This is the most important stat

[Marchesk]

Not PPG, not FG%, not PER, not RAPM.

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[Warfan]

Aren't you a wilt stan? :oldlol:

[Marchesk]

Aren't you a wilt stan? :oldlol:

Wilt is an exception to the rule, unlike Lebron. Basically, because he owns the record book and had to go against those Celtics teams.

Anyway, this isn't about Wilt. It's just about how those other stats always come up in who should be ranked where in GOAT discussions, when doing whatever it takes to help your team win is what matters more (see Duncan, Russell, Magic).

As for Wilt, I give you 24/24/7.8/68%, 68 wins, championship. GOAT season.

[navy]

Wilt is an exception to the rule, unlike Lebron. Basically, because he owns the record book and had to go against those Celtics teams.

Anyway, this isn't about Wilt. It's just about how those other stats always come up in who should be ranked where in GOAT discussions, when doing whatever it takes to help your team win is what matters more (see Duncan, Russell, Magic).

As for Wilt, I give you 24/24/7.8/68%, 68 wins, championship. GOAT season.

Says it isnt about stats, then claims for Wilt it is about stats.

ISH in a nutshell.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wilt is an exception to the rule, unlike Lebron. Basically, because he owns the record book and had to go against those Celtics teams.

Anyway, this isn't about Wilt. It's just about how those other stats always come up in who should be ranked where in GOAT discussions, when doing whatever it takes to help your team win is what matters more (see Duncan, Russell, Magic).

As for Wilt, I give you 24/24/7.8/68%, 68 wins, championship. GOAT season.

"Not about stats, about rings" ... "Wait, for this guy it is about stats, not for this other guy, though"

..........


The stupidity of ISH.

Mods please, OP still isn't banned.

[Marchesk]

Relax, I was just joking about Lebron. This is more of a reaction to Duncan and Russell sometimes being underrated because they didn't always have the stats, but their teams were winning or contending every year. Same goes for Magic on occasion.

Some guys have the numbers, but their team doesn't go anywhere. Maybe their team just sucks, or maybe their numbers aren't really helping the team. Dantley might be an example of the latter, although he did seem to help the Pistons until he and Isiah started feuding.

Dantley for four years in a row on Utah averaged about 30.6 on around 57% (just eyeballing it), and Utah won 28, 25, 30 and then finally, 45 games.

His scoring was outstanding on high efficiency, which ISH just loves. But man did the Jazz blow for three of those years.

[BuffaloBill]

OP :applause:




In the end, winning is the only thing that really matters.



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[pauk]

Absolutely, but because this is a team sport & that is the greatest accomplishment a team can have, using that as #1 priority for valuating an individual player is faulty.... but using that to value a team/roster is very proper.... why? Because the best team will always win the championship, not the best individual player....

So does a championship matter at all for an individual players greatness? Absolutely, but in terms of only context...... what did the player do? what was his role? what did he have to work with around him? what was his competition? what type of talent was he? was he the best player on that team? was he the best player in the NBA? impact? productions? domination? talent/skill on both ends? leadership? etc.

Because of that, there can be twists, for a hypothetical example:

Player A averages 50-25-5 & takes the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals and loses in Game 7 against Player B beneath.

Player B averages 15-20-3 & takes the most stacked cast in NBA history to the Finals and wins.

So its up to you to decide who was better....

Rings are the most important to a team, but context, the substance, the journey is the most important to a player.

[Hoopz2332]

Says it isnt about stats, then claims for Wilt it is about stats.

ISH in a nutshell.


:oldlol: OP self ethered himself

[Lebron23]

Lebron is still better than Wilt. Lebron wins his 3rd Finals MVP next season. It's no longer a comparison. And LBJ is a superior player in the NBA finals, and playoffs.

[Marchesk]

And LBJ is a superior player in the NBA finals, and playoffs.

Not really.