When someone brings the TS stat into the argument, you know...

[JtotheIzzo]

...they are grasping at straws and about to lose the argument.

[Legends66NBA7]

Depends on the context. I prefer using splits and volume over advanced metrics like TS and eFG, but sometimes it can be easy pickings as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxi8aLLCAAA_h55.png

[JtotheIzzo]

Depends on the context. I prefer using splits and volume over advanced metrics like TS and eFG, but sometimes it can be easy pickings as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxi8aLLCAAA_h55.png

It looks good when comparing one team, who played everyone, and was never challenged, but comparing players' careers, specific seasons in an attempt to find who is better? Its garbage.

[comerb]

I thought we were banning shitty trolls now?

[Inferno]

So efficiency is a bad argument?

[kennethgriffin]

shooting percentage is relative to position, usage and range of shots




ray allen shot 45%. he's one of the best shooters ever


rick barry shot 45%. he's one of the best shooters ever


reggie miller shot 46%. he's one of the best shooters ever




people who take 5-6k three point attempts don't usually shoot over 50% fg's... especially if theyre high volume scorers

[Milbuck]

So instead of refuting any of my points in that retarded Irving/Love thread, you make another retarded thread dismissing one of the few advanced stats that is actually worthwhile?

[JT123]

shooting percentage is relative to position, usage and range of shots




ray allen shot 45%. he's one of the best shooters ever


rick barry shot 45%. he's one of the best shooters ever


reggie miller shot 46%. he's one of the best shooters ever




people who take 5-6k three point attempts don't usually shoot over 50% fg's... especially if theyre high volume scorers



Wonder how many Lebron is on pace to attempt in his career. He attempted 4 per game last season, and will surely shoot more as he ages and becomes a less effective driver.

[JtotheIzzo]

So instead of refuting any of my points in that retarded Irving/Love thread, you make another retarded thread dismissing one of the few advanced stats that is actually worthwhile?

Its not about you Millchuck, don't be so self-centered.

KG nailed it above.

[Inactive]

Its not about you Millchuck, don't be so self-centered.

KG nailed it above.He didn't even say anything about TS%. His post was completely off topic, but he nailed it?

[CelticBalla32]

When anyone bases their argument on stats alone, it isn't worth it.

[ImKobe]

shooting percentage is relative to position, usage and range of shots




ray allen shot 45%. he's one of the best shooters ever


rick barry shot 45%. he's one of the best shooters ever


reggie miller shot 46%. he's one of the best shooters ever




people who take 5-6k three point attempts don't usually shoot over 50% fg's... especially if theyre high volume scorers




Point is that statistics are USELESS without context.

[Reggie43]

reggie miller shot 47%. he's one of the best shooters ever


Fixed

[Sarcastic]

So efficiency is a bad argument?


Without context, yea it is.

[Dresta]

Depends on the context. I prefer using splits and volume over advanced metrics like TS and eFG, but sometimes it can be easy pickings as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxi8aLLCAAA_h55.png
Ahhh, that damn disorientating and slippery FIBA ball. I see all the guys struggled with it and not just a single player.

[Hoopz2332]

...they are grasping at straws and about to lose the argument.


I agree. Im good with raw Fg%. TS is one of those things Kobe fans like to grasp for to make Kobe look more/as eff as Jordan and lebron:biggums:

[stalkerforlife]

If you take a lot of threes and get to the line a lot, you obviously can't use raw field goal percentage as indicator of effectiveness.

Stop trolling.

[Lebron23]

If you take a lot of threes and get to the line a lot, you obviously can't use raw field goal percentage as indicator of effectiveness.

Stop trolling.


You have a nice hair Justin.

[stalkerforlife]

You have a nice hair Justin.

Thank you.

When have you seen my pictures?

I wish I could post them here, but it won't allow me.

[Lebron23]

Thank you.

When have you seen my pictures?

I wish I could post them here, but it won't allow me.


https://www.facebook.com/justin.lee.71619

Tinypic

[stalkerforlife]

https://www.facebook.com/justin.lee.71619

Tinypic

lol

How did you get my facebook?

[Lebron23]

lol

How did you get my facebook?


Secret

[stalkerforlife]

Secret

:lol

You are a great hacker and stalker.

Please don't harm me.

[ralph_i_el]

-Getting fouled and sent to the line often negates a rim attempt (a high fg% look)

-3's go in less often...but are worth 1.5x as many points


obviously fg% is waaaay flawed compared to TS%. If you think otherwise you're a troll, or have a very tenuous grasp on math.

[SamuraiSWISH]

TS is a fabricated way to boost efficiency. free throws are awarded for a multitude of reasons and they're non defended shots. combining those percentages with real defended field goal attempts makes absolutely so damn sense.

[moe94]

TS is a fabricated way to boost efficiency. free throws are awarded for a multitude of reasons and they're non defended shots. combining those percentages with real defended field goal attempts makes absolutely so damn sense.

But shouldn't the ability to get to the line and covert be part of your efficiency and ability to put the ball in the basket? :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

But shouldn't the ability to get to the line and covert be part of your efficiency and ability to put the ball in the basket? :confusedshrug:
people don't get to the line exclusively on their ability to draw fouls. it's not always a skill or ability based. it's also highly dependant on officiating tendencies. it's a separate category for a reason. it's a stoppage of play field goal attempt.

[GrapeApe]

My only issue with TS%, as others have alluded to, is the element of variance due to subjectivity. Not only do officiating tendencies vary from game to game, they are typically vastly different in the playoffs. A player who is heavily dependent on getting to the line may struggle more in the postseason than a player who shoots a higher raw fg%.

[ralph_i_el]

My only issue with TS%, as others have alluded to, is the element of variance due to subjectivity. Not only do officiating tendencies vary from game to game, they are typically vastly different in the playoffs. A player who is heavily dependent on getting to the line may struggle more in the postseason than a player who shoots a higher raw fg%.
^This is 100% true though.

[Young X]

If two teams have the same amount of rebounds and turnovers, the team with the highest TS% always wins...

If you just look at FG% then a team that goes 35/80 from the field and 10/10 from the line with 10 threes made will lose to a team that goes 40/80 and 4/10 from the line with no threes made.

If you wanna exclude FT's you should use EFG%, FG% is damn near useless, this ain't 1975.

My only issue with TS%, as others have alluded to, is the element of variance due to subjectivity. Not only do officiating tendencies vary from game to game, they are typically vastly different in the playoffs. A player who is heavily dependent on getting to the line may struggle more in the postseason than a player who shoots a higher raw fg%.That will show in their playoff TS%.

[Legends66NBA7]

If two teams have the same amount of rebounds and turnovers, the team with the highest TS% always wins...

If you just look at FG% then a team that goes 35/80 from the field and 10/10 from the line with 10 threes made will lose to a team that goes 40/80 and 4/10 from the line with no threes made.

If you wanna exclude FT's you should use EFG%, FG% is damn near useless, this ain't 1975.
That will show in their playoff TS%.

Further proof that advanced stats should just remain as team stats.

[dubeta]

FT% should be eliminated from the stat, it skews ts% for the Hardens and Durants of the world

Make it just fg% an 3 pt %

[Young X]

FT% should be eliminated from the stat, it skews ts% for the Hardens and Durants of the world

Make it just fg% an 3 pt %Why would you eliminate FT's when they are the easiest way teams score? What's wrong with certain players being better at drawing fouls than others, wouldn't you want that on your team?

[gts]

FT% should be eliminated from the stat, it skews ts% for the Hardens and Durants of the world

Make it just fg% an 3 pt %



That's called EFG%