Domestic Violence is bullshit.

[Richesly]

So, I gotta question.

All these feminists always yap on and on about women needing equal rights. Seems to me they have more rights than men.


Ray Rice for example. Defended himself when his crazy girl attacked him twice.

The girl threw elbows, slaps, and punches. Ray threw two punches. TWO. Both in self defense.

But all these "feminists" crying about it make me laugh. They want to be equal with only the good stuff, none of the bad.

The double standard is strong. And i don't give a shit about the size difference. It's all in the principle. People are saying Ray Rice abused his girl, but it's the other way around. Ray was being abused and finally blew up on her.

This world is retarded as ****.

[iamgine]

You got to understand that feminists are working for female's right. When a man got attacked by a woman, that's not their cause, just like it's not PETA's cause or your insurance company's cause.

Same with when black people is being the victim, that is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's cause. When black people is the aggressor, that is not their cause so it is right for them to keep quiet.

[Richesly]

You got to understand that feminists are working for female's right. When a man got attacked by a woman, that's not their cause, just like it's not PETA's cause or your insurance company's cause.

Same with when black people is being the victim, that is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's cause. When black people is the aggressor, that is not their cause so it is right for them to keep quiet.


But they don't keep quiet. They just go on a rant how a girl got hit by a guy.

[iamgine]

But they don't keep quiet. They just go on a rant how a girl got hit by a guy.
Of course, that's their cause.

[Richesly]

Of course, that's their cause.

It is their cause. Equal rights between women and men right?

[TheSilentKiller]

Hope Solo beats up people in her family

nothin happening to her from her team or the league, heh heh heh
I thought she missed an olympics because of it...

[MMM]

Before people mention self defense on ISH they should look up what it means because it is obvious that most on here don't have a clue about what is self defense. Maybe the mods can sticky a thread with definitions so posters would actually know wtf they were talking about.

[TheSilentKiller]

hmm not sure
definitely not 2012, i remember her beating my Canadians :[

according to wiki she has 2008 olympic gold medal as well

damn, what a boss :applause:
oh wow, i stand corrected.

[Warfan]

Did you even watch the vid? Rewatch it if you have. He spits in her face outside, she barely even tries to slap him (it was very soft) as she walks to the elevator. He spits on her again and clocks her in the face :facepalm Then of course she goes at him (she doesn't even touch him either) and he knocks her out with another punch :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI

[Richesly]

Did you even watch the vid? Rewatch it if you have. He spits in her face outside, she barely even tries to slap him (it was very soft) as she walks to the elevator. He spits on her again and clocks her in the face :facepalm Then of course she goes at him (she doesn't even touch him either) and he knocks her out with another punch :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI

She was throwing elbows in the elevator, rewatch closely.

[JohnFreeman]

Tonnes of women laughed when Jayz was being attacked in the elevator, but if it was reversed...

[Warfan]

She was throwing elbows in the elevator, rewatch closely.

When? Cant tell if you're trolling, she doesn't even touch him besides that soft slap outside.

[Trollsmasher]

teach yourself about modern feminism

it still pretends that it cares about equal rights (they will always throw that definition at you), but in the west it is basically a genocidal hate movement

[iamgine]

It is their cause. Equal rights between women and men right?
Nope, female right.

[32jazz]

Did you even watch the vid? Rewatch it if you have. He spits in her face outside, she barely even tries to slap him (it was very soft) as she walks to the elevator. He spits on her again and clocks her in the face :facepalm Then of course she goes at him (she doesn't even touch him either) and he knocks her out with another punch :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI

You have described the incident perfectly & the guy who claims Janay elbowed or did anything remotely violent is trolling. She only reacted to being spat upon 2 times by her disgusting husband plus being slapped. She barely swatted at his face after being spat upon outside.


I don't believe the philosophy that a man should 'never ever ' put his hands on a woman ,but Janay Rice did absolutely nothing on that video to be hit let alone be hit with a closed fist. A man (who claims to love you) that spits in your face has a deep seated anger/hatred or visceral disgust for you & I don't understand why she stayed with after the spitting.

I can forgive someone striking me ,but the psychological implications of a supposed loved one spitting in my face is nearly unforgivable.

[niko]

What exactly does domestic violence have to do with feminism? What is the fascination on this board with feminism? I don't think I've literally in my life spent 90 seconds thinking on what feminism means.

I'm a man, and therefore I don't hit people I'm bigger and stronger than. If my wife decided to go psycho, I'd hold her arms till she stopped. How is that hard? I've had situations like this before, I was banging my psycho ex gf friend and she decided to come bearing gifts of glass battles to throw at me. You extricate yourself. I didn't hit her, and when situation was done, i had no issues. As opposed to your solution, punch the crazy person, and explain to the judge what happened. That makes sense?

This board spends an inordinate amount of time talking about how "tough" they are yet you are really concerned with being beat up by girls and self defense in those situations. Its confusing.

[robert de niro]

What exactly does domestic violence have to do with feminism? What is the fascination on this board with feminism? I don't think I've literally in my life spent 90 seconds thinking on what feminism means.

I'm a man, and therefore I don't hit people I'm bigger and stronger than. If my wife decided to go psycho, I'd hold her arms till she stopped. How is that hard? I've had situations like this before, I was banging my psycho ex gf friend and she decided to come bearing gifts of glass battles to throw at me. You extricate yourself. I didn't hit her, and when situation was done, i had no issues. As opposed to your solution, punch the crazy person, and explain to the judge what happened. That makes sense?

This board spends an inordinate amount of time talking about how "tough" they are yet you are really concerned with being beat up by girls and self defense in those situations. Its confusing.
they feel so threatened by women in all aspects of their lives they gotta let it out on the internet :oldlol:

[DukeDelonte13]

Domestic Violence is real and very very sad.

[Nick Young]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBHD6oTJIA

Watch this.

Women cheering on a woman beating on a man in public. All of the women just assume the man had it coming and deserves to get wailed on. One even said she sees the abuser as a hero to look up too.

Reverse the genders here.

Feminism basically teaches girls that they're allowed to hit and physically abuse men with no repercussion.

[Nick Young]

Hope Solo beats up people in her family

nothin happening to her from her team or the league, heh heh heh
Tiger Woods wife beat him up with a golf club. No charges were pressed. She was rewarded with half of his fortune and a 9 million dollar mansion.

Gender equality:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Nick Young]

Tonnes of women laughed when Jayz was being attacked in the elevator, but if it was reversed...
yep. did police even press charges against that bish?

[dude77]

there's an obvious double standard but this is nothing about 'self defense' .. some of you just sound like a bunch of misogynist fggts using this incident to whine about females .. bad example to use though because ray rice is in the wrong on this one ..

he's in absolutely no fear of her .. he looks like he's actually bullying her .. he's provoking her, looking for a reaction and an excuse to hit her ..

he spits on her outside .. she hits him in response .. but even then you can see she's not looking for a fight from the way she hits him .. lightly slaps him then just keeps walking leisurely .. apparently that was like a 'tease' to him .. he needed to keep provoking her some more so he could have the excuse to really 'unload' on her .. cue next scene ..

she's not attacking him or even looking for any altercation in the elevator yet he's standing all up in her space then apparently spits on her again(provocation continues) .. she reacts by swinging her arm at him .. he backs up waiting for her so he can swing at her face .. ray rice is a bitch .. I guarantee you he won't try that shit on a man his own size or bigger ..

then if that's not enough, look how he treats her after he's knocked her ass out lol .. that's not only his fiance but the mother of his kids .. imagine his son/daughter watching that .. he's acting like a total bitch in that video .. an adolescent little bitch..

I mean, this video is pretty clear cut .. some of you are really showing your virgin asses by even entertaining the idea that he was in the right in this video

[DeuceWallaces]

So, I gotta question.

All these feminists always yap on and on about women needing equal rights. Seems to me they have more rights than men.


Ray Rice for example. Defended himself when his crazy girl attacked him twice.

The girl threw elbows, slaps, and punches. Ray threw two punches. TWO. Both in self defense.

But all these "feminists" crying about it make me laugh. They want to be equal with only the good stuff, none of the bad.

The double standard is strong. And i don't give a shit about the size difference. It's all in the principle. People are saying Ray Rice abused his girl, but it's the other way around. Ray was being abused and finally blew up on her.

This world is retarded as ****.

Dude, you are retarded as ****.

[Trollsmasher]

What exactly does domestic violence have to do with feminism? What is the fascination on this board with feminism? I don't think I've literally in my life spent 90 seconds thinking on what feminism means.

I'm a man, and therefore I don't hit people I'm bigger and stronger than. If my wife decided to go psycho, I'd hold her arms till she stopped. How is that hard? I've had situations like this before, I was banging my psycho ex gf friend and she decided to come bearing gifts of glass battles to throw at me. You extricate yourself. I didn't hit her, and when situation was done, i had no issues. As opposed to your solution, punch the crazy person, and explain to the judge what happened. That makes sense?

This board spends an inordinate amount of time talking about how "tough" they are yet you are really concerned with being beat up by girls and self defense in those situations. Its confusing.
so you would not hit a bantam weight fighter if he decided to kill you?

[Nick Young]

there's an obvious double standard but this is nothing about 'self defense' .. some of you just sound like a bunch of misogynist fggts using this incident to whine about females .. bad example to use though because ray rice is in the wrong on this one ..

he's in absolutely no fear of her .. he looks like he's actually bullying her .. he's provoking her, looking for a reaction and an excuse to hit her ..

he spits on her outside .. she hits him in response .. but even then you can see she's not looking for a fight from the way she hits him .. lightly slaps him then just keeps walking leisurely .. apparently that was like a 'tease' to him .. he needed to keep provoking her some more so he could have the excuse to really 'unload' on her .. cue next scene ..

she's not attacking him or even looking for any altercation in the elevator yet he's standing all up in her space then apparently spits on her again(provocation continues) .. she reacts by swinging her arm at him .. he backs up waiting for her so he can swing at her face .. ray rice is a bitch .. I guarantee you he won't try that shit on a man his own size or bigger ..

then if that's not enough, look how he treats her after he's knocked her ass out lol .. that's not only his fiance but the mother of his kids .. imagine his son/daughter watching that .. he's acting like a total bitch in that video .. an adolescent little bitch..

I mean, this video is pretty clear cut .. some of you are really showing your virgin asses by even entertaining the idea that he was in the right in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBHD6oTJIA
What do you have to say to this video, bro?

[dude77]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBHD6oTJIA
What do you have to say to this video, bro?

that's obviously bullshit .. I agreed there's a double standard .. but how can anyone argue in rice's favor in that video ? that shit is clear cut .. he comes off like a punk and a bully there

[Nick Young]

This.

Nick Young again exposing himself as a complete loon.
What have I said that's loony bro?

What are your thoughts on this video breh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBHD6oTJIA

[niko]

so you would not hit a bantam weight fighter if he decided to kill you?
I mean if someone posed no threat clearly.

How hilarious with this conversation be in real life? Bunch of guy sitting and talking how they are threatened by feminism so they might have to punch a woman. This doesn't embarrass you?

[SunsN07BookIt]

Ray Rice knocked his fiance out cold, only an idiot would defend that. But those who say there is a double-standard in regards to a person's sex with issues like domestic violence are right. Men are simply physically larger and stronger.

There are also double-standards in regards to race and religion. So shrug your shoulders and live with it, or be selective about it and be a hypocrite.

[ace23]

I mean if someone posed no threat clearly.

How hilarious with this conversation be in real life? Bunch of guy sitting and talking how they are threatened by feminism so they might have to punch a woman. This doesn't embarrass you?
Why can't you just argue his point instead of throwing some lame ad hominem?

There is a double standard here. The fact that you believe that since you're a man, you don't think you should hit women who attack you is a problem. It's not the most pressing issue in the world, but the double standard is there.

[robert de niro]

Why can't you just argue his point instead of throwing some lame ad hominem?

There is a double standard here. The fact that you believe that since you're a man, you don't think you should hit women who attack you is a problem. It's not the most pressing issue in the world, but the double standard is there.
that's not double standard, there's nothing wrong in acknowledging sexual dimorphism

[ace23]

that's not double standard, there's nothing wrong in acknowledging sexual dimorphism
That's not simply "acknowledging" sexual dimorphism. It's society's holding men to a different standard when caught in the exact same situation as a woman. Doesn't matter what's between your legs; if you attack someone, expect that someone to fight back.

[ROCSteady]

This is so two weeks ago.

[Nick Young]

that's obviously bullshit .. I agreed there's a double standard .. but how can anyone argue in rice's favor in that video ? that shit is clear cut .. he comes off like a punk and a bully there
I am not arguing in Rices favor anymore. Before I wasnt arguing in his favor, only asking questions in order to hear the answers and different perspectives.

[MadeFromDust]

i don't give a fcuk if she don't get my sammich right and on time there's gonna be a problem

[Nick Young]

I mean if someone posed no threat clearly.

How hilarious with this conversation be in real life? Bunch of guy sitting and talking how they are threatened by feminism so they might have to punch a woman. This doesn't embarrass you?
Who is threatened by feminism that they want to punch women? You're just making things up.

What if Ronda Rousey attacked you, would you just 'hold her back til she calmed down'?

What is so wrong with people wishing for true gender equality and equal treatment? Isn't gender equality what feminism is supposed to be about?

[niko]

Who is threatened by feminism that they want to punch women? You're just making things up.

What if Ronda Rousey attacked you, would you just 'hold her back til she calmed down'?

What is so wrong with people wishing for true gender equality and equal treatment? Isn't gender equality what feminism is supposed to be about?
If you need to make a ridiculous example (i am being attacked by the UFC female champion, really? This is happening?) then chances are it's not an exception worth noting. People in this thread are justifying violence against women by talking about equal rights and feminism. That's the conversation. Read the thread. Aren't women equal? Then why can't we hit them if the need arises?

If the fact you may need to hit a woman is a concern of yours on a daily basis then i feel bad for you. If Feminism is a worry of yours on a daily basis, that just makes me confused. I don't think i've spent more than 80 seconds in my entire life thinking about feminism.

[niko]

Why can't you just argue his point instead of throwing some lame ad hominem?

There is a double standard here. The fact that you believe that since you're a man, you don't think you should hit women who attack you is a problem. It's not the most pressing issue in the world, but the double standard is there.
There's double standards all over life. And most of them favor men over women. I don't want to eliminate double standards. Woman are not men. Men are not women. If my wife is worried someone is outside the house, I go check. Not we are equal so whoever is closest checks. I carry the heavier packages. She cooks. We are not the same. Maybe YOU and women are the same, but me and women are not the same.

And one of these general differences is men are stronger, ergo a man has to be more controlled in hitting than a woman is.

How is this hard to understand?

[ace23]

I don't want to eliminate double standards.
Ok

[brooklynsfinest]

Domestic violence means smacking around bitches, so it must be something that all of you face a lot, being bitches and all. :lol

[NumberSix]

There's double standards all over life. And most of them favor men over women. I don't want to eliminate double standards. Woman are not men. Men are not women. If my wife is worried someone is outside the house, I go check. Not we are equal so whoever is closest checks. I carry the heavier packages. She cooks. We are not the same. Maybe YOU and women are the same, but me and women are not the same.

And one of these general differences is men are stronger, ergo a man has to be more controlled in hitting than a woman is.

How is this hard to understand?
I'm not about hitting people, but......

I look at women attacking men the same way I look at a smaller guy attacking a bigger guy. Your well being is your own responsibility. When you decide to put someone else in a situation where they need to protect themselves from physical harm, your safety is not that persons responsibility. If you don't want to get hurt by someone's defensive measures, don't attack them to begin with.

To be clear, I'm. Im not talking about revenge or striking in anger. I'm simply talking about whatever is necessary to end the attack. Nothing beyond that.

[GimmeThat]

are women allowed to hit cops?

because surely, I think it is fair when they attack an aggressor

[iamgine]

What about slapping to teach them a lesson as you would a child or punks? I mean, in the case of they coming at you, even if they are harmless, you'd want to convey the message that it is not okay to do that. It's not about self defense or violence, it's about teaching so that this person that you have a relationship with understand boundaries.

[D-FENS]

I whole lot of idiocy in this thread. Ray Rice spat on his gf, took some very small elbows or slaps back and punched her out. End of story. The guy is a pig, and anyone that supports any sort of domestic violence either way is a pig. Domestic violence is never ok.

[niko]

I'm not about hitting people, but......

I look at women attacking men the same way I look at a smaller guy attacking a bigger guy. Your well being is your own responsibility. When you decide to put someone else in a situation where they need to protect themselves from physical harm, your safety is not that persons responsibility. If you don't want to get hurt by someone's defensive measures, don't attack them to begin with.

To be clear, I'm. Im not talking about revenge or striking in anger. I'm simply talking about whatever is necessary to end the attack. Nothing beyond that.

Domestic violence is abusive behavior toward a person you are in a relationship with. It's not a bar fight. These examples of the small woman running to hit you, it would be your girlfriend. You have a need to punch out someone you are dating and not just hold them down?

And note, if a small man comes at you, you can "defend yourself". Defending is reasonable force. If an 80 yr old man lunges at me and I hit him as hard as I can and he is really hurt, i am in trouble. That's not reasonable force. And reasonable force changes by the individual. So if you are 6'9'', former Ranger Seal, can kill with a pinky, you are expected to be more reasonable with use of force knowing this. So if this little woman comes at you, this thought that she deserves what she gets, too bad - have fun in court with that.

This code of ethics on this board, man or woman, if u come at me you get what you get doesn't work. It doesn't mean anything in terms of domestic violence because THAT IS NOT WHAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS. It doesn't work that way in life because you still will wind up in a jail cell explaining what you did.

In life I hit one person quite a few times on the premise of "he deserved it" (and he did) and I wound up in a squad car. I'd avoid the "they deserved it" premise if you aren't a child.

[niko]

You're kinda glancing past the point. It's that women, even as fully functional adults, are allowed to get away with certain things...because they're women. There's no other reason other than the fact that they're filled with estrogen.

If a guy swings on another guy and gets knocked out, he's an idiot and deserved it

If a woman swings on a guy and gets knocked out, he's an idiot and deserved it, and she's a victim.
Are you a child? You are unaware men and women are different? Is this a ****ing joke? Are you aware woman have babies come out of them and men do not? Are you aware men generally are bigger and stronger than women? Do you think men and women are 100% the same?

I have a wife, and we are not equal. I am a man, and she is a woman, and the relationship has definite rules (unwritten) based on that. Welcome to life.

MEN AND WOMEN ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. :lol Yeah, thank god.

[GimmeThat]

I whole lot of idiocy in this thread. Ray Rice spat on his gf, took some very small elbows or slaps back and punched her out. End of story. The guy is a pig, and anyone that supports any sort of domestic violence either way is a pig. Domestic violence is never ok.

its certainly a path that ought to be avoided when trying to settle an issue

as much as domestic terrorism

[GimmeThat]

Are you a child? You are unaware men and women are different? Is this a ****ing joke? Are you aware woman have babies come out of them and men do not? Are you aware men generally are bigger and stronger than women? Do you think men and women are 100% the same?

I have a wife, and we are not equal. I am a man, and she is a woman, and the relationship has definite rules (unwritten) based on that. Welcome to life.

MEN AND WOMEN ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. :lol Yeah, thank god.


lets just say that there are two roles in a relationship

that's not really such a hard concept to understand is it?


because talking to a friend, and a friend will say "it is because..."
talking to a relationship counselor/guidance, and it starts with "do you want to be happy or not"

[NumberSix]

It doesn't work that way in life because you still will wind up in a jail cell explaining what you did.

In life I hit one person quite a few times on the premise of "he deserved it" (and he did) and I wound up in a squad car. I'd avoid the "they deserved it" premise if you aren't a child.
Lol. You live in a dream world.

Unlike what "society" thinks, there isn actual "you can never hit a woman" law. Remember, you live in a country were you can kill someone just for having a reasonable belief that they posed a threat.

You seem to not be able to understand the difference between an assault and self defense. We're not talking about someone slapped you across the face so you decided to pummel them. If someone comes at you swinging, you have a legal right to do whatever is necessary to stop them. Once you've stopped it, that's the end. We're not talking about stopping the attack and then deciding to get a few more hits in.

[poido123]

Smack my b.tch up!


Wooooooow, ne ne ne ne ne

[niko]

Lol. You live in a dream world.

Unlike what "society" thinks, there isn actual "you can never hit a woman" law. Remember, you live in a country were you can kill someone just for having a reasonable belief that they posed a threat.

You seem to not be able to understand the difference between an assault and self defense. We're not talking about someone slapped you across the face so you decided to pummel them. If someone comes at you swinging, you have a legal right to do whatever is necessary to stop them. Once you've stopped it, that's the end. We're not talking about stopping the attack and then deciding to get a few more hits in.
You hit your significant other, have fun if the police see it or she reports you, because you'll be talking about it in front of a judge. I won't do it, so I won't. Trying to rationalize domestic violence by discussing situations when women might be beating you up is retarded. Sorry.

[SunsN07BookIt]

And note, if a small man comes at you, you can "defend yourself". Defending is reasonable force. If an 80 yr old man lunges at me and I hit him as hard as I can and he is really hurt, i am in trouble. That's not reasonable force. And reasonable force changes by the individual. So if you are 6'9'', former Ranger Seal, can kill with a pinky, you are expected to be more reasonable with use of force knowing this. So if this little woman comes at you, this thought that she deserves what she gets, too bad - have fun in court with that.


Yeah the courts are very aware of any advantages one person may have over the other. When I was a kid, my karate instructor was put in jail for assault when he defended himself against 3 cholos trying to rob him, and one had a knife. But the prosecutor said his hands were considered "deadly weapons", and because he attacked teenagers and the seriousness of their injuries, the jury found him guilty. The judge said even though he was being robbed, he should have used restraint given his training right before sentencing him.

[NumberSix]

You hit your significant other, have fun if the police see it or she reports you, because you'll be talking about it in front of a judge. I won't do it, so I won't. Trying to rationalize domestic violence by discussing situations when women might be beating you up is retarded. Sorry.
Nobody is trying to defend assaulting your wife/girlfriend no matter how much you insist on telling them they are.