Bellamy vs. Wilt Career H2H's

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Thanks to nbastats.net, more-and-more information has been forth-coming, and while there is still much more research that is being done, we have some substantial numbers on the 89 career regular season H2H games, and the 10 playoff H2H games, involving the 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy, and Wilt Chamberlain.

Also interesting is the fact that there is now some solid stats regarding FG%'s, especially from the 66-67 seasons, on.

Here we go:

61-62 season. Bellamy averaged 31.6 ppg, 19.0 rpg, and shot .519 from the field against the entire NBA. Chamberlain averaged 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rpg, and shot .506 against the league.

10 H2H games:

Bellamy: 34.7 ppg, 19.0 rpg (9 known games), and no known FG% games
Wilt: 52.7 ppg, 27.6 rpg, .501 FG%

Chamberlain outscored Bellamy in 9 of those 10 H2H's. Bellamy did have high games of 44, 45, and 47 points, but Wilt outscored him in all three. Wilt's high games were 50, 51, 55, 55, 61, 61, and 73 points.

Wilt outrebounded Bellamy in their known games, 8-1. Bellamy had six games of 20+, with a high of 27. Chamberlain had seven games of 20+, including five games of 30+, with highs of 36, 36, and 38 rebounds.

Incidently, in Wilt's 73 point game, he also grabbed 36 rebounds, and shot 29-48 from the field, to Bellamy's 35 points and 23 rebounds. Imagine scoring 35 points in a game, and getting outscored by 38 points!

And for those that scoff at Wilt's defense, in 10 H2H games with Russell, Bellamy averaged 33.2 ppg, and 20.9 rpg (Russell averaged 21.3 ppg, 17.2 rpg.) He outscored Russell in 9 of their 10 games, and outrebounded Russell by a 7-2 margin (in their nine known games.) Included were games of 41 and 47 points against Russell.


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62-63.

Bellamy averaged 27.9 ppg, 16.4 rpg, and shot .527 from the field against the NBA.

Wilt averaged 44.8 ppg, 24.3 rpg, and shot .528 against the league.


10 H2H's:

Bellamy: 29.7 ppg, 19.6 rpg (7 known games), and no known FG% games.
Wilt: 42.8 ppg, 25.1 rpg (9 known), .544 FG% (7 known games)

Amazingly, Wilt held a 9-0-1 scoring margin in those 10 games. Bellamy had games of 37, 38, and 46 points against Chamberlain, while Wilt had games of 50, 51, 54, and 57 against Bells.

Wilt also enjoyed a 6-0-1 margin on the glass in their known H2H's. Bellamy had high games of 21, 21, 21, 21, and 22 rebounds, while Chamberlain's highs were 27, 28, and 37.

As a comparison, in 9 H2H games in 62-63, Bellamy averaged 30.3 ppg, and 19.0 rpg against Russell (Russell was at 16.6 ppg, 22.0 rpg, and on a .314 FG% in his known H2H's.) Overall, Bellamy held a 9-0 scoring margin over Russell, and the two went 2-2-1 in their known rebounding H2H's.


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63-64:

Bellamy averaged 27.0 ppg, 17.0 rpg, and shot .513 against the NBA.
Chamberlain averaged 36.9 ppg, 22.3 rpg, and shot .524 from the floor against the league.

10 H2H's:

Bellamy: 23.3 ppg, 15.2 rpg (9 known), no known FG% games
Wilt: 35.0 ppg, 21.3 rpg, .511 FG% (4 known games.)

Again, Wilt held a staggering 9-1 scoring margin, which included three straight beat-downs by margins of 49-36, 43-19, and an unfathomable 44-5 margin (Bellamy did have 16 rebounds in that game.) Bellamy had two games of 36 against Wilt.

Chamberlain held a 7-2 margin in rebounding H2H's. Bellamy's high game was 22, while Wilt had a high game of 34.

BTW, Bellamy averaged 24.9 ppg against Russell, which included a 45 point game.


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64-65.

Bellamy averaged 24.8 ppg, 14.6 rpg, and on a .509 FG% against the NBA.
Wilt averaged 34.7 ppg, 22.9 rpg, and shot .510 against the league.

9 H2H games:

Bellamy: 26.3 ppg, 14.1 rpg (7 known), no known FG% games
Wilt: 38.3 ppg, 21.7 rpg (8 known games), and on a .547 FG% (8 known)

Wilt held a 7-2 scoring margin over Bellamy. Bellamy had 4 games of 30+ against Wilt, with a high of 37. Chamberlain had highs of 40, 43, 51, 53, and 56 points against Bellamy.

Wilt won the known rebounding H2H's by a 5-1 margin. Bellamy's high game against Wilt was 21, while Chamberlain had highs of 28, 28, and 29.

BTW, Bellamy averaged 25.8 ppg and 15.8 rpg against Russell.

[L.Kizzle]

Do you have Zelmo Beaty stats? Most underrated center of the 60s.

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65-66.

Bellamy, playing alongside Willis Reed, averaged 22.8 ppg, 15.7 rpg, and shot .506.
Wilt averaged 33.5 ppg, 24.6 rpg, and shot .540 from the field against the league.

11 H2H games:

Bellamy: 25.2 ppg, 16.4 rpg, and no known FG% games
Wilt: 33.0 ppg, 19.8 rpg, .565 FG% (every game BTW)

Chamberlain held a 9-1-1 scoring margin. Bellamy had games of 36 and 39 points. Wilt had highs of 37, 38, and 50 points.

Wilt won the rebounding battles by a 9-2 margin. Bellamy had high games of 22 and 24 rebounds. Wilt had highs of 25 and 26 rebounds.


BTW, Bellamy averaged 23.8 ppg, 17.8 rpg, and shot .476 in his 9 known H2H's with Russell.


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[Psileas]

Bellamy was white doe, right? :confusedshrug:

[senelcoolidge]

Off topic, but today I met a lady that met Wilt Chamberlain in person. She was a big Miami Heat fan, she's originally from Miami. Than she asked me who I thought was the best player ever. I said Wilt Chamberlain and that is when she told me the story of how she met him once. She was a waitress and Wilt came in to eat. It wasn't her table but she talked the other waitress into letting her wait Wilt's table. She told me how he was huge, an incredible physical specimen. She didn't talk to him...probably shyness, but he said thank you to her after the meal. This was during his playing days. I thought that so cool. She actually met Wilt.

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66-67 season.

Bellamy averaged 19.0 ppg, 13.5 rpg, and shot .521 from the field (and #2 in the league.)

Wilt averaged 24.1 ppg, 24.2 rpg, and shot .683 from the field against the NBA (and 7.8 apg, as well.)


This is where is gets even more interesting. nbastats.net now has many of Bellamy's FG% games against Wilt.

9 H2H's:

Bellamy: 23.2 ppg, 15.9 rpg, and shot .449 (7 known games.)
Wilt: 22.7 ppg, 25.7 rpg, and on a .709 FG%.

Even with Bellamy finally outscoring Wilt over a course of a full season (and being badly outshot from the field in the process), Chamberlain still held a 5-3-1 scoring margin. Bellamy's high game was 34 points (on 14-26 shooting), while Wilt's high game was 35 (on 15-18 shooting.)

Chamberlain held a 7-0 margin in known rebounding H2H's. Bellamy's high game was 22. Wilt had highs of 30 and 33 (outrebounding Bellamy by margins of 33-17 and 30-9 in those two games.)

BTW, Bellamy averaged 18.9 ppg in his nine H2H's with Russell, and in the three known games, he shot .513 from the floor against him.

As a sidenote, Chamberlain and Thurmond went H2H in six games, and Wilt outscored Thurmond by a 20.8 ppg to 13.0 ppg margin. He also shot a staggering .633 from the field in those six H2H's with Thurmond. Meanwhile, in the four known games, Chamberlain held Thurmond to a .308 FG%.

[LAZERUSS]

Bellamy was white doe, right? :confusedshrug:

And 6-5 too.

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67-68 season.

Bellamy averaged 16.7 ppg, 11.7 rpg, and shot .541 from the field against the NBA.
Chamberlain averaged 24.3 ppg, 23.8 rpg, and shot .595 against the league.

8 Regular Season H2H's:

Bellamy: 20.6 ppg, 15.8 rpg, and on a .451 FG% (7 known)
Wilt: 22.7 ppg, 20.5 rpg, and on a .586 FG%.

Chamberlain held a slight 4-3-1 scoring margin. Bellamy's high game was 30 points. Wilt's high was 27 points. Wilt owned Bellamy on the glass, 7-1. Bellamy's high game was 21 rebounds, while Wilt had six games of 20+, with highs of 26 and 27 rebounds.

BTW, Bellamy averaged 14.8 ppg in his 8 H2H's with Russell, and in the known four, he shot .429 from the field.


67-68 Playoffs. 6 H2H's:

Bellamy: 20.0 ppg, 16.0 rpg, and on a .421 FG%
Wilt: 25.5 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and on a .584 FG%.

Wilt and Bellamy tied 3-3 in scoring, but Wilt held a large margin in his high games, including a 37 point, 29 rebound, 17-29 FG/FGA game in which he held Bellamy to 14 points, 15 rebounds, and 4-14 shooting. Wilt won the rebounding H2H's by a 5-0-1 margin. Bellamy's high game was 22, while Wilt had games of 24, 27, 27, and 29 rebounds. BTW, Chamberlain led BOTH teams in scoring, rebounding, assists, and FG%.

[iamgine]

Heard Bellamy was a terrible defender.

Terrible because in addition of not having the adequate skill to defend, he didn't have the effort either. Kinda like Nash if Nash didn't give any effort.

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68-69 season.

Bellamy averaged 17.4 ppg, 12.5 rpg, and shot .510 from the field against the NBA.
Chamberlain averaged 20.5 ppg, 21.1 rpg, and shot .583 from the floor against the league.

9 H2H's:

Bellamy: 19.1 ppg, 15.7 rpg (7 known), .433 FG% (4 known)
Wilt: 23.2 ppg, 22.3 rpg (8 known), .745 FG% (8 known)

Wilt won the scoring battles, 7-2. Bellamy's high game was 24 points. Wilt had highs of 29 and 34 points (on 14-14 from the field BTW.)

Chamberlain won the rebounding H2H's by a 5-1 margin in their six known H2H's. Bellamy did have games of 21, 21, and even 28 rebounds. Wilt's highs were 25, 25, 27, and 27.

[LAZERUSS]

Heard Bellamy was a terrible defender.

Terrible because in addition of not having the adequate skill to defend, he didn't have the effort either. Kinda like Nash if Nash didn't give any effort.

He may have been a relatively poor defender, but at his peak, Bellamy was plastering a prime Russell on the offensive end.

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69-70.

Wilt blew out his knee in the ninth game of the season, and did not face Bellamy in the regular season.

Chamberlain came back only a few months after major knee surgery, and led his Lakers to a 4-0 series romp over Bellamy's Hawks...albeit, in a poor series for Chamberlain. Perhaps the worst playoff series of his career.

Bellamy: 20.0 ppg, 15.5 rpg, and no known FG% games.
Wilt: 17.3 ppg, 22.0 rpg, and on a .413 FG% (!)

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70-71 season.

Bellamy averaged 14.7 ppg, 12.9 rpg, and shot .493 against the NBA.
Chamberlain, less than a year removed from major knee surgery, and now 34 years old, averaged 20.7 ppg, 18.3 rpg, and shot .545 against the league. Arguably the worst season in Wilt's career.

5 H2H's:

Bellamy: 14.4 ppg, 15.5 rpg (4 known games) and no known FG% games.
Wilt: 19.8 ppg, 22.4 rpg, .443 FG%.

Not much to write home about. Neither player played well against each other, but Wilt was playing on a surgically repaired knee.

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71-72 season.

Bellamy had a resurgance, and averaged 18.6 ppg, 12.8 rpg, and shot a career high .545 from the field.
Chamberlain averaged 14.8 ppg, 19.2 rpg, and shot .649 from the floor against the NBA.

5 H2H's:

Bellamy: 20.0 ppg, 15.0 rpg, and .424 FG%
Wilt: 13.4 ppg, 17.6 rpg, and on a .614 FG%

Chamberlain's defense against Bellamy continued to be impressive. In a season in which Bellamy shot .545 against the NBA, in all of his H2H's with Wilt... a .424 FG%.

[iamgine]

He may have been a relatively poor defender, but at his peak, Bellamy was plastering a prime Russell on the offensive end.
Offense was very good obviously. Defense though, not relatively poor but just plain terrible. So terrible that "relatively poor" can be seen as a huge praise.

Now this is just what I heard.

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72-73.

Wilt's last season.

Bellamy averaged 16.1 ppg, 13.0 rpg, and shot .505 against the NBA.
Wilt averaged 13.2 ppg, 18.6 rpg, and shot .727 from the field against the league.

4 H2H's:

Bellamy: 17.0 ppg, 18.0 rpg (2 known games), .400 FG% (2 known games.)
Wilt: 9.8 ppg, 20.5 rpg, and on a .593 FG%.


And as a side-note:

In his LAST season:


Chamberlain, at age 36, and in his LAST season vs the best centers in the league:


Vs. Cowens in 4 H2H's:

Cowens: 31.3 ppg, 19.8 rpg, .454 FG%

Wilt: 14.3 ppg, 14.5 rpg, .588 FG%



vs. Reed in 3 regular season H2H's:

Reed: 12.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, .471 FG%

Wilt: 6.3 ppg, 23.3 rpg, .529 FG%

vs. Reed in 5 Finals' H2H's:

Reed: 16.4 ppg, 9.2 rpg, .493 FG%

Wilt: 11.6 ppg, 18.6 rpg, .525 FG%


vs. Bellamy in 4 H2H's:

Bellamy: 17.0 ppg, 18.0 rpg ( 2 known games), .400 FG% (2 known game)

Wilt: 9.8 ppg, 20.5 rpg, .593 FG%


vs. Unseld in 4 H2H's:

Unseld: 12.8 ppg, 15.3 rpg, .481 FG%

Wilt: 12.8 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .769 FG%


vs. McAdoo in 4 H2H's:

McAdoo: 16.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, .450 FG% (3 known games)

Wilt: 20.5 ppg, 21.3 rpg, .850 FG%


vs. Thurmond in 7 regular season H2H's:

Thurmond: 12.3 ppg, 21.6 rpg, .315 FG%

Wilt: 5.1 ppg, 16.6 rpg, .684 FG%

vs. Thurmond in 5 playoff H2H's:

Thurmond: 15.8 ppg, 17.2 rpg, .373 FG%

Wilt: 7.0 ppg, 23.6 rpg, .611 FG%


vs. Lanier in 6 H2H's:

Lanier: 21.2 ppg, 13.4 rpg (5 known games), .374 FG% (5 known games)

Wilt: 19.8 ppg, 16.3 rpg, .764 FG%



vs. Kareem in 6 H2H's:

Kareem: 29.5 ppg, 17.8 rpg, .450 FG%

Wilt: 11.0 ppg, 16.0 rpg, .737 FG%

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain's dominance of Bellamy was just unfathomable. And it was over the course of 12 seasons and 99 career H2H games.

Arguably the most dominant career by all-time great center against another.

[LAZERUSS]

Hopefully nbaststats will continue to update the boxscores of the 60's. In any case, what we now know for sure, was that Wilt was just an overwhelming defender. In his known H2H's with a Bellamy who was among the best offensive players of the 60's, he DRAMATICALLY lowered his efficiency...just as he would Thurmond, Russell, and later Kareem and Lanier.

A mid-60's Wilt was probably the greatest one-on-one defensive center in NBA history (and I think Thurmond was second BTW...and both ahead of Russell.) And he was certainly the greatest "rim-protector" of all-time, as well.

[LAZERUSS]

In his '67 season, Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA.
Against Wilt? .449

In his '68 season, Bellamy shot .541 against the NBA.
Against Wilt in his regular season H2H's... .451. And against Wilt in his six playoff games... .421.

In his '69 season, Bellamy shot .510 against the NBA.
Against Wilt? .433

In his '72 season, Bellamy shot .545 against the NBA.
Against Wilt? .424.

And in his '73 season, Bellamy shot .505 against the NBA.
Against Wilt? .400.


And those are not "cherry-picked" games, either, but every KNOWN game we have.

I'll post the Russell-Wilt, Reed-Wilt, and Thurmond-Wilt H2H's from the 60's sometime tomorrow. Just an absolute BLANKET on those guys.

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain's H2H defense throughout his career...

How about against Russell in all of their known H2H games?

'59-60: Russell shot .467 against the NBA.
11 Regular season H2H's against Wilt: .393
6 Playoff games against Wilt: .446

'60-61: Russell shot .426 against the NBA.
13 regular season H2H's against Wilt: .398

'61-62: Russell shot .457 against the NBA.
10 regular season games against Wilt: .383
7 Playoff H2H's against Wilt: .399

'62-63: Russell shot .432 against the NBA.
3 known regular season H2H games against Wilt: .366

'63-64: Russell shot .433 against the NBA.
6 known Regular season H2Hs against Wilt: .388
5 Finals H2Hs against Wilt: .386

'64-65: Russell shot .438 against the NBA.
10 known regular season H2Hs against Wilt: .281 (yes, .281!)
7 playoff games against Wilt: .447

'65-66: Russell shot .415 against the NBA.
All 9 H2Hs against Wilt: .301 (again... .301!)
5 Playoff games against Wilt: .424

'66-67: Russell shot .454 against the NBA.
8 known regular season H2Hs against Wilt: .425
5 Playoff H2Hs against Wilt: .358

'67-68: Russell shot .425 against the NBA.
All 8 of their regular season H2Hs against Wilt: .279 (yep... .279!)
7 Playoff H2Hs against Wilt: .440

'68-69: Russell shot .433 against the NBA.
All 6 regular season H2H's against Wilt: .340
7 H2Hs in the Finals against Wilt: .397


There you have it. All KNOWN H2H games against Wilt. Again, this was not some "cherry-picked" stat, either.

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Once again, in the KNOWN H2H games (ALL of them), Chamberlain DRAMATICALLY reduced the efficiencies of Bellamy and Russell. And Bellamy was a true offensive force in the 60's, particularly the first-half of the decade, and before he joined Willis Reed.

Now, how about the KNOWN H2H's with Nate Thurmond?

In Nate's 65-66 season, he shot .406 against the NBA.
In his three known H2H's with Chamberlain... .382.

In Thurmond's 66-67 season, he shot .437 against the NBA.
In his three known regular season H2Hs with Wilt... .308.
In all six of their Finals' H2H's... .343

In his 67-68 season, Thurmond shot .411 against the NBA.
In his known two games against Wilt... .343.

In his 68-69 season, Nate shot .410 against the NBA.
In his two known regular season H2H's with Wilt... .431.
In his six playoff H2H's with Wilt... .392.

In his 71-72 season, Nate shot .432 against the NBA.
In all six games against Wilt... .348.

In his 72-73 season, Thurmond shot .446 against the NBA.
In all seven of their regular season H2Hs against Wilt... .315
In all five of his playoff H2Hs with Wilt... .373.

Again...DRAMATIC declines...


Oh, and how about his H2H's with Kareem?

69-70: Kareem shot .518 against the NBA.
In his one H2H with Wilt... .429

70-71: Kareem shot .577 against the NBA.
In his five regular season H2H's against Wilt... .438.
In his five playoff H2Hs against Wilt... .481

71-72: Kareem shot .574 against the NBA.
In his five regular season H2H's with Wilt... .500
In his six playoff H2Hs with Wilt... .457 (including .414 in the last four games)

72-73: Kareem shot .554 against the NBA.
In his six regular season H2Hs against Wilt... .450.


HUGE drop....

[dankok8]

We have no FG% for Bellamy from 1961-1966 and those are the years he scored >20 ppg. Wilt stymied him in years Bells wasn't even a scorer but we can only guess what happened before. I'm sure the data will come out eventually.

[LAZERUSS]

We have no FG% for Bellamy from 1961-1966 and those are the years he scored >20 ppg. Wilt stymied him in years Bells wasn't even a scorer but we can only guess what happened before. I'm sure the data will come out eventually.

A typical "basher" response. Bellamy was an offensive FORCE in the entire decade of the 60's. And he was certainly an EFFICIENT force (as was Kareem.) And yet, he couldn't the hit the broadside of barn against Wilt in the KNOWN H2H's.

And that is what really amazes me. Guys like you will claim "cherry-picking", and yet, in the KNOWN games we have... ALL of them... Chamberlain was reducing his HOF counterparts to WAY below their normal FG%'s...including your boy Kareem (10% below his career FG% in his entire career against Chamberlain.)

You were quick to point out Lanier's 71-72 season against Wilt (BTW, that entire topic was designed as an "anti-Wilt" slap), but then you ignored Chamberlain completely SHUTTING Lanier down the very next season.

Chamberlain was quite likely, the greatest "one-on-one" defensive center of all-time. Even Russell was not his equal. I suspect that only Thurmond might have been on his level, and we both know that Nate was not the rim-protector, or team defender, that Wilt was.

[LAZERUSS]

We have no FG% for Bellamy from 1961-1966 and those are the years he scored >20 ppg. Wilt stymied him in years Bells wasn't even a scorer but we can only guess what happened before. I'm sure the data will come out eventually.

BTW, Bellamy gave Russell just as much trouble offensively, as he did Wilt. And he had seasons in which he outrebounded Russell, as well.

In Bellamy's BEST season, he completely outplayed Russell. In that same season, Chamberlain DESTROYED Bellamy (and Russell as well.)

[dankok8]

A typical "basher" response. Bellamy was an offensive FORCE in the entire decade of the 60's. And he was certainly an EFFICIENT force (as was Kareem.) And yet, he couldn't the hit the broadside of barn against Wilt in the KNOWN H2H's.

And that is what really amazes me. Guys like you will claim "cherry-picking", and yet, in the KNOWN games we have... ALL of them... Chamberlain was reducing his HOF counterparts to WAY below their normal FG%'s...including your boy Kareem (10% below his career FG% in his entire career against Chamberlain.)

You were quick to point out Lanier's 71-72 season against Wilt (BTW, that entire topic was designed as an "anti-Wilt" slap), but then you ignored Chamberlain completely SHUTTING Lanier down the very next season.

Chamberlain was quite likely, the greatest "one-on-one" defensive center of all-time. Even Russell was not his equal. I suspect that only Thurmond might have been on his level, and we both know that Nate was not the rim-protector, or team defender, that Wilt was.


BTW, Bellamy gave Russell just as much trouble offensively, as he did Wilt. And he had seasons in which he outrebounded Russell, as well.

In Bellamy's BEST season, he completely outplayed Russell. In that same season, Chamberlain DESTROYED Bellamy (and Russell as well.)

I didn't accuse you of cherry-picking. You simply posted the data that we have. I was just pointing out how we're missing the FG% from the most informative years. I mean who really cares what Bellamy was shooting when he was scoring under 20 ppg and wasn't even near his peak form.

I'd be the first to tell you that despite Lanier's monster production against Wilt in 1971-1972 that he was still outplayed. Wilt ruined Lanier in their H2H's and I never claimed otherwise.

Wilt didn't destroy Russell in the 1962 EDF. An argument can be made for both sides to be honest.

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I didn't accuse you of cherry-picking. You simply posted the data that we have. I was just pointing out how we're missing the FG% from the most informative years. I mean who really cares what Bellamy was shooting when he was scoring under 20 ppg and wasn't even near his peak form.

I'd be the first to tell you that despite Lanier's monster production against Wilt in 1971-1972 that he was still outplayed. Wilt ruined Lanier in their H2H's and I never claimed otherwise.

Wilt didn't destroy Russell in the 1962 EDF. An argument can be made for both sides to be honest.

Bellamy shot .541 from the field in his 67-68 season. Against Wilt in their regular season H2H's... .451. And against Wilt in their post-season H2H's... .421.

In his 71-72 season, Bellamy shot a career high .545 from the field (and also averaged 18.6 ppg BTW.) Against Wilt in their regular season H2H's... .424.


And yes, Wilt wiped the floor with Russell in the '62 EDF's. He murdered him in ppg, outrebounded him; and outshot from the field by a huge margin. Not only that, but he took a FAR worse roster, that generally played even worse, to within two points of beating the HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics. BTW, find me a game in that series in which Russell outscored Wilt by a 42-9 margin, while outrebounding him in that same game, 37-20, and outshooting him from the field by a 16-31 to 4-14 margin.

[Papaya Petee]

So what you're saying is a 6'5 Bellamy who was a poor defender kept Wilt around his season averages almost every year?
Or are you saying a 7 foot Wilt who was a "elite" defender allowed someone 7 inches smaller and god knows how many pounds lighter to drop 25/17 on a regular basis?

[LAZERUSS]

So what you're saying is a 6'5 Bellamy who was a poor defender kept Wilt around his season averages almost every year?
Or are you saying a 7 foot Wilt who was a "elite" defender allowed someone 7 inches smaller and god knows how many pounds lighter to drop 25/17 on a regular basis?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Good research...

[dankok8]

Bellamy shot .541 from the field in his 67-68 season. Against Wilt in their regular season H2H's... .451. And against Wilt in their post-season H2H's... .421.

In his 71-72 season, Bellamy shot a career high .545 from the field (and also averaged 18.6 ppg BTW.) Against Wilt in their regular season H2H's... .424.


And yes, Wilt wiped the floor with Russell in the '62 EDF's. He murdered him in ppg, outrebounded him; and outshot from the field by a huge margin. Not only that, but he took a FAR worse roster, that generally played even worse, to within two points of beating the HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics. BTW, find me a game in that series in which Russell outscored Wilt by a 42-9 margin, while outrebounding him in that same game, 37-20, and outshooting him from the field by a 16-31 to 4-14 margin.

Bellamy made his last All-Star game in 1965. He was way removed from his prime by the 1967-1968 season you bring up.

We discussed the 1962 EDF before and you conceded that Russell got the better of Wilt in Game 3 and Game 5 and that it was a draw in Game 7. To call that series domination makes no sense.

[LAZERUSS]

Bellamy made his last All-Star game in 1965. He was way removed from his prime by the 1967-1968 season you bring up.

We discussed the 1962 EDF before and you conceded that Russell got the better of Wilt in Game 3 and Game 5 and that it was a draw in Game 7. To call that series domination makes no sense.

4-2-1 in the '62 EDF's.

Bellamy's efficiency was exceptional throughout his career, including his last two seasons in the league with Wilt (.545 and .505...when Chamberlain reduced him to .424 and .400), and he was among the best in the decade of the 60's, particularly in '67-68, when he was at .541 (and again...against Wilt, regular season of .451, and post-season of .421.)

[MiseryCityTexas]

Do you have Zelmo Beaty stats? Most underrated center of the 60s.


You had no clue who he was until you logged in to insidehoops message boards. what a cornball.

[LAZERUSS]

Another interesting defensive stat:

In their known H2H games, Chamberlain blocked 212 shots in 24 known games, while Russell blocked 90 in 14 known games. Or an 8.8 to 6.4 per game margin. BTW, he held a known 11-4 margin in games with double digit blocks. Russell's high game was 12, while Chamberlain had games of 12, 13, 13, 13, 14, and 15 blocked shots.