Question about vaccination

[sweggeh]

Why do people make fun of those who fear vaccinations of giving their children conditions like autism (I think its autism, maybe something else)? I am not too aware about the scientific side of this but I know a woman who is a friend of my mum whos kid was fine before the vaccination but after they got vaccinated they stopped talking completely and started shitting themselves.

Can anyone explain the beef between the two sides when it comes to vaccination, and your personal opinions? Why are people who are apprehensive to get their kid vaccinated for these reasons laughed at as idiots when they are many cases of these kinds of things happening? Genuinely curious.

[DeuceWallaces]

There's no beef because there's no proof that vaccinations can cause autism or other diseases. Anti-vacc people are idiots and putting their children at severe risk.

[rufuspaul]

Why do people make fun of those who fear vaccinations of giving their children conditions like autism (I think its autism, maybe something else)? I am not too aware about the scientific side of this but I know a woman who is a friend of my mum whos kid was fine before the vaccination but after they got vaccinated they stopped talking completely and started shitting themselves.

Can anyone explain the beef between the two sides when it comes to vaccination, and your personal opinions? Why are people who are apprehensive to get their kid vaccinated for these reasons laughed at as idiots when they are many cases of these kinds of things happening? Genuinely curious.


Because it's a bunch of pseudoscientific crap. I understand it though. Autism is very difficult to deal with as a parent. If you could pinpoint someone to blame, say the government for requiring vaccinations, you could sue for compensation. The problem is the facts don't support the hype. People still go for it though. They'd much rather believe Jenny McCarthy or Dr. Oz than actual peer reviewed studies.

[sweggeh]

What I dont get though is that imagine you are a mother and you got your healthy kid vaccinated and then boom almost immediately they develop autism. The kid I was talking about literally spoke pretty much for the last time that day. They became very autistic out of nowhere. Now imagine your his mother and you hear of a lot of other people out there who have had to exact same problem.

I dont know what is right and whats wrong in regards to this, but its very insensitive and arrogant to start ridiculing the intelligence and dismissing the legitimate complaints of people in this situation.

[Budadiiii]

People who trust the medical community are the idiots.

Just like all those idiots who get amalgam fillings who get exposed to mercury every second of their lives because of it.

Don't trust your idiot doctors people. Or your idiot dentists.

[AlphaWolf24]

There's no beef because there's no proof that vaccinations can cause autism or other diseases. Anti-vacc people are idiots and putting their children at severe risk.


Injecting a New born full of vaccines/toxins puts the child at far more more risk...especially to the Brain/neurological system

Waiting until 4 - 5 years old when most children start school is better , but still poses problems.


- But putting Vaccines into Child during their first weeks/months/year/years of life is the most idiotic thing a parent/doctor can do....:facepalm ( common sense folks)

[nightprowler10]

Injecting a New born full of vaccines/toxins puts the child at far more more risk...especially to the Brain/neurological system

Waiting until 4 - 5 years old when most children start school is better , but still poses problems.


- But putting Vaccines into Child during their first weeks/months/year/years of life is the most idiotic thing a parent/doctor can do....:facepalm ( common sense folks)
Are you being serious?

[Budadiiii]

Are you being serious?
Someone is questioning a vaccine? OH MY GOODNESS!

You guys are so ****ing brainwashed it's not even funny.

[JtotheIzzo]

Injecting a New born full of vaccines/toxins puts the child at far more more risk...especially to the Brain/neurological system

Waiting until 4 - 5 years old when most children start school is better , but still poses problems.


- But putting Vaccines into Child during their first weeks/months/year/years of life is the most idiotic thing a parent/doctor can do....:facepalm ( common sense folks)


wow, you are knowledgeable on this topic, you should do a TED talk on the subject.

[sweggeh]

Someone is questioning a vaccine? OH MY GOODNESS!

You guys are so ****ing brainwashed it's not even funny.

I know. The biggest idiots are guys like DeuceWallaces who try to shut down anyone who doesnt agree with the scientific consensus. Totally incapable of having an actual discussion of substance.

[Droid101]

Someone is questioning a vaccine? OH MY GOODNESS!

You guys are so ****ing brainwashed it's not even funny.
Brainwashed? The dude who did the study about vaccines causing autism admitted he faked it all and lost his medical license.

Vaccinate your kids you selfish assholes.

[niko]

All the diseases that we get vaccinated against kill far more kids than they vaccination does accidentally. I'll go with the thousand times better odds and get the kid vaccinated.

I have friends with autistic kids and that shit doesn't pop up one day. You might just notice or accept it one day, but it's there from the get go.

I find it a bit disgusting OP is using autism to do a trolling thread.

[Droid101]

http://www.antivaccinebodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html

[Gr]

Some vaccines are unnecessary. I would never skip the tetanus vaccine though, for example.

[sweggeh]

All the diseases that we get vaccinated against kill far more kids than they vaccination does accidentally. I'll go with the thousand times better odds and get the kid vaccinated.

I have friends with autistic kids and that shit doesn't pop up one day. You might just notice or accept it one day, but it's there from the get go.

I find it a bit disgusting OP is using autism to do a trolling thread.

Are you retarded? Does it look like Im trolling? Get a life and stop talking shit you dumb ****

[niko]

Yes you're trolling. Everything u do is troubling. You're a dick.

[Gr]

This is going to be a long thread of scaremongering idiots (vaccines will hurt you so don't get vaccinated) vs other scaremongering idiots (get all the vaccinations or we'll all die). It already started. I'm out.

[sweggeh]

Yes you're trolling. Everything u do is troubling. You're a dick.

Yeah Im a dick, so what. Want me to **** you in your face you *****?

[Budadiiii]

All these vaccine nutjobs injecting themselves AND THEIR CHILDREN with mercury and other toxic chemicals that will damage them more than a flu virus ever could.

I've never gotten a vaccine in my life and I haven't been sick in 6 years. My immune system was allowed to be built up and not suppressed from early childhood vaccines.

Isn't it funny how non vaccinated people are notoriously less sick than their vaccinated counterparts?

You retards don't know how the body works and NEVER WILL. :oldlol:

[DukeDelonte13]

All these vaccine nutjobs injecting themselves AND THEIR CHILDREN with mercury and other toxic chemicals that will damage them more than a flu virus ever could.

I've never gotten a vaccine in my life and I haven't been sick in 6 years. My immune system was allowed to be built up and not suppressed from early childhood vaccines.

Isn't it funny how non vaccinated people are notoriously less sick than their vaccinated counterparts?

You retards don't know how the body works and NEVER WILL. :oldlol:


i lol'ed.

[Shade8780]

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[Myth]

Why do people make fun of those who fear vaccinations of giving their children conditions like autism (I think its autism, maybe something else)? I am not too aware about the scientific side of this but I know a woman who is a friend of my mum whos kid was fine before the vaccination but after they got vaccinated they stopped talking completely and started shitting themselves.

Can anyone explain the beef between the two sides when it comes to vaccination, and your personal opinions? Why are people who are apprehensive to get their kid vaccinated for these reasons laughed at as idiots when they are many cases of these kinds of things happening? Genuinely curious.

There is no evidence that vaccinations cause autism. The myth started because autism is diagnosed roughly the same age that kids get vaccinations. Many parents look for an explanation, and because vaccinations take place around the same time, they associate it with that. But studies have not shown an increased risk.

It is no different than if people thought that graduating high school can lead to schizophrenia because most cases of schizophrenia are diagnosed around the age of 19.

[rufuspaul]

You retards don't know how the body works and NEVER WILL. :oldlol:


I just thank God every day that people like you are here to set us straight.

[Myth]

All these vaccine nutjobs injecting themselves AND THEIR CHILDREN with mercury and other toxic chemicals that will damage them more than a flu virus ever could.

I've never gotten a vaccine in my life and I haven't been sick in 6 years. My immune system was allowed to be built up and not suppressed from early childhood vaccines.

Isn't it funny how non vaccinated people are notoriously less sick than their vaccinated counterparts?

You retards don't know how the body works and NEVER WILL. :oldlol:

It is a shame those evil doctors created vaccinations. I bet the average life expectancy would be well over 100 if they were never invented.

[dunksby]

We now know why Budadiii is retarded.

[Myth]

We now know why Budadiii is retarded.

He skipped the retard vaccination?

[DeuceWallaces]

Yes you're trolling. Everything u do is troubling. You're a dick.

Maybe the dumb **** OP has autism and he's just trying to get to the bottom of it.

[Droid101]

All these vaccine nutjobs injecting themselves AND THEIR CHILDREN with mercury and other toxic chemicals that will damage them more than a flu virus ever could.

I've never gotten a vaccine in my life and I haven't been sick in 6 years. My immune system was allowed to be built up and not suppressed from early childhood vaccines.

Isn't it funny how non vaccinated people are notoriously less sick than their vaccinated counterparts?

You retards don't know how the body works and NEVER WILL. :oldlol:
Thanks to those of us who DID get vaccinated, you won't contract and die of polio. You should thank us every day of your life.

Vaccinations aren't for the ****ing flu.




Isn't it funny how non vaccinated people are notoriously less sick than their vaccinated counterparts?
[citation needed]

[AlphaWolf24]

Are you being serious?


All I'm saying is....

when YOU have Kids ...YOU do the research yourself before injecting a newborn Baby full of toxins/Viruses...do it for YOUR Kids.

I did the research, I did read up about the Vaccinations and what is in them.

I did research on how the diseases were eradicated...and yes ....Vaccines did help people ....so did access to clean water.....and food. ( clean water supply and ample amount of food supply helps your body's immune system far more then Vaccines)

- After researching, I came to the conclusion that if the Kids in question have access to clean water, ample food source and are not being subjected to a harmful lifestyle ( I.E. 3rd world country with no clean water, parents who are not looking out for the childs safety and sanitation , non access to a food supply) There is little to no need to pump the newborn full of Toxins.

Most Parents have a Newborn and take care of the child Keeping it close and Hopefully Breastfeeding.....at this state there is little to zero reason to inject toxins in the newborn

( Like I said...once they are older and their bodies are more developed then maybe it's a better time to start Vaccinations)



- My main point is....You know your children and how they will be raised....Some kids who do not have good parents or live in an area with lack of resources need Vaccinations to help their immune systems.( Lots of 3rd world countries)

But if your kids have clean water ( as most in the US do) ample food source ( Clearly the US does) there is no need to use Vaccines at such an early age....
Living a healthy Lifestyle is far better for your immune systems then Vaccines.

[AlphaWolf24]

Thanks to those of us who DID get vaccinated, you won't contract and die of polio. You should thank us every day of your life.

Vaccinations aren't for the ****ing flu.

[citation needed]


Many people who get Vaccinated still get the disease they were Vaccinated for....

Saying I got " Vaccinated " tell's very little...getting a Vaccine does not Guarantee the person will never get the disease


- who we should really be thanking are the people who brought upon the industrial revolution and more efficient sewer systems/septic tanks /plumbing....

Plumbing / sanitation and Water supply is BY FAR the most important step to fight of disease

Mortality rates have been dropping steadily from many diseases Before people were vaccinated for them...

http://www.insightbydesign.biz/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/us-deaths-1900-1965.jpg


Mortality rates have been dropping steadily from many diseases Before people were vaccinated for them........

[DeuceWallaces]

You look like an idiot... WHEN you go to the Rambo school of posting.

[AlphaWolf24]

You look like an idiot... WHEN you go to the Rambo school of posting.


When YO Testicles drop....then you can talk to me about Modern Medicine.

until then..TRT FO you "hermaphroditic" PAT looking MoFo...

[AlphaWolf24]

All the diseases that we get vaccinated against kill far more kids than they vaccination does accidentally. I'll go with the thousand times better odds and get the kid vaccinated.

I have friends with autistic kids and that shit doesn't pop up one day. You might just notice or accept it one day, but it's there from the get go.

I find it a bit disgusting OP is using autism to do a trolling thread.


Ok...when did the child get Vaccinated?

I have a co workers who got one of their sons vaccinated when he was only a few months old....( He was diagnosed with Autism at age 2 ,I believe )


I don't think any of us are experts or Know everything....including the experts.

That's why they call it "practicing Medicine"....but No one truly understands the effects Vaccines have on a very young child.

[niko]

Ok...when did the child get Vaccinated?

I have a co workers who got one of their sons vaccinated when he was only a few months old....( He was diagnosed with Autism at age 2 ,I believe )


I don't think any of us are experts or Know everything....including the experts.

That's why they call it "practicing Medicine"....but No one truly understands the effects Vaccines have on a very young child.

That's one of the stupidest sentences I've ever seen.

Vaccinations don't cause autism. It's ****ed up, and it kills you mentally, and you want a reason it happened. NOt that it's you, and your genetics, and god ****ing hates you. But that something happened. So you blame. But that's not it. it doesn't make any sense. I've know those two kids since birth, they always had the tendencies that became so apparent later on, you just could explain them away when they were small. (One is relatively high functioning but one is pretty low functioning.)

The thing is, if there was a possiblity this was true (and it would be just a possibility because most people don't get autism) the actual diseases pct wise are much more dangerous than the small pct of autism. So the thought that vaccinations can cause autism still don't mean you shouldn't vaccinate, because death is worse than autism, and those kind of diseases when small kill kids. Look up the data. Like flu. People don't like flu vacccines, but the actual flu kills shitloads of people.

[niko]

Anyone who allows their kids the possiblity of dying from preventable diseases to avoid links to other things that even if true, caused a much much lower pct of problems is just stupid. It makes no sense.

[DeuceWallaces]

Ok...when did the child get Vaccinated?

I have a co workers who got one of their sons vaccinated when he was only a few months old....( He was diagnosed with Autism at age 2 ,I believe )


I don't think any of us are experts or Know everything....including the experts.

That's why they call it "practicing Medicine"....but No one truly understands the effects Vaccines have on a very young child.

Holy shit. You have children?

Those poor kids. Some idiots should just have their balls cut off so we're not subjected to any of their offspring.

Lets hope yours make it in spite of you.

[AlphaWolf24]

That's one of the stupidest sentences I've ever seen.

Vaccinations don't cause autism. It's ****ed up, and it kills you mentally, and you want a reason it happened. NOt that it's you, and your genetics, and god ****ing hates you. But that something happened. So you blame. But that's not it. it doesn't make any sense. I've know those two kids since birth, they always had the tendencies that became so apparent later on, you just could explain them away when they were small. (One is relatively high functioning but one is pretty low functioning.)

The thing is, if there was a possiblity this was true (and it would be just a possibility because most people don't get autism) the actual diseases pct wise are much more dangerous than the small pct of autism. So the thought that vaccinations can cause autism still don't mean you shouldn't vaccinate, because death is worse than autism, and those kind of diseases when small kill kids. Look up the data. Like flu. People don't like flu vacccines, but the actual flu kills shitloads of people.


Bolded...(WTF)...you sippin on the Sake already?...how teach you to spoke?

- I'll try and interpolate...You are saying there could be numerous reasons why the child is Autistic...Genetics?....environment?...God?....

of course...We don't know the cause yet....



non Bolded - so you are basing your opinion on......someday a kid might die from a disease?..people die from disease all the time...Including the people that were Vaccinated.

and I already showed , Eradicating disease does not fall solely on Vaccinations..Mortality rates were falling way before people were getting vaccinations...


Some day a kid might have unprotected sex and get HIV.....or someday a kid in a 3rd world country might get Ebola.....someday a kid might die from using a Dirty needle.....That does not mean we should inject all newborns full of Vaccines ....this is the problem.

Mental health is a serious issue.....we are doing something wrong..hopefully we can fix it........and IMO injecting newborn babies full of Toxins is a good place to start

[AlphaWolf24]

Holy shit. You have children?

Those poor kids. Some idiots should just have their balls cut off so we're not subjected to any of their offspring.

Lets hope yours make it in spite of you.


Balls cut off?...so they can look like you?....( speaking on that,Yo parents prolly did cut you...you prolly got circumcised too?...Yo parents didn't put in no work)

My kids have great Immune systems ...sh!t we Bath in Pertussis and Salmonella



- anyways you prove my point.....look folks...you want yo kids to look like Deuce Wallace?...go ahead and Vaccinate newborns...His parents didn't put in the work..... Now he is a grumpy "Is that Patricia or Patrick"..."It's PAT"

- meanwhile I advise you to live a healthy lifestyle and wait till they are older before starting Vaccinations....

[Nanners]

There is no evidence that vaccinations cause autism.

this. its not like this stuff has not been studied, if there was any connection between vaccines and autism someone would be able to prove it.

believing that vaccines cause autism is like believing in chemtrails or believing that HAARP caused the japanese tsunami. this is straight up absurd conspiracy theory shit.

[Gr]

Many people who get Vaccinated still get the disease they were Vaccinated for....

Saying I got " Vaccinated " tell's very little...getting a Vaccine does not Guarantee the person will never get the disease


- who we should really be thanking are the people who brought upon the industrial revolution and more efficient sewer systems/septic tanks /plumbing....

Plumbing / sanitation and Water supply is BY FAR the most important step to fight of disease

Mortality rates have been dropping steadily from many diseases Before people were vaccinated for them...

http://www.insightbydesign.biz/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/us-deaths-1900-1965.jpg


Mortality rates have been dropping steadily from many diseases Before people were vaccinated for them........

How about a graph of the number of people who got infected?

[Jailblazers7]

Has anyone theorized a link between the two things? I've never heard any reason why a vaccine would cause autism. Seems like a mix up between correlation and causation on a crazy level.

[Gr]

Has anyone theorized a link between the two things? I've never heard any reason why a vaccine would cause autism. Seems like a mix up between correlation and causation on a crazy level.

:confusedshrug: Thiomersal, maybe? Our bodies are not very good at detoxifying mercury. If it gets dumped in the brain during developmental stages, that might be a problem for some. Just theorizing though.

[AlphaWolf24]

this. its not like this stuff has not been studied, if there was any connection between vaccines and autism someone would be able to prove it.

believing that vaccines cause autism is like believing in chemtrails or believing that HAARP caused the japanese tsunami. this is straight up absurd conspiracy theory shit.



studied what?....effects of Preservatives on a Newborn's neurological system?

when have we ever did that?.....we just recently found out Thimerosol is toxic especially to a newborn...and that was from when?

.
Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.

so they did do study's....and found out Vaccines with Thimerosal were not good for developing babies....does it cause Autism?.... we are not sure...we just figured out it wasn't good for babies:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[niko]

Bolded...(WTF)...you sippin on the Sake already?...how teach you to spoke?

- I'll try and interpolate...You are saying there could be numerous reasons why the child is Autistic...Genetics?....environment?...God?....

of course...We don't know the cause yet....



non Bolded - so you are basing your opinion on......someday a kid might die from a disease?..people die from disease all the time...Including the people that were Vaccinated.

and I already showed , Eradicating disease does not fall solely on Vaccinations..Mortality rates were falling way before people were getting vaccinations...


Some day a kid might have unprotected sex and get HIV.....or someday a kid in a 3rd world country might get Ebola.....someday a kid might die from using a Dirty needle.....That does not mean we should inject all newborns full of Vaccines ....this is the problem.

Mental health is a serious issue.....we are doing something wrong..hopefully we can fix it........and IMO injecting newborn babies full of Toxins is a good place to start

Babies die more from the diseases that vaccinations prevent than the fake connection you have made causes autism even if it wasn't a fake connection. So your reasoning is stupid. You are picking the more dangerous outcome which might not even be real instead of the less dangerous outcome. And not only that, all of this stuff has been studied and there literally is no compelling evidence you are right, there is compelling evidence I am right.

It literally makes no sense what you are arguing. Literally.

[DeuceWallaces]

Has anyone theorized a link between the two things? I've never heard any reason why a vaccine would cause autism. Seems like a mix up between correlation and causation on a crazy level.

Christians who can't fathom why their God would do this to them.

[Jailblazers7]

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[masonanddixon]

Probably because vaccination is the single most successful medical intervention and the fact we can actually produce viable vaccines saves millions of lives a year.

[niko]

Christians who can't fathom why their God would do this to them.
Parents too who feel guilty thinking their genetics or something they did while pregnant must have caused it. That's kind of what my friends though. What did they do wrong?

[AlphaWolf24]

Babies die more from the diseases that vaccinations prevent than the fake connection you have made causes autism even if it wasn't a fake connection. So your reasoning is stupid. You are picking the more dangerous outcome which might not even be real instead of the less dangerous outcome. And not only that, all of this stuff has been studied and there literally is no compelling evidence you are right, there is compelling evidence I am right.

It literally makes no sense what you are arguing. Literally.


Where are all these children dying?.... I guarantee most of the children dying from disease are from areas with poor sanitation and lack of Food and water.

Like I said earlier....those children do need medication as they do not have the tools to build a healthy immune system

But for the rest of the world and Most of the U.S ...it is downright criminal to Inject a newborn baby full of Toxins that damage their developing neurological system


There is tons of evidence the preservatives in Vaccines are not healthy for you....especially a newborn. ( not including the virus itself)


That's why the CDC is trying to lower the levels of Thimerisol....because recent studies showed it is harmful on the neurological system..

Know what doesn't make sense ?....is having a child scheduled for over 50 Vaccination shots during their first 24 months of life....because some other kid somewhere got sick:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: ...research it yourself...disease was being eradicated far before widespread Vaccine usage.



wake the F up people...jeez

[dunksby]

He skipped the retard vaccination?
Meningitis.

While most people with meningitis recover, it can cause serious complications, such as brain damage, hearing loss, or learning disabilities.

[masonanddixon]

Where are all these children dying?.... I guarantee most of the children dying from disease are from areas with poor sanitation and lack of Food and water.

Like I said earlier....those children do need medication as they do not have the tools to build a healthy immune system

But for the rest of the world and Most of the U.S ...it is downright criminal to Inject a newborn baby full of Toxins that damage their developing neurological system


There is tons of evidence the preservatives in Vaccines are not healthy for you....especially a newborn. ( not including the virus itself)


That's why the CDC is trying to lower the levels of Thimerisol....because recent studies showed it is harmful on the neurological system..

Know what doesn't make sense ?....is having a child scheduled for over 50 Vaccination shots during their first 24 months of life....because some other kid somewhere got sick:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: ...research it yourself...disease was being eradicated far before widespread Vaccine usage.



wake the F up people...jeez

Holy **** you're a retard. I bet you came out of your' mother's ass.

[AlphaWolf24]

Holy **** you're a retard. I bet you came out of your' mother's ass.


Like I said.....mental health is a serious issue .....

[niko]

Where are all these children dying?.... I guarantee most of the children dying from disease are from areas with poor sanitation and lack of Food and water.

Like I said earlier....those children do need medication as they do not have the tools to build a healthy immune system

But for the rest of the world and Most of the U.S ...it is downright criminal to Inject a newborn baby full of Toxins that damage their developing neurological system


There is tons of evidence the preservatives in Vaccines are not healthy for you....especially a newborn. ( not including the virus itself)


That's why the CDC is trying to lower the levels of Thimerisol....because recent studies showed it is harmful on the neurological system..

Know what doesn't make sense ?....is having a child scheduled for over 50 Vaccination shots during their first 24 months of life....because some other kid somewhere got sick:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: ...research it yourself...disease was being eradicated far before widespread Vaccine usage.



wake the F up people...jeez

People in the US die from diseases which can be prevented because they don't vaccinate, yes often because they are poor, because they don't have access (or are just stupid like you appear to be).

You're exposing your kids to disease because of unproven rumors of connections to other things that even if true, are less deadly pct wise than the disease.

You're just stupid, sorry.

[niko]

Note: The time the diseases are most dangerous to your kids is when they are very small. Not allowing them to be protected during this time is ridiculous. There also are many vaccines not given prior to age 2, someone already did the math that you are pretending to do in your head. Do you really have kids? Because why don't you know this?

Plus doctors don't let you stagger vaccinations according to your timeframe. You can't say "i'm making a decision to postpone this needed vaccination till after 2 even though you want it now". They'd basically tell you "then enjoy your new doctor." Again, why don't you know this too?

You're making shit up to troll.

[DeuceWallaces]

Note: The time the diseases are most dangerous to your kids is when they are very small. Not allowing them to be protected during this time is ridiculous. There also are many vaccines not given prior to age 2, someone already did the math that you are pretending to do in your head. Do you really have kids? Because why don't you know this?

Plus doctors don't let you stagger vaccinations according to your timeframe. You can't say "i'm making a decision to postpone this needed vaccination till after 2 even though you want it now". They'd basically tell you "then enjoy your new doctor." Again, why don't you know this too?

You're making shit up to troll.

Because he's a ****ing moron. I don't even have kids and I know this shit.

[AlphaWolf24]

Note: The time the diseases are most dangerous to your kids is when they are very small. Not allowing them to be protected during this time is ridiculous. There also are many vaccines not given prior to age 2, someone already did the math that you are pretending to do in your head. Do you really have kids? Because why don't you know this?

Plus doctors don't let you stagger vaccinations according to your timeframe. You can't say "i'm making a decision to postpone this needed vaccination till after 2 even though you want it now". They'd basically tell you "then enjoy your new doctor." Again, why don't you know this too?

You're making shit up to troll.


I never said stagger Vaccinations....I said research and act accordingly...I'm just giving my experiences.

and you can postpone Vaccinations...not sure where you are...But I live in one of if not the lowest County's for Vaccinating Children and I did postpone the Dtap until My Kids were in the 2nd grade....

We talked to several pediatricians and Midwives, All my kids were Born at home, none of my 7 kids were Vaccinated before the age of 5....and yes you can postpone Vaccinations.....or not get them at all and still go to to school and get them when ever necessary.


this pediatrician has a website and follows very similar guidelines that I do...
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/pediatrician-believes-vaccines-are-messing-nature



It suggests that families delay certain childhood immunizations—in some cases for years past the age recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention—and forego others entirely. A little less than 20 percent of the families the practice treats choose not to vaccinate at all. The rest use a modified vaccine schedule.



She does adhere to the federal schedule for certain shots: She encourages parents to get their children the DTaP shot—which protects against pertussis, diphtheria, and tetanus—during the child's first year. She also recommends that babies get vaccinated for meningitis—which is dangerous and very contagious—when they are a few months old.

On the other end of the spectrum are diseases Kenet Lansman considers extremely low-risk for babies. For instance, she reasons that her patients have virtually no chance of catching hepatitis B, which is generally only transmitted through sex and intravenous drug use, "not something babies are commonly engaging in"—she advises parents to forego that vaccine altogether. She also suggests skipping the varicella (chicken pox) and rotavirus vaccines, because those diseases are not life-threatening for the vast majority of children. While she doesn't list the polio vaccine among the shots she believes patients should skip, she tells parents that the risk of children contracting polio in the United States these days is essentially nonexistent.


And then there are diseases that fall into a grayer area: The risk is not high, but it's not zero, either. For these, Kenet Lansman recommends a delayed schedule. Because the incidences of measles, mumps, and rubella in the Bay Area are very low, she suggests that parents put off the MMR vaccine for their kids, unless they are traveling to a place where these diseases are endemic. The federal guidelines recommend MMR at age one; Pediatric Alternatives typically waits until age three to administer the shot.


call me whatever you want....at the end of the day I did my research and understood injecting a newborn baby full of Vaccines is not healthy.....and I did not fit the generalization of people who had a High risk of getting sick.

I was not injecting my kids with toxins because someone else ( who did not live a healthy lifestyle) got sick at some point in their life...In fact building a healthy natural immune system early IMO will help lead to a healthier life and hopefully fight off other health problems that plague our country, I.E Cancer/obesity/diabetes/Heart disease etc...

We should not generalize everyone and start off a newborns life by automatically injecting them with Vaccines....

[shlver]

Yeah, idk I'd be interest to see legitimate theories explained but until then I just don't see why I would take it seriously.
There is literally zero evidence that thiomersal is toxic in the quantities given in single vaccine doses.

[AlphaWolf24]

People in the US die from diseases which can be prevented because they don't vaccinate, yes often because they are poor, because they don't have access (or are just stupid like you appear to be).

You're exposing your kids to disease because of unproven rumors of connections to other things that even if true, are less deadly pct wise than the disease.

You're just stupid, sorry.


People get Vaccinated and still get the disease they were Vaccinated for!...

How in the hell am I exposing my kids to diseases when we live Healthy, eat Healthy and research everything?

You want to generalize everything and everyone.....Like I said, over and over....I did whats best for my kids, that included NOT getting them Vaccinated when they were NEWBORNS...

Certain people may need Vaccinations....my family did not.


damn ignorant Rocks...SMH

[AlphaWolf24]

There is literally zero evidence that thiomersal is toxic in the quantities given in single vaccine doses.


At the time of this review in 1999, the maximum cumulative exposure to mercury from vaccines in the recommended childhood immunization schedule was within acceptable limits for the methylmercury exposure guidelines set by FDA, ATSDR, and WHO. However, depending on the vaccine formulations used and the weight of the infant, some infants could have been exposed to cumulative levels of mercury during the first six months of life that exceeded EPA recommended guidelines for safe intake of methylmercury.



http://0.tqn.com/d/pediatrics/1/S/3/4/06_vaccine_schedule.jpg


At birth:Most of these contain thimerisol

Administer monovalent HepB vaccine to all newborns before hospital discharge.
For infants born to hepatitis B surface antigen (HBsAg)–positive mothers, administer HepB vaccine and 0.5 mL of hepatitis B immune globulin (HBIG) within 12 hours of birth. These infants should be tested for HBsAg and antibody to HBsAg (anti-HBs) 1 to 2 months after receiving the last dose of the series.
If mother's HBsAg status is unknown, within 12 hours of birth administer HepB vaccine for infants weighing ≥2,000 grams, and HepB vaccine plus HBIG for infants weighing <2,000 grams. Determine mother's HBsAg status as soon as possible and, if she is HBsAg-positive, administer HBIG for infants weighing ≥2,000 grams (no later than age 1 week).

Doses after the birth dose:

The second dose should be administered at age 1 to 2 months. Monovalent HepB vaccine should be used for doses administered before age 6 weeks.
Administration of a total of 4 doses of HepB vaccine is permissible when a combination vaccine containing HepB is administered after the birth dose.
Infants who did not receive a birth dose should receive 3 doses of a HepB-containing vaccine starting as soon as feasible (Figure 3).
The minimum interval between dose 1 and dose 2 is 4 weeks, and between dose 2 and 3 is 8 weeks. The final (third or fourth) dose in the HepB vaccine series should be administered no earlier than age 24 weeks and at least 16 weeks after the first dose.

2. Rotavirus (RV) vaccines.(Minimum age: 6 weeks for both RV-1 [Rotarix] and RV-5 [Rota Teq])

The maximum age for the first dose in the series is 14 weeks, 6 days; and 8 months, 0 days for the final dose in the series. Vaccination should not be initiated for infants aged 15 weeks, 0 days or older.
If RV-1 (Rotarix) is administered at ages 2 and 4 months, a dose at 6 months is not indicated.

3. Diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis (DTaP) vaccine.
(Minimum age: 6 weeks)

The fourth dose may be administered as early as age 12 months, provided at least 6 months have elapsed since the third dose.

4. Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) conjugate vaccine. (Minimum age: 6 weeks)

If PRP-OMP (PedvaxHIB or Comvax [HepB-Hib]) is administered at ages 2 and 4 months, a dose at age 6 months is not indicated.
Hiberix should only be used for the booster (final) dose in children aged 12 months through 4 years.

5. Pneumococcal vaccines. (Minimum age: 6 weeks for pneumococcal conjugate vaccine [PCV]; 2 years for pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine [PPSV])

Administer 1 dose of PCV to all healthy children aged 24 through 59 months who are not completely vaccinated for their age.
For children who have received an age-appropriate series of 7-valent PCV (PCV7), a single supplemental dose of 13-valent PCV (PCV13) is recommended for:
— All children aged 14 through 59 months
— Children aged 60 through 71 months with underlying medical conditions.
Administer PPSV at least 8 weeks after last dose of PCV to children aged 2 years or older with certain underlying medical conditions, including a cochlear implant. See MMWR 2010:59(No. RR-11), available at http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr5911.pdf. Adobe PDF file

6. Inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV). (Minimum age: 6 weeks)

If 4 or more doses are administered before age 4 years, an additional dose should be administered at age 4 through 6 years.
The final dose in the series should be administered on or after the fourth birthday and at least 6 months after the previous dose.

7. Influenza vaccines. (Minimum age: 6 months for trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine [TIV]; 2 years for live, attenuated influenza vaccine [LAIV])

For most healthy children aged 2 years and older, either LAIV or TIV may be used. However, LAIV should not be administered to some children, including 1) children with asthma, 2) children 2 through 4 years who had wheezing in the past 12 months, or 3) children who have any other underlying medical conditions that predispose them to influenza complications. For all other contraindications to use of LAIV, see MMWR 2010;59(No. RR-8), available at http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr5908.pdf Adobe PDF file.
For children aged 6 months through 8 years:
— For the 2011–12 season, administer 2 doses (separated by at least 4 weeks) to those who did not receive at least 1 dose of the 2010–11 vaccine. Those who received at least 1 dose of the 2010–11 vaccine require 1 dose for the 2011–12 season.
— For the 2012–13 season, follow dosing guidelines in the 2012 ACIP influenza vaccine recommendations.

8. Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. (Minimum age: 12 months)

The second dose may be administered before age 4 years, provided at least 4 weeks have elapsed since the first dose.
Administer MMR vaccine to infants aged 6 through 11 months who are traveling internationally. These children should be revaccinated with 2 doses of MMR vaccine, the first at ages 12 through 15 months and at least 4 weeks after the previous dose, and the second at ages 4 through 6 years.

9. Varicella (VAR) vaccine. (Minimum age: 12 months)

The second dose may be administered before age 4 years, provided at least 3 months have elapsed since the first dose.
For children aged 12 months through 12 years, the recommended minimum interval between doses is 3 months. However, if the second dose was administered at least 4 weeks after the first dose, it can be accepted as valid.

10. Hepatitis A (HepA) vaccine. (Minimum age: 12 months)

Administer the second (final) dose 6 to18 months after the first.
Unvaccinated children 24 months and older at high risk should be vaccinated. See MMWR 2006;55(No. RR-7), available at http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr5507.pdf Adobe PDF file.
A 2-dose HepA vaccine series is recommended for anyone aged 24 months and older, previously unvaccinated, for whom immunity against hepatitis A virus infection is desired.

11. Meningococcal conjugate vaccines, quadrivalent (MCV4). (Minimum age: 9 months for Menactra [MCV4-D], 2 years for Menveo [MCV4-CRM])

For children aged 9 through 23 months 1) with persistent complement component deficiency; 2) who are residents of or travelers to countries with hyperendemic or epidemic disease; or 3) who are present during outbreaks caused by a vaccine serogroup, administer 2 primary doses of MCV4-D, ideally at ages 9 months and 12 months or at least 8 weeks apart.
For children aged 24 months and older with 1) persistent complement component deficiency who have not been previously vaccinated; or 2) anatomic/functional asplenia, administer 2 primary doses of either MCV4 at least 8 weeks apart.
For children with anatomic/functional asplenia, if MCV4-D (Menactra) is used, administer at a minimum age of 2 years and at least 4 weeks after completion of all PCV doses.

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol this nut is home-birthing and found some idiot with a website to confirm his retarded assumptions. He eats "healthy", whatever the **** that means, and figures he's good on vaccines because of it.

You homeschooling too?

[shlver]

some infants could have been exposed to cumulative levels of mercury during the first six months of life that exceeded EPA recommended guidelines for safe intake of methylmercury.
Except thiomerosal doesn't contain methylmercury, it contains ethylmercury.

[niko]

Lol this nut is home-birthing and found some idiot with a website to confirm his retarded assumptions. He eats "healthy", whatever the **** that means, and figures he's good on vaccines because of it.

You homeschooling too?
Hey, when looking out for your kids, nothing can be better than 10 year old studies done by random people with an agenda. :no:

[AlphaWolf24]

Lol this nut is home-birthing and found some idiot with a website to confirm his retarded assumptions. He eats "healthy", whatever the **** that means, and figures he's good on vaccines because of it.

You homeschooling too?


Why you so grumpy all the time....?

It aint my faulllllt ....I'm am not yo mommy and daddy...

I did not make the decision to slice parts off yo junk off when you were a baby....and then inject you with Vaccinations that you did not need...

no need to get mad at me....plus I thought guys with low testosterone were calm all the time?




- anyways...Back on topic, since you brought up Homeschooling, Yes and No, Public schools is the way to go ( IMO you learn far more diversity and get to interact with more different people from all walks of life) . I do believe parents should not expect a teacher to do everything as far as education....parents need to be involved and spend lots of time helping the kids in school.....so yes " Home schooling" or whatever term you want to use is important.....

- example: My kids go to public school and learn some good stuff, math, History, blah blah blah....while at school they learn how to deal with all sorts of different people from all walks of life.....

they come home, then it's time to learn real sh!t... we build stuff using power tools, work on cars, play the drums, listen to music, play basketball, learn the proper way to throw a punch, surf Insidehoops! ( cha ching)....you know...do manly stuff...


point is...the schooling never stops.

[DukeDelonte13]

Why you so grumpy all the time....?

It aint my faulllllt ....I'm am not yo mommy and daddy...

I did not make the decision to slice parts off yo junk off when you were a baby....and then inject you with Vaccinations that you did not need...

no need to get mad at me....plus I thought guys with low testosterone were calm all the time?




- anyways...Back on topic, since you brought up Homeschooling, Yes and No, Public schools is the way to go ( IMO you learn far more diversity and get to interact with more different people from all walks of life) . I do believe parents should not expect a teacher to do everything as far as education....parents need to be involved and spend lots of time helping the kids in school.....so yes " Home schooling" or whatever term you want to use is important.....

- example: My kids go to public school and learn some good stuff, math, History, blah blah blah....while at school they learn how to deal with all sorts of different people from all walks of life.....

they come home, then it's time to learn real sh!t... we build stuff using power tools, work on cars, play the drums, listen to music, play basketball, learn the proper way to throw a punch, surf Insidehoops! ( cha ching)....you know...do manly stuff...


point is...the schooling never stops.

Listen to a pediatrician then.

[AlphaWolf24]

Hey, when looking out for your kids, nothing can be better than 10 year old studies done by random people with an agenda. :no:


on the flip side....the 25 Billion dollar pharmaceutical companies have no agenda at all...:rolleyes:

we should all be medicated and every baby born should be injected with Vaccines...

psst...save it

[AlphaWolf24]

Listen to a pediatrician then.


Don't let others raise yo child....you as the parent do the research and listen to yourself...

[Myth]

Don't let others raise yo child....you as the parent do the research and listen to yourself...

Why ever bring a kid to the doctor at all then?

You aren't going to get the understanding a medical doctor has from research at home.

[Myth]

on the flip side....the 25 Billion dollar pharmaceutical companies have no agenda at all...:rolleyes:

we should all be medicated and every baby born should be injected with Vaccines...

psst...save it

Why do doctors get vaccinations themselves, then? If it is some ulterior motive that is just for profit, they would not follow the same advice they give.

[AlphaWolf24]

Why ever bring a kid to the doctor at all then?

You aren't going to get the understanding a medical doctor has from research at home.


again,

- no one is saying" never go to a doctor"....."never get Vaccinated"

example: Why would I want to Vaccinate a newborn for hepatitis B, which is generally only transmitted through sex and intravenous drug use?

- Why inject a newborn with a polio Vaccine when the risk of children contracting polio in the United States these days is essentially nonexistent. ( I was not traveling overseas.....why should I just blindly listen to a doctor for MY kids?)

If one of the parents was using hard drugs or living a unhealthy lifestyle then possibly.....but that wasn't ME....so why do I need to inject my kids?

- every situation is different, of course there is a place and time for medicine....but as a parent....you must not trust anyone but yourself....don't blindly trust people without researching first is all I'm saying...

[AlphaWolf24]

Why do doctors get vaccinations themselves, then? If it is some ulterior motive that is just for profit, they would not follow the same advice they give.


I'll take a wild guess here.....Because they are full grown adults with full grown neurological systems working in jobs where they are around people at risk everyday....


I was not at risk .... nor were my kids.




- Lets say they come out with an HIV/Aids Vaccine.....because many people without clean water and food were dying and their children were dying from HIV infection

would you get your Children Vaccinated for HIV/Aids when they were a week old because thats what the Doctors are told to do? ( knowing full well they will have little to zero chance of ever getting HIV)

I would not.

[niko]

I'll take a wild guess here.....Because they are full grown adults with full grown neurological systems working in jobs where they are around people at risk everyday....


I was not at risk .... nor were my kids.




- Lets say they come out with an HIV/Aids Vaccine.....because many people without clean water and food were dying and their children were dying from HIV infection

would you get your Children Vaccinated for HIV/Aids when they were a week old because thats what the Doctors are told to do? ( knowing full well they will have little to zero chance of ever getting HIV)

I would not.
You might. I wouldn't. DeuceWallaces wouldn't, because we listen to the general knowledge that has been accumluated. You, on the other hand pick and choose what you want to listen to. So as stupid as your example is, what's every worse is it's exactly the type of logic you use to choose not to vaccinate.

Polio is not gone, who told you that btw? People don't get it because they are vaccinated, but Polio exists. People carry the virus. There are still cases of Polio. NY had a bunch this year. Non vaccinated people too, but i'm sure that's a coincidence of some sort. And how does the way Polio is transmitted compare to HIV?

Please tell me you're just trolling us because your thought process is really ridiculous.

[niko]

Don't let others raise yo child....you as the parent do the research and listen to yourself...
You're not a doctor though. Small problem.

[ballup]

When I have kids, I'll vaccinate them. See who is the strongest. Those will be my favorites.

[AlphaWolf24]

You might. I wouldn't. DeuceWallaces wouldn't, because we listen to the general knowledge that has been accumluated. You, on the other hand pick and choose what you want to listen to. So as stupid as your example is, what's every worse is it's exactly the type of logic you use to choose not to vaccinate.

Polio is not gone, who told you that btw? People don't get it because they are vaccinated, but Polio exists. People carry the virus. There are still cases of Polio. NY had a bunch this year. Non vaccinated people too, but i'm sure that's a coincidence of some sort. And how does the way Polio is transmitted compare to HIV?

Please tell me you're just trolling us because your thought process is really ridiculous.


I do pick and choose...I gather information and do what's best for MY family...

I never said " Polio" is gone...I quoted a pediatrician saying the "risk of children contracting polio in the United States these days is essentially nonexistent."....


- even people that were Vaccinated still got the disease....People that weren't Vaccinated also got the disease..:hammerhead:

My point was looking at how Polio is transmitted....the poor sanitation required to pass it from person to person....and came to the conclusion that INJECTING a NEWBORN baby with a polio Vaccine is F'ing stupid .....as the likelihood of a newborn getting Polio where i live is nearly zero!

Newborns wont be playing in sewers.....

Why the F@ck would I inject a toxin into a week old baby?....again.....I'll recap.

- I am not saying to never get the Polio Vaccine.....I'm saying early developmental stages of a baby is not the time to inject Vaccines unless absolutely necessary!....

- I gave an example of HIV because on the Immunization chart I showed...it is required for a newborn to get the Hep B Vaccine before they leave the Hospital ( generally 1 - 2 days old)...Hep B is generally only transmitted through sex and intravenous drug use...I don't know about you...but my Kids don't need the Hep B vaccine...so I chose not to get it.

Just like if they came out with a HIV/Vaccine....would you allow a newborn to recieve it?...I would not.....it's a very similar scenario to Hep B ( as to how HIV is passed from person to person)


I am not trolling...I chose not to Vaccinate any of my children until absolutely necessary.......the older the better.

[niko]

I do pick and choose...I gather information and do what's best for MY family...

I never said " Polio" is gone...I quoted a pediatrician saying the "risk of children contracting polio in the United States these days is essentially nonexistent."....


- even people that were Vaccinated still got the disease....People that weren't Vaccinated also got the disease..:hammerhead:

My point was looking at how Polio is transmitted....the poor sanitation required to pass it from person to person....and came to the conclusion that INJECTING a NEWBORN baby with a polio Vaccine is F'ing stupid .....as the likelihood of a newborn getting Polio where i live is nearly zero!

Newborns wont be playing in sewers.....

Why the F@ck would I inject a toxin into a week old baby?....again.....I'll recap.

- I am not saying to never get the Polio Vaccine.....I'm saying early developmental stages of a baby is not the time to inject Vaccines unless absolutely necessary!....

- I gave an example of HIV because on the Immunization chart I showed...it is required for a newborn to get the Hep B Vaccine before they leave the Hospital ( generally 1 - 2 days old)...Hep B is generally only transmitted through sex and intravenous drug use...I don't know about you...but Kids don't need the Hep B vaccine...so I chose not to get it.

Just like if they came out with a HIV/Vaccine....would you allow a newborn to recieve it?...I would not.....it's a very similar scenario to Hep B

You're not a doctor. You don't even seem to be that intelligent of a human being. Picking and choosing what facts sound ok rather than talking with your doctor strikes me as stupid. Would i allow my newborn to do a/b/c? I'd check WITH THEIR PHYSICIAN. The person who has spent years upon years studying medicine. Not go to google like I'm buying a laptop. You GOOGLE INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISIONS ON YOUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH. My god...

The doctor who vaccinates my kids has been practicing medicine for more than 30 years. You spend ten minutes on google, and you'd supercede his opinion.

You're ridiculous.

[AlphaWolf24]

You're not a doctor though. Small problem.





again, I don't blindly follow...

besides many Doctors say to wait and hold vaccinating children....If that makes you feel any better.

[AlphaWolf24]

You're not a doctor. You don't even seem to be that intelligent of a human being. Picking and choosing what facts sound ok rather than talking with your doctor strikes me as stupid. Would i allow my newborn to do a/b/c? I'd check WITH THEIR PHYSICIAN. The person who has spent years upon years studying medicine. Not go to google like I'm buying a laptop. You GOOGLE INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISIONS ON YOUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH. My god...

The doctor who vaccinates my kids has been practicing medicine for more than 30 years. You spend ten minutes on google, and you'd supercede his opinion.

You're ridiculous.


Why does that matter?....you think Doctors have a magic wand?...you think everything they do is 100% set in stone?

again, I talked to many different Pediatricians...Some say vaccinate, Some say wait and hold off as long as possible....

( interesting that you say "practicing medicine" for 30 years......some of the old school doctors who have been " Practicing"...are very set in their ways....and are not open to understanding new ways of Practicing)

Practicing the ways of medicine is always changing.....what we thought 10 , 15, 20 ,50 years ago is continuously changing...

as a parent all you can do is whats best for your family......and interesting enough Google is an excellent tool....The Internet opens up many Forums where you can discuss this with parents and so called " Doctors"....

I encourage you to make your own well informed decision....and definatley Pick and choose the people and Information you listen too.....


if that means I'm unintelligent then so be it....

at least I aint an Ignorant Rock.





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I don't think I exceed his knowledge...I think my decision for my kids through my research and talking to many Pediatricians and Midwives is better then his would be......as it sounds like he encouraged you to Vaccinate your kids at a very young age...IMO I wouldn't do that to my kids.....

You did that and that's your decision, so you you came to that conclusion by his guidance ...ultimately you felt you made the correct decision.... as did I...


that's all we as parents can do.

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Statistics show that approximately 195,000 people are killed every year by medical errors in the US.[1][dubious – discuss] The study notes that about 1.14 million patient-safety incidents occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations in the Medicare population over the years 2000-2002. Hospital costs associated with such medical errors were estimated at $324 million in October 2008 alone.[2] Between 15,000 and 19,000 malpractice suits are brought against doctors each year.[3]

Doctors are an input into the discussion. They do not manufacture drugs, and they do not test them. They read about them (in journals created by the manufacturers) and then prescribe them.



that's why it's called "practicing medicine"

[AlphaWolf24]

When I have kids, I'll vaccinate them. See who is the strongest. Those will be my favorites.


recent German study showing Unvaccinated children being much healthier overall then Vaccinated children

http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/vaccine-chart.png

[AlphaWolf24]

to all soon to be parents....I suggest getting as much info as possible before Vaccinating...

also read "The Vaccine Illusion" by Tetyana Obukhanych (Ph.D. in immunology from Rockefeller University, New York, NY)http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/vaccine-illusion-how-vaccination-compromises-our-natural-immunity-and-what-we-can


Despite the fact that the biological basis of naturally acquired immunity is not understood, present day medical practices insist upon artificial manipulation of the immune response (a.k.a. immunization or vaccination) to secure "immunity" without going through the actual disease process. The vaccine-induced process, although not resembling a natural disease, is nevertheless still a disease process with its own risks. And it is not immunity that we gain via vaccination but a puny surrogate of immunity. For this reason, vaccination at its core is neither a safe nor an effective method of disease prevention. Yet, immunologists have nothing better to offer because they can only go as far as their deeply rooted immunologic dogma allows them.


Why do vaccines fail to give us lasting immunity from viral diseases?
Why do vaccines provide no guarantee of protection from bacterial diseases?
Why is vaccine-based herd immunity not achievable?

[Budadiiii]

recent German study showing Unvaccinated children being much healthier overall then Vaccinated children

http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/vaccine-chart.png
You don't need a study or a bar graph to confirm this.

Anyone who lives in the real world and actually goes outside and talks to people about shit like this, knows 100% that those who don't get vaccinated are way more healthy than those who do.

Common sense.

Something retards in this thread don't have a lot of. Brainwashed idiots who can't do thinking for themselves so they put their trust into doctors who earn their degree to treat symptoms, instead of treating the body systemically & to the root like someone with common sense does, and push pharmaceutical drugs that do more harm than good.

Idiots like Duece are exactly the people Physician's love. Duece makes these ignorant buffoons a lot of money. A LOT.

Niko has a sore throat so he gets a prescription antibiotic that will wreck his insides and line the Dr's wallet.

Hilarious.

Then he will be back a week later for a stomach issue caused by the antibiotics and ignorance and negligence from the Dr, only to get prescribed steroids and the cycle perpetuates till he dies at age 55 of a heart attack because of a lazy diet and a lifelong drug addiction.

[Droid101]

When your asshole kids get whooping cough and die, I'll be happy. You're all despicable people.

[masonanddixon]

People in the US die from diseases which can be prevented because they don't vaccinate, yes often because they are poor, because they don't have access (or are just stupid like you appear to be).

You're exposing your kids to disease because of unproven rumors of connections to other things that even if true, are less deadly pct wise than the disease.

You're just stupid, sorry.

He's seriously retarded. He doesn't understand that some of the unvaccinated children don't contract the disease due to herd immunity. But ignores the fact there are outbreaks in areas in which there are large pockets of retards like himself who don't receive vaccinations.

Then the best part is when he links to a 'study' showing that unvaccinated kids don't get shit as often such as Diabetes which has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination but also conveniently (or is too stupid to realize) that since so fewer children are unvaccinated (not even 5% of the population) and that the vast majority go vaccinated, then by law of statistics it's more likely that vaccinated children will get diabetes.

[DeuceWallaces]

You don't need a study or a bar graph to confirm this.

Anyone who lives in the real world and actually goes outside and talks to people about shit like this, knows 100% that those who don't get vaccinated are way more healthy than those who do.

Common sense.

Something retards in this thread don't have a lot of. Brainwashed idiots who can't do thinking for themselves so they put their trust into doctors who earn their degree to treat symptoms, instead of treating the body systemically & to the root like someone with common sense does, and push pharmaceutical drugs that do more harm than good.

Idiots like Duece are exactly the people Physician's love. Duece makes these ignorant buffoons a lot of money. A LOT.

Niko has a sore throat so he gets a prescription antibiotic that will wreck his insides and line the Dr's wallet.

Hilarious.

Then he will be back a week later for a stomach issue caused by the antibiotics and ignorance and negligence from the Dr, only to get prescribed steroids and the cycle perpetuates till he dies at age 55 of a heart attack because of a lazy diet and a lifelong drug addiction.

I don't read one German study with a graph they made in Excel and then decide not to vaccinate my kid because we eat "healthy."

That's what a ****ing idiot does, but then again you're probably 19 and live in your parents basement so you have no real impact in the world. Alpha on the other hand has some poor kids he's raising to be tards just like him.

I'll check journals and places like the CDC for my info. You go ahead keep getting it from message boards and lone studies from wack job pediatricians.

[AlphaWolf24]

He's seriously retarded. He doesn't understand that some of the unvaccinated children don't contract the disease due to herd immunity. But ignores the fact there are outbreaks in areas in which there are large pockets of retards like himself who don't receive vaccinations.

Then the best part is when he links to a 'study' showing that unvaccinated kids don't get shit as often such as Diabetes which has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination but also conveniently (or is too stupid to realize) that since so fewer children are unvaccinated (not even 5% of the population) and that the vast majority go vaccinated, then by law of statistics it's more likely that vaccinated children will get diabetes.


Another Dumb rock...SMDH

- outbreaks happen whether or not people get Vaccinated....many people get diseases they have been vaccinated for anyways...

- and for the last F'ing time.....I'm not saying never get Vaccines......I'm saying research it before injecting into a Newborn baby when it's highly unlikely they will ever get the disease they are being Vaccinated for...

JFC....some of y'all are friggin Rocks.

[masonanddixon]

Another Dumb rock...SMDH

- outbreaks happen whether or not people get Vaccinated....many people get diseases they have been vaccinated for anyways...

- and for the last F'ing time.....I'm not saying never get Vaccines......I'm saying research it before injecting into a Newborn baby when it's highly unlikely they will ever get the disease they are being Vaccinated for...

JFC....some of y'all are friggin Rocks.

Ah no. You don't even know the types of vaccines. There's live vaccines, attenuated vaccines, live-attenuated, heat-killed, etc etc etc. People are vaccinated for all sorts of reasons. And the medical community is upfront about the efficacy of certain vaccines.

There's also a shitload of diseases passed from the placenta to the child which is why newborns receive the Hep B vaccine. Then there's also primary infection in the mother vs reactivation of the infection (check out ToRCHeS).

The problem with idiots like you is that you have no base of medical knowledge so you just latch onto whatever you find on the internet and try to pass it off as logical.

Don't get your retard kids vaccinated if you don't want. No one gives a shit. I have seen so many children end up with permanent damage because their idiot parents with no education thought they were too smart for the medical system. Just don't complain when your kid ends up with a chronic condition because of your failure to do something as simple as getting them a vaccination.

[AlphaWolf24]

When your asshole kids get whooping cough and die, I'll be happy. You're all despicable people.


:lol


seems like all the Vaccinated people get angry really EZ....


starting to see a trend.

[AlphaWolf24]

Ah no. You don't even know the types of vaccines. There's live vaccines, attenuated vaccines, live-attenuated, heat-killed, etc etc etc. People are vaccinated for all sorts of reasons. And the medical community is upfront about the efficacy of certain vaccines.

There's also a shitload of diseases passed from the placenta to the child which is why newborns receive the Hep B vaccine. Then there's also primary infection in the mother vs reactivation of the infection (check out ToRCHeS).

The problem with idiots like you is that you have no base of medical knowledge so you just latch onto whatever you find on the internet and try to pass it off as logical.

Don't get your retard kids vaccinated if you don't want. No one gives a shit. I have seen so many children end up with permanent damage because their idiot parents with no education thought they were too smart for the medical system. Just don't complain when your kid ends up with a chronic condition because of your failure to do something as simple as getting them a vaccination.


.....calm yo horses......none of us have Hep B.....therefore why would I willingly inject a newborn the hepB vaccine?....there was nearly zero risk of getting Hep B....so why do it to a newborn?



If you don't have a solid answer then don't complain ...just wallow in yo ignorance.


next

[masonanddixon]

.....calm yo horses......none of us have Hep B.....therefore why would I willingly inject a newborn the hepB vaccine?....there was nearly zero risk of getting Hep B....so why do it to a newborn?



If you don't have a solid answer then don't complain ...just wallow in yo ignorance.


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Because it gives lifelong immunity. If your kid grows up and gets Hep B from sex or needles or whatever, he wont' be immune if he wasn't vaccinated as child. And it's much harder to clear as an adult. Just ask all the Thai/Filipinos who now have liver cancer from uncleared Hep B.

So why give the vaccine? Because Hep B infection is chronic and lifelong and leads to progressive liver destruction.

A better question is why not get the vaccine? You'll never need to worry about developing any complications of Hepatitis B, whereas if you go unvaccinated you'll never know until it's too late.

[9erempiree]

No proof that vaccinations lead to autism and I wrote a paper on this topic before. I can give you the data too.

[niko]

:lol


seems like all the Vaccinated people get angry really EZ....


starting to see a trend.
It's funny that you don't realize how stupid this post makes you sound.

[AlphaWolf24]

Because it gives lifelong immunity. If your kid grows up and gets Hep B from sex or needles or whatever, he wont' be immune if he wasn't vaccinated as child. And it's much harder to clear as an adult. Just ask all the Thai/Filipinos who now have liver cancer from uncleared Hep B.

So why give the vaccine? Because Hep B infection is chronic and lifelong and leads to progressive liver destruction.

A better question is why not get the vaccine? You'll never need to worry about developing any complications of Hepatitis B, whereas if you go unvaccinated you'll never know until it's too late.


No, again, younger children get the Vaccine because young children cannot fight off any infections as well as older children.....so it's a broad stroke Vaccination to help the child if they do get infected...

None of us had Hep B....there was little to no reason to get the Vaccine.....once they are older they probably will get it.....but as a newborn?.....no way Jose.

[AlphaWolf24]

It's funny that you don't realize how stupid this post makes you sound.


:rolleyes:

Bring something to the table besides tired azz pointless insults.....


Grow up.

[AlphaWolf24]

No proof that vaccinations lead to autism and I wrote a paper on this topic before. I can give you the data too.


Autism is a wide spectrum.....

- you need to do a report on the effects of Vaccines / Immunization on newborn - 24 months old....

- and the effects on the Brain/Neurological system throughout the child's livelihood...

- it's almost like getting circumcised....those that got parts of their Junk cut off as newborns never fully understand whats it's like to be a fully intact man.

Those that received full immunizations as a newborn may not fully understand what's it's like to have had the ability of a Clean free mind and body....


My point is...we know very little on the shorterm/ longterm effects right now...and it's going to take awhile for the comparisons to fully shed light on the subject....as so many children get Vaccinated at such an early age...



I do know that the Mental Health crisis in our country is getting worse....hopefully we can help mitigate it.

[masonanddixon]

No, again, younger children get the Vaccine because young children cannot fight off any infections as well as older children.....so it's a broad stroke Vaccination to help the child if they do get infected...

None of us had Hep B....there was little to no reason to get the Vaccine.....once they are older they probably will get it.....but as a newborn?.....no way Jose.

You're a damn retard. I'm a doctor and I already told you why they are vaccinated against it at birth.

Just call it a day and accept that your delusions have no merit.

[AlphaWolf24]

You're a damn retard. I'm a doctor and I already told you why they are vaccinated against it at birth.

Just call it a day and accept that your delusions have no merit.


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[travelingman]

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Carl Buzz = BetaPup

[AlphaWolf24]

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Carl Buzz = BetaPup


LMAO pen and teller....dem comments..




Football and basketball were created by the Illuminati to keep us sick so we continue to spend money on medicine. The AMA were created as a secret meeting place. Vaccines have nanomachines in them. I am going to jack off in the street now. BYE!





So, if you smoke cigarettes and then get lung cancer, just because one event happened right before the other that smoking didn't cause cancer? If your kid gets vaccinated and then loses mental function then, no, that doesn't make the vaccine a suspect at all. Simple troubleshooting. "ma'am, what did you do to your computer, what changed just before you started having this problem?" Ahhhh, you installed/uninstalled what?!


my favorite....





We have never argued that people shouldn't be immunized for the most serious threats including measles and polio, but surely there's a limit as to how many viruses and toxins can be introduced into the body of a small child. Veterinarians found out years ago that in many cases they were over-immunizing our pets, a syndrome they call Vaccinosis. It overwhelmed the immune system of the animals, causing myriad physical and neurological disorders. Sound familiar? If you can over-immunize a dog, is it so far out to assume that you can over-immunize a child?

[AlphaWolf24]

Question.....

If you got yo kids vaccinated ...why you so worried about those who don't vaccinate?

after all....you guys are protected ....right?

[travelingman]

Question.....

If you got yo kids vaccinated ...why you so worried about those who don't vaccinate?

after all....you guys are protected ....right?

Why do I care that some parents are ignorant enough to put their own kids at elevated health risks? Maybe because I sympathize with the helpless children? You do know that some people actually are decent human beings who care about the welfare of others, yes?

[AlphaWolf24]

Why do I care that some parents are ignorant enough to put their own kids at elevated health risks? Maybe because I sympathize with the helpless children? You do know that some people actually are decent human beings who care about the welfare of others, yes?

what helpless children...I take care of my kids....


that's why I put in the work and chose not to Vaccinate/inject them with toxins when they were newborns...


I am the definition of "welfare of others"...yes.

[travelingman]

what helpless children...I take care of my kids....


that's why I put in the work and chose not to Vaccinate/inject them with toxins when they were newborns...


I am the definition of "welfare of others"...yes.

You specifically asked why I care about children who haven't been vaccinated. You then use yourself as an example to counter my argument while simultaneously stating that you are not a member of the group you asked me about.

[GatorKid117]

Question.....

If you got yo kids vaccinated ...why you so worried about those who don't vaccinate?

after all....you guys are protected ....right?

Because not everyone can be vaccinated. Some children are allergic to some of the components of the vaccine. So these children are only protected by herd immunity. And because our herd immunity is so strong these kids are generally fine.

However, if more and more people stop vaccinating their kids, not only are they putting their own kids at risk, but they are putting these kids allergic to vaccines at risk as well.

So, when you are knowingly endangering other people with your decision, it does became our "worry".

[AlphaWolf24]

You specifically asked why I care about children who haven't been vaccinated. You then use yourself as an example to counter my argument while simultaneously stating that you are not a member of the group you asked me about.


No I asked......if you got yo kids Vaccinated......why are you worried about parents who don't Vaccinate?...

since yo kids are already protected...



read the whole thread...I've proven my point...

[AlphaWolf24]

Because not everyone can be vaccinated. Some children are allergic to some of the components of the vaccine. So these children are only protected by herd immunity. And because our herd immunity is so strong these kids are generally fine.

However, if more and more people stop vaccinating their kids, not only are they putting their own kids at risk, but they are putting these kids allergic to vaccines at risk as well.

So, when you are knowingly endangering other people with your decision, it does became our "worry".


again...do the research....


The herd-immunity concept is based on a faulty assumption that vaccination elicits in an individual a state equivalent to bona fide immunity (life-long resistance to viral infection). As with any garbage in-garbage out type of theory, the expectations of the herd-immunity theory are bound to fail in the real world....


Even though endemic outbreaks of common childhood diseases, such as measles, have been eliminated in some regions after prolonged mass-vaccination efforts, we are still being constantly reminded that reducing vaccination coverage of children in a community poses the risk of a reimported disease outbreak with potentially dire consequences to infants and immuno-compromised individuals. We are also being persuaded that implementing strict vaccination compliance will prevent an outbreak and protect vaccine-ineligible infants via the herd-immunity effect.

There is no question that a disease outbreak can happen in a non-immune community, if a virus gets there. The real question is, how well can high-vaccination compliance ensure herd immunity and protect a community from an outbreak?

Herd Immunity, a Key Principle
Herd immunity is not an immunologic idea, but rather an epidemiologic construct, which theoretically predicts successful disease control when a certain pre-calculated percentage of people in the population are immune from disease. A scholarly article on herd immunity states:

"Along with the growth of interest in herd immunity, there has been a proliferation of views of what it means or even of whether it exists at all. Several authors have written of data on measles, which "challenge" the principle of herd immunity and others cite widely divergent estimates (from 70 to 95 percent) of the magnitude of the herd immunity threshold required for measles eradication."[1]

Herd immunity has been deemed instrumental in rapid disease eradication. Relying upon the meticulous work of Dr. A. W. Hedrich, who documented annual measles attack rates in relation to the proportion of naturally immune people in the 1900s-1930s, the United States Public Health Service had confidently announced in 1967 its intent to swiftly eradicate measles in the USA over the Winter by vaccinating a sufficient number of still susceptible children.[2] Mass vaccination was implemented, but the expected herd-immunity effect did not materialize and measles epidemics did not stop in 1967.


you are trying to generalize everyone.....in the process doing more harm then good...

[travelingman]

No I asked......if you got yo kids Vaccinated......why are you worried about parents who don't Vaccinate?...

since yo kids are already protected...



read the whole thread...I've proven my point...

They go hand-in-hand; it does not matter whether you are speaking about me worrying over the parents of the unvaccinated or the unvaccinated themselves...either way the concern originates from the increased health risks the children are being unnecessarily exposed to.

[AlphaWolf24]

They go hand-in-hand; it does not matter whether you are speaking about me worrying over the parents of the unvaccinated or the unvaccinated themselves...either way the concern originates from the increased health risks the children are being unnecessarily exposed to.

My children had no health risk....

the generalization of health " risks" did not fit with my Children...

that's why I did not Vaccinate..

there was no need to get the Hp B vaccine...or any others.

[travelingman]

again...do the research....





you are trying to generalize everyone.....in the process doing more harm then good...

Green Med Info? The founder of that website, Sayer Ji, is a quack. Maybe you should try doing some research...

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/tag/sayer-ji/

[AlphaWolf24]

Green Med Info? The founder of that website, Sayer Ji, is a quack. Maybe you should try doing some research...

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/tag/sayer-ji/

I did do the research...

My children were at zero risk of contacting Hep B....so why should I inject a newborn?

at the end of the day...I am responsible.....not some doctor.....not the government...not the pharmaceutical company...


there was absolutely no reason to get Vaccinated...

[IamRAMBO24]

I know. The biggest idiots are guys like DeuceWallaces who try to shut down anyone who doesnt agree with the scientific consensus. Totally incapable of having an actual discussion of substance.

Agreed.

This kid is a joke and should not be taken seriously.

[DeuceWallaces]

Agreed.

This kid is a joke and should not be taken seriously.

If only Alpha was your dad so you would have died of polio.

[KyrieTheFuture]

The fact that people are dumb enough to not get vaccinated is hilarious