Is Duncan the best player for Team USA to not win gold?

[spacebump]

Only counting the international era from when NBA players could play onward. He has got to be the best player for USA without a gold right?

[Real14]

Iverson.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Iverson.
Is iverson better than kobe?

[Real14]

Is iverson better than kobe?
Kobe have 2 gold medals.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Kobe have 2 gold medals.
You implied iverson>duncan, which is incredibly stupid.

Seeing as duncan is superior to kobe, I was trying to get you to think about it.
Sadly that failed.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Duncan would have a Gold Medal but he whined and whined and FIBA officiating and refused to play for Team USA after a tournament or two.

[Real14]

You implied iverson>duncan, which is incredibly stupid.

Seeing as duncan is superior to kobe, I was trying to get you to think about it.
Sadly that failed.
I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

[Hoopz2332]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.


:coleman:

[Myth]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

Where's my neg function?

[Nowitness]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

will neg multiple times soon.

pop almost got fired because he was doing such a shitty ripoff job of sloan's system, the very system that a top 3 pf of all time couldnt do shit with.

[MP.Trey]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.
Future negged

[HOoopCityJones]

LOL @ the nut hugging for Duncan

[Beastmode88]

I see why people hate Knick fans so much. Some of the stuff that comes out of Real14's mouth is unreal. :facepalm

[Nowitness]

LOL @ the nut hugging for Duncan

if saying duncan is much better than ai is nut hugging then so be it. because its the truth. :facepalm

[bukowski81]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

When Duncan was drafted Pop was a nobody. ll bet my house that if Pop started his career with Iverson instead of Duncan he wouldnt be half the coach he is today.

[stalkerforlife]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

This nicca ain't afraid to stand on his own.

:applause:

I do disagree, though. :lol

[HurricaneKid]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

Dear. God.

Get this man to rehab. On the double.

[nightprowler10]

Man, Realkid put all these disclaimers on the post that this is just personal opinion, but people are still ripping on him as if he's proclaiming AI the best.

[Smoke117]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

:whatever:

[SamuraiSWISH]

LOL @ the nut hugging for Duncan
Usually by casuals who want to be viewed as "hardcore basketball fans" ... the red carpet of excuses is always laid out for this guy. It never stops. Meanwhile everyone else gets over anlayzed, and critiqued.

[Myth]

Usually by casuals who want to be viewed as "hardcore basketball fans" ... the red carpet of excuses is always laid out for this guy. It never stops. Meanwhile everyone else gets over anlayzed, and critiqued.

So ranking Duncan over Iverson makes people Duncan nut-huggers that want to be viewed as "hardcore basketball fans"? Ok buddy.

[MP.Trey]

Man, Realkid put all these disclaimers on the post that this is just personal opinion, but people are still ripping on him as if he's proclaiming AI the best.
If I say George Gervin > Shaq and say it's just my opinion. You think I'm not going to get ripped for it? The fact that it's an opinion doen't make it any less wrong.

[SamuraiSWISH]

So ranking Duncan over Iverson makes people Duncan nut-huggers that want to be viewed as "hardcore basketball fans"? Ok buddy.
I didn't say that, I am referring to the Duncan "nut hugging" and his perpetual red carpet of excuses. Guy was absolute ass in the 2004 Olympics, and no one can deny that. He was the guy who needed to perform the best for us to win, and he failed miserably.

[Nowitness]

I didn't say that, I am referring to the Duncan "nut hugging" and his perpetual red carpet of excuses. Guy was absolute ass in the 2004 Olympics, and no one can deny that. He was the guy who needed to perform the best for us to win, and he failed miserably.

I made a whole thread calling you out where i explained how duncan didn't play like ass, and this was his worst game of the tourney.

i gave yOu clips and quotes and you had no response. all you do is go around posting saying 'duncan was ass'.

well, get in my thread and give me some examples of this. i have a lot more footage that proves you wrong.

this guy is legit the worst poster on this board. makes a blanket statement and as soon as someone calls him on it he goes into 'thats not what i mean' mode. :facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

I made a whole thread calling you out where i explained how duncan didn't play like ass, and this was his worst game of the tourney.

i gave yOu clips and quotes and you had no response. all you do is go around posting saying 'duncan was ass'.
I don't respect you enough to reply, or even really notice you. When you've been here for a year, I'll hit that thread up. Bookmarked even. Duncan was poor in the 2004 Olympics to the standards he should've been at, considering he was one of the top 3 players in the league, this is undeniable. Young AD just had a better tournament than prime Duncan.

[Myth]

I didn't say that, I am referring to the Duncan "nut hugging" and his perpetual red carpet of excuses. Guy was absolute ass in the 2004 Olympics, and no one can deny that. He was the guy who needed to perform the best for us to win, and he failed miserably.

Ok, well up to the point of the nut hugging post that you quoted, all the conversation was about Iverson vs Duncan, and not excuses for Duncan, so I hope you could see where I got that assumption.

[Nowitness]

I don't respect you enough to reply, or even really notice you. When you've been here for a year, I'll hit that thread up. Bookmarked even. Duncan was poor in the 2004 Olympics to the standards he should've been at, considering he was one of the top 3 players in the league, this is undeniable. Young AD just had a better tournament than prime Duncan.

More blanket statements with nothing to back them up. you've already admitted that you dont know what you are talking about because it should take you less than a minute to come up with a sensible reply.

he's talking about respecting people on the internet before he replies. crazy world. :roll:

[MP.Trey]

More blanket statements with nothing to back them up. you've already admitted that you dont know what you are talking about because it should take you less than a minute to come up with a sensible reply.

he's talking about respecting people on the internet before he replies. crazy world. :roll:
Lol Swish can be a good poster, but he just sounded like a pretentious jerkoff there.

[knicksman]

Considering how other USA teams destroyed their competition. Then it just shows how stupid people are for overrating the iverson/lebron/oscar type of players. Just look at what iverson did to team USA and his NBA teams. Just look at how underachieving bran is despite having the best team in the history. Two superstars at their prime. Nobody can match that. And robertson? LOL the guy is top 10 without a ring as the man.

[Hoopz2332]

I see why people hate Knick fans so much. Some of the stuff that comes out of Real14's mouth is unreal. :facepalm


Knicks fans are funny as hell:oldlol:

[Real14]

LOL @ the nut hugging for Duncan
Exactly man. They act like K.G, Sheed or Webber couldn't replace him back in the day. They probably would of done better than Duncan.

[Real14]

will neg multiple times soon.

pop almost got fired because he was doing such a shitty ripoff job of sloan's system, the very system that a top 3 pf of all time couldnt do shit with.

That sounds like bullshit to me.

[Real14]

I see why people hate Knick fans so much. Some of the stuff that comes out of Real14's mouth is unreal. :facepalm
So all of those star PFs like Webber, and K.G wouldn't replace Duncan or even do better in coach Pop's system? How many players you know that are talented like Iverson with his strength, quickness, height, and offensive game? You can't find too many players like Iverson.

[SpecialQue]

I know Duncan have more hardware than iverson but I personally think he is the better player. Duncan was blessed from being raised in coach pops and mentored by david robinson. That's just my personal opinion. Any star power forward could replace duncan.

Repped.

[Real14]

Repped.
Thanks for understanding bro.

[T_L_P]

That sounds like bullshit to me.

Actually, it's not.

"But by the time the Spurs were headed to Houston for the 15th game of a truncated schedule that left no time for early slumps, pressure on Pop wasn't coming solely from the public or the media. The belief among many of Pop's players was that the coach was on the brink of being fired."

There was no real system when Pop started. And there certainly wasn't any sort of good offensive system until around 06, when Duncan had already won 3 rings/2 MVPs/3 Finals MVP. He did take Sloan's/Jazz's ethos though.

But cmon man. If you seriously think Duncan could be replaced by Rasheed Wallace, I don't know what to say. And it's not even like you have anything to back that claim. It's just "that's my opinion." :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

not really fair cause tim didnt get to play with kobe like lebron did

[Real14]

If I say George Gervin > Shaq and say it's just my opinion. You think I'm not going to get ripped for it? The fact that it's an opinion doen't make it any less wrong.

Gervin and shaq is not the same as Iverson and Duncan.

[Real14]

But cmon man. If you seriously think Duncan could be replaced by Rasheed Wallace, I don't know what to say.:confusedshrug:
So Prime Sheed would not excel with pop and david robinson mentoring him?

[T_L_P]

So Prime Sheed would not excel with pop and david robinson mentoring him?

Excel? Probably. Have a bigger impact than Duncan? Not if he had 1000 chances.

Duncan's putting up better numbers than prime Sheed at 38 in a system that doesn't even run through him anymore. Having Popovich, who did very little to make Duncan a better player, doesn't change that.

[Myth]

Exactly man. They act like K.G, Sheed or Webber couldn't replace him back in the day. They probably would of done better than Duncan.

My god. :facepalm

[Real14]

My god. :facepalm
old K.G won a title with the Celtics but he couldn't win a few with the spurs in his prime?

[Real14]

Excel? Probably. Have a bigger impact than Duncan? Not if he had 1000 chances.

Duncan's putting up better numbers than prime Sheed at 38 in a system that doesn't even run through him anymore. Having Popovich, who did very little to make Duncan a better player, doesn't change that.
All I'm saying is put Sheed in Duncan's place? Especially in 1999 with this roster....

C D-ROB
PF SHEED
SF ELLIOTT
SG J.ACKSON
PG A.JOHNSON

BENCH

KERR
M.ROSE
DANIELS
ELIE and the rest.


That squad wouldn't win a title? Even in 2003, 2005, and 2007 he would win too.

[T_L_P]

All I'm saying is put Sheed in Duncan's place? Especially in 1999 with this roster....

C D-ROB
PF SHEED
SF ELLIOTT
SG J.ACKSON
PG A.JOHNSON

BENCH

KERR
M.ROSE
DANIELS
ELIE and the rest.


That squad wouldn't win a title? Even in 2003, 2005, and 2007 he would win too.

This was Sheed's team in 99:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1999.html

They were considered huge contenders before the season (Rasheed wasn't even a top 2 player on that team), perhaps more so than the Spurs. That team was stacked. They got swept by Duncan.

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Are you mental with 03 though? Duncan had the most Win Shares ever in a postseason that year. He averaged 25/15/5/3 with GOAT level defense. Sheed goes nowhere with that team...again, you have nothing to say he would other than "that's my opinion."

Your shtick is getting old. You don't like certain players. That doesn't mean they are not good. Duncan at 38 isn't much worse than prime Sheed. Peak Duncan is twice the player.

Only a Knicks fan would draft Rasheed ****ing Wallace before Tim Duncan. The guy has just one ring and he was arguably the 5th best player. I guess we know what's been wrong with them for so long. :confusedshrug:

[masonanddixon]

All I'm saying is put Sheed in Duncan's place? Especially in 1999 with this roster....

C D-ROB
PF SHEED
SF ELLIOTT
SG J.ACKSON
PG A.JOHNSON

BENCH

KERR
M.ROSE
DANIELS
ELIE and the rest.


That squad wouldn't win a title? Even in 2003, 2005, and 2007 he would win too.

Sheed's 1999-2000 Blazers were more talented than any supporting cast Duncan had to work with. Thats not to even mention that Duncan had to get past Shaq and Kobe with a rookie Manu (still excellent) and Parker.

Sheed isn't 1/5th the player Duncan is, not even on Duncan'w worst day.

[rmt]

All I'm saying is put Sheed in Duncan's place? Especially in 1999 with this roster....

C D-ROB
PF SHEED
SF ELLIOTT
SG J.ACKSON
PG A.JOHNSON

BENCH

KERR
M.ROSE
DANIELS
ELIE and the rest.


That squad wouldn't win a title? Even in 2003, 2005, and 2007 he would win too.

Are you really comparing that mental, head-case who never led a team anywhere significant to Duncan? Sure, Sheed was talented and skilled - but putting it all together and having the emotional/mental qualities to lead a team to a championship much less multiple championships? I don't think that describes Rasheed Wallace.