Does no one like hip hop no more?

[Nick Young]

is hip hop ded?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NOaBqo-GnI

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l7PraI2u2jk/TUXQWmJQ1_I/AAAAAAAAAFQ/HlmdbHyVMGc/s1600/kanye%2525252525252520west-young-jeezy.jpg

[kurple]

nah, hip hop is not dead

maybe not as popular as it once was, but there is still a lot of quality rap being made

[JohnnySic]

As far being "pop", yes, dead as a rail.

[wakencdukest]

Did anyone ever really like that shit?

[ace23]

Hip-hop is more popular now than it's ever been lol

[joe]

Hip hop to me is not made for people over the age of 15. lol. Not saying it couldnt be.. but not anything I hear.

[ace23]

Hip hop to me is not made for people over the age of 15. lol. Not saying it couldnt be.. but not anything I hear.
Lol

[ROCSteady]

I remember the days when dudes like blasian, playtetris, gobb, state property, etc. would ALWAYS make a bunch of threads on new albums, hip hop discussions, etc. We were like an electronic barber shop with no temp fades

OTC used to have a heavy concentration of hip hop discussions :(

The latest drops barely deserve to be posted in that MOSTLY terrible spam thread.

Makes me kinda sad :cry:

I do like some of the newer guys a whole lot like Kevin Gates, SchoolBoy Q, Joey Bada$$ & a couple others but it's MUCH fewer and further between.

I'm a music head so I listen to much more than rap and I gotta say, I listen to a lot less hip hop/rap than I used to because the newer styles that get play just plain suck. Just nonsense.

/ Redundant "I don't like new rap" post

[TheMarkMadsen]

I still bump the classics ( what I consider classic)

but i can't stand listening to every other rapper brag about their money, their chains and their shoes anymore.

[ROCSteady]

I'm just tired of these dudes who can barely speak and mumble mash their words together creating these stupid catch phrases and their nonsensical bullshit is picked up & regurgitated by listeners in their everyday vernacular.

These bums always sound like their leaned out and have been awake for like 72 hours + on the hooks.

Their fans eat that dumb shit up, fckn retards

[~primetime~]

today's mainstream rap summed up:

"n*gga I'm rich, n*gga I fcked ur bitch"



I do think today's rap has better beats overall (in general)...however the vocalists are considerably worse than those of the past.

Today's beats + yesterday's rappers would be really great actually

[MP.Trey]

today's mainstream rap summed up:

"n*gga I'm rich, n*gga I fcked ur bitch"



I do think today's rap has better beats overall (in general)...however the vocalists are considerably worse than those of the past.

Today's beats + yesterday's rappers would be really great actually
Or you could listen to rap/hip hop that isn't mainstream and realize that the genre is stronger now than ever with young cats and old heads alike. It's just become over-saturated by the people in the industry only for the money or the fame and not the art. Keep listening to the radio to form your opinions though.

[L.Kizzle]

Hip-hop is more popular now than it's ever been lol
That's the truth, sadly.

If only Hip-Hop was as popular as it was between 1991-1996 as it is today ...

[~primetime~]

Or you could listen to rap/hip hop that isn't mainstream and realize that the genre is stronger now than ever with young cats and old heads alike. It's just become over-saturated by the people in the industry only for the money or the fame and not the art. Keep listening to the radio to form your opinions though.
I made sure to say "today's mainstream rap" and not rap in general...

I'm just talking about radio rap/popular rap...and not the underground scene

[MP.Trey]

I made sure to say "today's mainstream rap" and not rap in general...

I'm just talking about radio rap/popular rap...and not the underground scene
Okay, you said mainstream rap at first then you said "today's rap" so I figured you were just using mainstream rap as your main reference point to today's rap overall. Carry on.

[~primetime~]

Okay, you said mainstream rap at first then you said "today's rap" so I figured you were just using mainstream rap as your main reference point to today's rap overall. Carry on.
I should have said "today's mainstream rap" both times, you're right...

I know there is a lot of stuff out there of all shapes, sizes, and colors...I'm just talking about the stuff thrown out to the masses

[NumberSix]

Hip hop has been dead for like 10 years. Maybe longer.

[Jailblazers7]

There are organic hip hop movements that have really taken shape over the past 5 yeard. Black hippy, A$AP, Odd Future, Pro Era, Chance/Vic Mensa/Childish, etc. I think we are in the beginning stages of a good era for the genre. Drill music type stuff is just a current fad.

[NumberSix]

There are organic hip hop movements that have really taken shape over the past 5 yeard. Black hippy, A$AP, Odd Future, Pro Era, Chance/Vic Mensa/Childish, etc. I think we are in the beginning stages of a good era for the genre. Drill music type stuff is just a current fad.
The south killed hip hop.

[atljonesbro]

Love it. It's really not bad at all. People just caught up in the nostalgia of the past.

[ROCSteady]

No bro, no.

We don't need nostalgia glasses and memories to realize that the shit your city puts out, among others (not tryna single out), is 85% garbage water.

[ROCSteady]

There are organic hip hop movements that have really taken shape over the past 5 yeard. Black hippy, A$AP, Odd Future, Pro Era, Chance/Vic Mensa/Childish, etc. I think we are in the beginning stages of a good era for the genre. Drill music type stuff is just a current fad.

Never really gave any Black Hippy stuff a chance, anybody know any top shelf tracks?


Odd Future can go hide in Precious' back flaps

[~primetime~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXniiEgmMk

^^^ that is the #5 song in the country right now :oldlol:



and you know what, I love the realness of it...those little 12 year old thuglets are the real deal Holyfield

But lettuce be reality, it looks like something a bunch of Jr. High kids made over the weekend and that is pretty much exactly what it is. Also Bobby Schmurder claims that he just stole that beat off of Youtube, I'm not sure that is true but that's what he says.

[Jailblazers7]

Never really gave any Black Hippy stuff a chance, anybody know any top shelf tracks?


Odd Future can go hide in Precious' back flaps

Black hippy is just kendrick, schoolboy, Jay rock, ab-soul, and a couple others I think. I think odd future is kind of cool. They really capture a youthful energy and attitude with their "**** you just because" antics. Chicago is producing some conscious rapper who have a joyfulness land responsibility in their style. A lot of rappers are moving out to Cali and collaborating which is producing some cool shit.

I think rap has fallen off as a popular movement but it's regaining steam as an artform.

[ROCSteady]

O damn lol. For some reason whenever I heard Black Hippy I thought they were a separate group or whatever whenever I would hear them referenced on radio shows.

I fck with Jay Rock too. This is my shit, been pumpin it for like 2 years. It's self referential for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2XmMQm5F_0

Yeah im lookin in the mirror and the ***** said wassup, Rock?
And that ***** looked back at me and said boy you certified

That used to get me ready for my day LOL

[Real14]

Hip hop is dying horrendously, we just need some one to resuscitate it and revive it back to greatness.

[Jailblazers7]

so if it's from the middle class it's an "organic movement" but if it's from the streets it's a "fad"? really?

Lol no because we have scene stuff like drill music come and go constantly. It is a snapshot of a certain environment but it isn't something that is likely to stay relevant in pop culture. I'm sure part of why I say that is because I'm a white middle class male who isn't clued in to the type of scene that really gets into drill but that was not the meaning behind my statement.

But you are probably right. Drill will prob have the same influence on the sounds and texture of rap music the same way the Houston sound did over the past decade.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Actually, it's more like the hip Hop that get's played on the Radio is dead.

I mean, it's unfortunate that Kendrick get's overplayed but the boy is coming out with Heat. If ya'll can't see that, you need to take them goggles off.

Also, Throw it up to G Eazy. That boy is bringing heat. J cole is cool too. He has SOME stuff. Drake has SOME stuff, but again. It's unfortunate that the radio just kills it.

Any whoo. Some hip hop/rap is still cool. It's not dead, but definitely on life support. lol.

Like, I'm sorry but French Montana is garbage. He makes 50 look like a GOAT MC.

[Jailblazers7]

compared to odd future it has had a much bigger impact on the culture and music. the slang is used everywhere and the biggest song in new york is basically a drill song, 2+ years after it got started. also the artists you mentioned that are very "organic" like chance and vic mensa have stolen directly from drill artists. u are just being way too dismissive

Like I said you're probably right, I don't have a problem admitting when I'm wrong. I tend to pay more attention to lyrical movements which is why I gravitate more towards the artists I mentioned and assign them a lot of credit.

[Real14]

Actually, it's more like the hip Hop that get's played on the Radio is dead.

I mean, it's unfortunate that Kendrick get's overplayed but the boy is coming out with Heat. If ya'll can't see that, you need to take them goggles off.

Also, Throw it up to G Eazy. That boy is bringing heat. J cole is cool too. He has SOME stuff. Drake has SOME stuff, but again. It's unfortunate that the radio just kills it.

Any whoo. Some hip hop/rap is still cool. It's not dead, but definitely on life support. lol.

Like, I'm sorry but French Montana is garbage. He makes 50 look like a GOAT MC.

One of the things that I don't like about Drake is that he's not himself and portrays a different character. When he was an underground artist he had way better lyrics and subject matter but ever since he signed with young money he have dumb himself down as an artist and as a person and that's not good. His potential was good.

[Meticode]

I definitely don't listen to rap and hip-hop as much as I used to. A lot of if has became rather redundant to me and my tastes have changed because of it. I listen to a few select artists still...probably for the best.

[ROCSteady]

I heard a mixtape and it had this one track with Fab & some British dude that sounded like SAS, that guy who was with Dipset World. I kno it wasn't him but they sounded similar

It went so hard but I can't remember the mixtape or the song. ugh I wanna pump that shit

Also featured one or two other rappers, maybe Jeezy or somebody? Plz help

[Jailblazers7]

Clown straight dodged the question. Who did Chance bite?

I admitted I was wrong lol. Don't listen enough drill to really discern the differences unique to any except Keef but you can hear some overlap in his style with stuff that rapper like King Louie have made.

[PHX_Phan]

I'd say quality of rap is actually at an all time high with social media and internet being more mainstream. An artist doesn't need to be signed with a huge record label to get their name out there anymore. The talent pool of rappers is so much larger because you have guys making a name for themselves through youtube and various other media outlets that never existed in the 90's for rappers to get their music heard on a large level.

Plus with a lot of production becoming digitized, you don't need a bunch of expensive music equipment to make beats, so the opportunity is available to so many more people who would have never been able to afford an entire beat lab.

[Jailblazers7]

It was directed towards Al

P Rico doesn't sound anything like Acid Rap Chance and that is the shit that made him famous

There is some stuff on 10 day that is drill ish like **** You Tahm Bout. But Chance def has branched off completely into his own sounds since Acid Rap. I'm prob gonna go to one of his shows next month which I'm excited about cause he travels with a live band.

[D-FENS]

Rap is dead, and rock is dead.

This crappy generation of sheep killed music. 90's was a real peak. Blame Napster and The Pirate Bay. Also blame MTV for killing music videos. Oh, and blame ****ers like Eminem, 50 Cent, Kanye, Creed, Nickleback and Coldplay. AND all the emo BS bands like Radiohead that changed their music style to shit, and allowed for a flow of talent-less hacks like Mumford & Sons and Kings of Leon.

Kurt Cobain and Biggy would be so sad if they had to hear the shit msuic of today

[kurple]

people saying all rap sucks now, isnt searching good enough

Listen to Freddie Gibbs - Pinata and Joey Badass - 1999

also Kendrick's Section 80

i could go on like this for hours

[Real14]

people saying all rap sucks now, isnt searching good enough

Listen to Freddie Gibbs - Pinata and Joey Badass - 1999

also Kendrick's Section 80

i could go on like this for hours
The problem is that Freddie Gibbs and Joey Badass don't have a big impact like Kendrick and them wack ass mainstream rap artists. They need to learn to make hit songs that don't dumb them down and switch their whole style up. They have to come up with a formula and work harder.

[ducktape]

hip hop is still alive

http://c.directlyrics.com/img/upload/0c1a0288.jpg

http://wp-images.emusic.com/assets/2014/09/jeezy-future-no-tears-joan-rivers-fallon-roots.jpg

[JohnnySic]

Hip hop has been dead for like 10 years. Maybe longer.
Hip hop has been dead since at least 1999, and that's being mighty generous. It sure went downhill after about 1995 or so.

[Real14]

Hip hop has been dead since at least 1999, and that's being mighty generous. It sure went downhill after about 1995 or so.
You could at least said 1997.

[joe]

I dont really see how Eminem killed hiphop. He obviously loves hip hop, respects the roots of hip hop, writes true emotions that are real to him, also does funny songs and whatever else. He isnt as good now as he was (IMO) but, I would put the blame more on people like Chingy and shit.

[Real14]

I dont really see how Eminem killed hiphop. He obviously loves hip hop, respects the roots of hip hop, writes true emotions that are real to him, also does funny songs and whatever else. He isnt as good now as he was (IMO) but, I would put the blame more on people like Chingy and shit.
The sad thing is that Chingy is better than most of those mainstream rappers today.

[L.Kizzle]

I dont really see how Eminem killed hiphop. He obviously loves hip hop, respects the roots of hip hop, writes true emotions that are real to him, also does funny songs and whatever else. He isnt as good now as he was (IMO) but, I would put the blame more on people like Chingy and shit.
Chingy ... he wasn't around long enough to have an impact.

Either Lil Jon or Lil Wayne are the main culprits, IMO.

Jon is responsible for the likes of The Ying Yang Twins, Crime Mob, Lil Scrappy, D4L, De Franchize Boyz which birthed this era of shitty hip-hop you have before you today. Wayne has watered down the art form.

[joe]

Chingy ... he wasn't around long enough to have an impact.

Either Lil Jon or Lil Wayne are the main culprits, IMO.

Jon is responsible for the likes of The Ying Yang Twins, Crime Mob, Lil Scrappy, D4L, De Franchize Boyz which birthed this era of shitty hip-hop you have before you today. Wayne has watered down the art form.

Music in general is just..... too perfected. There is such a formula to it now. There is that one song on the radio, it goes..

So wake me up when its all over,
when im wiser and im older

That is a damn good song, the singer has a soulful voice and good lyrics. But then in the middle of the verses they have this stupid techno radio-friendly sound that does not fit the song at all. That is the kind of crap going on in music right now. Real artists are (and always will be) out there, but for the money you have to sacrifice the art. At least to a degree.

Rap is the same. Drake I admit has some nice lines, but his topic material and entire perspective on the world is just lame. So sick of hearing the same story from rappers. Started from the bottom now Im rich. Damn, movies on replay for eternity.

[pauk]

+Beats are even better.

-Horrible vocalists (you either have to be a great spitter with creative lyrics or have that epic busta rhymes, dmx, tupac alphaish delivery, but nope).
-Weird ass taste of rythm/flow going on, often with squeeky ass voices (lil wayne & then cheefkeef and so on )
-Too much rapping about "nikkas, hoes, *****, tattoos, money, gunz".
-Too much catch phrase crap.
-Too much young rappers feel like they need to be these new-gen gangstas, often you see their videos throwing up gangsigns, smoking weed, throwing some weird moves with a massive group looking like they are on bath salts or something.
-Seems like literally anybody can be a famous rapper today due to the above.



Hiphop is not dead, there are still some awesome guys out there.... but hiphop sure has regressed... vocalists trying to evolve with their new shit, but instead they are just only devolving it....

Beats today like i said i think are better than ever, incredibly awesome stuff...... almost makes the entire song acceptable, just throw in some sqeeky untalanted slow flowing "nikka" in there repeating "Starting from the bottom now we here" then you are in!!

Rappers/Vocalists/Talent from the 90s + Todays Beats would be awesome.

[L.Kizzle]

+Beats are even better.

-Horrible vocalists (you either have to be a great spitter with creative lyrics or have that epic busta rhymes, dmx, tupac alphaish delivery, but nope).
-Weird ass taste of rythm/flow going on, often with squeeky ass voices (lil wayne & then cheefkeef and so on )
-Too much rapping about "nikkas, hoes, *****, tattoos, money, gunz".
-Too much catch phrase crap.
-Too much young rappers feel like they need to be these new-gen gangstas, often you see their videos throwing up gangsigns, smoking weed, throwing some weird moves with a massive group looking like they are on bath salts or something.
-Seems like literally anybody can be a famous rapper today due to the above.



Hiphop is not dead, there are still some awesome guys out there.... but hiphop sure has regressed... vocalists trying to evolve with their new shit, but instead they are just only devolving it....


Beats today like i said i think are better than ever, incredibly awesome stuff...... almost makes the entire song acceptable, just throw in some sqeeky untalanted slow flowing nikka in there saying "Starting from the bottom now we here" then you are in!!
I agree with everything you said, except the beats. The beats are much worse, much much worse.

People might not believe this, but there was a time when Hip-Hop had melodies to them. Unless it's a Neptunes-Pharrell, Timbaland beat (there background is R&B, so they should have melodic sounds) or a select few others, for the most part their is no melodies in hip-hop.

Everything just sounds the same, when you turn on the radio it's like the same guy could have done the last 7 songs that just came on.

Past songs had melodies. 2Pac's All About You, Raekwon's Incarcerated Scarfaces, E-40's Captain Save a Hoe, hell even Master P's Ice Cream Man.

Bobby Shmurda's Hit Nigha, just a drum machine and a bunch of sound effects.

[atljonesbro]

I've never really enjoyed old school hip hop. To me it had: Boring delivery, boring flow, boring beats, simplistic rhyme schemes, simple word play. Just seemed a lot more simple.

When you find a top notch lyricist today I feel like they are a lot better than top notch lyricists a long time ago.

[pauk]

I agree with everything you said, except the beats. The beats are much worse, much much worse.

People might not believe this, but there was a time when Hip-Hop had melodies to them. Unless it's a Neptunes-Pharrell, Timbaland beat (there background is R&B, so they should have melodic sounds) or a select few others, for the most part their is no melodies in hip-hop.

Everything just sounds the same, when you turn on the radio it's like the same guy could have done the last 7 songs that just came on.

Past songs had melodies. 2Pac's All About You, Raekwon's Incarcerated Scarfaces, E-40's Captain Save a Hoe, hell even Master P's Ice Cream Man.

Bobby Shmurda's Hit Nigha, just a drum machine and a bunch of sound effects.


Word! Dunno man, I am just saying this due to technology & creativity, there is many type of beats & sounds integration i never heard before.

[pauk]

I've never really enjoyed old school hip hop. To me it had: Boring delivery, boring flow, boring beats, simplistic rhyme schemes, simple word play. Just seemed a lot more simple.

When you find a top notch lyricist today I feel like they are a lot better than top notch lyricists a long time ago.

Would love for you to show me just ONE guy today who you think is better than ANYBODY from the 90s & early 00s..... :)

[L.Kizzle]

Word! Dunno man, I am just saying this due to technology & creativity, there is many type of beats & sounds integrations i never heard before.
Beats like this. I guess it's cause the producers from the 90s came from an era where they still played instruments. Guys like DJ Quik, Erick Sermon, Beats By da Pound were musicians. No beats today is fckin with these among others.

:bowdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl1KsYz6Cno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o9dLCtoMX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxIYP4Km4p4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcQQYP3X4BA

[atljonesbro]

Would love for you to show me just ONE guy today who you think is better than ANYBODY from the 90s & early 00s..... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMoNep7r8GI

No matter how hard you try, you'll never find anything as lyrical as this from the 90s.

[Ass Dan]

Hip Hop has been going downhill for a while.

If I want to hear about the latest purchases ghetto youth are making I will check it out, if not, I will go elsewhere or old school.

[pauk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMoNep7r8GI

No matter how hard you try, you'll never find anything as lyrical as this from the 90s.

Baring the circumstances of todays rappers/rap, i really like that guy. Thats some hiphop! :eek: :applause:

Now.... if only we can get that guy to be more famous than cheefkeef.....

[ducktape]

"The Ramones got back to basics: simple, speedy, stripped-down rock and roll songs. Voice, guitar, bass, drums. No makeup, no egos, no light shows, no nonsense."

Tommy Ramone said the intention was innovation with a statement.

"It wasn't just music in the Ramones: it was an idea. It was bringing back a whole feel that was missing in rock music -- it was a whole push outwards to say something new and different," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/12/showbiz/tommy-ramone-dead/

what hip hop artists are doing now to hip hop did the same thing the ramones did to rock back in the 70s

hip hop changed but there's still a large amount of good hip hop artists today

hip hop artists these days have similar ideologies as punk rock and alternative rock bands of the 70s, 80s, and 90s while people who hate them have similar ideologies as progressive rock bands of the 70s

[joe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMoNep7r8GI

No matter how hard you try, you'll never find anything as lyrical as this from the 90s.

Dude was nice.

[Real14]

Baring the circumstances of todays rappers/rap, i really like that guy. Thats some hiphop! :eek: :applause:

Now.... if only we can get that guy to be more famous than cheefkeef.....
Too bad King Los is with Bad Boy and not reaching his full potential at all. That's why some people need to be on their own and go independent.

[pauk]

Too bad King Los is with Bad Boy and not reaching his full potential at all. That's why some people need to be on their own and go independent.

That guy had real hiphop talent in him man..... thats the thing, guys like King Los (with real talent) are nothing today, meanwhile....... :banghead:

[ROCSteady]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMoNep7r8GI

No matter how hard you try, you'll never find anything as lyrical as this from the 90s.

Maryland's finest lyricist :applause:

[ace23]

Dude was nice.
The fck? I like Los's freestyles, but you go on about hip-hop being "dead" and you're satisfied by a punchline rapper? :wtf:

[joe]

The fck? I like Los's freestyles, but you go on about hip-hop being "dead" and you're satisfied by a punchline rapper? :wtf:

I like that Los verse, he has talent, flows, some funny lines. At least Los doesnt seem like a media created image, trying to act tough or suave or project some type of bullshit persona. He is just having fun, showing off his talent. I like it. It is honest.

The problem is that it lacks depth.... like most rappers. They are not thinkers. They are not real artists in that sense of the word. They are shit talkers at best, or media gimmicks at worse. Very few rappers in my lifetime have made real music as I define the term. That Los verse was good rap... not music by any means. Cant deny that he has skills though..

[ace23]

The problem is that it lacks depth.... like most rappers. They are not thinkers. They are not real artists in that sense of the word. They are shit talkers at best, or media gimmicks at worse. Very few rappers in my lifetime have made real music as I define the term.
It's very clear that you don't listen to much rap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MWb4IOatRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcmR8DxuHBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq8Ns375gDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEAuepAFHPs

[That_Admiral]

I like Logic... he has great flow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLleo7NKh8

[CeltsGarlic]

That guy had real hiphop talent in him man..... thats the thing, guys like King Los (with real talent) are nothing today, meanwhile....... :banghead:


Everybody who listens to rap knows guys like Los or krit or whoevers, so basically these days we have so many different artists, styles and producers we are trully blessed.

So better stop whining and just find what you like and listen.

[~primetime~]

I agree with everything you said, except the beats. The beats are much worse, much much worse.

People might not believe this, but there was a time when Hip-Hop had melodies to them. Unless it's a Neptunes-Pharrell, Timbaland beat (there background is R&B, so they should have melodic sounds) or a select few others, for the most part their is no melodies in hip-hop.

Everything just sounds the same, when you turn on the radio it's like the same guy could have done the last 7 songs that just came on.

Past songs had melodies. 2Pac's All About You, Raekwon's Incarcerated Scarfaces, E-40's Captain Save a Hoe, hell even Master P's Ice Cream Man.

Bobby Shmurda's Hit Nigha, just a drum machine and a bunch of sound effects.

You're right.

There are a lot of beats today that I really love that I feel are wasted on Drake or Wayne but you're right today's beats aren't nearly as unique to the artist as they were in the 90s.

You could hear a beat from The Chronic and know it was g-funk right away, without even hearing lyrics.

Same with the Wu...RZAs beats were very recognizable and unique to the Wu, sounded like nothing else.


I do like many of today's beats but the do lack the variation found in the 90s.

[joe]

It's very clear that you don't listen to much rap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MWb4IOatRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcmR8DxuHBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq8Ns375gDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEAuepAFHPs

I do not (anymore), but don't ignore the word Most in my previous post :P

Listened to your first link, might check out the rest later. My friends always gave me Hopson links after I made that argument about most rappers not being artists. ha.

[joe]

I think your definition of artist might be kind of total bullshit though

In my opinion, you are not a music artist just because you write some words on a piece of paper and record it. Biggie smalls is not an artist. He is a rapper... he has flow, delivery, ''hot'' lyrics, but he doesn't have any meaning or emotion behind it. Real art from Biggie would have been a song about why he felt the need to contrive his past and act like he lived poor when he really didn't. A thoughtful look into his own psyche and emotions. Not the mask he put on for everyone to see.. bravado.

It is like teenagers. A lot of them are self conscious and trying their best to fit in. So they act loud, obnoxious, reckless. But a self-conscious teenager rapping about how tough he is is not art. The art would be when he wonders why he was so worried about fitting in, analyzes his actions and feels guilt, regret, or even happiness. Some thought put into it besides saying whatever sounds good to try and get rich, I.E. most rap.

[joe]

So yeah I'd say that's kind of a pretentious definition of art

Nothing wrong with some things being deep and introspective

But if everything was it'd be boring

Maybe so. I listen to silly songs all the time. I like pop at times. Not everyone has to be deep.
And some rap definitely is art as I define it. So ya

[Jailblazers7]

In my opinion, you are not a music artist just because you write some words on a piece of paper and record it. Biggie smalls is not an artist. He is a rapper... he has flow, delivery, ''hot'' lyrics, but he doesn't have any meaning or emotion behind it. Real art from Biggie would have been a song about why he felt the need to contrive his past and act like he lived poor when he really didn't. A thoughtful look into his own psyche and emotions. Not the mask he put on for everyone to see.. bravado.

It is like teenagers. A lot of them are self conscious and trying their best to fit in. So they act loud, obnoxious, reckless. But a self-conscious teenager rapping about how tough he is is not art. The art would be when he wonders why he was so worried about fitting in, analyzes his actions and feels guilt, regret, or even happiness. Some thought put into it besides saying whatever sounds good to try and get rich, I.E. most rap.

For all we know Biggie might have adopted that character to write music that sheds light on the motivations and environment of a young black man during the 90s. I think almost all music has artistic and cultural significance even if the artist isn't intentionally shaping his art for that purpose. Also, Biggie obviously had impressive technical abilities as a rapper (cadence, rhyme scheeme, etc) which makes him an artist imo.

[~primetime~]

Biggie Smalls was definitely an "artist"

Vanilla Ice was an "artist" as well...

they made music...a form of art



whether they were good or bad artists is another story though

"writing words on a piece of paper" can be very artistic - it can require great creativity. Poets are "artists" imo


"art" doesn't have to be "deep and meaningful" either...there is lots of legit "art" out there that is just made in the name of "entertainment"...really GREAT art too. Some of my favorite art is much more on the "fun" side than the "deep" side.

[joe]

For all we know Biggie might have adopted that character to write music that sheds light on the motivations and environment of a young black man during the 90s. I think almost all music has artistic and cultural significance even if the artist isn't intentionally shaping his art for that purpose. Also, Biggie obviously had impressive technical abilities as a rapper (cadence, rhyme scheeme, etc) which makes him an artist imo.

Biggie definitely had impressive technical abilities. All music does reflect something about humanity, even if it is not overly thoughtful or introspective. And it can all have cultural significance. I would agree with that. But to me a music 'artist' is a certain TYPE of person. Just like not everyone with a well researched opinion is a philosopher. Everyone that plays basketball is not a hall of famer. There is an understanding to an artist, awareness, thoughtfulness. In my damn opinion just so you know, I don't think anyone is wrong for disagreeing.

If something like that was Biggies intention, that is amazing. But I cant know it, I have to go by what I see. Eminem said a lot of ridiculous things on the surface that aren't ''artistic,''.... ''I tie my rope around a ***** and jump from a tree.'' But Eminem also stated in other songs/interviews that his goal was to get a rise out of people, expose their own hypocrisy, and to push freedom of speech. That is an agenda that I can see and that makes sense. There was an irony and a sarcasm behind his lyrics that often had a point..

Tupac I would put in that category, especially prior to him signing with Death Row. Nas has definitely been there. Even Lil Wayne has had some songs that made me respect him as an artist. I used to always knock Lil Wayne and I still kind of do, but he got there on a couple of occasions. Biggie? Barring his entire persona being a deeper metaphor for young black men in the 90s.. never saw him as more than a rapper.

[joe]

What musicians do you consider artists? Outside of rap

Green Day, Weezer, Temptations, Sam Cooke, Eric Clapton, Sheryl Crowe, Third Eye Blind, Mary J Blige, Brad Paisley.

A lot of times certain songs will qualify for me even if the artist as a whole does not. Kanye West has a few songs that I think are amazing, mostly from his first album. I think he has dumbed himself down intentionally since then.

Other times, a musician I think of as an artist makes songs that don't qualify. Eminem has a few of those, like the ones he did with 50 cent. We all die one day is one case. The song he did with Jadakiss, Welcome to D-Block.

I also want to say, I dont know if all of the above artists write their songs. I judge their songs and then attribute it to them, but I guess the real praise goes to the song writer. That is why I dont list someone like Elton John. He is obviously a great musician, a world class artist when it comes to playing the instruments. But the words obviously are not his credit. Does Mary J Blige write her words? Not sure. If not than I wouldnt have her on this list.

[DoodleDa]

Would love for you to show me just ONE guy today who you think is better than ANYBODY from the 90s & early 00s..... :)

Random Verses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHLToTbHuW4

Actual Songs:
http://youtu.be/T3JgUT-fa3A?t=41s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU4F-Nj37vg

[Just2McFly]

When I find another type of music that connects with me on a level deeper than hip hop, I'll like it a little bit less.

[L.Kizzle]

When I find another type of music that connects with me on a level deeper than hip hop, I'll like it a little bit less.
Try some good ol Blues. Little Johnny Taylor Bobby Blue Bland Little Milton.

[DonDadda59]

In my opinion, you are not a music artist just because you write some words on a piece of paper and record it. Biggie smalls is not an artist. He is a rapper... he has flow, delivery, ''hot'' lyrics, but he doesn't have any meaning or emotion behind it. Real art from Biggie would have been a song about why he felt the need to contrive his past and act like he lived poor when he really didn't. A thoughtful look into his own psyche and emotions. Not the mask he put on for everyone to see.. bravado.

It is like teenagers. A lot of them are self conscious and trying their best to fit in. So they act loud, obnoxious, reckless. But a self-conscious teenager rapping about how tough he is is not art. The art would be when he wonders why he was so worried about fitting in, analyzes his actions and feels guilt, regret, or even happiness. Some thought put into it besides saying whatever sounds good to try and get rich, I.E. most rap.

Have you ever actually listened to Biggie in depth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GygEAcFFMVs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rogvlB2SP4k

^Is that what you're looking for? Does that qualify him as an 'artist' in your narrow perspective? :confusedshrug:

His whole first album (the only one released during his lifetime) was full of introspective tracks about his struggle with suicidal thoughts, depression, self-loathing, etc.

[Nick Young]

Did Waka Flocka kill hip hop or was it Yung Joc?

[Real14]

Did Waka Flocka kill hip hop or was it Yung Joc?
soulja boy

[joe]

Have you ever actually listened to Biggie in depth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GygEAcFFMVs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rogvlB2SP4k

^Is that what you're looking for? Does that qualify him as an 'artist' in your narrow perspective? :confusedshrug:

His whole first album (the only one released during his lifetime) was full of introspective tracks about his struggle with suicidal thoughts, depression, self-loathing, etc.

That suicide song is shallow man. ''Id rather go to hell.. God wont let me get my dick licked.'' Stupid. And yes I used to listen to that album in full when I was younger, track one to track done. Its Biggie trying to be deep and he just isnt. ''No lounging with the goodies goodies, I like black timbs and black hoodies.'' Bravado. Carefully protected image. ''I wonder if my Mom will even miss me'' ...Why do you wonder that? What facts of your relationship make you feel she wouldn't miss you? Oh, you and your girls sister had something going on? How do you feel about that? Do you regret it? He just states things with no emotion behind it and no explanation. Shallow things that sound like what you would imagine a truly troubled person would think. Where is any semblance of pain in his voice during this supposed suicide phone call? There is none.. just a monotone flow the whole way.

Listening to the second one now.....

The chorus states he doesn't want to live anymore. I feel he didn't live up to that theme, despite some interesting lines in the beginning. The rest of the song he just talks about robbing people and being a gangsta. What is the point of this song besides an excuse to pump himself up and sound badass? He's basically shouting ''I'm the man, I rob people, **** you, buy my album.'' He nonchalantly mentions someone who I guess is his friend being murdered. No elaboration. No emotional response. He just claims it happened and moves on. Blah

[yungtyrekeevans]

dudes on here funny.

find some bruh spittin a whole bunch of big words togetha and hes a real rapper, even if the shit dont make much sense. rap better than ever, and rappers deeper than ever. truth. more diversity too. aint all the same shit and dudes tryin to do the same damn thing.

[NumberSix]

That new Yelawolf song "till it's gone" that came out yesterday is pretty good.

[CeltsGarlic]

dudes on here funny.

find some bruh spittin a whole bunch of big words togetha and hes a real rapper, even if the shit dont make much sense. rap better than ever, and rappers deeper than ever. truth. more diversity too. aint all the same shit and dudes tryin to do the same damn thing.
the same i was saying couple pages ago, but guys here like to continuously whine how "its not the good ol days anymore", then turn on bobby shmurda, while sharing some wu tang stuff on FB...

[joe]

So lyrics are the qualifying factor for if it's art or not?

John Williams isn't an artist

But green day, one of the corniest bands in the world is?

Did I not say that Elton John is a brilliant artist as a musician? I am not quick to judge an instrument player either, whether positively or negatively, because I have far less understanding of instruments than I do of lyrics. I know a guitar riff sounds good when I hear it, but I couldnt tell you why or how difficult it was. Not something I know a whole lot about.

Green days album Dookie is one of the best rock albums ever, IMO. It is art as I define it; emotionally thoughtful, honest, captures what feels like a moment in time of the writers life. The songs altogether tell a story. It is a person not knowing who he is, feeling like he's going crazy, learning what he is not. It is real. Green Day has made some bad songs, but that album doesn't have one of them.

[joe]

Ah misread what you wrote about Elton

Technically difficulty doesn't matter to me, just if it sounds good. Some of the most difficult to play music is the wackest. (Some difficult pieces are also amazing)

Yeah I just... I respect people that are great with their instruments. But it is another world to me. I dont really get where the emotion comes from to play a certain tune. I guess if it sounds sad, the note writer was sad. But I dont know, it seems more complicated and technical than that. What is the tune of Hotel California signifying? It sounds amazing, that is all I know.

[LALakerFan4Life]

Did Waka Flocka kill hip hop or was it Yung Joc?
This new generation of Southern rappers killed hip-hop. Along with most of the rappers from other regions that wants to sound like they're from the South.

[ducktape]

This new generation of Southern rappers killed hip-hop. Along with most of the rappers from other regions that wants to sound like they're from the South.
they didn't kill hip hop if they're on the tonight show starring jimmy fallon

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[L.Kizzle]

Future is terrible. I used to think T Pain was bad. Future makes T Pain sould like Sam Cooke.

They have a new DJ Khaled song with I guess the it guys in R&B. Future Jeremiah Agust Alsina and Chris Brown. Thats an ear bleeder for yo ass.

[Just2McFly]

Future is terrible. I used to think T Pain was bad. Future makes T Pain sould like Sam Cooke.

They have a new DJ Khaled song with I guess the it guys in R&B. Future Jeremiah Agust Alsina and Chris Brown. Thats an ear bleeder for yo ass.
Every chance you have to act like a nostalgic idiot you take it. You guys will complain until you croak, have fun with that weak ass outlook on life. Some of the best singers that have ever walked this earth have been influenced by hip hop.

[ROCSteady]

Every chance you have to act like a nostalgic idiot you take it. You guys will complain until you croak, have fun with that weak ass outlook on life. Some of the best singers that have ever walked this earth have been influenced by hip hop.

Explain

[L.Kizzle]

Every chance you have to act like a nostalgic idiot you take it. You guys will complain until you croak, have fun with that weak ass outlook on life. Some of the best singers that have ever walked this earth have been influenced by hip hop.
Didn't know giving TPain props is nostalgic?