Education makes you think like a poor person ..

[IamRAMBO24]

1. Too much slave history, which makes young black men feel like victims and white men feel sorry for them. Black empowerment (Malcolm X) is shun while 99% of MLK's accomplishments barely get a mention.

2. Most books are from the perspective of poor protagonists.

3. Although Edison is a successful businessman, he is a failure at many inventions.

4. Einstein (greatest mind of all time) was a retard according to our education.

Those are a few of the examples, but if you pay attention, you will find a systematic way of structuring the mind to think on poor terms. If you want to be rich, you think like a rich person; if you want to be poor, you think .. you get the point. It's all a matter of perspective and what values are being taught that determine the attitude a child has towards life.

[Akrazotile]

You make this same thread each month but the reality is it doesn't matter what you tell people. They're gonna be who they are regardless. Yes men gonna yes men, mavericks gonna maverick. You're not gonna change any minds here. It is what it is. Most people are wired to go safely with the flow. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/humans-naturally-follow-crowd-behavior-1410543908)

[Le Shaqtus]

You're an inspiration to aspiring teachers everywhere.

[IamRAMBO24]

You make this same thread each month but the reality is it doesn't matter what you tell people. They're gonna be who they are regardless. Yes men gonna yes men, mavericks gonna maverick. You're not gonna change any minds here. It is what it is. Most people are wired to go safely with the flow. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/humans-naturally-follow-crowd-behavior-1410543908)

Education is the most important aspect of your entire perspective. People act and think based on the values being taught, so it could be the root of many people's problems in life.

It shows in their behavior too: lack of motivation, goals, procrastination, etc.

The greatest thing I did for myself was to recognize the poor mentality and change it around.

[IamRAMBO24]

You're an inspiration to aspiring teachers everywhere.

The purpose of education is to structure the mind to conform. Inspiration and creativity are powerful weapons anybody can have if used correctly, so it is in the best interest of those in power to keep the mind uninspired and uncreative.

[GimmeThat]

I haven't found too much fault in how the societies have come up with how someone should spend the first 15-18 years of their life.

in regards to knowledge and human history.

it's probably more so a matter of whether or not you think happy people are just f*cked up.

[IamRAMBO24]

Most people are wired to go safely with the flow. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/humans-naturally-follow-crowd-behavior-1410543908)

I have to disagree. In public education, almost all work are structure to teach confromity. The classification you do in biology, grouping odds and even numbers, compare and contrast, outlines, and even multiple choice questions (find the 3-5 similar wrong answers in order to get the correct one). You do this for 12 years and a couple more in college and more than likely most students will only see reality on a generalized term. Why do you think stereotypes are so popular although all are fallacious in nature?

[IamRAMBO24]

Inspiration and creativity can, by definition, not be had by everyone. If everyone was creative, then creativity is just now mediocrity.

Everyone is creative. Everyone can be inspired. Learning is not hard; learning in and of itself is a natural process of human developement. It is the act of controlling these humanistic natural born gifts is what makes students uninspired.

Most students procrastinate, don't care to do their work, find learning a chore .. the problem is not learning; the problem is the methodology that is deliberately making them that way.

[Raymone]

Rambo didn't go to college.

[Myth]

This bullshit again, OP? Do you just feel shame about a lack of education of your own or something?

[GimmeThat]

Rambo didn't go to college.


lets just hope the choice to choose who one associates with is not related/associated with their decision in regards to their choice on education.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Pic of OP when he was a baby with his parents
http://i.imgur.com/1g55uqH.jpg

[KyleKong]

Lol

[IamRAMBO24]

Rambo didn't go to college.

For me to introspect this deeply, I must see truths others cannot see which makes me smarter.

Everything I am saying is backed up by facts. This is the methodololgy of Benjamin Bloom. He was hired to write the curriculum that conditions the mind to be structure for conformity.

A whole host of problems can arise from this; in fact, I can argue it is the root of a host of problems for the student; if a student is conditioned to be uninspired and only for conformity, he will behave that way for all aspects of his life and not just education.

Look at the facts: students are lazy and uninspired. They tend to procrastinate and rarely do they exercise any sort of introspection that deviates from the norm.

[iTare]

Lol
ur amazing

[joe]

I wouldnt say it makes you think like a poor person. How do poor people think? Feels too general.

Does it make learning boring? Yes. It strips away critical thinking and analysis. Encourages you to be submissive. Holds back the smarter kids. Ignores introspection and self analysis. Serves terrible unhealthy food. Teachers you to memorize facts instead of actually learn. Pushes an agenda in history class. Wastes several years of your life. Forces people who are quite old, really (17-18 year olds) to take classes they have no interest in, even if they would have interest in other classes. Throws kids to the wolves, socially.

[Dresta]

I wouldnt say it makes you think like a poor person. How do poor people think? Feels too general.

Does it make learning boring? Yes. It strips away critical thinking and analysis. Encourages you to be submissive. Holds back the smarter kids. Ignores introspection and self analysis. Serves terrible unhealthy food. Teachers you to memorize facts instead of actually learn. Pushes an agenda in history class. Wastes several years of your life. Forces people who are quite old, really (17-18 year olds) to take classes they have no interest in, even if they would have interest in other classes. Throws kids to the wolves, socially.
This is what particularly annoys me: the constant need to infantilise children into their late teens, to prevent them growing up, to make it near impossible for them to get a reasonable or even slightly rigorous education during these most important formative years. There are no standards in education; kids are coddled and never pushed, and hence human potential is limited. This is all so obvious as to be almost platitudinous, yet most don't want to acknowledge it, and continue to pretend that there is nothing wrong with falling academic standards combined with an ever-growing mass of university educated drones unable to find work, and incapable of supporting themselves.

There are many examples showing that human beings are capable of very advanced education before the age of 18 (if not constrained by the mass-standardisation of public education), and what is needed to be known nowadays by an 18-year old should be within the intellectual grasp of a 12-year old. Mandatory state education has simply become a means of hiding unemployment and making the stats look better - at least that is how it is viewed by the elites who control it.

You really have to suffer under incredible delusions to think a state-controlled education system would help any but the most idiotic. Rather, i would say public education tends to make people think they are more intelligent than they really are (because they've been 'educated' of course), and this only makes them unaware of the extent of their own ignorance (something that should be the starting point of any good education). Basically, it produces a load of arrogant and conceited morons, who think they know what they're talking about but actually haven't a clue.

[Bandito]

Rambo didn't go to college.
He went, he is just a moron that didn't pass any of his 101 classes:lol

[Lebron23]

He went, he is just a moron that didn't pass any of his 101 classes:lol


is he really asian??

[Bandito]

is he really asian??
Sadly yes, a detriment to your race for sure...

[nathanjizzle]

iramble is out of touch with reality.

[Nick Young]

University education is good at turning people in to worker drones and training people up to become subordinate underlings, atleast in America and the UK. It also does not teach a lot of basic things that are required to succeed in life.

[Nick Young]

[/B]

You really have to suffer under incredible delusions to think a state-controlled education system would help any but the most idiotic. Rather, i would say public education tends to make people think they are more intelligent than they really are (because they've been 'educated' of course), and this only makes them unaware of the extent of their own ignorance (something that should be the starting point of any good education). Basically, it produces a load of arrogant and conceited morons, who think they know what they're talking about but actually haven't a clue.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

Also these arrogant assholes look down on people without university degrees, and believe in their heads that they are better then people without degrees.:facepalm

[StephHamann]

1. Too much slave history, which makes young black men feel like victims and white men feel sorry for them. Black empowerment (Malcolm X) is shun while 99% of MLK's accomplishments barely get a mention.

2. Most books are from the perspective of poor protagonists.

3. Although Edison is a successful businessman, he is a failure at many inventions.

4. Einstein (greatest mind of all time) was a retard according to our education.

Those are a few of the examples, but if you pay attention, you will find a systematic way of structuring the mind to think on poor terms. If you want to be rich, you think like a rich person; if you want to be poor, you think .. you get the point. It's all a matter of perspective and what values are being taught that determine the attitude a child has towards life.


http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b494/WhatShouldThe90CallMe/39876-The-Rock-applauds-applause-cla-OmWp_zps813065b8.gif

You think like a poor person even without education

http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b494/WhatShouldThe90CallMe/39876-The-Rock-applauds-applause-cla-OmWp_zps813065b8.gif

[niko]

You're a person who has no education, works in fast food, thinks conspiracy theories on aliens on youtube is hard science. No one is going to take their advice on how to chance their life from you. Nor should they.

[KevinNYC]

Everything I am saying is backed up by facts. This is the methodololgy of Benjamin Bloom. He was hired to write the curriculum that conditions the mind to be structure for conformity.

And where is your support for this fact?

Also you don't a curriculum is and and you surely don't know how it gets written.

You don't even know how funny that is, that you think one person wrote all the curricula for country.

[ballup]

I bet OP wrote this rambling right after he got out of his favorite philosophy class

[KevinNYC]

For me to introspect this deeply, I must see truths others cannot see which makes me smarter.

Everything I am saying is backed up by facts. This is the methodololgy of Benjamin Bloom. He was hired to write the curriculum that conditions the mind to be structure for conformity.

A whole host of problems can arise from this; in fact, I can argue it is the root of a host of problems for the student; if a student is conditioned to be uninspired and only for conformity, he will behave that way for all aspects of his life and not just education.

Look at the facts: students are lazy and uninspired. They tend to procrastinate and rarely do they exercise any sort of introspection that deviates from the norm.

For background on this thread, you can check out this one (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323917) where among other things, Rambo
completely mistates what Bloom actually taught,
Uses a fake quote to discredit Bloom
Cites this conspiracy theorist (http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest231.htm) to back up his misinformation about Benjamin Bloom.


If you want to read about how Bloom was actually regarded by non-cranks, you can check this obituary. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-09-15/news/9909150191_1_early-childhood-education-mr-bloom-thomas-guskey)

Before Benjamin Bloom came along, the conventional wisdom in the education field was that educators could only do so much to help underachieving students succeed. If the students lived in poverty with parents who didn't play much of a role in their learning, many believed they were destined to do worse than their peers.

But Bloom, a University of Chicago education professor, helped change that mentality with his own pioneering research in the late 1950s, espousing a theme that has become a mantra of the education field today: all children can learn.

Sounds like an evil bastard, doesn't he?

You should read that Rambo, it includes the proper use of the word curricula.

[Godzuki]

Rambo didn't go to college.


Youtube University

[nathanjizzle]

i doubt iramble is even competent enough to get into khan academy.

[dunksby]

OP is either a millionaire or a bum but sure as hell aint educated.

[Le Shaqtus]

OP is either a millionaire or a bum but sure as hell aint educated.

No Millionaire would spend their time pretending to be an intellectual on ISH.

[Myth]

Everything I am saying is backed up by facts.


Education makes you think like a poor person


Too bad you never learned what facts are.

[DukeDelonte13]

No Millionaire would spend their time pretending to be an intellectual on ISH.


ding ding ding.

we got too many of those people on these boards.


Education is what the student makes of it.

[boozehound]

why do people even respond to this moron? This guy went full retard before he was even born.

[boozehound]

No Millionaire would spend their time pretending to be an intellectual on ISH.
if rambo is what passes for an intellectual on this site
:whatever: :whatever:

He is like the guy who pretends to read the dictionary while in a public place because that is what he thinks people will interpret as smart. Dude is a moron and a clownshoe (not even a pair).

[IamRAMBO24]

if rambo is what passes for an intellectual on this site
:whatever: :whatever:

He is like the guy who pretends to read the dictionary while in a public place because that is what he thinks people will interpret as smart. Dude is a moron and a clownshoe (not even a pair).

It's hard for you to accept, but like all of my premises, it rest on facts.

Fact #1: Benjamin Bloom wrote the curriculum to condition conformity.

Fact #2: as a result of this conditioning, students are not motivated since the sole purpose of education is to condition the behavior of students.


Lack of motivation is a real and pressing problem. Upwards of 40 percent of high school students are chronically disengaged from school, according to a 2003 National Research Council report on motivation. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmarshallcrotty/2013/03/13/motivation-matters-40-of-high-school-students-chronically-disengaged-from-school/)according to a 2003 National Research Council report on motivation.

Call me what you want to call me, you can't argue facts.

[IamRAMBO24]

For background on this thread, you can check out this one (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323917) where among other things, Rambo
completely mistates what Bloom actually taught,
Uses a fake quote to discredit Bloom
Cites this conspiracy theorist (http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest231.htm) to back up his misinformation about Benjamin Bloom.


If you want to read about how Bloom was actually regarded by non-cranks, you can check this obituary. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-09-15/news/9909150191_1_early-childhood-education-mr-bloom-thomas-guskey)


Sounds like an evil bastard, doesn't he?

You should read that Rambo, it includes the proper use of the word curricula.

You try too hard.




There is a school of thought that presumes all children can learn if they are provided with the appropriate learning conditions. Learning for mastery or mastery learning, are terms coined by Benjamin Bloom in 1968 and 1971 respectively.

The concept of mastery learning can be attributed to the behaviorism principles of operant conditioning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastery_learning

It is hard to find information on Bloom on the internet (I read all his books) but it is a FACT that he is a behavioral psychologist and uses operant conditioning to alter the behaviors of students.

That's what he said; that's the purpose of education: to change the behavior, not to actually teach, hence why he said "memorization is the lowest level of thinking" ..

[oarabbus]

You try too hard.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastery_learning

It is hard to find information on Bloom on the internet (I read all his books) but it is a FACT that he is a behavioral psychologist and uses operant conditioning to alter the behaviors of students.

That's what he said; that's the purpose of education: to change the behavior, not to actually teach, hence why he said "memorization is the lowest level of thinking" ..


So one bonehead who doesn't have literature online said that the prupose of education is to change behavior, not actually teach.

[IamRAMBO24]

Too bad you never learned what facts are.

I disagree with the way the system structures the mind of the student.

1. Truth should be found on concrete ideas through introspection, logic, and mathematics. Merely observing something and then conforming to a popular opinion (generalization) yields very little truth.

2. Learning should be harness through creativity, which is the root of inspiration. Bloom wanted to keep learning as simple as possible, to deviate from introspection and imagination, and structured the entire curriculum on memorization and repitition. What happens? Students think very little, get uninspired, learning becomes a chore, and they can no longer introspect because they are waiting for someone else with a higher authority to tell how to think.

As a result, you see a lack of energy and enthusiasm in the characteristics of students which is detrimental not only to education but their entire livlihood as well.

What you think is what you create: if the structure of your mind is to think on lazy terms (which Bloom is conditioning), it will reflect on your health and job success, so there is a correlation between this kind of thinking and overall well being.

[IamRAMBO24]

So one bonehead who doesn't have literature online said that the prupose of education is to change behavior, not actually teach.

Bloom got his methodology from vygotski. It's been a long time since I delve into this, but it goes something like this:

http://www.zcliu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/triangle2.jpg

Subject would be the students.

Object is just information and knowledge. This is why education is purely objective.

Instrument is the trigger. To manipulate the belief system and change the behavior, you give students enough objective information for them to assess a truth.

For example:

https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/5/24/1369412414558/Barack-Obama-011.jpg

You give only objective information on Obama. He is the 44th president of the US. You give his background, where he was born, etc. You do not deviate from objectivity and information (this is why textbooks are written like an instructional guide).

The trigger is through history. This is where the values are induce in the students. How does bloom do this? He would talk about how great the founding fathers were, make them into folklore heroes, and through methodologies of association (compare and contrast essays for example), students will associate the ideas of the founding fathers to Obama.

This just a small sample of how he would condition "patriotic fervor" or love of the government. The trigger is in history; that's where all your values and beliefs come from. Seriously look at what you believe in and it can all be attributable to what was talked about in history: women's rights, black rights, hatred of southerners, poor mentality, etc.

[oarabbus]

Bloom got his methodology from vygotski. It's been a long time since I delve into this, but it goes something like this:



Wait a second, Bloom and Vygotsky were both educated. Ergo they think like poor people, thus their statements are invalid.

[IamRAMBO24]

Wait a second, Bloom and Vygotsky were both educated. Ergo they think like poor people, thus their statements are invalid.

Both were geniuses from the school of Marxism. They didn't get their "education" from public education. Marxism is the greatest mind control outline in the history of civilization. A lot of people think marxism is socialism for the people, but it's really a psychological technique to control the minds of the masses (hence why the people in socialist countries have the least freedom).

When Marx talked about the poor overcoming the bourgeois, he's really warning them and providing them with a guideline on how to prevent that from happening.

[Myth]

I disagree with the way the system structures the mind of the student.

1. Truth should be found on concrete ideas through introspection, logic, and mathematics. Merely observing something and then conforming to a popular opinion (generalization) yields very little truth.

2. Learning should be harness through creativity, which is the root of inspiration. Bloom wanted to keep learning as simple as possible, to deviate from introspection and imagination, and structured the entire curriculum on memorization and repitition. What happens? Students think very little, get uninspired, learning becomes a chore, and they can no longer introspect because they are waiting for someone else with a higher authority to tell how to think.



I highlighted a few key words that show opinions, not facts. The long sentence at the end that is highlighted certainly does not apply to all students and is filled with tons of assumptions. You state it like it is cause and effect, which is false. At best, it is correlation, but I am waiting to see some evidence that shows it is more than just conjecture.

Again, you are not spitting out truth as you seem to think you are.

[Nanners]

4. Einstein (greatest mind of all time) was a retard according to our education.


the fvck? :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

I highlighted a few key words that show opinions, not facts. The long sentence at the end that is highlighted certainly does not apply to all students and is filled with tons of assumptions. You state it like it is cause and effect, which is false. At best, it is correlation, but I am waiting to see some evidence that shows it is more than just conjecture.

Again, you are not spitting out truth as you seem to think you are.

Ofc those are my opinions. I've stated the facts:

1. Bloom is a behavioral psychologist.

2. The purpose of education is not to teach but to condition the behaviors of students. Those are Bloom's words.

From these foundational facts, I presented my opinion on why it is detrimental to a person's values and belief system since the core of Vygotski's trigger system is to manipulate the values of students into a targetted perspective, which is to think very little, do as you are told, be obedient, don't introspect and memorize, vote Democrat, etc.

[IamRAMBO24]

the fvck? :oldlol:

I remember in grade school we were told he created the atom bomb, E=MC (although nobody told us what the f*ck it's about), and that point was emphasized a lot .. that he was special ed or some sh*t .. but that's just a small sample, they seem to emphasize and construct the idea of failure and poverty a lot. I mean sh*t history is all about slavery for the first 6 years.

[Nanners]

I remember in grade school we were told he created the atom bomb, E=MC (although nobody told us what the f*ck it's about), and that point was emphasized a lot .. that he was special ed or some sh*t .. but that's just a small sample, they seem to emphasize and construct the idea of failure and poverty a lot. I mean sh*t history is all about slavery for the first 6 years.

where the fvck did you go to school? my school did not teach anything about slavery until 6th or 7th grade, and they certainly didnt say that einstein was "special ed or some shit".

[Myth]

Ofc those are my opinions. I've stated the facts:

1. Bloom is a behavioral psychologist.

2. The purpose of education is not to teach but to condition the behaviors of students. Those are Bloom's words.

From these foundational facts, I presented my opinion on why it is detrimental to a person's values and belief system since the core of Vygotski's trigger system is to manipulate the values of students into a targetted perspective, which is to think very little, do as you are told, be obedient, don't introspect and memorize, vote Democrat, etc.

Bloom's words are opinions, not facts. It is a fact that he stated that stuff, but that doesn't make the stuff that he stated facts. It is a fallacy to claim your opinions are rooted in fact, when they are actually opinions based on opinions.

[IamRAMBO24]

Look at all the books you have to read .. it's all a bunch of poor people ... and maybe one rich perspective (Charles Dicken's scrooge) and it's about how evil they are. Look at Pride and Prejudice ... poor girl should marry a rich man ... Tale of Two Cities .. poor people being demoralised by rich people .. again and again .. most of these books are about how evil being rich is.

[IamRAMBO24]

Bloom's words are opinions, not facts. It is a fact that he stated that stuff, but that doesn't make the stuff that he stated facts. It is a fallacy to claim your opinions are rooted in fact, when they are actually opinions based on opinions.

He wrote the curriculum for the educational system.

[Jailblazers7]

Look at all the books you have to read .. it's all a bunch of poor people ... and maybe one rich perspective (Charles Dicken's scrooge) and it's about how evil they are. Look at Pride and Prejudice ... poor girl should marry a rich man ... Tale of Two Cities .. poor people being demoralised by rich people .. again and again .. most of these books are about how evil being rich is.

Lol the majority of the world thought evil people rich well before Bloom was even alive

[IamRAMBO24]

Lol the majority of the world thought evil people rich well before Bloom was even alive

The greatest secret of mankind:

If you want to be rich, you think like a rich person. If you want to be poor, you think poor. Your perspective is your entire life. It is the most powerful aspect of human existence.

This perspective is cultivated in your mind on purpose to conform.

[dr.hee]

He wrote the curriculum for the educational system.

So? He could write the curriculum for teaching kids how to shoot lightning out of their asses and turn people into stone when looking at them. Doesn't mean it works as intended. Or does it? Uh...wait...nah. It doesn't.

I know many people have this notion of Asians being educated and smart and shit...so thanks for showing this stereotype isn't always accurate. Good job, Rambo. Now go and get yourself a treat. F*ck a fatty or two. Then brag about it on ISH :applause:

[KevinNYC]

You try too hard.

Sez the guy who just put 20 posts trying to defend his bullshit. Did you think we would forget how you got everything about Bloom wrong in your earlier posts?
It is hard to find information on Bloom on the internet It's quite easy to find enough information to show that you do not know what the **** you are talking about with regards to Bloom and you are either too stupid to understand what he actually said or you are just interested in pushing a complete distortion of his theories.
That's what he said; that's the purpose of education: to change the behavior, not to actually teach, hence why he said "memorization is the lowest level of thinking" ..

Are we supposed to be scared of this? You keep acting like he wanted students to stay at the lowest level of thinking and that is the basic bullshit distortion you have been pushing.

You either got a really shitty psychology education or you're just full of shit.

[oarabbus]

Both were geniuses from the school of Marxism. They didn't get their "education" from public education. Marxism is the greatest mind control outline in the history of civilization. A lot of people think marxism is socialism for the people, but it's really a psychological technique to control the minds of the masses (hence why the people in socialist countries have the least freedom).

When Marx talked about the poor overcoming the bourgeois, he's really warning them and providing them with a guideline on how to prevent that from happening.


Except for the fact that Bloom attended Penn State and Vygotsky studied at Moscow State.

[KevinNYC]

Personally, I vote for full of shit because the it's quite easy to find the things Bloom is known for.

The importance of early education which led the development of Head Start.
The idea that all students can learn at high levels if the material is structured in a way that allows students to master each concept before moving the higher concept and if this concept is support in school and at home

His Taxonomy, which unlike the rote memorization that you claim
http://oaks.nvg.org/stairse.gif it is, is actually several steps leading to allowing students to make critical evaluations themselves.

His work on how talented people got where they did.

[KevinNYC]

He wrote the curriculum for the educational system.
This may be the most profoundly stupid thing you have ever said


Curricula are written by hundreds of thousands of people, you simpleton.

[IamRAMBO24]

Except for the fact that Bloom attended Penn State and Vygotsky studied at Moscow State.

They didn't get the education from modern education. Since it doesn't cultivate creativity, the future for our youths will yield very few geniuses and thinkers.

[IamRAMBO24]

Personally, I vote for full of shit because the it's quite easy to find the things Bloom is known for.

The importance of early education which led the development of Head Start.
The idea that all students can learn at high levels if the material is structured in a way that allows students to master each concept before moving the higher concept and if this concept is support in school and at home

His Taxonomy, which unlike the rote memorization that you claim
http://oaks.nvg.org/stairse.gif it is, is actually several steps leading to allowing students to make critical evaluations themselves.

His work on how talented people got where they did.

That is just the first stage (cognitive). The most important stage is psychomotor, which is to synthesize cognitive with affective to change the behavior. Psychomotor is the behavioral stage. Cognitive is only gathering information, hence why textbooks are presenting knowledge from an objective standpoint. Affective is the "value" stage where feelings and beliefs are slowly introduce through history. Your entire value system will be from history. This is why the more educated a person is the more likely they will be liberal, since history is a construction of socialistic ideas, which are ideas of a poor mentality, and also why they are more likely to be Democrats since they control the educational system.

The synthesis of cognitive and affective will affect psychomotor (behavior) .. a person will now act and feel based on this conditioning.

[shlver]

That is just the first stage (cognitive). The most important stage is psychomotor, which is to synthesize cognitive with affective to change the behavior. Psychomotor is the behavioral stage. Cognitive is only gathering information, hence why textbooks are presenting knowledge from an objective standpoint. Affective is the "value" stage where feelings and beliefs are slowly introduce through history. Your entire value system will be from history. This is why the more educated a person is the more likely they will be liberal, since history is a construction of socialistic ideas, which are ideas of a poor mentality, and also why they are more likely to be Democrats since they control the educational system.

The synthesis of cognitive and affective will affect psychomotor (behavior) .. a person will now act and feel based on this conditioning.
:facepalm

[KevinNYC]

That is just the first stage (cognitive). The most important stage is psychomotor, which is to synthesize cognitive with affective to change the behavior. Psychomotor is the behavioral stage. Cognitive is only gathering information, hence why textbooks are presenting knowledge from an objective standpoint. Affective is the "value" stage where feelings and beliefs are slowly introduce through history. Your entire value system will be from history. This is why the more educated a person is the more likely they will be liberal, since history is a construction of socialistic ideas, which are ideas of a poor mentality, and also why they are more likely to be Democrats since they control the educational system.

The synthesis of cognitive and affective will affect psychomotor (behavior) .. a person will now act and feel based on this conditioning.

A. It's not three sequential stages, you're still wrong about that. It's three parallel domains. Each domain there are sequential stages.

https://www.papermasters.com/images/taxonomy-learning.jpg

B. That is enough to prove what you saying is bullshit as it's quite clear he didn't intend for students to stay at the lowest level of thinking.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.researchinlearningtechnology.net/index.php/rlt/article/viewFile/19184/html/70517.jpg

Using Vygotski's triangle, the subject would be cognitive, mediating artifact (tools) would be affective domain, and the object = outcome would be psychomotor.

Cognitive - you only present objective information.

Affective - you introduce "values" through history. History is a free for all that conjures up feelings and emotions. This is the trigger to cultivate the belief system. Information alone is just information, but values create belief.

Cognitive + Affective = Psychomotor

The curriculum wants you to conform, so in history they will talk about the greatness of Democracy and then talk about Benedict Arnold and the evilness of being a traitor, which is why many people are anti-conspiracy talk. Since it is a liberal system, it will talk about the KKK and associate it with conservatism. It emphasizes greatly on slavery .. for what else? To think like a slave. All the poor protagonists in the books you read that worships the rich .. and women's rights .. black victimization .. the list goes on .. simply put .. education shapes your entire value system through this triangle.

[IGOTGAME]

this is the dumbest shit i've seen on here in some time

[IamRAMBO24]

this is the dumbest shit i've seen on here in some time

I agree it could either be the dumbest sh*t ever or the most introspective. The only person who has an inkling of Bloom's taxonomy is Kevnyc but I feel he doesn't know much about it. I was interested in this subject a while back and decided to vet it. I was surprise myself when everything I thought I choose to believe were pretty much conditioned down to what I believe was right and wrong.

I don't watch the news, go to church, and discuss politics because those are all conditioned responses .. I don't like the idea of others controlling what I should believe, what values I hold dear, and how my perspective should be .. that's the only true freedom I have.

Ideas flow easily to me; my imagination is rampant; inspiration comes easily .. a more positive outlook on life is easier to grasp (I am only negative online since the way I write is the opposite persona of who I truly am).

I'm not trying to be controversial or pick a fight. I believe the biggest slavery today is slavery of the mind .. our thoughts are no longer free .. if we don't have that, what else do we have ?

[niko]

I was surprise myself

Spend some time learning basic grammar and then tackle explaining to the rest of us how education isn't necessary.

[nathanjizzle]

the rawest and earliest forms of human civilization have a structure:lol

even indigenous people that live in the rain forest have a structure to their society. Who's the leader, who hunts, who cooks, what colors they wear, how they talk, what they believe and what the daily routine is. Thats just the design of human nature.

to make a post trying to discredit an established education system in the greatest country in the world because it is a structure that humans live by is idiocy. You would have an argument if it didnt work effectively, but obviously it does.

[IamRAMBO24]

Spend some time learning basic grammar and then tackle explaining to the rest of us how education isn't necessary.

This is online, not an english course. I can give two f*cks about my grammar. Hell, since you're such a b*tch about it imma start writing like Theoo now.

[IamRAMBO24]

to make a post trying to discredit an established education system in the greatest country in the world because it is a structure that humans live by is idiocy. You would have an argument if it didnt work effectively, but obviously it does.

The system is a failure.

[Nanners]

Spend some time learning basic grammar and then tackle explaining to the rest of us how education isn't necessary.

grammer is just a construct made by orlando bloom to control the brains of children and kill youre imagine. try opening youre mind up to the truth, brother.

[niko]

This is online, not an english course. I can give two f*cks about my grammar. Hell, since you're such a b*tch about it imma start writing like Theoo now.
You'd have to learn better grammar to be at Theoo's level.

[niko]

grammer is just a construct made by orlando bloom to control the brains of children and kill your imagine. you gotta open youre mind up, brother.
That's Legolas right?

[KevinNYC]

http://www.researchinlearningtechnology.net/index.php/rlt/article/viewFile/19184/html/70517.jpg

Using Vygotski's triangle, the subject would be cognitive, mediating artifact (tools) would be affective domain, and the object = outcome would be psychomotor.

Cognitive - you only present objective information.

Affective - you introduce "values" through history. History is a free for all that conjures up feelings and emotions. This is the trigger to cultivate the belief system. Information alone is just information, but values create belief.

Cognitive + Affective = Psychomotor

The curriculum wants you to conform, so in history they will talk about the greatness of Democracy and then talk about Benedict Arnold and the evilness of being a traitor, which is why many people are anti-conspiracy talk. Since it is a liberal system, it will talk about the KKK and associate it with conservatism. It emphasizes greatly on slavery .. for what else? To think like a slave. All the poor protagonists in the books you read that worships the rich .. and women's rights .. black victimization .. the list goes on .. simply put .. education shapes your entire value system through this triangle.

Holy Christ, so now you're on to misunderstanding Russians? It wasn't enough to completely misunderstand developments in US education?

Considering the example people use to explain the highest level of the pyschomotor domain is Michael Jordan playing basketball, how does that translate to the gibberish you just posted?

Also I'm sure that people used to admire traitors until Benjamin Bloom came along. :rolleyes:

[nathanjizzle]

The system is a failure.

Thats an empty statement. who actually wrote the computer program that you are using to post your idiot ideas online? college learned computer scientists. everytime you make a post discrediting the education system you are pretty much contradicting yourself. But thats too much objectivity for you to consider, you just want to live inside of your own delusion.

[IamRAMBO24]

Thats an empty statement. who actually wrote the computer program that you are using to post your idiot ideas online? college learned computer scientists. everytime you make a post discrediting the education system you are pretty much contradicting yourself. But thats too much objectivity for you to consider, you just want to live inside of your own delusion.

I'm talking about grade school ..

[niko]

I'm talking about grade school ..
That's where you learn grammar.

[DCL]

OP's making a very strong case to retain his title of dumbest poster of the year.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I'll do my best to influence those around me to exercise higher cognitive functions, my dear Rambo.

[GimmeThat]

if a poor person wonders about applications

I suspect you could argue a rich person wonders about merger and acquisition

[Nanners]

Rambo, I like you more than most other people around here do, but this might be the most goddamn retarded thread I have ever read on ISH.

For the record, the single most important factor in being rich or poor has nothing to do with education, its about the family you were born to.


However, in terms of relative mobility it stated: "contrary to American beliefs about equality of opportunity, a child’s economic position is heavily influenced by that of his or her parents."[3] 42% of children born to parents in the bottom fifth of the income distribution ("quintile") remain in the bottom, while 39% born to parents in the top fifth remain at the top.[3] Only half of the generation studied exceeded their parents economic standing by moving up one or more quintiles.[3] Moving between quintiles is more frequent in the middle quintiles (2-4) than in the lowest and highest quintiles. Of those in one of the quintiles 2-4 in 1996, approximately 35% stayed in the same quintile; and approximately 22% went up one quintile or down one quintile (moves of more than one quintile are rarer). 39% of those who were born into the top quintile as children in 1968 are likely to stay there, and 23% end up in the fourth quintile.[3] Children previously from lower-income families had only a 1% chance of having an income that ranks in the top 5%.[5] On the other hand, the children of wealthy families have a 22% chance of reaching the top 5%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility

Also, income is positively related to education, not negatively.


Multiple reports have found that education promotes economic mobility.[39][40][41] The report “Pursuing the American Dream: Economic Mobility Across Generations” found that a four-year college degree promotes upward mobility from the bottom and prevents downward mobility from the middle and top. For instance, having a four-year college degree makes someone born into the bottom quintile of income three times more likely to climb all the way to top as an adult.[39]

Wages and earnings correlate with education. A 2009 survey of young adults[42] who worked full-time [43] throughout a full year,[44] found the median income of whose without a high school diploma ($21,000) was below the poverty level for a family of four ($22,050)[45] and less than half of what whose with a bachelor's degree earned ($45,000).

[GimmeThat]

Rambo, I like you more than most other people around here do, but this might be the most goddamn retarded thread I have ever read on ISH.

For the record, the single most important factor in being rich or poor has nothing to do with education, its about the family you were born to.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility

Also, income is positively related to education, not negatively.


while I agree that being rich or poor might have something to do with the family you choose to create.

income is positively related to promotion. unless you are a successful individual/independent investor

[Nanners]

while I agree that being rich or poor might have something to do with the family you choose to create.

:biggums:

can you read? its about the family you were BORN TO, not the one you create.

if you have rich parents, chances are you will be rich. if you have poor parents, chances are you will be poor. of course there are exceptions to this, but the vast majority of the time this is how it goes down.

[GimmeThat]

:biggums:

can you read? its about the family you were BORN TO, not the one you create.

if you have rich parents, chances are you will be rich. if you have poor parents, chances are you will be poor. of course there are exceptions to this, but the vast majority of the time this is how it goes down.




well, if the King of England ever tries to make me a Duke.

he'd be an idiot, and I might just have to turn it down.

[Nanners]

well, if the King of England ever tries to make me a Duke.

he'd be an idiot, and I might just have to turn it down.

for sure. the thing is, there is no king of england :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

Wow so much hate. I'm just pointing out an observation based on a known fact.

The best way to protect a social conditioning is to arouse anger out of the person if someone challenges their belief system. Religion does it all the time by defining other's as sinners and education does the same thing by the use of the words "facts" and "objectivity." How is this any different from an all knowing God?

The fact is there are truths out there (much better I might add) that aren't even in the textbooks you read that claim to know everything there is to know about the world.

With that said, it shows how closed minded you guys are for getting mad when I have presented not only facts but sound reasoning to support the facts. If Kevnyc is getting his butthole all tangle up and using every line of fallacy to mischaracterize, shouldn't that say something? I've never seen him this insecure.

Btw, I'm not the only one who believes this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFf6_0T2ZoI

[IamRAMBO24]

That's where you learn grammar.

Why don't you get a job first before you school someone over grammar.

[IamRAMBO24]

Thats an empty statement. who actually wrote the computer program that you are using to post your idiot ideas online? college learned computer scientists. everytime you make a post discrediting the education system you are pretty much contradicting yourself. But thats too much objectivity for you to consider, you just want to live inside of your own delusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFf6_0T2ZoI

[IamRAMBO24]

OP's making a very strong case to retain his title of dumbest poster of the year.

I guess according to you Chomsky is an idiot too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFf6_0T2ZoI

[IamRAMBO24]

Holy Christ, so now you're on to misunderstanding Russians? It wasn't enough to completely misunderstand developments in US education?

Considering the example people use to explain the highest level of the pyschomotor domain is Michael Jordan playing basketball, how does that translate to the gibberish you just posted?

Also I'm sure that people used to admire traitors until Benjamin Bloom came along. :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFf6_0T2ZoI

[IamRAMBO24]

I'll do my best to influence those around me to exercise higher cognitive functions, my dear Rambo.

You're the only free thinker on my level. I know you would understand what I'm talking about.

[IamRAMBO24]

Rambo, I like you more than most other people around here do, but this might be the most goddamn retarded thread I have ever read on ISH.

For the record, the single most important factor in being rich or poor has nothing to do with education, its about the family you were born to.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility

Also, income is positively related to education, not negatively.

There are many people who came from poor families that became rich and famous. I think it is sad many students think they are average and genius and greatness is something rare. Fact is anybody can be anything they want to be. The power is in your creativity; inspiration is the most powerful drug in the world. With it, you don't need to eat or sleep. The energy is endless and you can mold yourself into anything you want to be if you can tap into your creativity, harness the energy from the substance (or ether, or God) and use that to cultivate the reality you want to live.

That is the greatest secret of mankind.

Who started the educational system? The 3 most powerful men in the world. They saw how socialist countries were able to control the population with Marxist ideology, and they wanted to do the same thing in this country.

Let me ask you one simple question:

If creativity is the source of all the greatest inventions and ideas in the world throughout history, then why is education discouraging the use of it?

Think about that long and hard.

[Bandito]

There are many people who came from poor families that became rich and famous. I think it is sad many students think they are average and genius and greatness is something rare. Fact is anybody can be anything they want to be. The power is in your creativity; inspiration is the most powerful drug in the world. With it, you don't need to eat or sleep. The energy is endless and you can mold yourself into anything you want to be if you can tap into your creativity, harness the energy from the substance (or ether, or God) and use that to cultivate the reality you want to live.

That is the greatest secret of mankind.

Who started the educational system? The 3 most powerful men in the world. They saw how socialist countries were able to control the population with Marxist ideology, and they wanted to do the same thing in this country.

Let me ask you one simple question:

If creativity is the source of all the greatest inventions and ideas in the world throughout history, then why is education discouraging the use of it?

Think about that long and hard.

I have something long and hard for you...

[IamRAMBO24]

[/B]

You really have to suffer under incredible delusions to think a state-controlled education system would help any but the most idiotic. Rather, i would say public education tends to make people think they are more intelligent than they really are (because they've been 'educated' of course), and this only makes them unaware of the extent of their own ignorance (something that should be the starting point of any good education). Basically, it produces a load of arrogant and conceited morons, who think they know what they're talking about but actually haven't a clue.

I'm so glad someone pointed this out. The system is very successful in cultivating a closed mindset that won't accept any other ideas not taught in the textbooks these kids read. Why? Because of the psychological manipulation of the words "facts" and "objective." Religion does the same thing with the idea of the all knowing God. Bloom is a pretty persuasive mind control freak.

These kids get real salty when you challenge their perception of reality. They are conditioned to be obedient to the government, so they get real mad when you talk about conspiracies; they are told the scientific perspective is the only perspective, so they hate all kinds of religion and philosophy; they believe in stereotypes since they have been molded to think on a generalized perspective of seeing the whole before the concrete .. they are mediocre and average since they have been told creativity is a gift only reserve for men of genius, not realizing it is something they can harness on their own ... they are liberal thinkers in favor of socialist ideals (goverment welfare programs, black victimization, hatred of the rich) because this is a poor man's mindset ... and if they are not liberal thinkers, then they are probably brainwashed by conservatism through the other mind control institution known as religion .. the list goes on ..

And these guys all think they are special individuals who came up with these ideas on their own .. that is the sad part.

The mind control in education is as bad as religion. At least in religion, you have other people telling you are fanatical. Hardly anyone ever criticizes Bloom.

[tiamartin2020]

Author is forgetting about the history perspective: all the examples belong to different times. Why not to take a look at the Silicon Valley today? I doubt you'll find one successful entrepreneur there without a degree. Everything depends on the education we choose and what knowledge we will gain from the university...



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[Lakers Legend#32]

Only one of Trump's poorly educated supporters would believe this.

[Axe]

Without education, people will be clueless and illiterate idiots.

[Hawker]

Author is forgetting about the history perspective: all the examples belong to different times. Why not to take a look at the Silicon Valley today? I doubt you'll find one successful entrepreneur there without a degree. Everything depends on the education we choose and what knowledge we will gain from the university...



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:roll:

Nice way to sneak an ad in.

[StickyWice]

This dumb logic

School good for thinking

But thinking people forget because media

Who know truth and except molder from xfile?

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