FIBA final statistics

[UK2K]

The USA team that was clowned on when Harden was named the leader, that everyone wrote off, the youngest Team USA since 1992, won by an average of 31 points per game. Too easy.

PPG & FG%
Harden 14.2, 53%, 41% 3pt
Thompson 12.7 52%, 41% 3pt
Faried 12.4 64%
Davis 12.3 55%
Irving 12.1 56%, 61% 3pt
Curry 10.7 41%, 44% 3pt
Cousins 9.6 70%
Gay 6.0 48%, 42% 3pt
Rose 4.8 25%, 5% 3pt No that 5% is not a typo.
Derozan 4.8 54%, 29% 3pt
Drummond 3.0 61%
Plumlee 2.3 60%


APG
Irving 3.6
Harden 3.2
Rose 3.1
Curry 2.9
Thompson 2.1
Gay 1.4
Derozan 1.2
Cousins 1.0
Davis 0.8
Faried 0.7
Plumlee 0.3
Drummond .1

RPG
Faried 7.8
Davis 6.6
Cousins 5.6
Gay 3.7
Harden 2.8
Curry 2.8
Irving 2.6
Drummond 2.5
Thompson 2.2
Plumlee 2.0
Rose 1.9

SPG
Harden 2.1
Irving 1.9
Cousins 1.3
Curry 1.2
Thompson 1.0
Gay 1.0
Davis 0.9
Rose 0.9
Derozan 0.8
Faried 0.6

BPG
Davis 2.1 (Only player above 1.0)

+/-
Harden 22.0
Irving 20.7
Faried 19.9
Curry 18.7
Thompson 17.7
Davis 17.2
Cousins 16.3
Gay 14.6
Rose 13.9
Derozan 5.8
Drummond -0.5
Plumlee -1.2

Our best lineup appeared to be

Irving
Curry
Harden
Faried
Davis

based solely on numbers. Nothing surprising there.

[JohnFreeman]

Cousins :applause:

[UK2K]

Granted I didnt watch all the games, but Rose....

He needed to shake the rust off before the regular season begins.

[AirTupac]

Rose looks like a prime Spanoullis out there.

[Inferno]

Lillard or Wall should have been in over Rose

[oarabbus]

Can't argue with the numbers, turns out Harden was really one of our best guys. Dude still needs to stop being such a Bogart on D.

[UK2K]

Can't argue with the numbers, turns out Harden was really one of our best guys. Dude still needs to stop being such a Bogart on D.

I think the 5 listed at the bottom, plus Cousins, were far and away our best players and it showed.

[RedBlackAttack]

The USA team that was clowned on when Harden was named the leader, that everyone wrote off, the youngest Team USA since 1992, won by an average of 31 points per game. Too easy.

PPG & FG%
Harden 14.2, 53%, 41% 3pt
Thompson 12.7 52%, 41% 3pt
Faried 12.4 64%
Davis 12.3 55%
Irving 12.1 56%, 61% 3pt
Curry 10.7 41%, 44% 3pt
Cousins 9.6 70%
Gay 6.0 48%, 42% 3pt
Rose 4.8 25%, 5% 3pt
Derozan 4.8 54%, 29% 3pt
Drummond 3.0 61%
Plumlee 2.3 60%

61% from three? That is complete insanity for a sample size this large. Granted, the line is a bit closer on the FIBA level, but Curry and Thompson were still hovering around their NBA averages. To shoot that kind of percentage from longrange? Let's just say that I think the best pure shooter in the NBA is completely debatable at this point, and Kyrie is in that conversation. Wait until he starts getting a lot of wide open spot-up looks on a regular basis.

Speaking of Thompson, he isn't getting enough love in the post-FIBA reaction threads. He was consistently solid on both ends throughout the tourney. Props to him.

[oarabbus]

I think the 5 listed at the bottom, plus Cousins, were far and away our best players and it showed.


I was impressed to see him take his NBA game and make it work in FIBA. I thought his eurostep, due to the controversial legality of the "gather step", wouldn't translate to FIBA. Instead the guy was making and1s all day, impressive

[Cocaine80s]

Derrick rose :roll:

****ing jeremy lin wouldve done better than him

[Cocaine80s]

61% from three? That is complete insanity for a sample size this large. Granted, the line is a bit closer on the FIBA level, but Curry and Thompson were still hovering around their NBA averages. To shoot that kind of percentage from longrange? Let's just say that I think the best pure shooter in the NBA is completely debatable at this point, and Kyrie is in that conversation. Wait until he starts getting a lot of wide open spot-up looks on a regular basis.

Speaking of Thompson, he isn't getting enough love in the post-FIBA reaction threads. He was consistently solid on both ends throughout the tourney. Props to him.
I seriously think Kyrie is gonna break out as a top 10 player this season. Last year was a rough patch but he looked amazing in the tournament

[UK2K]

61% from three? That is complete insanity for a sample size this large. Granted, the line is a bit closer on the FIBA level, but Curry and Thompson were still hovering around their NBA averages. To shoot that kind of percentage from longrange? Let's just say that I think the best pure shooter in the NBA is completely debatable at this point, and Kyrie is in that conversation. Wait until he starts getting a lot of wide open spot-up looks on a regular basis.

Speaking of Thompson, he isn't getting enough love in the post-FIBA reaction threads. He was consistently solid on both ends throughout the tourney. Props to him.

Irving was 6-6 from deep in the gold medal game, that surely boosted his %'s.

Not sure how many games they played, but Irving was hot no doubt about it. I think he'll greatly improve as a third option (because let's face it, thats what he will be). A career 38% 3pt shooter, if he can up that to 42% off easier looks, hes going to look so much better.

[SavageMode]

Irving with 61% FG from the 3-pt line.

Lebron will have a blast with this kid

[RedBlackAttack]

Irving was 6-6 from deep in the gold medal game, that surely boosted his %'s.

Not sure how many games they played, but Irving was hot no doubt about it. I think he'll greatly improve as a third option (because let's face it, thats what he will be). A career 38% 3pt shooter, if he can up that to 42% off easier looks, hes going to look so much better.
He hovered around 40% for most of his first two years in the league. It was a cold shooting start to his third season that had his percentage dip a bit, and that was mainly because defenses were focused on stopping him for 48 minutes of every game. That won't be possible on this team.

And, I expect him to the point guard on this team. Whether that means the first option, second option, third option or whatever... I don't really care. I'm sure each of these guys will fall differently in the pecking order based on the offensive set that we happen to be running at any given moment.

Basketball isn't nearly as black-and-white as some try to make it out to be. He'll get plenty of chances with the basketball in his hands, as will LeBron and Love.

[Nuff Said]

Kyrie plays really well when he's surrounded with other all stars. He may break out this season with love and lebron by his side. Shit it may be enough firepower to topple the mighty spurs.

[NuggetsFan]

61% from three? That is complete insanity for a sample size this large. Granted, the line is a bit closer on the FIBA level, but Curry and Thompson were still hovering around their NBA averages. To shoot that kind of percentage from longrange? Let's just say that I think the best pure shooter in the NBA is completely debatable at this point, and Kyrie is in that conversation. Wait until he starts getting a lot of wide open spot-up looks on a regular basis.

Speaking of Thompson, he isn't getting enough love in the post-FIBA reaction threads. He was consistently solid on both ends throughout the tourney. Props to him.

Why would you include something that happened internationally into an NBA conversation ? He was on the US national team and playing under a different set of rules/style than the NBA.

Kyrie shot 36% from 3 last year on 4.8 attempts in 71 games. 39% on similar attempts the year before, and 40% on one less attempt his rookie season. He's an 86% shooter from the FT line for his career and obviously a really good midrange shooter too.

Curry destroys those numbers. He blows Irving away %'s and volume from 3. Shoots better from the FT line and is at the very least comparable from midrange. Not sure how some international tournament changes any of that. I mean I get the bias, Faried lit it up. Gotta be a little objective.

[JohnFreeman]

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[RedBlackAttack]

Why would you include something that happened internationally into an NBA conversation ? He was on the US national team and playing under a different set of rules/style than the NBA.

Kyrie shot 36% from 3 last year on 4.8 attempts in 71 games. 39% on similar attempts the year before, and 40% on one less attempt his rookie season. He's an 86% shooter from the FT line for his career and obviously a really good midrange shooter too.

Curry destroys those numbers. He blows Irving away %'s and volume from 3. Shoots better from the FT line and is at the very least comparable from midrange. Not sure how some international tournament changes any of that. I mean I get the bias, Faried lit it up. Gotta be a little objective.
Spacing is incredibly important for jumpshooters. Having a threat like Klay Thompson playing across from you opens up the floor.

This season will be the first time Irving will be playing with anything resembling even decent spacing (and it should actually be fantastic). If the gap continues to be there in the shooting % after this season, I'll easily concede the topic.

But, for the first time in his career, Irving should be getting a lot of open looks. We'll see how it goes. I hope Kyrie is never the volume three-point shooter that Curry is, tbh, because his game should be centered around his ability to break defenses down off the dribble. But, he has a smooth, consistent, fundamentally sound shooting stroke from deep. That much is undeniable. He was the most consistent three-point shooter on this team, has won a three-point shooting competition and has been pretty much lights out every time he's had the opportunity to play with other elite guys.

Again, we'll see what happens.

[JohnFreeman]

When did Kyrie become so hated? Swear he was one of the most loved rookies..

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I'd like to know how many of Curry's shots are even open. He takes the worst 3pt shots ever and he just makes them. His shot selection is disgusting and his shot making ability is astounding.

Oh here. Someone can watch this if they have nothing to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__QVTbDcP4

[poido123]

When did Kyrie become so hated? Swear he was one of the most loved rookies..


What board are you reading?

Ever since the gold medal game its been kyrie praise and rose sucks...

[JohnFreeman]

What board are you reading?

Ever since the gold medal game its been kyrie praise and rose sucks...Before FIBA Kyrie had been hounded pretty badly.

[poido123]

Before FIBA Kyrie had been hounded pretty badly.


I agree with you there.

He cops the lion share of criticism for not carrying his team to playoffs last year, even though there was a lot of good reasons why that couldn't happen...

[RedBlackAttack]

Before FIBA Kyrie had been hounded pretty badly.
It actually continued through the FIBA process as well, until it became completely clear he was one of the best players on the team. People b!tched that it was the "Duke connection" when he was chosen over Lillard and Wall. Then, most said he should be relegated to Rose's backup.

Kyrie has been a target on here for the last year or so. I'm not saying that all of it was unwarranted. He mailed it in during some of the 2013 season and he deserved to be criticized for some of that. But, of course, people went too far with it.

Now, they'll probably go too far the other way again. Just the society that we live in today. Overreactions run rampant.

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://photos-c.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpa1/928372_715982925134834_1166267754_n.jpg
What a BOSS

:pimp:

Love me some Boogie

[2swift4u]

I thought Kyrie, Thompson & Faried played a great tournament.

I was a bit dissapointed by Curry's shooting and Harden's defense. And Rose...well.. no comment...

[UK2K]

It actually continued through the FIBA process as well, until it became completely clear he was one of the best players on the team. People b!tched that it was the "Duke connection" when he was chosen over Lillard and Wall. Then, most said he should be relegated to Rose's backup.

Kyrie has been a target on here for the last year or so. I'm not saying that all of it was unwarranted. He mailed it in during some of the 2013 season and he deserved to be criticized for some of that. But, of course, people went too far with it.

Now, they'll probably go too far the other way again. Just the society that we live in today. Overreactions run rampant.

The Duke connection was Plumlee, who is awful.

Irving got a lot of praise from what I saw. He's a legit PG. Not top 5, but top 10 sure.

[fragokota]

Rose's stats during the tournament are hideous. The guy is probably done. 1/19 3pts and his fg% was something like 25%. :facepalm

[SexSymbol]

To be honest, Rose looked good on defense. His shot will come back, he missed a bazillion of lay-ups that he will make when he gets used to the rhythm of NBA fully.
Expect 2-3 months of shitty play from him, then him blossoming again

[UK2K]

Rose's stats during the tournament are hideous. The guy is probably done. 1/19 3pts and his fg% was something like 25%. :facepalm
He gave himself an A though.

A for ass.

[Lebron23]

I thought Davis would win the MVP cause he was leading team USA in the preliminary rounds. Props to Kyrie for stepping up in the last few games of the tournament.

[All Net]

Great balance.

[Dragic4Life]

Wall or Lillard should have replaced Rose no doubt.

[Lebron23]

Wall or Lillard should have replaced Rose no doubt.

Stop talking about him. You might get ban in this forum.

[fpliii]

The tourney really turned me on to Faried. I always knew he was a great hustle player and rebounder, and a physical specimen, but he was tremendous as a piece on a superteam in this tournament, and actually played some great defense.

Looking forward to watching him more this season.

[juju151111]

Spacing is incredibly important for jumpshooters. Having a threat like Klay Thompson playing across from you opens up the floor.

This season will be the first time Irving will be playing with anything resembling even decent spacing (and it should actually be fantastic). If the gap continues to be there in the shooting % after this season, I'll easily concede the topic.

But, for the first time in his career, Irving should be getting a lot of open looks. We'll see how it goes. I hope Kyrie is never the volume three-point shooter that Curry is, tbh, because his game should be centered around his ability to break defenses down off the dribble. But, he has a smooth, consistent, fundamentally sound shooting stroke from deep. That much is undeniable. He was the most consistent three-point shooter on this team, has won a three-point shooting competition and has been pretty much lights out every time he's had the opportunity to play with other elite guys.

Again, we'll see what happens.
Bro serious question? Do you even watch the Warriors? I think your one of the best posters on Ish but your post is full of BS. Curry makes the most difficult 3s ever to the point they rather double him coming off picks.

[KD35Brah]

61% from three? That is complete insanity for a sample size this large. Granted, the line is a bit closer on the FIBA level, but Curry and Thompson were still hovering around their NBA averages. To shoot that kind of percentage from longrange? Let's just say that I think the best pure shooter in the NBA is completely debatable at this point, and Kyrie is in that conversation. Wait until he starts getting a lot of wide open spot-up looks on a regular basis.

Speaking of Thompson, he isn't getting enough love in the post-FIBA reaction threads. He was consistently solid on both ends throughout the tourney. Props to him.Lol no.

Not even close.

Kyrie shot 32% on spot up 3s last season.

[Booz Vivic]

what about the other teams stats?

[Myth]

Rose 4.8 25%, 5% 3pt No that 5% is not a typo.

Lillard should have made it.

[RedBlackAttack]

Now that we're 47 games into the season, it seems as good a time as any to revisit this thread.

What I said:


61% from three? That is complete insanity for a sample size this large. Granted, the line is a bit closer on the FIBA level, but Curry and Thompson were still hovering around their NBA averages. To shoot that kind of percentage from longrange? Let's just say that I think the best pure shooter in the NBA is completely debatable at this point, and Kyrie is in that conversation. Wait until he starts getting a lot of wide open spot-up looks on a regular basis.

Speaking of Thompson, he isn't getting enough love in the post-FIBA reaction threads. He was consistently solid on both ends throughout the tourney. Props to him.



Spacing is incredibly important for jumpshooters. Having a threat like Klay Thompson playing across from you opens up the floor.

This season will be the first time Irving will be playing with anything resembling even decent spacing (and it should actually be fantastic). If the gap continues to be there in the shooting % after this season, I'll easily concede the topic.

But, for the first time in his career, Irving should be getting a lot of open looks. We'll see how it goes. I hope Kyrie is never the volume three-point shooter that Curry is, tbh, because his game should be centered around his ability to break defenses down off the dribble. But, he has a smooth, consistent, fundamentally sound shooting stroke from deep. That much is undeniable. He was the most consistent three-point shooter on this team, has won a three-point shooting competition and has been pretty much lights out every time he's had the opportunity to play with other elite guys.

Again, we'll see what happens.


What they said:


Why would you include something that happened internationally into an NBA conversation ? He was on the US national team and playing under a different set of rules/style than the NBA.

Kyrie shot 36% from 3 last year on 4.8 attempts in 71 games. 39% on similar attempts the year before, and 40% on one less attempt his rookie season. He's an 86% shooter from the FT line for his career and obviously a really good midrange shooter too.

Curry destroys those numbers. He blows Irving away %'s and volume from 3. Shoots better from the FT line and is at the very least comparable from midrange. Not sure how some international tournament changes any of that. I mean I get the bias, Faried lit it up. Gotta be a little objective.



Bro serious question? Do you even watch the Warriors? I think your one of the best posters on Ish but your post is full of BS. Curry makes the most difficult 3s ever to the point they rather double him coming off picks.


Lol no.

Not even close.

Kyrie shot 32% on spot up 3s last season.

Where things stand...

Three-point percentages:

Kyrie Irving - 40.8%
Steph Curry - 39.5%


Like I said, Irving is easily one of the best pure shooters in the league and it is showing with the Cavs' improved spacing. I'm not saying he is better than Steph, but he's in the conversation. And he's still only 22.

[Dr.J4ever]

Now that we're 47 games into the season, it seems as good a time as any to revisit this thread.

What I said:







What they said:








Where things stand...

Three-point percentages:

Kyrie Irving - 40.8%
Steph Curry - 39.5%


Like I said, Irving is easily one of the best pure shooters in the league and it is showing with the Cavs' improved spacing. I'm not saying he is better than Steph, but he's in the conversation. And he's still only 22.

Good call:applause:

[UK2K]

Good call:applause:
Got eeeeeem

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No he isn't in the conversation with Steph really, but he is a great shooter. Steph Curry is the best 3 point shooter in the history of the sport. This is somewhat "down" year and he's shooting 40 freaking percent.

[RedBlackAttack]

No he isn't in the conversation with Steph really, but he is a great shooter. Steph Curry is the best 3 point shooter in the history of the sport. This is somewhat "down" year and he's shooting 40 freaking percent.
A lot of people seem to hold the view that Curry is the greatest three-point shooter ever. First of all, I think that has to be qualified as the best "volume" three-point shooter ever. Otherwise, a specialist like Steve Kerr who shot over 45% from three for his career and over 50% in a season would deserve serious consideration. Then, there is Kyle Korver who would qualify as both a specialist and a volume shooter. I'd have a hard time taking Curry over either of those guys as a pure shooter.

He may have the greatest range I have ever seen, but if my life is on the line and I'm picking one guy to make a three to save it, Curry isn't beating out those two guys. They are/were in the NBA solely because of their insane shooting ability. Curry is a great player who is also a great shooter.

And, I do think Kyrie is in the conversation with Steph. I'm standing by it. Since the Cavs made the trade that further improved the floor spacing, Kyrie is shooting over 50% from three. Plus, he performed better from long range in FIBA play and he has already beaten Steph once in a shooting competition. He will have the chance to do so again this year.

Steph is an all-time great shooter, but there are a few of those guys in the league right now, imo. I think Kyrie has the chance to be one when all is said and done.

[Heavincent]

A lot of people seem to hold the view that Curry is the greatest three-point shooter ever. First of all, I think that has to be qualified as the best "volume" three-point shooter ever. Otherwise, a specialist like Steve Kerr who shot over 45% from three for his career and over 50% in a season would deserve serious consideration. Then, there is Kyle Korver who would qualify as both a specialist and a volume shooter. I'd have a hard time taking Curry over either of those guys as a pure shooter.


This is kind of ridiculous. Put Curry in Kerr's role and he would shoot 50% from 3. Maybe even better. The fact that he's a 43% career 3 point shooter with the type of shots he takes is absurd. He's a volume shooter who also happens to be incredibly efficient.

Give me Curry over anybody. No doubt in my mind he's the greatest shooter ever.

[HurricaneKid]

Steph takes some shots that are absolutely awful shots for anyone else ever in the history of the game. He takes 2-for-1s anytime he can, he shoots at the end of qtrs all the time, etc. He shot a 28 footer floating to his right with 29 sec left in the 3rd last night. A ridiculous shot no one else would take. Then he got the ball and drilled a last second 3 to finish the qtr.

He can take "bad shots" because in real game situations they increase EV. So while his 3% percentage is lower than Kyrie's he is 10x the shooter. Its just that the silly 3s he throws up, whoch are still good for the team, are just a drag on his %.

[RedBlackAttack]

Steph takes some shots that are absolutely awful shots for anyone else ever in the history of the game. He takes 2-for-1s anytime he can, he shoots at the end of qtrs all the time, etc. He shot a 28 footer floating to his right with 29 sec left in the 3rd last night. A ridiculous shot no one else would take. Then he got the ball and drilled a last second 3 to finish the qtr.

He can take "bad shots" because in real game situations they increase EV. So while his 3% percentage is lower than Kyrie's he is 10x the shooter. Its just that the silly 3s he throws up, whoch are still good for the team, are just a drag on his %.
Silly.