. that's no way to design a modern communications network. that's just plain dumb. of course it's not like it costs you an arm and a leg to take the extra step necessary to pursue sources you aren't likely to encounter in the mainstream. but the fact that around the western world people DON'T take those extra steps is pretty much all the evidence you need. and it's glaring.

net neutrality is another super important issue that is on the fringe of public attention and occasionally trends big like during the SOPA/PIPA bills but is typically left off of people's primary political agenda. which is a shame since its unimaginably important if the future is going to be forgiving to us.

[RidonKs]

I think it is hard to be sure of anything. That is what makes philosophy or sociology so eventually frustrating to me, even though it always draws me in with its sweet charms. When the greatest philosophers really thought about it, they couldn't even be sure if they existed. ''I think, therefore I am.'' The search to know.. is a rabbit hole.
one quote man, the only one i know that's really held significance for me over a long period of time

"the only thing i know is that i know nothing"

everybody may hate iamrambo on this site and maybe he acts like a douche sometimes but he is espousing probably the most pressing message that people [obligatory skepticism] only in my humble opinion of course i cant speak for anybody else [/obligatory skepticism] NEED TO HEAR. and it's pretty much what you seem to be saying here too.

the big thing to bear in mind is that while "the only thing i know is that i know nothing" does undermine your entire intellect, it is also completely unrealistic. which makes it idealistic at the same time it remains very useful to our lives. you can't live in the real world assuming everything you think is wrong. in fact you have to assume the opposite.

this is just common sense healthy skepticism in my opinion and at least everybody i've met in my life so far is capable of it even if it isn't as intuitive for them as it is for me.



determining what's so great about "the only thing i know is that i know nothing" is a whole other matter entirely that i won't pursue now. maybe it in fact makes people vicious and bad, i'm no expert just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. but i can honestly say it's done wonders for me.

[Godzuki]

Most people just eat whatever tastes good to them. Flavor should not be the guideline by which you choose your food. It seems insane to live your life that way, to me.

Sometimes I want oreos.. I do not eat them. Sometimes I want soda.. I do not drink it. It is an active choice to limit myself from certain foods.

I am not saying everyone should be a nutrition nut. But it is okay to tell your body No every now and then.


eating is like sex, like air conditioning w/ a soda in a glass of ice sitting in a recliner after playing a game of ball in the hot sun. good for u if you don't take much pleasure in it but many people do, and you're probably missing out on pleasures of life.

eating for sustenance is overrated. been there not long ago, looked/felt great, but rather eat the bad foods thaat tastes great than cut them out completely to be a health freak.

i just don't think people have been exposed to good food and then they talk like u.

[joe]

eating is like sex, like air conditioning w/ a soda in a glass of ice sitting in a recliner after playing a game of ball in the hot sun. good for u if you don't take much pleasure in it but many people do, and you're probably missing out on pleasures of life.

eating for sustenance is overrated. been there not long ago, looked/felt great, but rather eat the bad foods thaat tastes great than cut them out completely to be a health freak.

i just don't think people have been exposed to good food and then they talk like u.

To be honest, I eat for pleasure all the damn time. I just completely avoid certain types of food. I don't eat any grains besides white rice, and I don't eat any food with added sugar. From there, I still have meat, poultry, fish, dairy, fruit, vegetables, nuts.

I pretty much always eat for pleasure. I love every single thing that I eat. Sometimes I do miss pizza, soda, etc, but it is a strict rule to not eat them. There are substitutes anyway. For soda, we mix seltzer with juice. For pizza, you can use coconut flour instead of wheat flower. There are ways around mostly everything.

And I really don't think everyone needs to be so extreme. This is an important value in my life but not everyone feels that way. To me, I feel like.. my soul is housed inside my body. I need my body to feel good or else my soul will be trapped inside an uncomfortable place. How could I enjoy my existence if my body is not feeling okay?

[Norcaliblunt]

Not weird in the least when the economic structure we live in highly encourages you to consume, consume, consume. With billions of dollars spent on marketing, and engineering food to get you addicted, in social reality you are looked at as the weird one when you eat healthy. There's a big psy-op out there fellas, whether it's food, drugs, sex, or whatever. What is weird is that people would expect it to be any other way.

[oarabbus]

eating is like sex, like air conditioning w/ a soda in a glass of ice sitting in a recliner after playing a game of ball in the hot sun. good for u if you don't take much pleasure in it but many people do, and you're probably missing out on pleasures of life.

eating for sustenance is overrated. been there not long ago, looked/felt great, but rather eat the bad foods thaat tastes great than cut them out completely to be a health freak.

i just don't think people have been exposed to good food and then they talk like u.


"He probably hasn't had good food then" is the dumbest shit I've ever read.

[Godzuki]

"He probably hasn't had good food then" is the dumbest shit I've ever read.


u probably haven't read enough dumb shit then :confusedshrug:

i know quite a few people who eat the same thing over and over again, and its always plain shit like P&J sandwiches, or whatever thats easy and cheap. i know a girl who has never had chinese food, probably azn food in general except i didn't think to ask after being incredulous she's never had chinese. there are a lot of people who won't try anything outside of their culture too. either way while 'good food' might be relative, there are a lot of mf'ers who are happy with plain, same shit day in day out with very little awareness of 'good tasting foods' out there. in fact a lot of them are some cheap mf'ers too when it comes to food.

[Godzuki]

To be honest, I eat for pleasure all the damn time. I just completely avoid certain types of food. I don't eat any grains besides white rice, and I don't eat any food with added sugar. From there, I still have meat, poultry, fish, dairy, fruit, vegetables, nuts.

I pretty much always eat for pleasure. I love every single thing that I eat. Sometimes I do miss pizza, soda, etc, but it is a strict rule to not eat them. There are substitutes anyway. For soda, we mix seltzer with juice. For pizza, you can use coconut flour instead of wheat flower. There are ways around mostly everything.

And I really don't think everyone needs to be so extreme. This is an important value in my life but not everyone feels that way. To me, I feel like.. my soul is housed inside my body. I need my body to feel good or else my soul will be trapped inside an uncomfortable place. How could I enjoy my existence if my body is not feeling okay?


what about fried foods tho? you're missing otu big time in terms of tastes with zero fried allowed. i quit fried for awhile and yeah i was much healthier, well that and sugar....but missing fried shrimp, fried chicken, wings, fries, fried clam strips, etc. etc. is truly cutting out tasteful food IMO. especially if u like bar food. i have a much easier time cutting out sugar than fried stuff. in fact sugar has been easy for the most part, but fried is hard as fukk to go a few months without.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I try to avoid calorie dense foods like Oreos for the most part. 6 cookies are what, 450 calories?! That's comparable to 7 ounces of steak or a whopping 11 ounces of chicken breast with cooking spray. The latter two meals will be miles more satiating and useful nutritionally. Junk food is wasted calories.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Better not to diet and up the activity level

[Godzuki]

i heard on the radio this morning that salmon from the UK has 5x's the fat of normal salmon, and is worse for you than a bacon cheeseburger :confusedshrug:

[BuGzBuNNy]

I'm currently in a long going process of getting a list of nutritious food items to substitute for my favorite junk foods. Theres also a difference between healthy foods and foods that make your body feel good (at least for the moment). It would be cool to no longer eat food because it tastes good but instead eat it because it was healthy or made my body feel good. Is it worth it, though, to lose that pleasure? Maybe once I can get my list together

[joe]

[QUOTE=BuGzBuNNy]I'm currently in a long going process of getting a list of nutritious food items to substitute for my favorite junk foods. Theres also a difference between healthy foods and foods that make your body feel good (at least for the moment). It would be cool to no longer eat food because it tastes good but instead eat it because it was healthy or made my body feel good. Is it worth it, though, to lose that pleasure? Maybe once I can get my list together

[joe]

what about fried foods tho? you're missing otu big time in terms of tastes with zero fried allowed. i quit fried for awhile and yeah i was much healthier, well that and sugar....but missing fried shrimp, fried chicken, wings, fries, fried clam strips, etc. etc. is truly cutting out tasteful food IMO. especially if u like bar food. i have a much easier time cutting out sugar than fried stuff. in fact sugar has been easy for the most part, but fried is hard as fukk to go a few months without.

I only eat certain types of cooking oil. I could fry, but it would be more expensive because I do not use vegetable oil.

I don't think there is anything wrong with eating foods you love, just with awareness if it is unhealthy. I think the worst is mindlessly eating unhealthy things all of the time because it is just a habit, or giving in to constant unhealthy indulgence.

[joe]

[QUOTE=BuGzBuNNy]I'm currently in a long going process of getting a list of nutritious food items to substitute for my favorite junk foods. Theres also a difference between healthy foods and foods that make your body feel good (at least for the moment). It would be cool to no longer eat food because it tastes good but instead eat it because it was healthy or made my body feel good. Is it worth it, though, to lose that pleasure? Maybe once I can get my list together

[IamRAMBO24]

everybody may hate iamrambo on this site and maybe he acts like a douche sometimes but he is espousing probably the most pressing message that people [obligatory skepticism] only in my humble opinion of course i cant speak for anybody else [/obligatory skepticism] NEED TO HEAR. and it's pretty much what you seem to be saying here too.
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Thank you. Only the smart posters in here will recognize my true intent. I only speak and defend good values, ethics, and morality. You will never see me on the side of evil, which sadly, over 80% of ISH posters (especially ilks like Nick Young, KevNYC, longhorn, Godzuki, etc.) are constantly defending due to their inability to introspect their own minds and find a higher truth other than the ones they are constantly being fed from external sources.

Smart posters understand me; dumb posters don't. Sadly the latter are the majority on ISH.

Sometimes I feel so lonely.

[BuGzBuNNy]

By the way, I eat great food allll of the time. Eating healthy is not some bare bones painful experience. Buy a bunch of good spices (no sugar or unnatural ingredients). Throw on some chicken, spice it up, cook it in hot sauce (again, no added sugar or unnatural ingredients). Fresh green beans on the side with salt, pepper, and oil cooking in the pan. Since I started eating healthy last year my meal quality went way up.
Thing for me is having readily accessible foods that I can just grab and eat. Having to put something on the stove or in the oven just isn't as convenient as grabbing something out of the pantry. The most I want to do is put a boneless skinless chicken breast on the george foreman for 8 minutes. Anything requiring more of my time than that I'd have a hard time adding to my routine.

One important factor is that if you cut out sugary snacks, things like apples and pineapples taste SO much better. Your tolerance for sugar goes down if you cut out snack foods. The more dramatic you cut it, the quicker the tolerance goes down.
This should definitely help, I'll keep that in mind

[Norcaliblunt]

Healthiest stuff you can eat is raw meat, raw eggs, and raw fat. If it's aged and fermented even better.

[joe]

Thing for me is having readily accessible foods that I can just grab and eat. Having to put something on the stove or in the oven just isn't as convenient as grabbing something out of the pantry. The most I want to do is put a boneless skinless chicken breast on the george foreman for 8 minutes. Anything requiring more of my time than that I'd have a hard time adding to my routine.

This should definitely help, I'll keep that in mind

Cooking often is a huge adjustment. It helps that my brother does it along with me, and we always share the cooking responsibilities. Even still, it took me a few years to really make the switch. I knew that I wanted to eat healthier years before I was mentally ready to do it. I would try and fail. Try and fail. Not try for a while. One of those times it eventually clicked. So who knows where you will be in a few years.

There are a lot of little quick snacks that I eat, but since I cut out bread yes.... every meal I eat requires cooking.

Snacks...

Raisins + Peanut Butter, with a glass of milk
Potato Chips + Cheddar cheese
Pickles. Olives. Canned black olives.
Canned vegetables, just eaten cold.
Apples, pineapple, fruits.
Dark chocolate.
Constant tea drinker. Honey really puts sugar cravings to rest.
Sliced cucumbers + salt

I basically snack a lot throughout the day and then eat one really good meal.

Good luck on your journey :cheers:

[Norcaliblunt]

You guys might think I'm crazy, but seriously I highly suggest you do not cook your food unless they are vegetables or grains. A raw meat/raw fat diet will heal you up, and have you living optimally in no time.

[joe]

You guys might think I'm crazy, but seriously I highly suggest you do not cook your food unless they are vegetables or grains. A raw meat/raw fat diet will heal you up, and have you living optimally in no time.

I think that sounds extremely grossssss. But do you do that? What is the reasoning.. I will throw a guess that cooking burns out some of the healthyness?

[IamRAMBO24]

Cooking often is a huge adjustment. It helps that my brother does it along with me, and we always share the cooking responsibilities. Even still, it took me a few years to really make the switch. I knew that I wanted to eat healthier years before I was mentally ready to do it. I would try and fail. Try and fail. Not try for a while. One of those times it eventually clicked. So who knows where you will be in a few years.

There are a lot of little quick snacks that I eat, but since I cut out bread yes.... every meal I eat requires cooking.

Snacks...

Raisins + Peanut Butter, with a glass of milk
Potato Chips + Cheddar cheese
Pickles. Olives. Canned black olives.
Canned vegetables, just eaten cold.
Apples, pineapple, fruits.
Dark chocolate.
Constant tea drinker. Honey really puts sugar cravings to rest.
Sliced cucumbers + salt

I basically snack a lot throughout the day and then eat one really good meal.

Good luck on your journey :cheers:

IMO, I think the best carb killer is salad. Eat the sh*t out of it. The craving just goes away.

[joe]

IMO, I think the best carb killer is salad. Eat the sh*t out of it. The craving just goes away.

Yeah I don't know why I haven't gotten on the salad band wagon. I love salad, but I never make it.

Me and my brother make this taco salad, it completely shut down my taco bell cravings. haha. Just make some chop meat spiced with cumin+red pepper+garlic powder+onion powder, whatever else you desire. After its done, throw on some lettuce and cheddar cheese (do not cook the cheddar cheese in it, or you lose its flavor). Tomatoes or whatever else you like on a taco. Man......... good as hell.

[GimmeThat]

there might be a difference between physical labor work and being a professional athlete.

I'm just saying.

[BuGzBuNNy]

Cooking often is a huge adjustment. It helps that my brother does it along with me, and we always share the cooking responsibilities. Even still, it took me a few years to really make the switch. I knew that I wanted to eat healthier years before I was mentally ready to do it. I would try and fail. Try and fail. Not try for a while. One of those times it eventually clicked. So who knows where you will be in a few years.

There are a lot of little quick snacks that I eat, but since I cut out bread yes.... every meal I eat requires cooking.

Snacks...

Raisins + Peanut Butter, with a glass of milk
Potato Chips + Cheddar cheese
Pickles. Olives. Canned black olives.
Canned vegetables, just eaten cold.
Apples, pineapple, fruits.
Dark chocolate.
Constant tea drinker. Honey really puts sugar cravings to rest.
Sliced cucumbers + salt

I basically snack a lot throughout the day and then eat one really good meal.

Good luck on your journey :cheers::cheers:

[IamRAMBO24]

Yeah I don't know why I haven't gotten on the salad band wagon. I love salad, but I never make it.

Me and my brother make this taco salad, it completely shut down my taco bell cravings. haha. Just make some chop meat spiced with cumin+red pepper+garlic powder+onion powder, whatever else you desire. After its done, throw on some lettuce and cheddar cheese (do not cook the cheddar cheese in it, or you lose its flavor). Tomatoes or whatever else you like on a taco. Man......... good as hell.

That sounds like a really good healthy combo. I got to try that sometimes. It sounds like it has everything: meat and cheese for the satiety and salads for the sugar/carb cravings.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

You guys might think I'm crazy, but seriously I highly suggest you do not cook your food unless they are vegetables or grains. A raw meat/raw fat diet will heal you up, and have you living optimally in no time.

Elaborate.

What type of meats and fats? And how much is this costing. Thanks.

[irondarts]

Thing for me is having readily accessible foods that I can just grab and eat. Having to put something on the stove or in the oven just isn't as convenient as grabbing something out of the pantry. The most I want to do is put a boneless skinless chicken breast on the george foreman for 8 minutes. Anything requiring more of my time than that I'd have a hard time adding to my routine.

This was an issue for me. I work all day long and then come home and take a bike ride every night - so I would get home exhausted not wanting to cook. So now every Sunday I cook the meat I will be eating that week and throw it int he fridge. It's a lot easier and I can't use being tired as an excuse for just heating up some junk. Now I just re-heat the cooked meat and throw together a salad or veggie.

[Godzuki]

Healthiest stuff you can eat is raw meat, raw eggs, and raw fat. If it's aged and fermented even better.


raw meat :wtf:

[Nastradamus]

The opposite is just as true though. People nitpick the potential risk of every single thing they eat. Yeesh. Life is not risk proof, enjoy it a little.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Anyone know why Elijah Muhammad recommended eating only bread, navy beans, and some vegetables once a day?

Herschel Walker did something similar.

[AkronAngel]

Is this the ISH nutrition advice column?

[Prometheus]

The saddest thing about this is that when one begins to place the highest value on nutrition and the chemical effectiveness of the organism, one naturally begins to cultivate a preference for healthy food. There is a period of adjustment required, much like quitting an addictive drug, but the transition is self-rewarding.

[oarabbus]

Anyone know why Elijah Muhammad recommended eating only bread, navy beans, and some vegetables once a day?

Herschel Walker did something similar.

Muhammad died at 77. A fine length of life indeed but it's not like the 90-100+ people.

The "only eat bread beans and veggies" is garbage, it's not like it's magic but a diet of rice, lentils, and veggies will have you drop dead.

The once a day part though - read up about "intermittent fasting" there's a lot of research on it and it's pretty convincing that long periods of fasting (which is what 1 meal a day will do to you) has beneficial effects on longevity.

[GimmeThat]

Same can probably be said for sex.

[hateraid]

Quality of food matters more than what you eat.
I've learned this from a friend who lived in Switzerland. They eat by North American standards garbage. Cheese, beer, chocolate, pastries loaded with butter, burgers.....EVERYDAY!
The difference is the produce and products are mainly organic and not processed. They are all bought from specialty places. Hence why their life spans are one longest in the world. Quality of life is better too in terms of health care, minimum wage, average income...

If we decided and could afford to go to specialty shops like bakeries, cheese shops, local craft brew, butchers, organic farmer's markets....Places that don't have heavy processing, we could potentially eat whatever we want!

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Quality of food matters more than what you eat.
I've learned this from a friend who lived in Switzerland. They eat by North American standards garbage. Cheese, beer, chocolate, pastries loaded with butter, burgers.....EVERYDAY!
The difference is the produce and products are mainly organic and not processed. They are all bought from specialty places. Hence why their life spans are one longest in the world. Quality of life is better too in terms of health care, minimum wage, average income...

If we decided and could afford to go to specialty shops like bakeries, cheese shops, local craft brew, butchers, organic farmer's markets....Places that don't have heavy processing, we could potentially eat whatever we want!

They also walk and smile and don't stress themselves out broseph.

[oarabbus]

Quality of food matters more than what you eat.
I've learned this from a friend who lived in Switzerland. They eat by North American standards garbage. Cheese, beer, chocolate, pastries loaded with butter, burgers.....EVERYDAY!
The difference is the produce and products are mainly organic and not processed. They are all bought from specialty places. Hence why their life spans are one longest in the world. Quality of life is better too in terms of health care, minimum wage, average income...

If we decided and could afford to go to specialty shops like bakeries, cheese shops, local craft brew, butchers, organic farmer's markets....Places that don't have heavy processing, we could potentially eat whatever we want!


They may eat all that but they don't eat very much and keep the calories down. Otherwise they'd be fat and unhealthy.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

IMO, I think the best carb killer is salad. Eat the sh*t out of it. The craving just goes away.

I crave papaya/mango/pineapple/berries/icecream like a mad man, but dropping olive oil shots quickly put an end to that, especially with sufficient meat and eggs.

[Budadiiii]

I crave papaya/mango/pineapple/berries/icecream like a mad man, but dropping olive oil shots quickly put an end to that, especially with sufficient meat and eggs.
:applause:

[hateraid]

They may eat all that but they don't eat very much and keep the calories down. Otherwise they'd be fat and unhealthy.
They actually indulge very much in these foods. The body will find a way to metabolize these foods if they are eaten consistently. The point I was making it's not so much what you eat, but the quality of the food and less stress in your life. Food with no preservatives or processing is better than the "healthier" choices in North America

[Velocirap31]

Too bad it's also far more expensive to eat healthy. I'm still enjoying my young metabolism and exercising, but I know it won't last. The government should subsidize healthy food substantially to bring it into affordability. Prices are much better in the states probably, but in Canada, fresh produce is basically gold now.

[CasterL]

I think most people don't understand how scientific the whole calories/weight gain/weight loss/nutrition thing is. It needs to be taught in schools properly, a lot of people are unhappy with their weight, but it seems like a dark art to them. Especially with all the conflicting info out there "carbs bad" "no sat fats" "no sugars" "ketosis" "fasting" etc etc

I bet a fair amount of people in this thread had far less of a handle on things before they got into lifting and stumbled across the relevant BB related science and nutrition. My fat ass didn't have a clue.

On IIFYM ....Got to love this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd8tZiHexPc

[ThePhantomCreep]

They also walk and smile and don't stress themselves out broseph.

Their portions are undoubtedly smaller too.

That's the single biggest reason for the obesity epidemic in America. Our portion sizes are out of control, and because they're fat and carb heavy, they actually make people hungrier.

[BigNBAfan]

What do you mean by limit? Any food is fine in moderation, any food is horrible in excessive intake. Simple...

[oarabbus]

They actually indulge very much in these foods. The body will find a way to metabolize these foods if they are eaten consistently. The point I was making it's not so much what you eat, but the quality of the food and less stress in your life. Food with no preservatives or processing is better than the "healthier" choices in North America


No way dude. If they are getting 3000+ calorie a day drinking beer eating buttery cheeseburgers and desserts they would be fat. Period. To be honest it's QUANITITY not quality of food. I mean quality of food is also very important but hell, there was that guy who lost weight eating twinkies all day but keeping low calories. Or the fact that a group of Japanese who eat 1200 calories a day have the longest or second longest lifespans on the planet.

[DeuceWallaces]

Quality of food matters more than what you eat.
I've learned this from a friend who lived in Switzerland. They eat by North American standards garbage. Cheese, beer, chocolate, pastries loaded with butter, burgers.....EVERYDAY!
The difference is the produce and products are mainly organic and not processed. They are all bought from specialty places. Hence why their life spans are one longest in the world. Quality of life is better too in terms of health care, minimum wage, average income...

If we decided and could afford to go to specialty shops like bakeries, cheese shops, local craft brew, butchers, organic farmer's markets....Places that don't have heavy processing, we could potentially eat whatever we want!

That's all conjecture.

[ILLsmak]

American food is shit. The kind of stuff you get a fast food or whatever, or candy bars. lol If you don't know any better, you would eat it.

But once you know, it's almost impossible to eat it. At least for me, it is.

I can easily avoid ice cream because I imagine eating a frozen piece of fat. Plus shit that is too sugary makes me feel like shit nowadays.

I dunno how people can just drink a coke or whatever with every ****ing meal. Like people don't even drink water. That's the part I don't get.

Most people would lose a shitload of weight if they just stopped drinking all beverages but water, esp alcoholic ones. I dunno how people can pound 8 beers, either. I don't even wanna drink 8 glasses of water.

-Smak

[bdreason]

People still eat Oreo's? You know there's a lot better cookies out there. Just saying.


And I have an insane metabolism. I'm also very active, but I can eat whatever I want, whenever I want, in any amount that I want... and I won't gain weight. When I trained I had to increase my caloric intake to around 5k per day to gain/maintain weight. :eek:

[joe]

Almost two years for me doing strict Primal Blueprint, an offshoot of Paleo. No pizza, no macaroni, no bread, no fast food, no cake, no cookies, etc etc etc.

My goal isn't to do paleo my whole life though. My goal is to keep eating healthy. If I feel in the future that paleo isn't the healthiest style of eating, I will definitely switch.

I feel great, always have energy, and I eat amazing tasting food all the time. I never feel too full after eating, that sickening feeling you get after consuming pasta or whatever. After I eat, I feel great and full of energy.

I am really slim, but I have always been. I have only lost like 5 pounds in the two years of this diet. My little brother lost like 40 pounds doing it with me. Kid looks good, gets compliments all the time.

If you want to lose weight, and you are not going to make every excuse in the book to avoid having to put any effort into losing weight.... switch to this diet. Guaranteed you will lose weight. No doubt about it 100%.

It's not even a ''diet,'' in the sense of it being restrictive and denying you access to good food. I am so happy with the foods I eat, I eat great food all the time. People are like.. ''but how do you live without pasta, you are crazy.'' I eat such amazing foods so often, I do not care or give a shit to skip pasta and the disgusting way it makes you feel. Eat some spaghetti squash with natural tomato puree, loaded with vegetables and ground beef and spices. Just as good as pasta if not better. People just don't want to see the light. They'd rather judge and talk about what they ''can't'' do.


And, eating healthy is not about living longer for me. I would love to live long, yes, but I could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Eating healthy is to feel good every day, to not have my soul trapped inside of a body that is in pain, sick, uncomfortable, unhealthy. My body is my temple, yadda yadda.

[hateraid]

That's all conjecture.

So someone who has personal experience living in this country and statistics that actually back those claims is making it up?

Avg weight (heaviest to lightest)
USA 180lb (3rd in the world)
Switzerland 156lb (36th in the world)

Life expectancy
Switzerland 82.8(10th)
USA 79.8 (36th)

Ball don't lie!

[NumberSix]

That's all conjecture.
You don't know what you're talking about.

[hateraid]

We all know the Swiss are a bunch of pencil necked geeks

Look at this man don

USA got strong ass dudes

Hey I agree. I know we could walk in there and stomp a mudhole in them. I'm just saying they live longer, eat great foods, and live happier.

[Draz]

I'm skinny af I can eat what I want when I want and I can out eat people twice my weight at buffets
Ultimate fat ass right here

[oarabbus]

So someone who has personal experience living in this country and statistics that actually back those claims is making it up?

Avg weight (heaviest to lightest)
USA 180lb (3rd in the world)
Switzerland 156lb (36th in the world)

Life expectancy
Switzerland 82.8(10th)
USA 79.8 (36th)

Ball don't lie!




The energy intake among the Swiss – in the form of calories – has not changed much over the past 30 years, but since people are not as active, the number of overweight and obese people remains at a constantly high level, the report said.
Both adults and children are effected. Some 46 per cent of adult men and 20 per cent of adult women are overweight or obese.

So yeah, like I said. They're fat. Not AS fat as Americans, but all that chocolate, butter, cheese, and beer you were talking about - it's making them fat. You're trying to act like you can indulge on cheeseburgers and beer and stay skinny, not likely.

Switzerland also has absolutely incredible health care which entirely accounts for the 3 year life expectancy you posted.


http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-given-poor-marks-for-diet/34797632



I'm skinny af I can eat what I want when I want and I can out eat people twice my weight at buffets
Ultimate fat ass right here


you CAN out eat people twice your weight, but what's your daily food consumption like? If you're skinny I'm guessing either you don't eat too much on a daily basis, or you have a very high activity level.

[highwhey]

I'm skinny af I can eat what I want when I want and I can out eat people twice my weight at buffets
Ultimate fat ass right here
Oh yeah, well i can probably out-m@sterbate you

[BRabbiT]

... Yeesh..


nah, disagree.

amount of shitt manufacturers are putting in food nowadays. to preserve perishability, to trigger the sweet tooth, etc.

watch. what. you. eat.