Kobe's actually right on pace with jordan in shot attempts for points

[kennethgriffin]

shot attempts:
3. Michael Jordan* 24537
4. Kobe Bryant 24374

Points:
3. Michael Jordan* 32292
4. Kobe Bryant 31700



kobe is 163 shots behind jordan

going by kobes career field goal attempts per game average. he's on pace to pass jordan in 9 games


kobe is 592 points behind jordan

going by kobes career points per game average. he's on pace to pass jordan in 22 games




is that all that shooting 50% career vs 45% career means?

being 13-14 games ahead?

meh

[kennethgriffin]

btw just noticed i went from 8 red bars down to 1 red bar in the last few months


:cheers:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_8nAvU0T5Y#t=3m25s

[Prometheus]

btw just noticed i went from 8 red bars down to 1 red bar in the last few months


:cheers:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_8nAvU0T5Y#t=3m25s

Yeah only because we can't neg anymore you dumbass

[Milbuck]

btw just noticed i went from 8 red bars down to 1 red bar in the last few months


:cheers:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_8nAvU0T5Y#t=3m25s
Just put you in green lol

Also signed my rep as moe94.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So basically more longevity points for Kobe, who also has the most MISSED FG attempts in history.

The difference between sub 45 and 50% in a game per game basis matters, btw.

[kennethgriffin]

Damn I thought the gap would be bigger.. MJ overrated or is Kobe underrated? :eek: I'm going with the latter.


i guess shooting a ton of contested threes with horrible shot selection is what made up for everything.


and people said it was a weakness

but in reality

hit 34% of your shots behind the arc. and you score more than a guy making 50% of his shots from 2pt range





so in reality. those 5000 threes kobe took that dipped his field goal percentage were actually worth over 50% fg's worth of points

[kennethgriffin]

So basically more longevity points for Kobe, who also has the most MISSED FG attempts in history.

The difference between sub 45 and 50% in a game per game basis matters, btw.


no its not due to longevity

its a point per shot stat.


field goal% obviously doesnt matter if you hit thousands of more three pointers

the efficiency is nearly the same

:roll:

[SOD 21]

The true shooting percentage for Michael Jordan is 56.9 and Kobe Bryant is 55.5, so they are only separated by 1.4%. Their effective shooting percentage is Jordan at 51% and Kobe at 49% for two point fga's.

Their points per shot for their career are almost identical with a slight edge to Michael Jordan at 1.32 to Kobe's 1.30.

The main difference is that Jordan drove more to the basket and Kobe took about three more three-point field-goal attempts per game, which is why there's a bigger discrepancy in field-goal percentage. They went about scoring slightly differently.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This dude always tripping balls in every thread. Why can't you be more like DonDadda59? Learn to control you aggression and channel your energy towards something positive.
:confusedshrug:

All I'm providing is clarity, kiddo. Does that anger you?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

no its not due to longevity

its a point per shot stat.


field goal% obviously doesnt matter if you hit thousands of more three pointers

the efficiency is nearly the same

:roll:


Meh, anything with totals is amassed by longevity.

Kobe also has THE most missed shots in history. Nobody active is even on his radar. :eek:

[PistonsFan#21]

no its not due to longevity

its a point per shot stat.


field goal% obviously doesnt matter if you hit thousands of more three pointers

the efficiency is nearly the same

:roll:


I think he meant longetivity as in maintaining your peak play for a long period of time. Jordan's point per shot stat dropped some because of his below average season shooting with the Wizards in his late 30s/ early 40s.

Lets see Kobe stats in a few years when he turns 38-39 years old (if he can even manage to play that long)

[SOD 21]

I think he meant longetivity as in maintaining your peak play for a long period of time. Jordan's point per shot stat dropped some because of his below average season shooting with the Wizards in his late 30s/ early 40s.

Lets see Kobe stats in a few years when he turns 38-39 years old (if he can even manage to play that long)

Kobe Bryant already has more wear and tear on him from playing more seasons in the NBA and having played significantly more minutes than Michael Jordan in his career, not to mention having to overcome one of the most difficult injuries in sports.

[kennethgriffin]

The true shooting percentage for Michael Jordan is 56.9 and Kobe Bryant is 55.5, so they are only separated by 1.4%. Their effective shooting percentage is Jordan at 51% and Kobe at 49% for two point fga's.

Their points per shot for their career are almost identical with a slight edge to Michael Jordan at 1.32 to Kobe's 1.30.

The main difference is that Jordan drove more to the basket and Kobe took about three more three-point field-goal attempts per game, which is why there's a bigger discrepancy in field-goal percentage. They went about scoring slightly differently.


so in the end. jordan only averaged 4.5 more points cause he shot more 4 more times per game

and with kobes points per shot. even with 45% if he took the exact same shots per game as jordan. he would have averaged 30ppg ( or barely under that )


big deal MJ stans.

[dubeta]

What about comparing Kobe to LeBron? I'd wager LeBron will need much less attempts to surpass Kobe

Jordan in terns of ts% wasnt that impressive due to 2 point fgs, But LeBron is a better 3 point shooter than even Kobe. He made 41% last year and 38% this year.

Kobe typically needs 5 more shots a game to get the same points as LeBron, so when LeBron surpasses Kobe's totals I think he'll do it at like 1000-2000 less shots

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

See.. there you go again. DonDadda59 raised you better than that! Disappoint. :facepalm

What's the obsession w/ DonDadda? Did he boss you in your Kobe threads, too? :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

What about comparing Kobe to LeBron? I'd wager LeBron will need much less attempts to surpass Kobe

Jordan in terns of ts% wasnt that impressive due to 2 point fgs, But LeBron is a better 3 point shooter than even Kobe. He made 41% last year and 38% this year.

Kobe typically needs 5 more shots a game to get the same points as LeBron, so when LeBron surpasses Kobe's totals I think he'll do it at like 1000-2000 less shots

people always try comparing lebrons fg% and rebounding to kobe

how about comparing them to other power forwards ya bum

lebron scores 75% of his points in the paint


:roll:


7 rebounds per game for a 6-9, 260 pound beast with more power/speed/leaping ability than anyone in the nba

IS NOT GREAT

[dubeta]

people always try comparing lebrons fg% and rebounding to kobe

how about comparing them to other power forwards ya bum

lebron scores 75% of his points in the paint


:roll:


7 rebounds per game for a 6-9, 260 pound beast with more power/speed/leaping ability than anyone in the nba

IS NOT GREAT



Except you are wrong, he has the exact same body as Kobe :facepalm

He is the EXACT same size as LeBron

http://str8hoops.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/2008-nba-mvp-canidates-lebron-and-kobe.jpg


Kobe is 6'7, LeBron was listed as 6'7.25 coming in the league. LeBron is a whopping .25 inches taller than Kobe

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LeBron-James-2967/

Kobe and lebron both had the same physical advantages but Kobe still shoots 45% :facepalm

[SOD 21]

These are Kobe Bryant's numbers without Shaquille O'Neal from age 26 through 35 years old and also Michael Jordan from age 26 through his second retirement when he was 34 years old.

Jordan - 30.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.316 pps, 50.1% fg, 35.9% 3PT, 57.4% TS and 51.9% eFG.

Bryant - 28.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.314 pps, 45.4% fg, 33.8% 3PT, 56.0% TS and 49.2% eFG.

It is also worth mentioning that Michael Jordan's three-point percentage is somewhat inflated due to a shorter three-point line from 1995 through 1997 when he shot 40% on three-pointers for those three years. For the rest the years at the current distance, Michael Jordan shot 32.6% on three-point shots.

The shorter three-point line was nearly 2 feet closer than it is today for those three years referenced from 95 through 97.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dude, why you trying to smear DonDadda59's name like that? Again.. learn to relax.. perhaps meditate or have spacejam playing in the background while you post. Give it a shot.. :confusedshrug:

Dude that's the nth time you mentioned guy's username. You're approaching creeper status.

Tell us how he sonned you..

[Jlamb47]

Except you are wrong, he has the exact same body as Kobe :facepalm

He is the EXACT same size as LeBron

http://str8hoops.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/2008-nba-mvp-canidates-lebron-and-kobe.jpg


Kobe is 6'7, LeBron was listed as 6'7.25 coming in the league. LeBron is a whopping .25 inches taller than Kobe

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LeBron-James-2967/

Kobe and lebron both had the same physical advantages but Kobe still shoots 45% :facepalm

Lebron is 6'8 and Kobe is 6'6 and your stupid thats like Lebron rookie picture
hes hella bigger then that, and kobe lost weight 2 years back for his knees

kobe is like 6'6 210
lebron like 6'8 260

[kennethgriffin]

Except you are wrong, he has the exact same body as Kobe :facepalm

He is the EXACT same size as LeBron

http://str8hoops.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/2008-nba-mvp-canidates-lebron-and-kobe.jpg


Kobe is 6'7, LeBron was listed as 6'7.25 coming in the league. LeBron is a whopping .25 inches taller than Kobe

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LeBron-James-2967/

Kobe and lebron both had the same physical advantages but Kobe still shoots 45% :facepalm


http://i61.tinypic.com/o765b8.png

http://i59.tinypic.com/2yts6tc.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/smvnv8.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/2j5lhg.jpg



when lebron came in the league at 6-7. but he was 18 years old and grew an inch. maybe more

he's currently listed at

Listed height 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m)
Listed weight 250 lb (113 kg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James

but he's closer to 6-9 if hes nearly level with dwight



kobe is listed at

Listed height 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m)[a]
Listed weight 205 lb (93 kg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant


kobes wife measured him at 6-5

and in a side to side pic. its obvious lebron is much much bigger.

the only you have is a rookie lebron before he grew. and yet hes still a good 3 inches over kobe

http://i61.tinypic.com/o0s3ll.png

[ImKobe]

This thread got me http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjlol.png

Kobe haters taking a massive L

how you gonna defend this shit now


Kenneth on that January 2006 Kobe run http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/skip1.png with the recent threads

[Deuce Bigalow]

shot attempts:
3. Michael Jordan* 24537
4. Kobe Bryant 24374

Points:
3. Michael Jordan* 32292
4. Kobe Bryant 31700
Kobe :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not surprised that you're keeping count. :applause: DonDadda59 set the bar for you to look up to.. I hope you can attain that level of inner peace.

I'm pulling for ya dawg!

Another mention! Dios mio. That's gotta be a record, no?

[Cold soul]

shot attempts:
3. Michael Jordan* 24537
4. Kobe Bryant 24374

Points:
3. Michael Jordan* 32292
4. Kobe Bryant 31700



kobe is 163 shots behind jordan

going by kobes career field goal attempts per game average. he's on pace to pass jordan in 9 games


kobe is 592 points behind jordan

going by kobes career points per game average. he's on pace to pass jordan in 22 games




is that all that shooting 50% career vs 45% career means?

being 13-14 games ahead?

meh


Damn you're destroying the Kobe haters up in here with facts. :bowdown:

[dubeta]

btw, this thread proves that even though Kobe took less shot attempts than MJ, he STILL missed more?? :eek:

[kennethgriffin]

btw, this thread proves that even though Kobe took less shot attempts than MJ, he STILL missed more?? :eek:

it also proves that with context. field goal% means sweet f*ck all

[Deuce Bigalow]

So basically more longevity points for Kobe, who also has the most MISSED FG attempts in history.

The difference between sub 45 and 50% in a game per game basis matters, btw.
At the end of the day his points and fga are nearly the same as MJ's.

[#number6ix#]

Ken making some strong points... Repped

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You're becoming quite agitated here.. does mentioning his name upset you? What did he do to you? :confusedshrug:

You are a poorly constructed laughable joke. Amuse me some more :cheers: 

[moe94]

kenneth the GOAT Kobe stan

still terrifying

[Cold soul]

kenneth the GOAT Kobe stan

still terrifying

Well at least with this thread he backed it up with facts and stats. You can't hate on that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why you voiding the question dawg? Does it hurt you that much inside? Did he molest you? :eek:
:biggums:

If I said deuces, tell me truthfully, how would you feel?

[BigTicket]

Jordan's efficiency dropped quite a bit a the end of his career, especially those two years in Washington. We don't know yet if the same will happen to Kobe.

If you compare the two of them in their prime, the difference is a bit larger, though still not that drastic.

[GrapeApe]

Even if the points per attempt are similar, more missed shots result in more favorable opportunities for the other team. For example, a made shot eliminates the fast break. It also eliminates the risk of rebounding and loose ball fouls, both of which are more frequently called against the offensive team.

[tpols]

Even if the points per attempt are similar, more missed shots result in more favorable opportunities for the other team. For example, a made shot eliminates the fast break. It also eliminates the risk of rebounding and loose ball fouls, both of which are more frequently called against the offensive team.

And 3s can spread the floor making the defense open up, and they often turn momentum if theyre stringed together since theyre the fastest way to come back or break open a game(just ask the spurs).

Theyre also the hardest shot to read where its gonna come off the rim and they often come out long making it easier to get an offensive rebound.

[ArbitraryWater]

Just put you in green lol


http://ericamchapman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Scrubs-gif.gif

[sbw19]

FTs.

[GrapeApe]

And 3s can spread the floor making the defense open up, and they often turn momentum if theyre stringed together since theyre the fastest way to come back or break open a game(just ask the spurs).

Theyre also the hardest shot to read where its gonna come off the rim and they often come out long making it easier to get an offensive rebound.

I get what you're saying, but all things considered if the point totals and efg% are the same, I want the guy who misses fewer shots.

[kennethgriffin]

I get what you're saying, but all things considered if the point totals and efg% are the same, I want the guy who misses fewer shots.


kobe gets to the line more per shot attempt and makes up for his FG% with threes

in the end. kobes nearly just as efficient at scoring the basketball

[dubeta]

kobe gets to the line more per shot attempt and makes up for his FG% with threes

in the end. kobes nearly just as efficient at scoring the basketball

why cant the athletic freak of nature Kobe match unathletic LeBron's 65% TS?

[kennethgriffin]

why cant the athletic freak of nature Kobe match unathletic LeBron's 65% TS?

i buttf*cked this guy so bad in his shaq/decade thread that he completely lost his mind

:lol

[dubeta]

i buttf*cked this guy so bad in his shaq/decade thread that he completely lost his mind

:lol

LOL u mean dodge every question just to add your own BS


'Athlete of the Decade voted on by 95% kobetards!" :oldlol:

[Cali Syndicate]

Just looking at it as basic as possible, just for arguments sake, out of a 100 possessions, if MJ makes 50 baskets and Kobe makes 45 and essentially they score the same amount of points, doesn't Kobe still give the opposing team 5 more possessions than MJ which would ultimately lead to 4-6 points the other way?

Points per possession is basically on par, but I still would think higher raw fg% is more conducive to winning.

[GrapeApe]

kobe gets to the line more per shot attempt and makes up for his FG% with threes

in the end. kobes nearly just as efficient at scoring the basketball

You're missing my point. Even if two players have similar overall efficiency, a team is better off with the player who misses fewer shots.

[kennethgriffin]

LOL u mean dodge every question just to add your own BS


'Athlete of the Decade voted on by 95% kobetards!" :oldlol:

what questions?

any way you look at it kobe was the player of the decade

fan vote for tnt

media vote for sporting news, dime, S.I, espn


or stats / accomplishments

shaq from 2000-2009 = 23/10/2
shaq from 2001-2010 = 21/10/2

kobe from 2000-2009 = 28/6/5
kobe from 2001-2010 = 28/6/5


shaq from 2000-2009 =


1999-00 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)


kobe from 2000-2009 =

1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)


shaq from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)


kobe from 2001 to 2010

2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)




shaq from 2000 to 2009

1999-00 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1999-00 NBA Champion
1999-00 NBA Finals MVP
1999-00 NBA MVP
2000-01 NBA Finals MVP
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA Finals MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP


kobe from 2000 to 2009

1999-00 NBA Champion
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA Finals
2006-07 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2006-07 Gold Medal
2007-08 NBA MVP
2007-08 NBA Finals
2007-08 Gold Medal
2007-08 Gold Medal Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA Finals MVP
2008-09 NBA Champion


shaq from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA Finals MVP
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA Finals MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2003-04 NBA Champion
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP


kobe from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA Finals
2006-07 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2006-07 Gold Medal
2007-08 NBA MVP
2007-08 NBA Finals
2007-08 Gold Medal
2007-08 Gold Medal Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA Finals MVP
2008-09 NBA Champion
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 NBA Champion




Shaq from 2000-2009, 2001-2010 ( UNKNOWN )

but this is Shaqs entire career

40 point games = 49
50 point games = 1
60 point games = 1
70 point games = 0
80 point games = 0

before scoring 60 once. shaq never scored over 50


Kobe Bryant from 2000-2009

40 point games = 91
50 point games = 24
60 point games = 5
70 point games = 1
80 point games = 1

Kobe from 2001-2010

40 point games = 96
50 point games = 24
60 point games = 5
70 point games = 1
80 point games = 1






either way you look at it.. from 2000 to 2009 or 2009 to 2010

kobe comes out on top in every single way

[abdubaba]

what questions?

any way you look at it kobe was the player of the decade

fan vote for tnt

media vote for sporting news, dime, S.I, espn


or stats / accomplishments

shaq from 2000-2009 = 23/10/2
shaq from 2001-2010 = 21/10/2

kobe from 2000-2009 = 28/6/5
kobe from 2001-2010 = 28/6/5


shaq from 2000-2009 =


1999-00 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)


kobe from 2000-2009 =

1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)


shaq from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)


kobe from 2001 to 2010

2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)




shaq from 2000 to 2009

1999-00 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1999-00 NBA Champion
1999-00 NBA Finals MVP
1999-00 NBA MVP
2000-01 NBA Finals MVP
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA Finals MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP


kobe from 2000 to 2009

1999-00 NBA Champion
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA Finals
2006-07 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2006-07 Gold Medal
2007-08 NBA MVP
2007-08 NBA Finals
2007-08 Gold Medal
2007-08 Gold Medal Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA Finals MVP
2008-09 NBA Champion


shaq from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA Finals MVP
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA Finals MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2003-04 NBA Champion
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP


kobe from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA Finals
2006-07 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2006-07 Gold Medal
2007-08 NBA MVP
2007-08 NBA Finals
2007-08 Gold Medal
2007-08 Gold Medal Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA Finals MVP
2008-09 NBA Champion
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 NBA Champion




Shaq from 2000-2009, 2001-2010 ( UNKNOWN )

but this is Shaqs entire career

40 point games = 49
50 point games = 1
60 point games = 1
70 point games = 0
80 point games = 0

before scoring 60 once. shaq never scored over 50


Kobe Bryant from 2000-2009

40 point games = 91
50 point games = 24
60 point games = 5
70 point games = 1
80 point games = 1

Kobe from 2001-2010

40 point games = 96
50 point games = 24
60 point games = 5
70 point games = 1
80 point games = 1






either way you look at it.. from 2000 to 2009 or 2009 to 2010

kobe comes out on top in every single way

Damn. FACTS

[Asukal]

Looking at the data:

MJ attempts about 3 more FGA per game than Kobe. This would mean he expends a bit more energy per game in scoring than Kobe. 3 more is nothing you say? Well Jordan also spends more energy in playing both offense and defense than Kobe. In 173 less games played than Kobe, Jordan has 71 more rebounds, 273 more blocks, and 679 more steals. Not to mention he also has more points. :rolleyes:

Yah Kobe is almost as efficient as MJ in points to FGA ratio but he does a helluva a lot less in a game than MJ. Kobe is great, top 10 all time, but he is not on the GOAT's level. :kobe: :oldlol:

[Round Mound]

Another MJ vs Kobe Thread :facepalm :rolleyes:

Why Is MJ`s PER So Much Higher Than Kobe`s?

[Prometheus]

what questions?

any way you look at it kobe was the player of the decade

fan vote for tnt

media vote for sporting news, dime, S.I, espn


or stats / accomplishments

shaq from 2000-2009 = 23/10/2
shaq from 2001-2010 = 21/10/2

kobe from 2000-2009 = 28/6/5
kobe from 2001-2010 = 28/6/5


shaq from 2000-2009 =


1999-00 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)


kobe from 2000-2009 =

1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)


shaq from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)


kobe from 2001 to 2010

2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)




shaq from 2000 to 2009

1999-00 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1999-00 NBA Champion
1999-00 NBA Finals MVP
1999-00 NBA MVP
2000-01 NBA Finals MVP
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA Finals MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP


kobe from 2000 to 2009

1999-00 NBA Champion
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA Finals
2006-07 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2006-07 Gold Medal
2007-08 NBA MVP
2007-08 NBA Finals
2007-08 Gold Medal
2007-08 Gold Medal Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA Finals MVP
2008-09 NBA Champion


shaq from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA Finals MVP
2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA Finals MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2003-04 NBA Champion
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP


kobe from 2001 to 2010

2000-01 NBA Champion
2001-02 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA Champion
2003-04 NBA Finals
2006-07 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2006-07 Gold Medal
2007-08 NBA MVP
2007-08 NBA Finals
2007-08 Gold Medal
2007-08 Gold Medal Game MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA Finals MVP
2008-09 NBA Champion
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 NBA Champion




Shaq from 2000-2009, 2001-2010 ( UNKNOWN )

but this is Shaqs entire career

40 point games = 49
50 point games = 1
60 point games = 1
70 point games = 0
80 point games = 0

before scoring 60 once. shaq never scored over 50


Kobe Bryant from 2000-2009

40 point games = 91
50 point games = 24
60 point games = 5
70 point games = 1
80 point games = 1

Kobe from 2001-2010

40 point games = 96
50 point games = 24
60 point games = 5
70 point games = 1
80 point games = 1






either way you look at it.. from 2000 to 2009 or 2009 to 2010

kobe comes out on top in every single way

So you're saying the appropriate criteria for comparing the greatness of basketball players are:

fan votes
media awards
elementary PPG/RPG/APG statistics
team success with no regard for context
and 40+ point games

and you think to even include something like All Star Game MVP





:wtf:

...damn, it's almost like when people derisively say "ISH in a nutshell"... they're really just talking about this guy.

[Prometheus]

kenneth the GOAT Kobe stan

still terrifying

He's got better consistency and longevity, but I'll take peak 9er over peak kenneth any day.

[kennethgriffin]

So you're saying the appropriate criteria for comparing the greatness of basketball players are:

fan votes
media votes
media awards
coach voted awards
PPG/RPG/APG statistics
team success
40+ point games
50+ point games
60+ point games
80+ point games





yeah


:confusedshrug:


why? is your opinion more validating?

[dubeta]

yeah


:confusedshrug:


why? is your opinion more validating?



better than the millions of drooling kobetards who blindly vote for Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

better than the millions of drooling kobetards who blindly vote for Kobe

the media voted for kobe in all major outlets

and theyre the same guys who snubbed kobe for mvps and drool over lebron nonstop

theyre literally the same guys handing over awards to lebron that people like you charish

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


so much hypocrisy

[dubeta]

the media voted for kobe in all major outlets

and theyre the same guys who snubbed kobe for mvps and drool over lebron nonstop

theyre literally the same guys handing over awards to lebron that people like you charish

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


so much hypocrisy

We already talked about this :facepalm

difference between voting for a season, and voting for a decade

When you vote for a decade, you are more biased to the end of the decade.

If you're voting in 2010 right after Kobe wins a ring, you're going to focus more on that than what shaq did in the early 2000's

Either way you spin it 4 rings 3 FMVP >> 4 rings 1 FMVP

[9erempiree]

I already know this argument. Kobe and MJ are basically the same but I will give the slight edge to Kobe. Props to Griff Money for bringing this topic up on ISH. The kids need to know this.

That is why I don't take FG% seriously nor does it mean one player is better than the other, like most ISHers want to declare.

Example:

Jordan makes 5 out of 10 shots for 10 points at 50% clip....people love this stat....

NOW....

It took MJ 10 shots to score 10 points though.


...because it is Jordan nobody wants to mention the latter but praises the former because of percentage.:facepalm

[dreamwarrior]

It's the 3 pointer. Ray Allen and Reggie Miller score more points per shot than Jordan or Kobe. In fact I think Ray Allen is #1 all time in points per shot.

[iamgine]

There's also the effect of the rule change in 04-05.

Kobe's TS% in the playoff before the rule change hasn't been that good despite having Shaq as a teammate.

Yet, after the rule change, suddenly he's having TS% career highs in the playoff for 5 straight seasons.

[9erempiree]

The fact of the matter is, if this was a debate class or a research paper stating that Kobe is on pace with MJ, the facts that Griff Money brought up will conclude this.

Therefore, with that being said, and the many accomplishments Kobe achieved throughout his career, it is not hard to say that he is equal or better than Jordan. You would have to do a whole lot of convincing to say otherwise.

[INDI]

I've been saying for a long time that the difference between 50% fg and 45% fg is just 1 extra missed shot (10/20 vs 9/20). Add to the fact that Kobe took tons of shot with 3 seconds or less on the clock, and you'll recognize that his fg percent was really not that bad.

I'm willing to bet that out of every player in nba history that has attempted a shot with 3 seconds or less on the clock, Kobe is the alltime leader.

Anyone know where I can look this up at?

[ArbitraryWater]

I've been saying for a long time that the difference between 50% fg and 45% fg is just 1 extra missed shot (10/20 vs 9/20). Add to the fact that Kobe took tons of shot with 3 seconds or less on the clock, and you'll recognize that his fg percent was really not that bad.

I'm willing to bet that out of every player in nba history that has attempted a shot with 3 seconds or less on the clock, Kobe is the alltime leader.

Anyone know where I can look this up at?

Can't say it like that... It's really 2 shots.

One more make AND one less miss...

[riseagainst]

There's also the effect of the rule change in 04-05.

Kobe's TS% in the playoff before the rule change hasn't been that good despite having Shaq as a teammate.

Yet, after the rule change, suddenly he's having TS% career highs in the playoff for 5 straight seasons.

he couldn't have just became a better player?

[OldSchoolBBall]

I'm willing to bet that out of every player in nba history that has attempted a shot with 3 seconds or less on the clock, Kobe is the alltime leader.

Anyone know where I can look this up at?

My ass. Jordan took more end of clock shots than anyone in history by a large margin.

[Da_Realist]

Can't say it like that... It's really 2 shots.

One more make AND one less miss...

And 200 additional games.

The discrepancy would have been much larger if MJ hadn't missed three high-percentage seasons in the middle of his career. Kobe might have needed 400 more games. MJ at his best was shooting 54%.

[sportjames23]

And 200 additional games.

The discrepancy would have been much larger if MJ hadn't missed three high-percentage seasons in the middle of his career. Kobe might have needed 400 more games. MJ at his best was shooting 54%.


Could you imagine if MJ didn't miss those seasons? He'd have been real close to Kareem's all-time scoring record.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And 200 additional games.

The discrepancy would have been much larger if MJ hadn't missed three high-percentage seasons in the middle of his career. Kobe might have needed 400 more games. MJ at his best was shooting 54%.

Or you can look at their G2G shooting percentages.

Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623

Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317

Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192

Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97

I believe these were last updated the year before Kobe tore his achilles. Pretty telling stuff.

[ArbitraryWater]

And 200 additional games.

The discrepancy would have been much larger if MJ hadn't missed three high-percentage seasons in the middle of his career. Kobe might have needed 400 more games. MJ at his best was shooting 54%.

And also, it's a horribly flawed way of breaking down scoring efficiency.. lol at "13 games"

Regular season
2013: Kobe takes 241 more shots, Kobe scored 97 more points
2012: Kobe takes 167 more shots, LeBron scored 67 more points
2011: Kobe took 154 more shots, LeBron scored 33 more points
2010: Kobe took 41 more shots, LeBron scored 288 more points
2009: Kobe took 99 more shots, LeBron scored 103 more points


Check out 2009 and 2010, MJ shot higher than LeBron did those years, AND on larger volume/points... The difference between Kobe and MJ would be even bigger.



Post from 2013: (When LeBron started his 30ppg/60+% streak)

Here are some Facts about the Top 5 Scorers in the League right now:

If Kevin Durant goes 75/75 from the field on his next 75 shots, LeBron would still have a higher FG%.

If Carmelo Anthony goes 200/200 from the field on his next 200 shots, LeBron would still have a higher FG%.

If Kobe Bryant goes 100/100 from the field on his next 100 shots, LeBron would still have a higher FG%

If James Harden goes 100/100 from the Field on his next 100 shots, LeBron would still have a higher FG%

+
LeBron increased his FG% in the paint to 78% last night.

The last player to have a 78% FG% in the paint? Shaquille O'Neal in 2000-2001 season. Take in consider that we are comparing a Center to a Small Forward. No Small Forward has ever posted close to 78% in the paint.

- LeBron can only drive?

FG% of outside of the Paint of the Top 5 Scorers in the League:

LeBron James - 42%
Carmelo Anthony - 42%
Kobe Bryant - 40%
Kevin Durant - 45%
James Harden - 35%


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The difference is HUGE.