Steve Nash Highlights (1 hour+)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsTDR-9BFs&list=UUZhVpyGDVCIFOcX4DsuQ4Tg
Fantastic compilation by the ISH poster, "Kovach" ...

Checkout the dirty spin and subsquent off-hand and off-balanced finish at 6:31. :eek: This video is like basketball fundamental candy.

[JT123]

Truly underrated player. Almost forgot how good he was before that guy in LA turned him into a spot up shooter.

[ArbitraryWater]

We did have a thread for this, though..

[kennethgriffin]

Truly underrated player. Almost forgot how good he was before that guy in LA turned him into a spot up shooter.

i don't think you know what that word means


he's great. one of the top 5-7 pg's ever.


but he was gifted 2 mvps for being white. ( and i'm a white canadian saying this )


he's the only mvp winner to never make the finals

and he never played a lick of defense in his entire career


he also protected his field goal percentage far too often when his team needed points

plus he's an admitted money grabber. saying he's willingly f*cking the lakers cap over to collect his pay cheque. skipping entire seasons over nerve damage lol

he's just not good anymore and doesnt wanna embarrass himself while collecting 10 mill a year


his career average is 14/8/3


nash is great. a hall of famer. a top 50 player ever. but hes overrated

[SteveNashMVPcro]

i don't think you know what that word means


he's great. one of the top 5-7 pg's ever.


but he was gifted 2 mvps for being white. ( and i'm a white canadian saying this )


he's the only mvp winner to never make the finals

and he never played a lick of defense in his entire career


he also protected his field goal percentage far too often when his team needed points

plus he's an admitted money grabber. saying he's willingly f*cking the lakers cap over to collect his pay cheque. skipping entire seasons over nerve damage lol

he's just not good anymore and doesnt wanna embarrass himself while collecting 10 mill a year


his career average is 14/8/3


nash is great. a hall of famer. a top 50 player ever. but hes overrated
While I don't think he's underrated, he also isn't overrated.
You can argue his 2006 MVP but his 2005 one was well deserved.His play made Phoenix go from a 29 win team to a 62 win one, making them contenders.He also showed a lot in the playoffs that year, not that the POs are taken into account but it sure showed why he was the MVP that year.

He lost to the eventual champs in 2005,2007 and 2010.It's not like the Suns got beaten by weak teams.The Suns were never good enough to win it all.The best shot they had was in 2007 but the suspension to Amare and Diaw(was it Diaw?Can't really tell of the top of my head) ruined it.And it's not like massively choked in any of the series, the Suns had the talent but they were never good/healthy/lucky enough to win it all.

And Nash was pretty clutch and willing to take the ball in his hands, not really sure what you're talking about here.He was somewhat turnover prone in the clutch still I don't think he ever protected his fg%.Not only that but he also took games over with his scoring if the rest of the team wasn't feeling it, but at the end of the day his job was to get everybody involved.

He was never a great 1v1 defender, for obvious reasons tbh.Not all that quick,average sized arms, low vertical, relatively weak upper body.Adding to that, he was also a part of teams who never had good defensive coaching and cared a lot more about the offense.

Money grabbing doesn't really have to do anything with his over/underrated status.The Lakers offered him that money, why wouldn't he take it?It's not even like he has a conection with LA like he has in PHX.

14/8/3 on something like 49/43/90, leading the league in all time ft%, being top 10 in 3pt fg% and top 15 in made 3pters.And his impact isn't just isnt just in the numbers.He led some of the all time(including the no1 all time) most efficient offensive teams.That says something about his impact on the game which is far greater than pure stats suggest.

BTW nice mix, saw it earlier in the thread Kovach made, really shows the basketball fundamentals Nash possesses and how beautiful to watch his game is(was)

[kennethgriffin]

While I don't think he's underrated, he also isn't overrated.
You can argue his 2006 MVP but his 2005 one was well deserved.His play made Phoenix go from a 29 win team to a 62 win one, making them contenders.He also showed a lot in the playoffs that year, not that the POs are taken into account but it sure showed why he was the MVP that year.

He lost to the eventual champs in 2005,2007 and 2010.It's not like the Suns got beaten by weak teams.The Suns were never good enough to win it all.The best shot they had was in 2007 but the suspension to Amare and Diaw(was it Diaw?Can't really tell of the top of my head) ruined it.And it's not like massively choked in any of the series, the Suns had the talent but they were never good/healthy/lucky enough to win it all.

And Nash was pretty clutch and willing to take the ball in his hands, not really sure what you're talking about here.He was somewhat turnover prone in the clutch still I don't think he ever protected his fg%.Not only that but he also took games over with his scoring if the rest of the team wasn't feeling it, but at the end of the day his job was to get everybody involved.

He was never a great 1v1 defender, for obvious reasons tbh.Not all that quick,average sized arms, low vertical, relatively weak upper body.Adding to that, he was also a part of teams who never had good defensive coaching and cared a lot more about the offense.

Money grabbing doesn't really have to do anything with his over/underrated status.The Lakers offered him that money, why wouldn't he take it?It's not even like he has a conection with LA like he has in PHX.

14/8/3 on something like 49/43/90, leading the league in all time ft%, being top 10 in 3pt fg% and top 15 in made 3pters.And his impact isn't just isnt just in the numbers.He led some of the all time(including the no1 all time) most efficient offensive teams.That says something about his impact on the game which is far greater than pure stats suggest.

BTW nice mix, saw it earlier in the thread Kovach made, really shows the basketball fundamentals Nash possesses and how beautiful to watch his game is(was)

no see. he is overrated

he has more mvps than

- Kobe Bryant
- Oscar Robertson
- Shaquille O'neal
- Hakeem Olajuwon


he IS overrated. he was rated MVP twice. and never made the finals. thats OVER............ RATING

its literally the definition

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[ArbitraryWater]

It's called adding context...

At the time Nash won his MVP's, LeBron/Kobe/Garnett spend their primes on garbage teams, and it was either him or Dirk... And I do think Dirk should have won in '06.

But also, Nash is one of the best behind the box score guys ever.... Top 10 offensive player ever.

Rated 25th on RealGM's GOAT list (2014)

[kennethgriffin]

It's called adding context...

At the time Nash won his MVP's, LeBron/Kobe/Garnett spend their primes on garbage teams, and it was either him or Dirk... And I do think Dirk should have won in '06.

But also, Nash is one of the best behind the box score guys ever.... Top 10 offensive player ever.

Rated 25th on RealGM's GOAT list (2014)

except that shaq was clear cut mvp in 2005.. he changed around miami when he went there. and he had the hardware/career to back up his mvp chances

nash had sweet f*ck all

and in 2006 i wouldnt have minded if they gave it to kobe, dirk or even lebron rather than steve nash


there is no context. since nash didnt deserve the awards anyway

he averaged 15ppg/11apg/3rpg


in 2005 nash had

amare averaging 26ppg/9rpg/2apg
marion averaging 19ppg/11reb/2apg/2spg
johnson averaging 17ppg/5reb/4apg
richardson averaging 15ppg/6reb/2apg

that was a TEAM

and those guys werent just products of nash either

amares first year in new york he averaged 25ppg/9reb/3apg
marion was having 20/10 seasons well before nash
johnsons an allstar without nash
even richardson had good years without nash


fact is


NASH WAS OVERRATED

[SteveNashMVPcro]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]no see. he is overrated

he has more mvps than

- Kobe Bryant
- Oscar Robertson
- Shaquille O'neal
- Hakeem Olajuwon


he IS overrated. he was rated MVP twice. and never made the finals. thats OVER............ RATING

its literally the definition

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[kennethgriffin]

It's called adding context...

At the time Nash won his MVP's, LeBron/Kobe/Garnett spend their primes on garbage teams, and it was either him or Dirk... And I do think Dirk should have won in '06.

But also, Nash is one of the best behind the box score guys ever.... Top 10 offensive player ever.

Rated 25th on RealGM's GOAT list (2014)


i rest my case


nash is no higher than 35th all time...

[kennethgriffin]

Again I don't think people understand the meaning of the MVP award.It's called the most VALUABLE player awards because it's given to the player whose impact made his team better.Nash was exactly that in those years.Again you can definately and rightfully so argue his 2006 MVP, but in 2005 he turned a franchise around, from a lottery pick team into contenders in just 1 season.I think, hopefully im not wrong, it's the 2nd greatest turnaround in just 1 season by any team in the NBA and Nash made it happend.Again I can't remember the exact stats, but the Suns went something like 2-5 with Nash out in 2005, just shows you the impact he had on the team-
And again, you make direct corelations between an individual award and a team accomplishment.As I said, the Suns were never good/lucky enough to win it all, not directly Nash's fault


theres only one problem... they have this grey area for the mvp award when its handed out.

but long after the fact when talking about the best individual players of all time. people use lebrons mvps to prop him up

so one minute all it means is "whos most valuable to cleveland a specific year on a team with a top record" ... then another minute its ... lebrons 4 mvps over so and so's 1-3 mvps means hes a better player

so why one minute does the mvp mean "not the best player. then another minute its the best player award

depends on agendas i guess

[SteveNashMVPcro]

in 2005 nash had

amare averaging 26ppg/9rpg/2apg
marion averaging 19ppg/11reb/2apg/2spg
johnson averaging 17ppg/5reb/4apg
richardson averaging 15ppg/6reb/2apg

that was a TEAM

and those guys werent just products of nash either

amares first year in new york he averaged 25ppg/9reb/3apg
marion was having 20/10 seasons well before nash
johnsons an allstar without nash
even richardson had good years without nash


fact is


NASH WAS OVERRATED
And how many games did that "superteam" win in 2004?
While loaded with fire power, it lacked a bench(remember the 7 man D'Antoni rotations in the playoffs), rebounding and defense(from coaching to idividual players)

Amare's FG% also dropped by like 5% and the Knicks got like what?Swept in the 1st round?
Marion's stas were nice before Nash, sure, but what real impact did he have on the number of wins his team had?
Johnson was a young, developing player at that point.
The Suns' Richardson was past his prime.Nobody claims Nash made Richradson but it's a fact they 2 worked really well together

[SteveNashMVPcro]

theres only one problem... they have this grey area for the mvp award when its handed out.

but long after the fact when talking about the best individual players of all time. people use lebrons mvps to prop him up

so one minute all it means is "whos most valuable to cleveland a specific year on a team with a top record" ... then another minute its ... lebrons 4 mvps over so and so's 1-3 mvps means hes a better player

so why one minute does the mvp mean "not the best player. then another minute its the best player award

depends on agendas i guess
most valuable=/=best, but to win the MVP you have to be one of the best at that point and your individual performance has to boost your teams win%

[YouGotServed]

lol @ a Kobe fan criticizing Nash for getting that money. Please tell me you see the irony.

[kennethgriffin]

most valuable=/=best, but to win the MVP you have to be one of the best at that point and your individual performance has to boost your teams win%


regardless of the definition


nash didnt deserve the award either year

if it was biggest impact. shaq had a bigger impact on miami. especially considering the title they won a year later

and its not as if we were guessing the type of impact shaq has on a team like we were with nash.. since shaq was there before many times. and nash could never get dallas over the hump even when they had more talent than phoenix did


and in 2006. whether it was pure performance... kobe.....or how badly the team would play without someone ... kobe........or pure value to a team with 50+ wins + performance .... dirk/lebron.

nash was not mvp in 2006 either

[SteveNashMVPcro]

regardless of the definition


nash didnt deserve the award either year

if it was biggest impact. shaq had a bigger impact on miami. especially considering the title they won a year later

and its not as if we were guessing the type of impact shaq has on a team like we were with nash.. since shaq was there before many times. and nash could never get dallas over the hump even when they had more talent than phoenix did


and in 2006. whether it was pure performance... kobe.....or how badly the team would play without someone ... kobe........or pure value to a team with 50+ wins + performance .... dirk/lebron.

nash was not mvp in 2006 either
Miami was a playoff team before Shaq came, the Suns were the 2nd worst team in the west.That's a huge difference.
Nash in Dallas was not their no1 option, Dirk was.His role in PHX was a lot different from that he had in Dallas.And in 2003,when they had the best chance to win it, Dirk got injured in the WCF.Kind of simmilar to the JJ injury in the WCSF in 2005 where he had to miss the 1st 2 games vs the Spurs

[kennethgriffin]

Miami was a playoff team before Shaq came, the Suns were the 2nd worst team in the west.That's a huge difference.
Nash in Dallas was not their no1 option, Dirk was.His role in PHX was a lot different from that he had in Dallas.And in 2003,when they had the best chance to win it, Dirk got injured in the WCF.Kind of simmilar to the JJ injury in the WCSF in 2005 where he had to miss the 1st 2 games vs the Spurs

going by this definition kobe should have been mvp in 2013 and if the lakers are good this year hes mvp in 2015

based on the lakers being the 2nd best team in the nba post allstar break in 2013. then without kobe in 2014 ending up 2nd worst in the west


and sorry but odom and rookie wades heat were SH*t compared to shaq/wades heat

and making the playoffs in the 2004 east aint sh*t.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

going by this definition kobe should have been mvp in 2013 and if the lakers are good this year hes mvp in 2015

based on the lakers being the 2nd best team in the nba post allstar break in 2013. then without kobe in 2014 ending up 2nd worst in the west


and sorry but odom and rookie wades heat were SH*t compared to shaq/wades heat

and making the playoffs in the 2004 east aint sh*t.
When looking at the entire season, the Lakers weren't close to being good enough for Kobe to win the MVP and hypotethically yes Kobe has a shot at the MVP if the Lakers play well and win around 55 games and if no other player on a team with simmilar amount of wins has a greater impact.

Yeah beacuse Shaq has a greater impact than Lamar Odom and Wade got some experience since he was in his 2nd season when Shaq arrived, still don't see where are you going to with this.

They still had a winning record and made the POs.The Suns were a lottery team

[kennethgriffin]

When looking at the entire season, the Lakers weren't close to being good enough for Kobe to win the MVP and hypotethically yes Kobe has a shot at the MVP if the Lakers play well and win around 55 games and if no other player on a team with simmilar amount of wins has a greater impact.

Yeah beacuse Shaq has a greater impact than Lamar Odom and Wade got some experience since he was in his 2nd season when Shaq arrived, still don't see where are you going to with this.

They still had a winning record and made the POs.The Suns were a lottery team

ok fine give it to dirk or lebron

but in 1988 jordan had the 8th best record and won mvp over 2 guys with #1 seeds "magic/bird" just cause jordan was obviously the best player and had the best season

so the criteria is whatever the media makes of it



and btw... kobe and shaqs impact on teams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nash's

we've figured this out by now bud

remember when kobe made nash cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWGXKA0I_Q

[SteveNashMVPcro]

ok fine give it to dirk or lebron

but in 1988 jordan had the 8th best record and won mvp over 2 guys with #1 seeds "magic/bird" just cause jordan was obviously the best player and had the best season

so the criteria is whatever the media makes of it



and btw... kobe and shaqs impact on teams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nash's

we've figured this out by now bud

remember when kobe made nash cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWGXKA0I_Q
What did they do to deserve it over Nash in 2005?

Well then obviously the media, who make the criteria, thought that Nash matched the criteria the most, they didn't just give him the award for nothing.His impact was visible and as ArbitraryWater said earlier the context was such that he was the best pick for the award.

Nash is,impact vise, on pair with Shaq and Kobe.He wasn't the indivdual force like them 2 but his overall impact on the game was pretty close.

And I really don't know what this last part was supose to be?Who are you mocking at exactly?Me for being a Nash fan or Nash for showing a normal human emotion?I'm not gonna go down to your level.I don't need to put people down beacuse of my own insecureness to make myself feel better.So enjoy :cheers:

[Young X]

Top 5 PG OAT

[kennethgriffin]

What did they do to deserve it over Nash in 2005?

Well then obviously the media, who make the criteria, thought that Nash matched the criteria the most, they didn't just give him the award for nothing.His impact was visible and as ArbitraryWater said earlier the context was such that he was the best pick for the award.

Nash is,impact vise, on pair with Shaq and Kobe.He wasn't the indivdual force like them 2 but his overall impact on the game was pretty close.

And I really don't know what this last part was supose to be?Who are you mocking at exactly?Me for being a Nash fan or Nash for showing a normal human emotion?I'm not gonna go down to your level.I don't need to put people down beacuse of my own insecureness to make myself feel better.So enjoy :cheers:

youre a nash fan

I'm a kobe fan


I think we know who won and who lost in the end

The insecure one is the guy who chased kobe

[Lebron23]

It's called adding context...

At the time Nash won his MVP's, LeBron/Kobe/Garnett spend their primes on garbage teams, and it was either him or Dirk... And I do think Dirk should have won in '06.

But also, Nash is one of the best behind the box score guys ever.... Top 10 offensive player ever.

Rated 25th on RealGM's GOAT list (2014)


Cavs actually won 50 games in the 2005-06 NBA Season. They had a good record against the western conference teams. And Lebron averaged 31/7/7 in the regular season.