LeBron's Vertical Revealed [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 09:06 PM

On Tuesday, though, James and Nike were very much on the same page, showing off the new, neon-colored LeBron 12, engineered with a hexagonal sole in place of the waffle pattern that defined Nike's early running shoes.

"The new technology is lightweight," James said. "It allows me to explode. When I'm landing it allows me to absorb the landing."

Nike said a player landing after a 32-inch vertical leap (James has a 40-inch vertical) can create force 10 times that of the athlete's body weight. The company boasts that its hexagonal pattern, on a sole composed of air and fiber, distributes that impact.

http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2014/09/lebron_12_nike_lebron_james.html

navy

09-23-2014, 09:07 PM

I dont think James has a 40 inch vertical anymore. 2009? Yeah.

Cocaine80s

09-23-2014, 09:29 PM

I dont think James has a 40 inch vertical anymore. 2009? Yeah.
http://cjzero.com/gifs/LeBronAlleyOopHeadRim.gif

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lebron-james-hits-head-on-rin-dunk-570x720.jpg

G-train

09-23-2014, 09:31 PM

I dont think James has a 40 inch vertical anymore. 2009? Yeah.

He had plays last season where he was getting up as much as ever.

pauk

09-23-2014, 09:33 PM

I dont think James has a 40 inch vertical anymore. 2009? Yeah.

44" is his measured vertical to be exact & 2009-10 was his vertical peak imo, thats where he flied like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX990fnB6i8

NBA/draft-combine seem to highlight the max vertical for players (takeoff) as their main vertical, not standing vertical.

40" at this moment is believable, with other words, he has lost a bit of athleticism.... :P

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 09:49 PM

navy

09-23-2014, 09:52 PM

Alright, I concede.

G0ATbe

09-23-2014, 09:53 PM

...44"?
http://cjzero.com/gifs/KobeFacepalmPinchNose.gif

dubeta

09-23-2014, 09:57 PM

Peak 48" confirmed

http://i50.tinypic.com/29nxrsy.png

Right now its 41"-42"

FYI Dwight Howards MAX vert was only 38", Derrick Rose's max was only 40"

Heck Blake Griffin only has a 37" vert

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 09:58 PM

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 10:01 PM

That's around 40....damn sure isn't close to 48:roll:

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 10:03 PM

Height of rim = 120 inches

6-8= 80 inches.

6-8 player needs 40 inches to get head at rim.

dubeta

09-23-2014, 10:03 PM

Don't use a crap angle like that:roll: I see why your loaded up with red bars.

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1.png

LeBron's 6'8 right?

So if his head is 6-7 inches over the 10 foot rim then thats 46-47 inches right?

my bad just an inch shorter than 48" :sleeping

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 10:05 PM

TheTruth11

09-23-2014, 10:07 PM

Peak 48" confirmed

http://i50.tinypic.com/29nxrsy.png

Right now its 41"-42"

FYI Dwight Howards MAX vert was only 38", Derrick Rose's max was only 40"

Heck Blake Griffin only has a 37" vert

DRose has about a 44" inch vertical with adrenaline running. Just last year he said that he was regularly testing out at 43" on his vert.

I believe Bron can get up to 44" as well with adrenaline. His regular measurement (no adrenaline) is probably somewhere around 40".

Combine numbers are often less impressive than game numbers. Dudes often go higher and run faster during a game.

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dubeta

09-23-2014, 10:08 PM

He's not 6-7 inches over the rim in that....:facepalm

I know it may be hard for you to see little boy, but look at the top of his head, the black hair is hard to see in the image. The top of it is 6-7 inches above the rim, about halfway up the square on the backboard :sleeping

dubeta

09-23-2014, 10:11 PM

DRose has about a 44" inch vertical with adrenaline running. Just last year he said that he was regularly testing out at 43" on his vert.

I believe Bron can get up to 44" as well with adrenaline. His regular measurement (no adrenaline) is probably somewhere around 40".

Combine numbers are often less impressive than game numbers. Dudes often go higher and run faster during a game.

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If Derrick Rose had a 44" vert then he would have had at least 1 dunk where his head is 1 inch away from the rim. 44" + his 6'3 height is 9'11 (1 inch from the rim)

This is the best I can find

http://media.nbcchicago.com/images/620*349/DRose+Dunk.jpg
He is clearly 5-6 inches under the rim

Unless I can find a higher pic than that

pauk

09-23-2014, 10:21 PM

Lebrons length - 6'8" (203 cm)
+
Vertical - 40" (102 cm)
=
10' (305 cm)

Which means the top of his head should be able to reach 10' (305 cm)....

..and Lebron can confirm that here:

http://cdn.niketalk.com/e/eb/900x900px-LL-ebc23795_bronrim.jpeg

Burgz V2

09-23-2014, 10:29 PM

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lebron-james-hits-head-on-rin-dunk-570x720.jpg

for the miles on his body, that is pretty damn impressive.

oarabbus

09-23-2014, 10:45 PM

http://cdn.niketalk.com/e/eb/900x900px-LL-ebc23795_bronrim.jpeg

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1.png

:applause: I was skeptical but LeBron has a MINIMUM 40" vert, it's very clear. Let's see the Bron haters try to explain away this one :lol

dubeta

09-23-2014, 10:47 PM

http://cdn.niketalk.com/e/eb/900x900px-LL-ebc23795_bronrim.jpeg

:applause: I was skeptical but LeBron has a MINIMUM 40" vert, it's very clear. Let's see the Bron haters try to explain away this one :lol

'B-but but Kobe could jump higher he just doesnt want to risk hitting his head on the rim'

pauk

09-23-2014, 10:50 PM

Lebrons length - 6'8" (203 cm)
+
Peak measured Vertical - 44" (112 cm)
=
10'4" (315 cm)

Which means the top of his head should be able to reach 10'4" (315 cm)....
Which means the top of his head should be able to reach 4" (10 cm) above the ring....
Which means he should be almost eye level with the rim....

...and Lebron can confirm that one with this one:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1_zps9b656c0a.png

The angle is very horizontal, the rim in line, no angle problems here, he is right next to the rim / not closer to the camera than the rim is.... so as you can see, he is at the very least 4" inches above here, probably more like 5" or arguably even 6" (?)..... which means he reached more like a 45"-46" vertical here........

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 10:53 PM

Lebrons length - 6'8" (203 cm)
+
Peak measured Vertical - 44" (112 cm)
=
10'4" (315 cm)

Which means the top of his head should be able to reach 10'4" (315 cm)....
Which means the top of his head should be able to reach 4" (10 cm) above the ring....
Which means he should be almost eye level with the rim....

...and Lebron can confirm that one with this one:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1_zps9b656c0a.png

As you can see, he is at the very least 4" inches above here, probably more like 5" or arguably even 6"..... which means he reached more like a 45"-46" vertical here........

1. Show us PROOF he was measured at 44.

2. That is NOT 4 inches above the rim. Do you know how big 4 inches is? It's 1-2 max. even then there's the angle, headband.

dubeta

09-23-2014, 10:56 PM

1. Show us PROOF he was measured at 44.

2. That is NOT 4 inches above the rim. Do you know how big 4 inches is? It's 1-2 max. even then there's the angle, headband.

this nikka salty :lol

Warfan

09-23-2014, 11:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TgeRscNvAk

40.3 inches

Milbuck

09-23-2014, 11:01 PM

'B-but but Kobe could jump higher he just doesnt want to risk hitting his head on the rim'
When has anyone ever said this?

If anything, Kobe trolls try to use Kobe's inferior athleticism to MJ/Bron to prop him up..

pauk

09-23-2014, 11:04 PM

1. Show us PROOF he was measured at 44.

2. That is NOT 4 inches above the rim. Do you know how big 4 inches is? It's 1-2 max. even then there's the angle, headband.

1. Besides all the pre-draft measurements / scouting reports? (which is not enough "proof").... the actual PROOF is right up there.

2. 1 inch is 2.5 cm.... 2.5 cm over the rim is like only his hair/headband being over the rim.... You are crazy, this is much more than 1-2, like half his head is up there and a normal head is: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YG2QBG_vKsk/UN8t8apIsEI/AAAAAAAAAnc/nLBTf3-JSBM/s1600/ChinMeasurement.jpg

3. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that angle, its perfectly horizontal, the rim in line & he is right next to the rim / not closer to the camera than the rim is..

You are confusing Lebron's head with a goomba

http://comicattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/goomba.bmp

DatAsh

09-23-2014, 11:05 PM

Lebrons length - 6'8" (203 cm)
+
Peak measured Vertical - 44" (112 cm)
=
10'4" (315 cm)

Which means the top of his head should be able to reach 10'4" (315 cm)....
Which means the top of his head should be able to reach 4" (10 cm) above the ring....
Which means he should be almost eye level with the rim....

...and Lebron can confirm that one with this one:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1_zps9b656c0a.png
The angle is very horizontal, the rim in line, no angle problems here, he is right next to the rim / not closer to the camera than the rim is.... so as you can see, he is at the very least 4" inches above here, probably more like 5" or arguably even 6" (?)..... which means he reached more like a 45"-46" vertical here........

Angle is pretty terrible on that pic. First one is good though, pretty solid proof of 40+ vertical imo.

oarabbus

09-23-2014, 11:08 PM

1. Show us PROOF he was measured at 44.

2. That is NOT 4 inches above the rim. Do you know how big 4 inches is? It's 1-2 max. even then there's the angle, headband.

You aren't going to get any proof. It's not like there's a peer-reviewed study on Bron's vert, and like was mentioned, the highest verts are in the heat of the moment, not at the combine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCAskM65N4

Looks like 3" at least, reasonably.

And another angle of his other dunk

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51adfaeaecad04fd2a00000d-650-975/lebron-james-jumps-high-dunk.jpg
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2715229/lebronoop4.gif

then there's this one, if anyone can find the vid let me know

http://www.crabdribbles.com/wp-content/uploads/lebron-alley-oop.jpg

SamuraiSWISH

09-23-2014, 11:11 PM

MJ - 48 inch vert
LeBron - 44 inch vert
D. Rose - 44 inch vert
Kobe - 38 inch vert

pauk

09-23-2014, 11:16 PM

Angle is pretty terrible on that pic. First one is good though, pretty solid proof of 40+ vertical imo.

I cant seem to see what you and eliteballer are seeing.... i see the most perfect angle ever, very horizontal, the rim in perfect line AND he is right next beside the rim (not closer to the camera than the rim is)..

That first pic/camera angle you are talking about is actually nowhere near as good as this one, looking at the rim/ring not being in perfect line you can see the diagonal direction from where the shot was taken. The only reason that picture is legit is because his head is so literally next to the rim...

dubeta

09-23-2014, 11:16 PM

MJ - 48 inch vert
LeBron - 44 inch vert
D. Rose - 44 inch vert
Kobe - 38 inch vert

Unless you have proof of Jordan's neck above the rim I cant see that

eliteballer

09-23-2014, 11:17 PM

MJ - 48 inch vert
LeBron - 44 inch vert
D. Rose - 44 inch vert
Kobe - 38 inch vert

:roll: Show me ONE picture of MJ's head OVER the rim(even barely) to show his vert was even over 40, let alone 44, or 45.....or 48:roll:

oarabbus

09-23-2014, 11:22 PM

http://i.imgur.com/nk1C6.png

TheTruth11

09-24-2014, 12:24 AM

If Derrick Rose had a 44" vert then he would have had at least 1 dunk where his head is 1 inch away from the rim. 44" + his 6'3 height is 9'11 (1 inch from the rim)

This is the best I can find

http://media.nbcchicago.com/images/620*349/DRose+Dunk.jpg
He is clearly 5-6 inches under the rim

Unless I can find a higher pic than that

Lol. He is on his way down on that pick. Rose measured a little over 6"1 1/2" in bare feet. Probably a little over 6'2" with shoes. He regularly dunks with his head at close to rim level. Do the math.

Moreover, if the guy was measured with a 40" inch vert as a 19/20 year at a camp, what makes you think he can't get any higher than that with adrenaline? Athletes do it all the time. That's why guys shatter records at the Olympics every year - far exceeding their best marks from practice - they elevate their level of athleticism due to adrenaline.

Just a sample for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3FaCBYp2-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30

Even as a yungsta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQvTABMutyw

Like I previously said, last year he said he regularly tested out at 42/43 inches in his most recent vertical tests. Thus it is highly likely that he also gets up as high as 44inches (just 1 inch higher) during game action.

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pauk

09-24-2014, 12:42 AM

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 12:50 AM

44" is his measured vertical to be exact & 2009-10 was his vertical peak imo, thats where he flied like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX990fnB6i8

NBA/draft-combine seem to highlight the max vertical for players (takeoff) as their main vertical, not standing vertical.

40" at this moment is believable, with other words, he has lost a bit of athleticism.... :P
I'm more inclined to believe the 40.xx figures have been typical throughout his career. Isn't there a several-years-old Nike commercial that states his vertical was 40 inches and a few decimal points? During Lebron's athletic "peak"?

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 12:51 AM

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 12:54 AM

Cross-court cams.

All you guys have is cross court-cam shots. Know why? Because cross-court cam shots are inherently misleading. The subject is always just slightly closer to the camera than the rim. Therefore they appear slightly bigger and more elevated. It is in fact a misleading angle, no matter how much pauk swears it isn't :D

dubeta

09-24-2014, 12:56 AM

I'm more inclined to believe the 40.xx figures have been typical throughout his career. Isn't there a several-years-old Nike commercial that states his vertical was 40 inches and a few decimal points? During Lebron's athletic "peak"?

When I saw your name in the recent posts, I thought it would be something about how Wilt had a 65+ inch vert and some BS grainy pics as proof :lol

kennethgriffin

09-24-2014, 12:59 AM

lebron can get his head at the rim

a 10 foot net is 120 inches

lebrons 80 inches tall ( 6 foot 8 )

120 minus 80 = 40 inch virt

big deal. allot of guys have that

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 12:59 AM

When I saw your name in the recent posts, I thought it would be something about how Wilt had a 65+ inch vert and some BS grainy pics as proof :lol
:lol nah i'm just here to be the voice of reason.

I do believe Lebron has a 40.xx inch vertical though. Multiple sources, and I do believe his head has gotten rim level or nearly so a couple of times despite a few angles being misleading. There's a few video clips from several different angles that confirm. 44? Put me in the extreme skepticism group. The only evidence of this is anecdotal at best (and are outnumbered by more solid 40 inch sources) and all the angles that show his head/eyes "above" rim are not convincing enough (cross-court shots).

pauk

09-24-2014, 01:01 AM

Rose...

Height - 6'3" - (191 cm)
+
Vertical - 44" - (112 cm)
=
9'11" - 10' (303 cm)

Meaning, the top of his head/hair should be able to graze or touch the lower part of the ring.

Never seen him that high, have you? 40" however, seen him maybe go there, 42" at the very extreme top....

"I think coming into the league I was at 37 [inches vertical jump] and they tested my vertical at [a training facility], I'm probably at like a 42 [inches], so I'm jumping a little bit higher."
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9779719/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-says-vertical-leap-five-inches-higher-surgery

dubeta

09-24-2014, 01:03 AM

:lol nah i'm just here to be the voice of reason.

I do believe Lebron has a 40.xx inch vertical though. Multiple sources, and I do believe his head has gotten rim level or nearly so a couple of times despite a few angles being misleading. There's a few video clips from several different angles that confirm. 44? Put me in the extreme skepticism group. The only evidence of this is anecdotal at best (and are outnumbered by more solid 40 inch sources) and all the angles that show his head/eyes "above" rim are not convincing enough (cross-court shots).

This wasnt enough bro?

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1.png

I mean, this looks like a legit 46" vertical

And his body was parallel with the rim, he wasnt closer to the camera, there are other angles to support this

imo this is a confirmed 44" minimum

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 01:04 AM

This wasnt enough bro?

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1.png

I mean, this looks like a legit 46" vertical

And his body was parallel with the rim, he wasnt closer to the camera, there are other angles to support this

imo this is a confirmed 44" minimum
That's exactly the problem. It's a cross court cam, cross court camera angles are not convincing evidence at all. He's closer to the camera than the rim is. So he appears larger and on a higher plane. It is an optical illusion.

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 01:09 AM

When I saw your name in the recent posts, I thought it would be something about how Wilt had a 65+ inch vert and some BS grainy pics as proof

52 inch, no need to exaggerate.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QF8yJ1J1W7Q/maxresdefault.jpg

Cocaine80s

09-24-2014, 01:09 AM

That's exactly the problem. It's a cross court cam, cross court camera angles are not convincing evidence at all. He's closer to the camera than the rim is. So he appears larger and on a higher plane. It is an optical illusion.
hes actually further back than the rim...

hes probably right where the backboard is or slightly behind it.

pauk

09-24-2014, 01:12 AM

That's exactly the problem. It's a cross court cam, cross court camera angles are not convincing evidence at all. He's closer to the camera than the rim is. So he appears larger and on a higher plane. It is an optical illusion.

Look at it from any angle you wish, it no optical illusion, its no rocket science to evaluate that the top of his head was VERY clearly above the rim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX990fnB6i8

Come on man, if he just raised his chin up a bit he could have decapitated himself :P

SamuraiSWISH

09-24-2014, 01:12 AM

http://i.imgur.com/nk1C6.png
:biggums:

Air Superiority

dubeta

09-24-2014, 01:15 AM

52 inch, no need to exaggerate.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QF8yJ1J1W7Q/maxresdefault.jpg

That pic is so grainy I could pass it off as Steve Nash 52 inch vert confirmed :oldlol:

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 01:17 AM

Look at it from any angle you wish, it no optical illusion, its no rocket science to evaluate that the top of his head was VERY clearly above the rim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX990fnB6i8

Come on man, if he just raised his chin up a bit he could have decapitated himself :P
Nah, his head looks like it might have been rim level, the other angles don't reveal his head to be above the rim at all. The cross court cam sells at as greater than it really is. The cross-court camera angle has been selectively used for the past few decades for that very purpose. That camera angle was discovered and exists to replay dunks and athletic aerial plays for that very reason of optical distortion.

dubeta

09-24-2014, 01:19 AM

Nah, his head looks like it might have been rim level, the other angles don't reveal his head to be above the rim at all. The cross court cam sells at as greater than it really is. The cross-court camera angle has been selectively used for the past few decades for that very purpose. That camera angle was discovered and exists to replay dunks and athletic aerial plays for that very reason of optical distortion.

Wow, thats actually insightful :cheers:

tell me the optical illusions here pls

http://bballsml.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/lebron-dunk.jpg

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 01:20 AM

Wow, thats actually insightful :cheers:

tell me the optical illusions here pls

http://bballsml.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/lebron-dunk.jpg
Break-away rim. His head is rim level, not more. Look at the back of the rim (the part that didn't break-and drop). Again, I already said I think his head can get rim level. I just don't think he goes above it.

*EDIT*
for example look at the top of his head in relation to the stripes on the american flag on the backboard... if you painted an imaginary line of the stripes on the flag across to the rim you could see he's at rim level. - Spectacular leaper, but I've never been convinced he got above the rim (yet). I just tend to think (all) NBA players verticals get exaggerated, not just Lebrons.

kennethgriffin

09-24-2014, 01:25 AM

52 inch, no need to exaggerate.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QF8yJ1J1W7Q/maxresdefault.jpg

if wilt could jump 52 inches.

7 foot 1 is 85 inches

a rim is 120 inches high

which would be 17 inches over the rim.

basically meaning wilt could get his entire head, neck all the way up to his shoulders over the rim

:lol :roll:

pauk

09-24-2014, 01:25 AM

How bout this?

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/images.jpg

Smook A.

09-24-2014, 01:30 AM

How bout this?

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/images.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U708niC.jpg

LeBron's head is barely above rim-level in that pic ^

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 01:32 AM

if wilt could jump 52 inches.

7 foot 1 is 85 inches

a rim is 120 inches high

which would be 17 inches over the rim.

basically meaning wilt could get his entire head, neck all the way up to his shoulders over the rim

I was joking around with Dubetta, but if you've seen the video of this play where Cavs colors in Wilt, the rim and the top of the backboard, you can see that Wilt's left armpit is basically at rim level.

Wilt probably could touch to the top of the backboard, so whatever that amounts to for his vertical.

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 01:37 AM

http://i.imgur.com/CkrUxvI.jpg

As you can clearly see, the red line goes from the back of the rim to intersecting Wilt's armpit.

Cocaine80s

09-24-2014, 01:38 AM

http://i.imgur.com/U708niC.jpg

LeBron's head is barely above rim-level in that pic ^
hes also doing the ****ing limbo mid air :lol

if his head was straight it would be above rim

Cocaine80s

09-24-2014, 01:38 AM

http://i.imgur.com/CkrUxvI.jpg

As you can clearly see, the red line goes from the back of the rim, intersecting Wilt's armpit.
thats the shittiest pic ever

wilt's upper body literally becomes blackness :oldlol:

and the rim isnt even visible lmfao

pauk

09-24-2014, 01:39 AM

How about..... this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWi8Ds2RoE4

Pause at 0:25-0:26

:lol

Nah, but the angle of that previous pic (where he is clearly above), nothing wrong with it.

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 01:43 AM

wilt's upper body literally becomes blackness

reported for racism

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 01:45 AM

http://i.imgur.com/yZq9rRR.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

3ball

09-24-2014, 01:48 AM

MJ....

Height - 6'6" (198 cm)
+
Vertical - 48" (123 cm)
=
10'6" - 10'7" (319-322 cm)

Meaning, almost his entire head would need to be over the rim, kindof almost touching the rim with his chin. (Average head length is approximately 9' inches (http://snippets.com/what-is-the-average-size-of-a-human-head.htm))

MJ had a nice vertical, however 48" is just myth... that would be true only if he was around 5'11-6'0"...

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg....http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif

Look at the white dot at the bottom of his face - that's his mouth... he might already have his chin at the rim, but his mouth is wide open anyway, so if he closes his mouth, that his chin sitting on the rim.

Horrible quality vid unfortunately.. there are better quality versions at regular speed, but it's too fast to see, so someone would have to know how to manually convert a gif to slow-motion.

dubeta

09-24-2014, 01:51 AM

Look at the white dot at the bottom of his face - that's his mouth... he might already have his chin at the rim, but his mouth is wide open anyway, so if he closes his mouth, that his chin sitting on the rim.

Horrible quality vid unfortunately.. there are better quality versions at regular speed, but it's too fast to see, so someone would have to know how to manually convert a gif to slow-motion.

His head was a good 3-4 inches under the rim, sorry your BS wont work here. The camera angle was too deceiving

that was a 39 inch vertical

Warfan

09-24-2014, 01:52 AM

Wonder how high he is here, probably rim level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ5jJaKhPsM

http://www.hoopglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/lbj7.jpg

Warfan

09-24-2014, 01:56 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg....http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif

Look at the white dot at the bottom of his face - that's his mouth... he might already have his chin at the rim, but his mouth is wide open anyway, so if he closes his mouth, that his chin sitting on the rim.

Horrible quality vid unfortunately.. there are better quality versions at regular speed, but it's too fast to see, so someone would have to know how to manually convert a gif to slow-motion.

The top of his head is at rim level. The angle makes it look like he got up higher.

3ball

09-24-2014, 02:10 AM

tpols

09-24-2014, 02:13 AM

http://i.imgur.com/CMsfoVz.jpg

:eek: Barely got off the ground and his hands are already above the rim. MDE! :bowdown:

Also:

http://i.imgur.com/yZq9rRR.jpg
I mean that only enhances the 'skill' argument.. I dont think anyone would argue kobe over lebron as an athlete.. hes 3 inches taller, 50 lbs heavier and still jumps higher.. physically he's >>>. Mentally? Eh, he's <<.

3ball

09-24-2014, 02:15 AM

http://www.alttabradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/michael-jordan-reverse-dunk.jpg

^ This is the highest I've seen MJ get from a normal angled picture. ~37" (a foot less than what MJ stans are claiming)

It doesn't occur to you that Jordan is on the way up there?.. If you had seen the dunk before, you would know that he has to duck his head to avoid hitting it on the rim, as you can see below.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/ea1c7e53f83495db3c80c5346f2da98c.gif

Budadiiii

09-24-2014, 02:19 AM

I mean that only enhances the 'skill' argument.. I dont think anyone would argue kobe over lebron as an athlete.. hes 3 inches taller, 50 lbs heavier and still jumps higher.. physically he's >>>. Mentally? Eh, he's <<.
Eh? There's no room for argument there. LeBron is a major mental midget.

Warfan

09-24-2014, 02:21 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

You're trippin if you think his whole head is above the rim, the top of his head is level with the rim, maybe slightly above it. Find another pic of him being even close to that height where his chin is at the rim....

SavageMode

09-24-2014, 02:24 AM

Man I've seen too many games with Lebron dunking, head over the rim.

He is easily 40+ vert.

What's impressive is he's a 40+ vert, weighing at least 80 more pounds than D-Rose.

Mr. Jabbar

09-24-2014, 02:28 AM

rightsideup

09-24-2014, 02:31 AM

dubeta

09-24-2014, 02:31 AM

brans peak was 50'' during 2009 as this picture confirms:

http://www.epi-centre.com/basics/pixels/images/pixels4.jpg

we're talking about vert here right?

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 02:38 AM

we're talking about vert here right?

:biggums: Nobody brought up Pippen.

3ball

09-24-2014, 02:40 AM

In all reality, the height that Lebron achieves off a running start one-legged leap is NOT considered one's "vertical".

It is well-known that a "vertical" is one's TWO-legged leap.

This is a fact... So someone post Lebron getting his head over the rim off of a TWO-footed leap.

I'll wait.

dubeta

09-24-2014, 02:42 AM

3ball

09-24-2014, 02:43 AM

In the meantime, I'll post the only LEGIT 48" vertical in the entire thread.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg....http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif

Cali Syndicate

09-24-2014, 02:56 AM

Lebron definitely has a 40"+ vertical.

So did MJ. 48" though? probably 44" max similar to Lebron.

This is what a 48" vertical would look like. MJ couldnt get up like this.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/Greenheadaboverim_zps1fb95d4a.gif (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/umdatz/media/Greenheadaboverim_zps1fb95d4a.gif.html)

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/geralll_zpsfbea5154.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/umdatz/media/geralll_zpsfbea5154.jpg.html)

Naw....Lebron aint getting this high either

pauk

09-24-2014, 03:01 AM

3ball, all players vertical measurements are from a running takeoff really.... they measure also the standing vert, but that is something that is usually ignored on the merit list.... and likely so, because its not often you do things from standstill on the court, except if it is a jumpshot....

Your max standing vert is like 10" or so lower than your max takeoff vert.

oarabbus

09-24-2014, 03:01 AM

reported for racism

:roll:

Lebron definitely has a 40"+ vertical.

So did MJ. 48" though? probably 44" max similar to Lebron.

No way. MJ's was 40" at best. People have gone through every second of the GOATs footage, there are hour long mixes on youtube, he never gets up more than 38-40"

dubeta

09-24-2014, 03:03 AM

3ball retreating back to his cave to scavenge more MJ footage :lol

oarabbus

09-24-2014, 03:11 AM

pauk

09-24-2014, 03:11 AM

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/geralll_zpsfbea5154.jpg[/URL]

Naw....Lebron aint getting this high either

Close close... http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1_zps9b656c0a.png He couldnt do that today though, yea....

Anyways, Gerald Green is a legit 46", at this very day..... Im not sure if somebody ever had a higher confirmed vertical than that in NBA history, but all i know is i have never seen somebody get any higher than that in the NBA (or any basketball game), that vert is at 6'8" afterall........ maybe James White?

http://s2.dmcdn.net/AI8lj.jpg

RoseCity07

09-24-2014, 03:16 AM

Why are people talking about Lebron's vertical while using pics of him jumping on the run.

Vertical is a different measurement so 40" is pretty damn good. I think most people an average athlete has like a 22-24" vertical.

Cali Syndicate

09-24-2014, 03:27 AM

:roll:

No way. MJ's was 40" at best. People have gone through every second of the GOATs footage, there are hour long mixes on youtube, he never gets up more than 38-40"

If you consider his head at the rim here, then he at least had a 42"

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJHeadatrm_zps8bdf667a.gif (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/umdatz/media/MJHeadatrm_zps8bdf667a.gif.html)

Cali Syndicate

09-24-2014, 03:29 AM

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 03:31 AM

I'm pretty sure combine vertical measurements are from a standstill jumping straight up.
incorrect

standing vertical is tested, and max vertical is tested. Max, the player can do whatever they want (run, take 2 steps, w/e). When somebody says "(any player) had a 36" recorded vertical" they are almost always talking about the max vertical measured, as not many people care about or even pay attention to the standing measurement.

Cali Syndicate

09-24-2014, 03:35 AM

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 03:40 AM

I stand corrected.
check out www.draftexpress.com/measurements

you'll find a lot of this data there :cheers:

dubeta

09-24-2014, 03:42 AM

If anyone wants to confirm Wilt's 65" vert I got you covered :cheers:

http://i.imgur.com/G4lyU.jpg

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 03:42 AM

If anyone wants to confirm Wilt's 65" vert I got you covered :cheers:

http://i.imgur.com/G4lyU.jpg
Head at the top of the backboard :bowdown:

3ball

09-24-2014, 04:07 AM

incorrect

standing vertical is tested, and max vertical is tested. Max, the player can do whatever they want (run, take 2 steps, w/e). When somebody says "(any player) had a 36" recorded vertical" they are almost always talking about the max vertical measured, as not many people care about or even pay attention to the standing measurement.
Bolded is a the opposite of the truth... you are right about the max vert being whatever the player wants, but standing vert IS considered equally important.

they should call the max vert more like 45 degree vert since the player can use a running start.

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 04:09 AM

If anyone wants to confirm Wilt's 65" vert I got you covered :cheers:

http://i.imgur.com/G4lyU.jpg

Looks like a standing vert :eek:

Dude could have dunked on a 13 foot rim from the foul line, taking only 3 steps.

CavaliersFTW

09-24-2014, 04:10 AM

Bolded is a the opposite of the truth... you are right about the max vert being whatever the player wants, but standing vert IS considered equally important.

they should call the max vert more like 45 degree vert since the player can use a running start.
To a scout yes, to fans, no, fans typically don't give a shit. This is a fan discussion, and every other fan discussions on the net I've ever seen involved discussing the max vertical unless specified otherwise.

3ball

09-24-2014, 04:12 AM

If you consider his head at the rim here, then he at least had a 42"

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJHeadatrm_zps8bdf667a.gif (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/umdatz/media/MJHeadatrm_zps8bdf667a.gif.html)

That's true ^^^^^^ and there's always this vvvvvvv - a true 48" standing vert.. his head is razor-thin close to the rim, so there is no room for camera-angle deception.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg....http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif

dubeta

09-24-2014, 04:12 AM

Looks like a standing vert :eek:

Dude could have dunked on a 13 foot rim from the foul line, taking only 3 steps.

And beat up 2 mountain lions at once while getting every chick courtside pregnant before he finished his dunk

dubeta

09-24-2014, 04:13 AM

3ball

09-24-2014, 04:19 AM

I said normal angled photo. This under and overhead perspective skews MJ's vertical. Come on brah..

In this dunk, MJ is definitely under 40 inches. He's probably the most photographed/documented leaper in all of NBA history..

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/ea1c7e53f83495db3c80c5346f2da98c.gif

surely you'll present better evidence for this mythical 48inch vertical.

his head is hitting the rim in the gif above, so that's a minimum 42" vertical (he's 6'6" and the rim is 10 feet)...

then in these pictures below, his MOUTH is level with the rim, so that would be 48".. :confusedshrug:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg....http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif

dubeta

09-24-2014, 04:22 AM

his head is hitting the rim in the gif above, so that's a minimum 42" vertical (he's 6'6" and the rim is 10 feet)...

then in these pictures below, his MOUTH is level with the rim, so that would be 48".. :confusedshrug:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg....http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif

If you want people to believe you you better find another angle

Otherwise you look like a weak troll :sleeping

LBJ 23

09-24-2014, 04:25 AM

Lebron's peak vert was around 42-44 inches. Now it's probably around 40-42 inches.

3ball

09-24-2014, 04:30 AM

Lebron's "max vertical" (which for him, is off one leg with a running start) is about the same as Jordan's, except Jordan's "standing vertical" is far superior (confirmed 48 inches based on photo of mouth-level alley-oop) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10569776&postcount=82).

Of course Jordan combined elite SKILL with that athleticism (as opposed to freight train ability), so he was able to get much more frequent chest-to-chest posters by mitigating areas of tight congestion better while maintaining maximum explosion.. Here's 100 chest-to-chest posters right here, which are only possible due to unique SKILL coupled with that athleticism...

Top 15 MJ Dunks Over Multiple Contesting Defenders (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40414797#p40414797)
Random Posters 1 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10508118&postcount=237)
Random Posters 2 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512996&postcount=255)
Random Posters 3 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10487292&postcount=48)
Random Posters 4 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10494322&postcount=198)
Random Posters 5 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10513143&postcount=256)
Random Posters 6 (for 6) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10273035&postcount=86)
Old-Man Chest-to-Chest Posters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512074&postcount=27)
Partial Collection of MJ Dunks Over All-Time Great Centers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40382395#p40382395)
Various Two-Handed Posters Over Defenders (two-foot takeoffs) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441991&postcount=40)
.
.

Cali Syndicate

09-24-2014, 05:01 AM

Again.. MJ is the most documented player there ever was.. there must be better/less skewed images you can find.

You do realize NBA games only had like 3 or 4 camera angles in the 80's and 90's right? Replays aren't the same like they are today with over a dozen different angles. Plus, you'll never find a replay that came on just to showcase how high someone jumped, especially when its for grabbing a rebound or a broken lob. Mj was widely documented, obviously, but the game and players are documented differently these days.

Cali Syndicate

09-24-2014, 05:02 AM

Lebron's peak vert was around 42-44 inches. Now it's probably around 40-42 inches.

yup.

3ball

09-24-2014, 05:08 AM

...not many people care about or even pay attention to the standing measurement.

Here's why people care about standing vert... it's the difference between the first one where Lebron cost his team the game, and the rest of the GIF's, which are Jordan in the exact same spot (no-dribble vertical) except he's winning..

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Lebron_Stuffed_after_Jumping_o_3ab12cd053656a6016f 9ea4e26ad4fa5.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/a88b76f03bde2d1e73d6223789b0968a.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Orlando_Woolridge_2992ff3b66bec8217afc 9045864e3b42.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Defender_off_42e80f0371b2ccd1311ad dc612220fdc.gif

Trollsmasher

09-24-2014, 05:15 AM

his head is hitting the rim in the gif above, so that's a minimum 42" vertical (he's 6'6" and the rim is 10 feet)...

then in these pictures below, his MOUTH is level with the rim, so that would be 48".. :confusedshrug:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg....http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif
mouth at rim level:lol

the player behind MJ is higher though and he is not even jumping

Trollsmasher

09-24-2014, 05:22 AM

http://i.imgur.com/2B2WMTn.jpg
:lol
50 inches vertical stand:applause:

3ball

09-24-2014, 05:22 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg..http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/cbeef5c67d9f626b5d8b930f1a5c89cf.gif

mouth at rim level:lol

the player behind MJ is higher though and he is not even jumping

Jordan's mouth (the tiny white dot you see near the bottom of his face in the still-shot) is right at the rim, almost hitting it... so there is no room for any camera deception there.. the camera deception logic is only relevant when the player has distance (even a little) with the rim, but there is no room between the rim and Jordan (or in this case, his mouth).

Since there is no room or distance between Jordan (his mouth) and the rim, the shot of his mouth at the rim is legit, which would be a 48" vertical, since he's 6"6" and the rim is 10 feet.
.

dubeta

09-24-2014, 05:47 AM

Dont need to waste your breath on this 3ball fool

Let him live in his own world where MJ has a 48" vert, and somehow MJ > LeBron

3ball

09-24-2014, 06:00 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg
His mouth is clearly right at the rim.. impossible for the camera to distort any space gap because there is none.

What I think you guys are missing is the math part... Jordan is two inches shorter, so when he gets his mouth at the rim and lebron gets his mouth by the rim, Jordan is jumping two inches higher because he was two inches shorter.. get it?

3ball

09-24-2014, 06:07 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

If so, please prove it.

I proved Jordan had a 48" vertical because I showed a picture where Jordan's mouth was right at the rim, with no gap or distance in between his mouth and the rim, meaning the camera has no space or gap distance to distort.

Now in the Lebron picture where he is corralling the rebound, the downward angle DOES distort his true elevation because we see from another angle that he is several feet from the rim, and he is only at eye to nose level when you draw a straight line.
.

3ball

09-24-2014, 06:24 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

No you didn't brah.. if anything, we should be more impressed with his teammate then.

:lol

Jordan's teammate is far from the rim, hence the camera distortion..

Also, the straight-on shot of Lebron corralling the rebound showed that Lebron was also several feet from the rim, which explained why the downward shot of that play was distorted.

But here, Jordan is kissing the rim.. so no distortion, just a 48" vertical.

3ball

09-24-2014, 06:49 AM

On the real though..

Original:
http://i.imgur.com/DSNp0mM.jpg

again.. 37-40" (max).. which is very respectable. :applause:

this picture ^^^^ is catching him on his way down and also, it's not like he was jumping for a vertical leap test here - so having to duck to avoid hitting his head on the rim for a 42" vertical is pretty good considering he half turns and it's for a dunk contest.. :confusedshrug:

As for the picture below, this is Jordan performing a 48" standing and max vertical leap.. :applause:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

OldSchoolBBall

09-24-2014, 08:35 AM

All the talk about whether those Lebron photos show a 44" vert is misguided: vertical is measured on a one step run-up or gather step. In each of those plays in the photos, he had a huge running start and went off one leg (his strength in leaping - I'm not sure if they allow you to measure your vert at the combine off one leg). All players can get up higher than their measured "verticals" with a running start.

OldSchoolBBall

09-24-2014, 08:41 AM

lol @ Jordan having a 37" vert. No way. That's crazy talk. But neither does he have a 48" vert. I'd say around 42" give or take an inch. Here's another good video of Jordan (I have this game on tape - wish the uploader wouldn't have frozen the camera at the top of his leap, since you don't get as good a sense of his high he jumped as when you see it in real time):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ajygPaNyE

Hoopz2332

09-24-2014, 09:43 AM

Also:

http://i.imgur.com/yZq9rRR.jpg

:oldlol:

Hoopz2332

09-24-2014, 09:56 AM

past season..

http://i.imgur.com/BUNn3aJ.jpg

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/4mTRn.gif

and..

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2261431/lebronhurt.gif --->Lebron almost blew his knee out lol

http://i.imgur.com/8BhlSeH.jpg

Dragic4Life

09-24-2014, 10:06 AM

http://i.imgur.com/CMsfoVz.jpg

:eek: Barely got off the ground and his hands are already above the rim. MDE! :bowdown:

Also:

http://i.imgur.com/yZq9rRR.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Psileas

09-24-2014, 11:33 AM

Jordan's mouth (the tiny white dot you see near the bottom of his face in the still-shot) is right at the rim, almost hitting it... so there is no room for any camera deception there.. the camera deception logic is only relevant when the player has distance (even a little) with the rim, but there is no room between the rim and Jordan (or in this case, his mouth).

Since there is no room or distance between Jordan (his mouth) and the rim, the shot of his mouth at the rim is legit, which would be a 48" vertical, since he's 6"6" and the rim is 10 feet.
.

First of all, as long as we don't see a shot from another angle (it's hard to believe that there doesn't exist any), it's hard to see whether there's no distance between him and the rim. After all, if there's no distance, how come he doesn't at any point hit his head on the rim? He doesn't even seem to bother and try to avoid it. And it's not even that his vert is 100% vertical, we can see he steps in different spots when launching and when landing, making a 48 inch vertical for a 6'6 athlete a prime candidate to injure your head from "no distance".

Second, his hands (and in particular his left one, the least bent one) aren't as high as someone would expect for a 48 inch jump. Jordan, according to sources, has a 8'10 standing reach, meaning that he would be able to touch a couple of inches below the top of the glass. Needless to say, this doesn't seem anywhere near this, even if he fully extended his arm.

Third, the notion that if there's no distance between his head and the basket can't create distortions is also false. A head at rim level, right next to the rim, taken from this view, would still seem a few inches higher than what it is, unless the whole head's view is covered by the rim and the net, which can't be the case when you take off from where Jordan did.

jongib369

09-24-2014, 12:13 PM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2261431/lebronhurt.gif --->Lebron almost blew his knee out lol

http://i.imgur.com/8BhlSeH.jpg

:eek:

Myth

09-24-2014, 12:23 PM

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1.png

LeBron's 6'8 right?

So if his head is 6-7 inches over the 10 foot rim then thats 46-47 inches right?

my bad just an inch shorter than 48" :sleeping

I was at that game and I had not heard so many "ooh"s for an opposing player doing a play that was not a score. I had never seen a leap like that in my life. I believe he was a legit 6" above the rim, and I don't like LeBron.

Trollsmasher

09-24-2014, 12:47 PM

First of all, as long as we don't see a shot from another angle (it's hard to believe that there doesn't exist any), it's hard to see whether there's no distance between him and the rim. After all, if there's no distance, how come he doesn't at any point hit his head on the rim? He doesn't even seem to bother and try to avoid it. And it's not even that his vert is 100% vertical, we can see he steps in different spots when launching and when landing, making a 48 inch vertical for a 6'6 athlete a prime candidate to injure your head from "no distance".

Second, his hands (and in particular his left one, the least bent one) aren't as high as someone would expect for a 48 inch jump. Jordan, according to sources, has a 8'10 standing reach, meaning that he would be able to touch a couple of inches below the top of the glass. Needless to say, this doesn't seem anywhere near this, even if he fully extended his arm.

Third, the notion that if there's no distance between his head and the basket can't create distortions is also false. A head at rim level, right next to the rim, taken from this view, would still seem a few inches higher than what it is, unless the whole head's view is covered by the rim and the net, which can't be the case when you take off from where Jordan did.
:applause:

moe94

09-24-2014, 01:04 PM

I love these threads and the arguments/pictures. It's always hilarious.

fpliii

09-24-2014, 01:15 PM

Just my take:

I think MJ is definitely at rim level, likely higher if he's leaning forward, in 3ball's gif. If you look closely, the defender brushes against MJ's right leg in the single image he posted. Also note that the "A" in MILWAUKEE along the baseline is in the center of the paint.

So, the distance between the plane of the defender's legs and the center of the A is the same as the distance between the center of the rim and where MJ's head would be if his head was in the same vertical plane as his right (back) leg. Both are ~24 inches.

At a minimum then, MJ's head is at rim level, putting his leap at 42". Now, if Jordan's head is closer to the basket than the vertical plane with his right leg, which is typical since he did a lot of leaning dunks, there is less distance between his head and the rim, obviously. So the more he's leaning, the higher above the rim his head is.

If he's leaning forward enough that his head is at the rim, it looks like the rim would be level with his mouth. I don't think he's quite there though. From some quick searches, it seems the average human head is ~10 inches tall, and the mouth is a little less than a quarter of the way up. Let's say it's ~2 inches. If MJ's at the rim, we'd add all remaining ~8 inches to his jump, but I don't think he's quite there. If he's not leaning at all, we'd add nothing. I think it's safe to split the difference and add ~4 inches, assuming a slight lean forward (~1 ft) on his dunk. Adding this to the 42 from a level jump, this would make it a ~46 vert.

Thoughts?

DatAsh

09-24-2014, 02:05 PM

kshutts1

09-24-2014, 02:07 PM

Would it be possible to calculate vert from the length of time he's in the air?
Off the top of my head, yes... but we would need more information, most notably the force with which he pushes off the ground.

That force could be derived from the height of his jump, but since that's what we're looking for, it would not work in this instance.

Then other factors would have to be taken into place to make it truly accurate, such as time spent on/in contact with the rim, contact from other players, air density, etc.

kshutts1

09-24-2014, 02:09 PM

It is much easier to look at the picture posted earlier with the red line from the rim to Lebron's head and make a mostly accurate deduction from there.

Will it be exact? No. But it does appear that Lebron's head is about 6 inches above the rim. Even if you want to argue specifics, his head is clearly above the rim. So we can safely assume a 40+ vert, and give a range of maybe 40-46 inches.

Particularly useful would be other shots, of the same play, showing his distance from the cross-court cam relative to the rim.

navy

09-24-2014, 02:19 PM

Pretty amazing you guys think your pseudo science is accurate enough to measure in between inches.

SamuraiSWISH

09-24-2014, 02:22 PM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2261431/lebronhurt.gif --->Lebron almost blew his knee out lol

http://i.imgur.com/8BhlSeH.jpg
:eek:

ArbitraryWater

09-24-2014, 02:26 PM

Lettuce be reality:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9586654&postcount=20

http://www.landinails.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/michael-jordan-dunks-from-the-free-throw-line-gif-q5laqonk.gif
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2545595/lebron-free-throw-line-dunk-o.gif
His whole foot apart from the heel is in the lane. He also barely manages to dunk the ball at all (put him two more inches back and he clanks it off the front of the rim) and that was on fresh legs without opponents chasing him down while being able to measure out his run-up

Meanwhile LeBron dunked it in the 4th quarter of a basketball game jumping from about two inches closer to the basket, while being chased by two opponents, having to dribble, not being able to measure out his run-up and he still had to duck his head to not hit the rim and ended up behind the baseline.

If he had the same conditions as MJ and leaned in with the dunk instead of cocking the arm back, he would've dunked it even if he had jumped from two more feet further out:bowdown:

ArbitraryWater

09-24-2014, 02:32 PM

http://i.imgur.com/BUNn3aJ.jpg
http://www.ultraimg.com/images/4mTRn.gif

SamuraiSWISH

09-24-2014, 02:41 PM

It's safe to say that MJ, and LeBron both had 40+ vertical. The precise number is an unknown. They're in an elite class of athleticism, and leapers within the sport of basketball. Fair?

swagga

09-24-2014, 02:53 PM

It's safe to say that MJ, and LeBron both had 40+ vertical. The precise number is an unknown. They're in an elite class of athleticism, and leapers within the sport of basketball. Fair?

the gerald greens, james whites and other pure leapers beg to differ.
On the other hand, they are the greatest leapers among the superstars, which is probably what you wanted to say.

The crazy thing about lebron is that he is in this class while having a heavier build (jordan, green, white are all lean). Crazy to think how much more he'd jump if he had a lighter upper body.

ThickassGlasses

09-24-2014, 02:58 PM

True vertical jumps aren't measured with a running start, they are measured from standing still.

There are plenty of NFL players with 40+ inch verts, hell you can roll into most local fitness clubs and find a guy with a 40+ vertical.

LeBron and MJ being at 48 is not absurd, not in any way.

SamuraiSWISH

09-24-2014, 03:00 PM

the gerald greens, james whites and other pure leapers beg to differ.
Yea, those guys are elite too.

On the other hand, they are the greatest leapers among the superstars, which is probably what you wanted to say.
This as well.

The crazy thing about lebron is that he is in this class while having a heavier build (jordan, green, white are all lean). Crazy to think how much more he'd jump if he had a lighter upper body.
No, LeBron is broad in the shoulders but his weight doesn't come from his upper body as much. There have been bigger dudes at his size in the arms, and especially upper body wise. Thickness of chest, etc.

LeBron's freakish weight advantage comes from his lower body. He's thick in the legs. Something if you've seen most of these lean, lanky NBA players in person are not. They have these wirey, almost spring coiled stick like legs. Some of them .. disgustingly thin: McGrady, Iverson, Keyon Clark, Kobe, and even Jordan.

Bron however has these powerful, almost football like legs. Which is probably why he's been so durable, and had no knee issues. His legs can support his weight. It's also why when he gets a head of steam, and explodes off one leg ... he shoots off like a damn rocket.

But on quick explosions off two feet, jump stops, etc he can't touch the quick twitch muscle reactions getting off the ground like Jordan, Kobe, etc He need momentum to blast off.

OldSchoolBBall

09-24-2014, 03:06 PM

Agreed that a lot of Bron's weight comes from his legs - definitely way thicker and more muscular than the typical basketball player's legs.

Cali Syndicate

09-24-2014, 03:10 PM

Bro, nobody is buying what 3ball (and other MJ stans) is selling here. There's probably at least 10 professional photographers following MJ in each home and away game. Surely there's at least one photo in his 1072 game career of him getting his head over the rim. All I'm asking is for one non-skewed photo/still.

I agree, nobody is buying that he had a 46"-48" vertical. And I get it, this MJ 48" vertical had has been beaten to death in previous threads. However, a 42" one is not out of the question though. But LOL at photographers. It'd have to be a perfect shot, within hundredths of a second, to capture a player right at the peak of his jump. There are more photographers in today's game capturing just regular action shots on the daily than there were specifically for MJ and most everything thing you find on the net regarding head level shots are video stills, which is why it's so difficult to find "proof" shots.

What do you think about the angle on this one? His head is clearly rim level and the hoop perspective is pretty narrow. I believe it's his free throw dunk from the 88 contest. looks legit, video is not as telling though.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/umdatz/media/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png.html)

LBJ 23

09-24-2014, 03:11 PM

No, LeBron is broad in the shoulders but his weight doesn't come from his upper body as much. There have been bigger dudes at his size in the arms, and especially upper body wise. Thickness of chest, etc.

LeBron's freakish weight advantage comes from his lower body. He's thick in the legs. Something if you've seen most of these lean, lanky NBA players in person are not. They have these wirey, almost spring coiled stick like legs. Some of them .. disgustingly thin: McGrady, Iverson, Keyon Clark, Kobe, and even Jordan.

Bron however has these powerful, almost football like legs. Which is probably why he's been so durable, and had no knee issues. His legs can support his weight. It's also why when he gets a head of steam, and explodes off one leg ... he shoots off like a damn rocket.

But on quick explosions off two feet, jump stops, etc he can't touch the quick twitch muscle reactions getting off the ground like Jordan, Kobe, etc He need momentum to blast off.

I've been saying the same thing in this thread when the debate was about Lebron's weight.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289606&page=3

NattyPbutter who's into bodybuilding strongly disagreed.

SamuraiSWISH

09-24-2014, 03:14 PM

Eh.. unless you're Tyson Chandler

http://i.imgur.com/e7puVsE.jpg

the majority of your weight coming from your lower body applies to most people. (Jordan included) :confusedshrug:
Too busy looking at that chick's shape.

:pimp:

sportjames23

09-24-2014, 03:22 PM

Just gonna post this pic of the rare angle of MJ's '88 free throw line dunk:

http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/jordan-1988-freethrow-dunk-new-angle.jpg

Trollsmasher

09-24-2014, 03:25 PM

Yea, those guys are elite too.

This as well.

No, LeBron is broad in the shoulders but his weight doesn't come from his upper body as much. There have been bigger dudes at his size in the arms, and especially upper body wise. Thickness of chest, etc.

LeBron's freakish weight advantage comes from his lower body. He's thick in the legs. Something if you've seen most of these lean, lanky NBA players in person are not. They have these wirey, almost spring coiled stick like legs. Some of them .. disgustingly thin: McGrady, Iverson, Keyon Clark, Kobe, and even Jordan.

Bron however has these powerful, almost football like legs. Which is probably why he's been so durable, and had no knee issues. His legs can support his weight. It's also why when he gets a head of steam, and explodes off one leg ... he shoots off like a damn rocket.

But on quick explosions off two feet, jump stops, etc he can't touch the quick twitch muscle reactions getting off the ground like Jordan, Kobe, etc He need momentum to blast off.
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0317/8717/t/2/assets/blog_lebron-james-in-short-shorts.png

Myth

09-24-2014, 03:34 PM

True vertical jumps aren't measured with a running start, they are measured from standing still.

Those are "standing verticals" not "true verticals." If a player runs and jumps 48" are you really going to say it didn't truly happen and scoff that they ran first?

Myth

09-24-2014, 03:36 PM

Yea, those guys are elite too.

This as well.

No, LeBron is broad in the shoulders but his weight doesn't come from his upper body as much. There have been bigger dudes at his size in the arms, and especially upper body wise. Thickness of chest, etc.

LeBron's freakish weight advantage comes from his lower body. He's thick in the legs. Something if you've seen most of these lean, lanky NBA players in person are not. They have these wirey, almost spring coiled stick like legs. Some of them .. disgustingly thin: McGrady, Iverson, Keyon Clark, Kobe, and even Jordan.

Bron however has these powerful, almost football like legs. Which is probably why he's been so durable, and had no knee issues. His legs can support his weight. It's also why when he gets a head of steam, and explodes off one leg ... he shoots off like a damn rocket.

But on quick explosions off two feet, jump stops, etc he can't touch the quick twitch muscle reactions getting off the ground like Jordan, Kobe, etc He need momentum to blast off.

When I think of thick legs, I think of Yao Ming. Guy hauled around 2 tree trunks.

http://thefabweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/KP30R.jpg

Trollsmasher

09-24-2014, 03:37 PM

When I think of thick legs, I think of Yao Ming. Guy hauled around 2 tree trunks.

http://thefabweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/KP30R.jpg
well, something had to support that head:lol

Milbuck

09-24-2014, 04:19 PM

That Lebron lob attempt where he got his shoulders near level...what the ****.

Sickest athlete I've ever seen. 2008-2010 Lebron definitely had a 45-47" vert imo, he's probably closer to 40 right now.

mehyaM24

09-24-2014, 04:34 PM

Another weird/distant/angled perspective.. It's very grainy/hard to see also. Can't say for sure, but looks almost rim level.

Question: Has MJ come close to rim level post-89 (over 26+)?? LeBron while nearing 30 (this December) is still able to consistently get at (and above) rim level. :eek:

dumb question. there are gifs (here) showing jordan's chin at rim length. early, rookie jordan too.

lebron is a better leaper, however. no question about it.

dubeta

09-24-2014, 04:37 PM

After these LeBron pics 3ball no where to be found :oldlol:

Needs to do some photoshop for those MJ 48" vert pics

mehyaM24

09-24-2014, 04:42 PM

:oldlol: at this kid.. still hanging on my nuts I see.
u :mad: ?

oarabbus

09-24-2014, 04:47 PM

dumb question. there are gifs (here) showing jordan's chin at rim length. early, rookie jordan too.

lebron is a better leaper, however. no question about it.

Nope. Jordan is a great leaper but nothing posted proves 40", to get his chin at the rim would be ~44"

mehyaM24

09-24-2014, 04:51 PM

Nope. Jordan is a great leaper but nothing posted proves 40", to get his chin at the rim would be ~44"

Michael Jordan also had a 48 inch verical. Obviously he wasn't maxing out his jump on every play, but Michael Jordan's max jump was 48"!!
http://vertcoach.com/highest-vertical-leap.html
not sure he had a LEGIT 48" vert, but its definitely closer to 48 than 40. just watch his rookie dunks before breaking his foot in 86.

not a jordan guy, but the guys hops were insane.

mehyaM24

09-24-2014, 04:57 PM

You're the one who's mad, mehyaM24.. holding it in will make it that much worse.. let it all out and settle this once and for all.
take your meds, fruitcake

ArbitraryWater

09-24-2014, 05:40 PM

take your meds, fruitcake

lmfao

inclinerator

09-24-2014, 06:16 PM

zach lavine >> jordon and bran

Trollsmasher

09-24-2014, 06:19 PM

dumb question. there are gifs (here) showing jordan's chin at rim length. early, rookie jordan too.

lebron is a better leaper, however. no question about it.
yeah, but we are not talking about that in this thread

3ball

09-24-2014, 06:36 PM

.
Jordan had elite ability off one leg AND two legs - here's two legs:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Defender_off_42e80f0371b2ccd1311ad dc612220fdc.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Wingate_23a229363a29a94ccb62cde8fb8b7a 57.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67 d426c26375b8c.gif

One Leg:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Cradle_From_Almost_FT_L_be1e0eee2d4613049ae 82e8600cc58c1.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/ed34bb98401bb69ad56a198f948f25b5.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/538ef229459a981e5c8f278536a17ec7.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/11db85ca30f8e0ecaebec27be6a98090.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/2fa23c224d86948204d609db78ae9917.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/919b363305d3199f4c450c8c41f36c01.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/04cb29c7576454de2726a70c31eea782.gif

Marchesk

09-24-2014, 06:39 PM

http://i.imgur.com/8BhlSeH.jpg.

I gotta admit, Lebron is Wilt-like in this photo. Damn!

3ball

09-24-2014, 06:45 PM

I gotta admit, Lebron is Wilt-like in this photo. Damn!

Jordan's is more impressive because he ALSO gets mouth-level with the rim, however.... 1) he has a ball in his hands and 2) he gets less extension because he is extending with TWO ARMS not one; his two arms are actually bent..

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

again, both players are getting mouth-level with the rim, which means the top of their heads are 6 inches above the rim, or 10 feet 6 inches.... Subtract their heights of 6'6" and 6'8" and you get verticals of 48" and 46" for Jordan and Lebron, respectively.

also, running start leaps off one leg are not as impressive as standing leaps off of two.. it's just a fact... when guys get old, you don't see them jumping off two legs anymore, because it's too hard... this is a fact... :confusedshrug:
.

3ball

09-24-2014, 07:00 PM

Seriously though, why is everyone saying Jordan and Lebron's vertical is in the 40-42 inch range when clearly both guys can get mouth-level to the rim, which would mean their vertical is in the 46-48 inch range?

Can anyone on here do math??

Mouth-level with the rim means the top of their heads is 6 inches over the rim, or 10 feet 6 inches... So we only need to subtract the height of both players to get the vertical... For Jordan's 6 feet 6 inch height, that would be 48 inch vertical... For Lebron's 6 feet 8 inches, that would be 46 inches..

Also, one-legged leaps ARE easier than two-footed ones... ask anyone that plays basketball and when guys get old, they have to dunk like Lisa Leslie or Vlade Divac - off one leg - that's just the easiest way to dunk.. :confusedshrug:

dubeta

09-24-2014, 07:02 PM

Seriously though, why is everyone saying Jordan and Lebron's vertical is in the 40-42 inch range when clearly both guys can get mouth-level to the rim, which would mean their vertical is in the 46-48 inch range?

Ca anyone on here do math??

Mouth-level with the rim means the top of their heads is 6 inches over the rim, or 10 feet 6 inches... So we only need to subtract the height of both players to get the vertical... For Jordan's 6 feet 6 inch height, that would be 48 inch vertical... For Lebron's 6 feet 8 inches, that would be 46 inches..

LOOOL so you're argument basically changed from LeBron doesnt have a 46" vert, more like a 40" to now LeBron has a 46" and MJ has a 48" :facepalm

you're pathetic

MJ's vert max is 40" find another angle of that MJ pic or gtfo

oarabbus

09-24-2014, 07:04 PM

Seriously though, why is everyone saying Jordan and Lebron's vertical is in the 40-42 inch range when clearly both guys can get mouth-level to the rim, which would mean their vertical is in the 46-48 inch range?

[citation needed]

LeBron has at least 3 different pictures now, each with multiple angles, proving he can do this.

3ball

09-24-2014, 07:06 PM

LOOOL so you're argument basically changed from LeBron doesnt have a 46" vert, more like a 40" to now LeBron has a 46" and MJ has a 48" :facepalm

you're pathetic

MJ's vert max is 40" find another angle of that MJ pic or gtfo
I NEVER said Lebron didn't have a 46" vert.

I never said that... you just made that up... all i've EVER said itt is that Jordan was ALSO getting his head over the rim... and despite the limited quality footage available for Jordan, I was able to post a pic showing that.

Math is math dude.... mouth-level with the rim means the top of the head is 6 inches over the rim, or 10 feet 6 inches... subtract the player's heights, and you get verticals of 48 and 46 inches, respectively... :confusedshrug:

SamuraiSWISH

09-24-2014, 07:07 PM

What are you trolls arguing? Both MJ, and LeBron have over 40+ verticals. Using arbitray pictures, at various heights of their jump to prove either / or is complete nonsense. It's a pissing match for no reason.

Lord Bean

09-24-2014, 07:15 PM

You know why people can't believe Jordan and Lebron have verticals that high???

Because the "max vertical" measurement (where the player can use any method they want to do the jump.. i.e. running start, one leg or two, etc), is a NEW thing...

Historically, as other posters have mentioned, only the STANDING VERTICAL has been measured (a one-step, two-footed jump) - and using this method, no one historically has had much more than a 40-inch vertical.... except Jordan, who did a one-step vertical in that clip and got mouth-level with the rim.. :confusedshrug:

This is consistent with reports we've heard for years about Jordan's 48-inch STANDING VERTICAL, which was the only type of vertical tested for in Jordan's day.you have not actually shown a non misleading picture of Jordan head at rim level. show just one picture that show jordan head clearly 6 inches over rim. stop posting the same picture that is obvious misleading because of perspective

there is actual picture that shows lebron 6 + inches over rim, no for michael

3ball

09-24-2014, 07:19 PM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

you have not actually shown a non misleading picture of Jordan head at rim level. show just one picture that show jordan head clearly 6 inches over rim. stop posting the same picture that is obvious misleading because of perspective

there is actual picture that shows lebron 6 + inches over rim, no for michael
The picture shows Jordan's mouth is close enough to the rim to kiss it... so there is no room for camera deception, just like the picture where Lebron is reaching up with one hand and his head is ALSO close enough to kiss the rim - no room for camera deception there either.

The camera deception logic only comes into play when there is DISTANCE in between the player and the rim (like the OTHER Lebron play where is he corralling the rebound)....

This is factual and not arguable - the camera deception only comes into play when there is DISTANCE between the player and the rim, not when the player is close enough to kiss the rim.. period... So the 46-48 inch verticals for Jordan and Lebron shown in those pics is legit.

SamuraiSWISH

09-24-2014, 07:22 PM

I'm actually with dubeta on this particular case. MJ 40 max imo.
Don't really care. Your opinions flip flop, change, and you both troll daily. At some point it is factual MJ was measured with a 48 inch vertical. He's clearly in the 40+ range. LeBron as well.

abuC

09-24-2014, 07:26 PM

So people really believe Jordan had a higher vertical than James White, Gerald Green and DJ Stephens?

iznogood

09-24-2014, 07:29 PM

The picture shows Jordan's mouth is close enough to the rim to kiss it... so there is no room for camera deception, just like the picture where Lebron is reaching up with one hand and his head is ALSO close enough to kiss the rim - no room for camera deception there either.

The camera deception logic only comes into play when there is DISTANCE in between the player and the rim (like the OTHER Lebron play where is he corralling the rebound)....

This is factual and not arguable - the camera deception only comes into play when there is DISTANCE between the player and the rim, not when the player is close enough to kiss the rim.. period... So the 46-48 inch verticals for Jordan and Lebron shown in those pics is legit.
You are wrong, clearly there is some distance between his head and the rim, otherwise he'd hit the rim. The distance might be small, but it is and it's important. Therefore angles matter.

3ball

09-24-2014, 07:41 PM

So people really believe Jordan had a higher vertical than James White, Gerald Green and DJ Stephens?
Most guys don't jump as high for the test as they do in a game.

The max vert test is the interesting-looking contraption and a lot of players don't try their hardest when doing the test out of embarrassment or awkwardness... Also, some just don't jump as high in such a setting where they are trying to hit the highest marker on a contraption.

Some guys specifically practice for the test and do their absolute best on it (cody zeller), which can make it look like they can jump better than other guys that actually DO jump higher, but half-a**ed or were tentative doing the test.. this happens a lot.

Hoopz2332

09-24-2014, 07:44 PM

Lebron head level while leaning back:eek:

http://i.imgur.com/3i59Ewj.jpg

ThickassGlasses

09-24-2014, 07:59 PM

Those are "standing verticals" not "true verticals." If a player runs and jumps 48" are you really going to say it didn't truly happen and scoff that they ran first?

That's not a true vertical jump, every way a vertical jump is measured is from a standing position, not with a gather.

So yes, if you come up to me and show me a running 40 inch vertical, I will tell you that is not a vertical jump.

3ball

09-24-2014, 08:01 PM

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/umdatz/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/umdatz/media/MJrimlevel_zps94088237.png.html)

Lebron head level while leaning back:eek:

Just like Jordan is on his FT-line dunk (actually, i think Jordan's head is even higher, but anyway).

For Lebron, head-level means a 40-inch vertical for Lebron (10 feet minus 6 feet 8 inches).... and in other pictures where Lebron's head is ABOVE the rim, he is clearly jumping HIGHER than 40 inches.

For Jordan, head-level is 42 inches (10 feet minus 6 feet 6 inches)... and of course it would be more than that when his head is above the rim.

math is math.
.

eliteballer

09-24-2014, 09:11 PM

Stop posting angles below the rim. They make guys look higher than they are.

3ball

09-24-2014, 09:13 PM

Stop posting angles below the rim. They make guys look higher than they are.
so the angles from below the rim (where the camera shoots upward) overstates the elevation, yet the downward angle shot where Jordan mouth is close enough to kiss the rim ALSO makes him look higher?

the angles are fine... they can't be good for lebron but somehow bad for jordan.

eliteballer

09-24-2014, 09:23 PM

so the angles from below the rim (where the camera shoots upward) overstates the elevation, yet the downward angle shot where Jordan mouth is close enough to kiss the rim ALSO makes him look higher?

the angles are fine... they can't be good for lebron but somehow bad for jordan.

The angle your using is even worse.......waaay above the rim and waaay to one side.

Are you kidding me? There's two reasons you could be repeatedly using it:

1. You're too stupid to know otherwise
2. You know it's junk but keep posting it hoping to convince people jordan is jumping higher than he is...which would be truly pathetic because it won't change reality, just convince a couple of dudes on a message board.

Hoopz2332

09-24-2014, 09:34 PM

:lebronamazed:

http://i.imgur.com/sAYeJWH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cmB3FQ0.jpg

navy

09-24-2014, 09:36 PM

Stop posting Lebron we already have video confirmation he can reach 40.3 inches.

abuC

09-25-2014, 12:14 AM

Most guys don't jump as high for the test as they do in a game.

The max vert test is the interesting-looking contraption and a lot of players don't try their hardest when doing the test out of embarrassment or awkwardness... Also, some just don't jump as high in such a setting where they are trying to hit the highest marker on a contraption.

Some guys specifically practice for the test and do their absolute best on it (cody zeller), which can make it look like they can jump better than other guys that actually DO jump higher, but half-a**ed or were tentative doing the test.. this happens a lot.

These are 44+ verticals

DJ Stephens - 6'5" (46" vertical at the combine)
http://www.hoopsfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DJ-Stephens-Kissing-the-Rim.jpg

Gerald Green 6'8"
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Untitled-26.jpg
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ggreen.jpg

James White 6'7"
http://i3.minus.com/iWt7uTBrROYn3.jpg

Show me one picture of Jordan close to any of these guys, in all of his career the only thing you're posting is 1 dunk from an elevated angle above the rim where it's impossible to tell how high he was.

3ball

09-25-2014, 12:17 AM

These are 44+ verticals

DJ Stephens - 6'5" (46" vertical at the combine)
http://www.hoopsfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DJ-Stephens-Kissing-the-Rim.jpg

Gerald Green 6'8"
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Untitled-26.jpg

James White 6'7"
http://i3.minus.com/iWt7uTBrROYn3.jpg

Show me one picture of Jordan close to any of these guys, in all of his career the only thing you're posting is 1 dunk from an elevated angle above the rim where it's impossible to tell how high he was.
THOSE are very high quality pictures... We need that quality for Jordan's kiss-the-rim alley oop.

abuC

09-25-2014, 12:23 AM

THOSE are very high quality pictures... We need that quality for Jordan's kiss-the-rim alley oop.

There's no way Jordan jumped higher than those guys though, and none of them have 48" verticals.

This guy touched 13 feet and even he doesn't have a 48" vertical (6'8")

http://houseofhighlights.com/wp-content/uploads/et_temp/topbboard-249208_500x350.jpeg

3ball

09-25-2014, 12:30 AM

There's no way Jordan jumped higher than those guys though, and none of them have 48" verticals.

This guy touched 13 feet and even he doesn't have a 48" vertical (6'8")

http://houseofhighlights.com/wp-content/uploads/et_temp/topbboard-249208_500x350.jpeg
how do you know he doesn't have a 48" vertical?.. Do you know him personally?

secondly, lol at taking pictures of the outdoor rims - in a solid percentage of those outdoor contests, the rim is between 1 and 5 inches lower.
.

abuC

09-25-2014, 12:43 AM

first of all, how do you know he doesn't have a 48" vertical?

secondly, lol at taking pictures of the outdoor rims - in a solid percentage of those outdoor contests, the rim is between 1 and 5 inches lower.

Video of him touching 13 feet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNZic5_o4RI

Jordan is 2" shorter than him, there's no video that exists of Jordan getting as high as this guy. So, either you believe this man has a 49-52" vertical (which is insane) or you believe Jordan jumps higher than him, there's not much room for anything else.

3ball

09-25-2014, 01:12 AM

Video of him touching 13 feet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNZic5_o4RI

Jordan is 2" shorter than him, there's no video that exists of Jordan getting as high as this guy. So, either you believe this man has a 49-52" vertical (which is insane) or you believe Jordan jumps higher than him, there's not much room for anything else.
why is this so hard to understand?

if he can touch 13 feet high, than he has a 48"+ vertical!!

it's simple math.... why is it so hard to understand?

why is it so hard to accept that some guys have 48"+ verticals?

Kvnzhangyay

09-25-2014, 01:16 AM

So can we just all agree that Lebron can jump pretty high

oarabbus

09-25-2014, 01:21 AM

3ball

09-25-2014, 01:22 AM

Just show us a quality picture, and no one will doubt you.
:yaohappy:

my man... :facepalm .... :oldlol:
.

abuC

09-25-2014, 01:30 AM

why is this so hard to understand?

if he can touch 13 feet high, than he has a 48"+ vertical!!

it's simple math.... why is it so hard to understand?

why is it so hard to accept that some guys have 48"+ verticals?

You're under the assumption everyone has the same reach, his nickname is stretch which implies he has long arms.

Vyacheslav Kravtsov touched 12'4" during the 09 combine, he's 6'8" in shoes and his max vertical was 37". It would take a 45" vertical for him to touch 13 feet.

A 48"+ vertical is incredibly rare, if Jordan had a 48" vertical then you have to believe James White and Gerald Green were in the 50-54" range, and they arent.

inclinerator

09-25-2014, 01:39 AM

oarabbus

09-25-2014, 01:42 AM

3ball

09-25-2014, 01:57 AM

You're under the assumption everyone has the same reach, his nickname is stretch which implies he has long arms.

Vyacheslav Kravtsov touched 12'4" during the 09 combine, he's 6'8" in shoes and his max vertical was 37". It would take a 45" vertical for him to touch 13 feet.

A 48"+ vertical is incredibly rare, if Jordan had a 48" vertical then you have to believe James White and Gerald Green were in the 50-54" range, and they arent.
See, back in the day your disbelief of such high vertical measurements would be correct, because the only thing that was measured was a "standing" vert, which is a one-step vertical leap off two feet.

But since the introduction of the "max vert", where players can jump any way they want (they have the option of using a run-up before jumping and their choice of jumping off one or two legs) - this allows for higher vertical leap measurements... So why haven't we seen many 44"+ leaps at a combine??... There are a few reasons - firstly, most guys can't hit their head on the rim, so they wouldn't have a 44+ inch vertical anyway... Secondly, there actually HAVE been a few 44-inch+ leaps at the combine.

But the main reason for lower jumps recorded during the testing is that guys usually jump higher in games than when doing the test on the contraption, either because they are more uncomfortable, tentative, and/or embarrassed testing their leaping ability on a contraption, or because they just aren't taking it seriously anyway and focusing on playing instead.

Some guys actually practice the vertical leap test so they can look good at the combine - consequently, there are frequently instances where players have good test scores (Cody Zeller) that are better than other guys who really jump higher - this is common.

But regardless - the math is what it is - when Gerald Green gets his head well over the rim as a 6'8" player, he is executing a sub-48 inch "MAX" vertical leap - that's just the math of it..

When 6'8" Lebron has the top of his head reach the 10-foot rim, that is a 40-inch max vertical... period... what am i missing here?... nothing, right?... so when we see Lebron with his MOUTH by the rim (so his head has reached about 10'6"), that is him doing a 45-46 inch MAX vertical (for Lebron, the "max" part is important because he needs the run-up and he needs to take off one leg... no standing verts for Lebron).

In Jordan's case, we've heard about him having a 48" vertical for a while, which means that since it was measured back in the day, it was a STANDING vertical measurement - and as the previously-posted picture and clip show, he actually does execute a standing vertical jump, where his mouth is close enough to kiss the rim, so there is no room for camera deception.

eliteballer

09-25-2014, 02:05 AM

See, back in the day your disbelief of such high vertical measurements would be correct, because the only thing that was measured was a "standing" vert, which is a one-step vertical leap off two feet.

But since the introduction of the "max vert", where players can jump any way they want (they have the option of using a run-up before jumping and their choice of jumping off one or two legs) - this allows for higher vertical leap measurements... So why haven't we seen many 44"+ leaps at a combine??... There are a few reasons - firstly, most guys can't hit their head on the rim, so they wouldn't have a 44+ inch vertical anyway... Secondly, there actually HAVE been a few 44-inch+ leaps at the combine.

But the main reason for lower jumps recorded during the testing is that guys usually jump higher in games than when doing the test on the contraption, either because they are more uncomfortable, tentative, and/or embarrassed testing their leaping ability on a contraption, or because they just aren't taking it seriously anyway and focusing on playing instead.

Some guys actually practice the vertical leap test so they can look good at the combine - consequently, there are frequently instances where players have good test scores (Cody Zeller) that are better than other guys who really jump higher - this is common.

But regardless - the math is what it is - when Gerald Green gets his head well over the rim as a 6'8" player, he is executing a sub-48 inch "MAX" vertical leap - that's just the math of it..

When 6'8" Lebron has the top of his head reach the 10-foot rim, that is a 40-inch max vertical... period... what am i missing here?... nothing, right?... so when we see Lebron with his MOUTH by the rim (so his head has reached about 10'6"), that is him doing a 45-46 inch MAX vertical (for Lebron, the "max" part is important because he needs the run-up and he needs to take off one leg... no standing verts for Lebron).

In Jordan's case, we've heard about him having a 48" vertical for a while, which means that since it was measured back in the day, it was a STANDING vertical measurement - and as the previously-posted picture and clip show, he actually does execute a standing vertical jump, where his mouth is close enough to kiss the rim, so there is no room for camera deception.

Stop being stupid.

This 48 stuff is just what a bunch of internet people did to get hits on sites. You'll find a million random vertical figures for nba players on random sites.

Show me ONE respectable publication or site that lists him as having anything CLOSE to 48.

oarabbus

09-25-2014, 02:06 AM

Stop being stupid.

This 48 stuff is just what a bunch of internet people did to get hits on sites. You'll find a million random vertical figures for nba players on random sites.

Show me ONE respectable publication or site that lists him as having anything CLOSE to 48.

You'll never find it or see it, but oh, you will sure hear about it.

abuC

09-25-2014, 02:09 AM

See, back in the day your disbelief of such high vertical measurements would be correct, because the only thing that was measured was a "standing" vert, which is a one-step vertical leap off two feet.

But since the introduction of the "max vert", where players can jump any way they want (they have the option of using a run-up before jumping and their choice of jumping off one or two legs) - this allows for higher vertical leap measurements... So why haven't we seen many 44"+ leaps at a combine??... There are a few reasons - firstly, most guys can't hit their head on the rim, so they wouldn't have a 44+ inch vertical anyway... Secondly, there actually HAVE been a few 44-inch+ leaps at the combine.

But the main reason for lower jumps recorded during the testing is that guys usually jump higher in games than when doing the test on the contraption, either because they are more uncomfortable, tentative, and/or embarrassed testing their leaping ability on a contraption, or because they just aren't taking it seriously anyway and focusing on playing instead.

Some guys actually practice the vertical leap test so they can look good at the combine - consequently, there are frequently instances where players have good test scores (Cody Zeller) that are better than other guys who really jump higher - this is common.

But regardless - the math is what it is - when Gerald Green gets his head well over the rim as a 6'8" player, he is executing a sub-48 inch "MAX" vertical leap - that's just the math of it..

When 6'8" Lebron has the top of his head reach the 10-foot rim, that is a 40-inch max vertical... period... what am i missing here?... nothing, right?... so when we see Lebron with his MOUTH by the rim (so his head has reached about 10'6"), that is him doing a 45-46 inch MAX vertical (for Lebron, the "max" part is important because he needs the run-up and he needs to take off one leg... no standing verts for Lebron).

In Jordan's case, we've heard about him having a 48" vertical for a while, which means that since it was measured back in the day, it was a STANDING vertical measurement - and as the previously-posted picture and clip show, he actually does execute a standing vertical jump, where his mouth is close enough to kiss the rim, so there is no room for camera deception.

That's a ton of typing and not a single picture of Mike getting 48+ off the ground.

3ball

09-25-2014, 02:10 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

You'll never find it or see it, but oh, you will sure hear about it.
so many people say it, so it had to come from somewhere.... and since we have visual proof, i most definitely believe it.

his mouth is close enough to kiss the rim, so there can't be any camera deception...

with his mouth at rim-level, the top of his head is about 6 inches over the rim... so if i subtract 10 feet 6 inches from 6 feet 6 inches, that's 48 inches.
.

oarabbus

09-25-2014, 02:12 AM

it had to come from somewhere.... and since we have visual proof, i most definitely believe it.

his mouth is close enough to kiss the rim, so there can't be any camera deception... with his mouth at rim-level, the top of his head is about 6 inches over the rim... so if i subtract 10 feet 6 inches from 6 feet 6 inches, that's 48 inches.

Yes, good, that picture sounds perfect. It will accurately prove MJ has a vert on par with LeBron.

So where is this picture?

edit: oh THAT picture that proves nothing :facepalm:

tpols

09-25-2014, 02:15 AM

Who cares who had the higher vertical between jordan and lebron?

Facts are MJ used his vertical to posterize big guys way more than lebron did(despite being smaller), and was better aesthetically while flying through the air.. noting else matters.

3ball

09-25-2014, 02:16 AM

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7a0dfd2c3a222ad713c51357c3ed3316.jpeg

the most amazing thing about all the people hating on this picture, is that it couldn't be more obvious that Jordan's mouth is wide open and right by the rim.

look at where the defender is relative to jordan's coattails.. look how both arms are BENT, yet he's still super-high above the square..

:facepalm .... ya'll some haters

oarabbus

09-25-2014, 02:27 AM

http://i.imgur.com/6iB3KqH.png

3ball

09-25-2014, 02:32 AM

http://i.imgur.com/6iB3KqH.png
wow, thanks... awesome.. that shows his eyes and nose both completely clear the rim.

there are clearer shots of this you know - they are in fast motion, but i could retrieve them and you could blow the picture up the same way.

CavaliersFTW

09-25-2014, 02:35 AM

wow, thanks... awesome.. that shows his eyes and nose both completely clear the rim.

there are clearer shots of this you know - they are in fast motion, but i could retrieve them and you could blow the picture up the same way.
well... it kind of actually shows that his head is below the rim, look at the line he drew to illustrate the perspective.

3ball

09-25-2014, 02:36 AM

wow, thanks... awesome.. that shows his eyes and nose both completely clear the rim.

there are clearer shots of this you know - they are in fast motion, but i could retrieve them and you could blow the picture up the same way.

well... it kind of actually shows that his head is below the rim, look at the line he drew to illustrate the perspective.
his line shows perspective??.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

:yaohappy:

3ball

09-25-2014, 02:42 AM

there is another way to measure jordan's vert in that picture.

3ball

09-25-2014, 02:42 AM

http://i.imgur.com/6iB3KqH.png

here's another way to measure Jordan's vertical in this picture.

look at his feet in the picture - they are in the middle of the defenders chest...

the defender is in a slightly bent position, but it is safe to say that from the ground to the middle of the defenders chest is going to be in the range of AT LEAST 4 feet... amirite?

3ball

09-25-2014, 03:32 AM

http://i.imgur.com/DSNp0mM.jpg

I'd say it's close to 40 inches. But again, awful awful perspective.

About the dunk above, who cares really - the picture posted shows Jordan on the way down and it's a dunk contest where he is turning halfway to the side - I think 42+ inches is pretty impressive for that.

But anyway, nice way to change the topic from the 48" STANDING vertical that has been enlarged and proved a 2nd way for further validity, below.

http://i.imgur.com/6iB3KqH.png

3ball

09-25-2014, 03:44 AM

This.

All he has is one obscure pic (which isn't even close to 42 inches, let alone 48). :facepalm
any post that denies the obvious truth shown blatantly itt (even enlarged for you thanks to oarrabus) makes it look like you can't do simple math.

VengefulAngel

09-25-2014, 03:52 AM

any post that denies the obvious truth shown blatantly itt (even enlarged for you thanks to oarrabus) makes it look like you can't do simple math.

Thank you for summarising your idiocy.

3ball

09-25-2014, 03:54 AM

Thank you for summarising your idiocy.
you blind?... the picture was enlarged.

thanks to oarrabus, it's even more obvious than before that jordan's eyes and nose clear the rim.... thanks oarrabus... :applause:

VengefulAngel

09-25-2014, 04:02 AM

you blind?... the picture was enlarged.

thanks to oarrabus, it's even more obvious than before that jordan's eyes and nose clear the rim.... thanks oarrabus... :applause:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191940

While looking for a new avatar, I found this pretty interesting website that measured Jordan's and Vince's vertical through video analysis. So far I only found Vince and Jordan, but they also do video analysis for other sports.

http://videosportsanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/08/measuring-michael-jordans-1987-slam.html

Apparently Jordan had a 41.3" vertical for the dunk they measured, and Vince had a 37.6.

Vince's vertical is listed at I believe 43" and Jordan was listed at 48", and in a way the video analysis makes it seem more legit to me, considering they weren't jumping comfortably way up under the proper conditions, but doing complicated dunks.

Here's the Vince Carter analysis. Hopefully they'll do more NBA players in the future.

http://videosportsanalysis.blogspot.com/search/label/Vince%20Carter

This was in 2010.

You posted that this dunk had a 44 inch vertical when in fact it was 41 inches, this clearly shows your lack of credibility. How can we possibly expect any of your other interpretations to be accurate..

Warfan

09-25-2014, 09:29 AM

Durant got a bit of a boost from Blatche on that missed dunk.

Trollsmasher

09-25-2014, 10:08 AM

http://i.imgur.com/6iB3KqH.png
:applause:

AlphaWolf24

09-25-2014, 01:15 PM

through the info posted....I calculated it to within 1/16th of an inch

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/bb2_zps4135de75.jpg

riseagainst

09-25-2014, 02:20 PM

through the info posted....I calculated it to within 1/16th of an inch

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/bb2_zps4135de75.jpg

so Kobe has the lowest vertical yet he is the GOAT.
:bowdown: you have been trolled

Baller1986

09-25-2014, 02:41 PM

Bron is still a beast at age 29.

eliteballer

09-29-2014, 10:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHCyHEnOroE

3ball

09-29-2014, 10:55 PM

Bron is still a beast at age 29.
The problem with this thread is that Lebron is a pretty average leaper off of two legs.. So this thread doesn't really make any sense

The guy shown below showing severe lack of explosion off of two feet is supposed to be a great leaper?.... Not without a run-up first so he can take off one leg, that's for sure... In EVERY other situation, he's quite average - the play below cost his team that game.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Lebron_Stuffed_after_Jumping_o_3ab12cd053656a6016f 9ea4e26ad4fa5.gif

Compare that to Jordan in the same spot.... it's not even close... and that's not some stiff, that's Shaq.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif

inclinerator

09-29-2014, 10:58 PM

The problem with this thread is that Lebron is a pretty average leaper off of two legs.. So this thread doesn't really make any sense

The guy shown below showing severe lack of explosion off of two feet is supposed to be a great leaper?.... Not without a run-up first so he can take off one leg, that's for sure... In EVERY other situation, he's quite average - the play below cost his team that game.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Lebron_Stuffed_after_Jumping_o_3ab12cd053656a6016f 9ea4e26ad4fa5.gif

Compare that to Jordan in the same spot.... it's not even close... and that's not some stiff, that's Shaq.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif

one guy went for the block one didnt

here's one where someone went for the block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI1ewT5RiVQ

iTare

09-29-2014, 11:02 PM

**** LeShit, that's the only overrated piece of shitty ass player I hate.. Why?

1. After a huge loss against the Orlando Magic in the Eastern Conference Final, he didn't shake hands to the winning team and bitch out like a crybaby and yet fans still call him "King James?" More like Queen James.

2. A sophomore college kid dunk over LeShit James, and nike confiscated a ****ing tape of LeShit getting dunk over by a Xavier college boy.

3. No kids should look up to LeShit as a role model.

3ball

09-29-2014, 11:12 PM

one guy went for the block one didnt

here's one where someone went for the block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI1ewT5RiVQ

For every block that you post of a big man on Jordan, I will post Jordan dunking over that big man 3 times... THAT'S how many posters MJ had over bigs...

Where are Lebron's posters over Hibbert?

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Posterizes_Davi_b26c1c727cb20805d5f e6d431f5750c3.gif
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Hard_on_Robinson_f5b81b99e4f7c61e02dbac531e d53f11.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Dunks_on_Robinson_c233e16f2455c3b4435410086 f39ee7f.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Dunks_on_Robinson_d52b5622ebe593178e00a4ab0 fba7b7e.gif

pethuel03

09-30-2014, 01:37 AM

yarrak

09-30-2014, 02:18 AM

The problem with this thread is that Lebron is a pretty average leaper off of two legs.. So this thread doesn't really make any sense

The guy shown below showing severe lack of explosion off of two feet is supposed to be a great leaper?.... Not without a run-up first so he can take off one leg, that's for sure... In EVERY other situation, he's quite average - the play below cost his team that game.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Lebron_Stuffed_after_Jumping_o_3ab12cd053656a6016f 9ea4e26ad4fa5.gif

Compare that to Jordan in the same spot.... it's not even close... and that's not some stiff, that's Shaq.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeuJzE9XaE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PwCmkkOi5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IebV2FbqaNg

I can post a shit ton of videos like that so..

Just stfu already.

Lebron is also a lot heavier than Jordan... If he was skinny as **** like Jordan, he'd be a lot more explosive.

oarabbus

09-30-2014, 02:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeuJzE9XaE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PwCmkkOi5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IebV2FbqaNg

I can post a shit ton of videos like that so..

Just stfu already.

Lebron is also a lot heavier than Jordan... If he was skinny as **** like Jordan, he'd be a lot more explosive.

Those are nice, but this:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2746093/leblockepic.gif

is crazy. That's a 7' 260lb center that he just absolutely denies.

http://i.bullfax.com/imgs/e13268528e28ec5b18338331a7750b0505650cc7.jpg

He got the boost on this but still nice

http://i.bullfax.com/imgs/e20598c2ea5829695ecb3ff6312e6c6afb71149d.jpg

http://media.giphy.com/media/zyum1eBlQfW2Q/giphy.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/8bd3bcecad8356b3cf1965d0a1cce62d/tumblr_mo0aptnqqc1r5ndk1o1_400.gif

http://33.media.tumblr.com/447e449069f9dc1c38a8e8525f7cfed0/tumblr_mtneizBaPW1rk0szbo1_400.gif

3ball

09-30-2014, 03:33 AM

and yet where are Lebron's posters over his nemisis hibbert?

where are his posters off two legs in the half court going straight up with no momentum, dribbles or run-up?... Jordan has a ton... but why none for Lebron??

....they are nowhere to be found, because for all of Lebron's "Air" off one leg, he lacks explosion off of two.

he's barely gets over a phone book here and it cost his team the game... :confusedshrug:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Lebron_Stuffed_after_Jumping_o_3ab12cd053656a6016f 9ea4e26ad4fa5.gif

CeltsGarlic

09-30-2014, 03:38 AM

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1115621/lebron-dunks-on-damon-jones-o.gif

off 2 feet and pretty damn devastating

3ball

09-30-2014, 03:43 AM

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1115621/lebron-dunks-on-damon-jones-o.gif

off 2 feet and pretty damn devastating
running full speed, in transition, over a 6-footer.... :applause:

wanna cookie?

lebron's reaction to conquering the little man tells you how rare it is.. :rolleyes:

CeltsGarlic

09-30-2014, 03:48 AM

running full speed, in transition, over a 6-footer.... :applause:

wanna cookie?

lebron's reaction to conquering the little man tells you how rare it is.. :rolleyes:
I was more about elevation

3ball

09-30-2014, 03:52 AM

I was more about elevation
Oh ok.. his elevation is okay there when he's running full speed, but the point was that he doesn't get good elevation when he DOESN'T have a run-up and has to go straight up.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Lebron_Stuffed_after_Jumping_o_3ab12cd053656a6016f 9ea4e26ad4fa5.gif
.

3ball

09-30-2014, 03:53 AM

.
In this one, not only is Lebron not quick enough to beat Tiago to the spot, but he goes up weak off two feet and can't dunk it.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Tiago_Beats_Lebron_to_Spot_Leb_2d51dd9926d3c1cf8c5 bc8a47ecc0f04.gif

Otoh, here's Jordan in the exact same spot (two dribbles left then jumpstop)..

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67 d426c26375b8c.gif

like night and day the difference in explosion off two feet.. :confusedshrug:

pauk

09-30-2014, 06:10 AM

^ While its true Lebron gets his max vert of one leg (left leg, sprint takeof), there is a significant difference compared to his two leg takeofs, Julius Erving & James White "syndrome".... but in that gif Lebron changes direction more compared to the MJ one, he drives left & then jumps from left of the defender to the right side for the lay in, there was no straight path at the rim... Jordan drives left & then straight ahead towards the rim with enough space/room/momentum for any type of sprint takeof & then there is a path at the rim as the defender is not jumping infront of him, he didnt have to jump somewhere else...

3ball

09-30-2014, 07:02 AM

... Lebron changes direction more compared to the MJ one, he drives left & then jumps from left of the defender to the right side for the lay in, there was no straight path at the rim....

Jordan had actually mastered various footwork, so he could do more sophisticated moves and was seemless enough with the moves to still be able to dunk at the end of them... (i.e. Lebron is more off-balance - he can't gather quickly all in one motion and still go up strong enough to dunk, so he has to lay it up).

Here's goat change of direction from MJ with sophisticated footwork (one of a kind really), and then the poster.

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_goat_skill_with_th_49b2a4037f09108b778 ba633988021f0.gif

...leaves MJ with a clean path to the rim/not impeded at all. Also, the big underneath comes out/tries to recover from a further distance and is late....

Here's Jordan dunking on TWO Hall-of-Famers (Dominique and Moses Malone) the same way as Lebron's weak layup on Tiago (two dribbles left, then jumpstop)...

Reggie Theus impedes on the penetration and the two defenders at the rim were WAITING at the rim.. so they were early, not late.

Is that good enough?... :confusedshrug:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/jordan_on_dominique_bee66ca7d5a73e1d21472382674cc2 af.gif
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Dominique_and_Mose_6ff5a043976a6ce3be6 3214630bd4bbc.gif

lilteapot

09-30-2014, 07:23 AM

Yeah, Lebron jumps the highest when he's off ball trying to catch oops. he's a one legged dunker so naturally he doesn't get much explosion off of two feet. generally speaking when you're trying to dunk from a jump stop your vertical will be obviously lower than it would be if you have momentum behind you.

and lmao get real. lebron was in no position to dunk that ball over splitter. seriously do you jordan lovers watch every Lebron play and think about how Jordan would do it differently?

ArbitraryWater

09-30-2014, 09:51 AM

Omg, 3ball posting gifs of way easier & different situations :facepalm

LOL at his first one in the reply.. MJ on a free path to the basket

swagga

09-30-2014, 10:40 AM

mario chalmers passing :lol :lol :lol :lol niggga thinks high is always the right choice :roll:

raiderfan19

09-30-2014, 11:27 AM

For the record you know Jordan travels in that first gif right.

theaussieguy

09-30-2014, 11:46 AM

Hoopz2332

09-30-2014, 12:03 PM

Nothing wrong with LBJ's 2 foot leaping ability. You can see it one of the dunks in this gif

http://i33.tinypic.com/t70n5w.gif

shallehalle

09-30-2014, 12:19 PM

Nothing wrong with LBJ's 2 foot leaping ability. You can see it one of the dunks in this gif

http://i33.tinypic.com/t70n5w.gif
this also shows LBJ has/had a good jumping ability with both legs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84tPm6yJX04

Hoopz2332

09-30-2014, 12:32 PM

this also shows LBJ has/had a good jumping ability with both legs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84tPm6yJX04

the power:biggums:

LBJ 23

09-30-2014, 12:39 PM

Don't compare Lebron to Jordan when it comes to jumping off two legs. MJ gets up much higher while Lebron's strength is jumping off one leg with a running start. MJ is more comparable to VC, Griffin, Green,..

Also can't understand why you guys arguing with that 3ball guy. He's the master of posting gif's to suit his agenda and try to sell them as facts even though the reality is totally different.

oarabbus

09-30-2014, 01:35 PM

its blatantly obvious to anyone who has seen some MJ highlight vids that his 2 footed jumping ability far surpasses that of...basically anyone...heck his dunking ability in general.

Jordan could get off his feet more easily than anyone ive ever seen. It was so effortless.

This is why no one like Jordan mythologists. Is he GOAT? Yes. Is he an incredible dunker? Yes.

Is he the greatest two footed leaper of all time, and greatest dunker of all time?

:facepalm

theaussieguy

09-30-2014, 07:59 PM

This is why no one like Jordan mythologists. Is he GOAT? Yes. Is he an incredible dunker? Yes.

Is he the greatest two footed leaper of all time, and greatest dunker of all time?

:facepalm

show where I once said he was the GOAT dunker? :hammerhead:

OldSchoolBBall

09-30-2014, 08:00 PM

http://giant.gfycat.com/WelloffMilkyDouglasfirbarkbeetle.gif

http://giant.gfycat.com/DistinctHandsomeGalapagosdove.gif

"Most powerful dunk I've ever seen" :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: RIP rim :eek:

lol @ the 20" vert off of two feet. :oldlol:

For comparison's sake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EN6BDSASJs#t=3m46s

OldSchoolBBall

09-30-2014, 09:37 PM

LOL at comparing a 190lb twig vs a 265lb freight train. :oldlol:

MJ at 225+lbs:

http://giant.gfycat.com/ShabbyInbornAnkolewatusi.gif

More like MJ at 40. And Jordan was 205-210 in 1991.

chazzy

09-30-2014, 09:47 PM

Yeah Lebron's 2 foot leap isn't insane like his one foot. Big difference between the two jumps

3ball

10-01-2014, 01:21 AM

http://giant.gfycat.com/WelloffMilkyDouglasfirbarkbeetle.gif

Just the very fact that someone had to resort to Olympic play versus STIFFS to find Lebron dunks off two feet lets you know how much less of a dunker he is than Jordan.

Jordan had more chest-to-chest posters than any other wing ever (other than Dr. J)...

So it's EASY to find Jordan posters.. For example, here's 105 chest-to-chest posters, mostly in the halfcourt... :confusedshrug:

Top 15 MJ Dunks Over Multiple Contesting Defenders (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40414797#p40414797)
Random Posters 1 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10508118&postcount=237)
Random Posters 2 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512996&postcount=255)
Random Posters 3 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10487292&postcount=48)
Random Posters 4 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10494322&postcount=198)
Random Posters 5 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10513143&postcount=256)
Random Posters 6 (for 6) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10273035&postcount=86)
Old-Man Chest-to-Chest Posters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512074&postcount=27)
Partial Collection of MJ Dunks Over All-Time Great Centers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40382395#p40382395)
Various Two-Handed Posters Over Defenders (two-foot takeoffs) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441991&postcount=40)

SamuraiSWISH

10-01-2014, 02:03 AM

Did you measure him before or after breakfast? Alright lets give MJ 208.. still very much light weight brah.
You posted a GIF of MJ at 39 years old weighing career heaviest 225 to make the assertion MJ's leaping ability sucked? Can you be more delusional, or agenda driven?

CavaliersFTW

10-01-2014, 02:21 AM

http://i.imgur.com/u5vfUe2.jpg

200 imho.
Is it just me or does he look really bald in that pic? Like, he went a day or two without shaving his head and some stuble came in on the sides and the top of his head has absolutely none to speak of, when was this pic taken!? :biggums:

oarabbus

10-01-2014, 02:50 AM

You posted a GIF of MJ at 39 years old weighing career heaviest 225 to make the assertion MJ's leaping ability sucked? Can you be more delusional, or agenda driven?

We have evidence of LeBron getting higher than Jordan ever did, and we have dozens and dozens of Jordan posters to prove his incredible in-game leaping ability.
I don't understand why people can't acknowledge the greatness of both players.

3ball

10-01-2014, 02:52 AM

I don't understand why people can't acknowledge the greatness of both players :biggums:
who's not acknowledging they are great?

they are both great.

Jordan is just much greater... :confusedshrug:

Jordan's superior dunking (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10540942#post10540942) is just one area... there's another thread about how Lebron's plus-minus declines when playing alongside talent while Jordan's didnt.... there are tons of reasons... the stats... the Finals... you name it.

Also, we have all seen the picture of Jordan mouth-level with the rim, which is the same jumping peak that Lebron has, and since Jordan is two inches shorter, that means he jumps two inches higher.
.

3ball

10-01-2014, 04:55 AM

So basically.. MJ never attempted -after a two foot gather- a layup.. and dunks every single possession. amiright? :facepalm:

If I wanted to, I could easily find a clip where MJ does the same move and resorts to a layup. But that would be petty/pointless.

I only used dunks because they visually demonstrate in the most definitive way that Jordan goes up stronger off two feet... But he goes up stronger for ALL two-foot leaps, including those that he doesn't dunk... I figured this would already be obvious.

Also, 2 points is 2 points.. LeBron is among the best finishers there ever was.

Except his finishing capability is far less diverse and he finishes in far fewer ways than Jordan did, which makes him a worse finisher and it weakens him as a player in comparison to Jordan...

This is just a fact, and THAT'S why it's important - it's part of a myriad of reasons Lebron doesn't perform as well as MJ (i.e. 6/6 vs 2/5, etc, etc).

Stop Nitpicking

Nitpicking??.... C'mon, we both know Jordan was the better dunker and had less fear dunking on guys...

Here's 105 chest-to-chest posters right here from which to "nitpick"... they are from less than half his games... This is CHEST-TO-CHEST ONLY, so literally 95% of his dunks aren't included here... #realtalk

Top 15 MJ Dunks Over Multiple Contesting Defenders (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40414797#p40414797)
Random Posters 1 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10508118&postcount=237)
Random Posters 2 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512996&postcount=255)
Random Posters 3 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10487292&postcount=48)
Random Posters 4 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10494322&postcount=198)
Random Posters 5 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10513143&postcount=256)
Random Posters 6 (for 6) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10273035&postcount=86)
Old-Man Chest-to-Chest Posters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512074&postcount=27)
Partial Collection of MJ Dunks Over All-Time Great Centers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40382395#p40382395)
Various Two-Handed Posters Over Defenders (two-foot takeoffs) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441991&postcount=40)

Jordan is a MUCH better leaper off two feet... and an equal leaper off one foot... that means he's a better leaper overall and the much higher volume of in-game posters supports that.