Tony Allen on Kobe: "He

[HOoopCityJones]

" Lots of people say this guy or that guy. Nah…I get to be able to live and tell the story that I got to guard that guy.”

"I get more up for playing him than any other player.”

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/08/26/kobe-bryant-lakers-dwight-howard-tony-allen-retirement

Just wanted to share the respect Kobe receives from Legends and current players alike. Over the last few weeks we've heard people say he's better than MJ, now I wont go that far but this guy's work ethic is second to none.

He worked his way into the Top 10 players of all time, it was never given to him.

[The_Pharcyde]

Agree but man it's only a matter of time before this thread gets infested with the regular trolls.

I say Lebron vs kobe by page 2
Jordan comes in soon after

[HOoopCityJones]

Agree but man it's only a matter of time before this thread gets infested with the regular trolls.

I say Lebron vs kobe by page 2
Jordan comes in soon after

Nah, the haters will avoid this thread like the plague , because once again someone is praising Kobe's greatness and comparing him to MJ.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Nah, the haters will avoid this thread like the plague , because once again someone is praising Kobe's greatness and comparing him to MJ.
People have been doing that for a long time? He says he's the CLOSEST thing to MJ in his era. Something that has gone without saying since what? 2006 ... Late to the party. Everyone says he's close. No one shys away from the MJ comparison. We know. Can you post the full article btw?

[HOoopCityJones]

Earlier this month, I spent six days in China shadowing Kobe Bryant for an SI cover story that you can read online here. The story captures Bryant’s comeback, his competitive mindset and all manner of other subjects, including Steve Nash’s rather salty three-word description of Bryant (hint: it’s not “really nice guy”).

As often happens, even with long features like this one, a lot of good stuff gets left on the cutting room floor. And particularly in this case, because Bryant is such a good interview. So last Friday I posted some quotes/notes on Twitter, but you can only say so much in 140 characters. Here, in more detail, are excerpts from my summer conversations with Bryant, which took place in Los Angeles and Shanghai, as well as some notes and thoughts, including Tony Allen’s take on KB. Long quotes are edited for clarity.
Kobe on... Money

Bryant believes that players like himself and LeBron James are underpaid, compared to what they would be worth on the free market (he told friends he thinks James would be worth roughly $75 million on an open market). With his last contract, he felt it was important to demonstrate to younger players that you should never take less than you’re worth. When I asked if he was taking a stand of sorts, this was his response:


“If you’re talking just from a business perspective, yeah,” Bryant said. “Because the NBA is a obviously a big business and teams generate a lot of revenue, and even more because of the new contracts they have in place since the last lockout.”

Similarly, Bryant bristles at the idea that NBA players should accept less than fair value in order to have a better chance of winning.

“As athletes, especially as public figures, you get the pressure of playing for the love of the game, they always throw that around all the time,” said Bryant. “Of course you play for the love of the game! But do owners buy teams for the love of the game?”

Bryant laughed. “That being said, I took a pay cut. The Lakers as an organization, I’m very very lucky to be with them. They could have taken the opposite side, right, and low-balled me, but that’s not what they stand for. They take care of their players. I’m very very fortunate.”

Kobe on... Education, reconsidered

Asked how he approached months of tedious rehab, Bryant related an anecdote about how he survived school.

“I talk to kids at my basketball camps and I say, you can’t really like school. I didn’t like school. But if you look at it differently… This is the way I looked at it. When I was in a classroom, and the teacher was talking, I looked at it like [I was] training my mind to be sharper, more focused for when I play basketball. I just flipped it.

“So I'd be training for basketball even when I was sitting in the classroom. When I’m organizing my thoughts and notes and learning about history, let’s say Napoleon or Julius Caesar, [I’m thinking] what can I learn from that that’s going to help me over here [he motions to an imaginary basketball court], because this is what you’re passionate about? So if you take whatever you’re doing and you just kind of converge it into what you’re passionate about, then all of a sudden everything becomes f---ing interesting.”

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe on... Growing old

In preparing for this season, Bryant told friends that the player he is analyzing, as an example of adjusting your game as you get older, is fellow 36-year-old Paul Pierce. This is part of his goal to become “more efficient” on the court.

Said Bryant, “I’m going to max [my last two years] out too, to do whatever I can. Leave no stone unturned, no water left in the sponge.”


Kobe on... Players he respects

The idea of players maximizing their potential is endlessly fascinating (at least to me). Not in terms of numbers or money or rings, or greatness, but who can squeeze everything out of the natural talent they were allotted. For example, Shane Battier might be an example. Or Derek Fisher.

Asked which players have most maxed out their talent, Bryant mentioned Durant and James and then three others:

1) Steve Nash. “Steve Nash, this guy is like, everyday he’s in there working and figuring his body out. And he’s cunning. What he did when he was in Phoenix...It's outrageous! The guy is like 6 feet maybe with platforms on, not particularly fast, but he maximized it.”

2) Steve Blake. “Blake is like a brother to me. I love Steve.”

3) Tony Allen. “A big favorite of mine. Just how he plays and what he does.”
Tony Allen on... Kobe

Curious about the third choice, I called up Allen. As always, Allen did not disappoint. Here’s a quick, edited Q&A, beginning with Allen’s reaction to being mentioned by Bryant

Allen: (audible exhale) “Oh man, that’s an honor. From a guy like Kobe, it’s definitely an honor, considering who he is….Don’t want to let that get to me though. Gotta keep my competitive advantage! I get more up for playing him than any other player.”

Q: Why?

Allen: “He’s the closest thing to Michael Jordan in my era. Lots of people say this guy or that guy. Nah…I get to be able to live and tell the story that I got to guard that guy.”

Q: How effective do you think he’ll be this year, coming off two major injuries?

Allen: “You got to have your antenna up. Even 75 percent Kobe, you got to be wary of. I’m not playing him any different.”

Q: What scouting report would you give someone who had to guard Kobe?

Allen: “His game is limitless. Not just a slasher or a shooter. He’s gonna get his. There’s no saying, ‘You’re going to stop Kobe.’ You got to not get discouraged….And he plays both ends, a lot of people don’t know that. I’d tell a young fella who has to guard him: ‘You got to be ready to compete.’ Ain’t no scouting report for a guy who scored 82 points in a game!” [Note: Bryant actually scored 81, but perhaps Allen is adjusting for inflation. Or just being Tony Allen.]

Q: How do you think his approach will be different playing on a team that’s not a title contender?

Allen: “I couldn’t envision Kobe stepping on the court and not thinking about a title.”

Q: He says he’s going to retire in two years. What will that be like?

Allen: “I’m not here to put Father Time on anybody. I know the man can play ball, period.”

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe on... Friends in the NBA (and Dwight Howard)

Bryant: “If you go back and look at the guys I’ve gotten along with, they’re all cut from the same cloth. All of them. Then you look at the guys I didn’t get along with, or might have had some ups and downs with and they’re not. It’s a consistent thing…and I’m fine with that. It’s okay.”

Q: "So then how do you deal with those guys who aren’t like you? It’s not like pick-up ball, where if you don’t like playing with a guy, you can just wait a game and get a new team."

Bryant: "You’re right. Can’t do it."

Q: "So what do you do?"

Bryant: "In the past, in my younger days, I’d just run all over them. I’d tell them to go sit down, or stand over in the corner, we’ll figure it out without you. Over the years, particularly starting in 2008 on, I started to understand more that we all have [that drive] in us, but those buttons haven’t been pushed yet. There’s something in that communication that you have to learn about that person, that can maybe trigger that focus and trigger that passion for those areas. Maybe they won’t be able to carry it for an entire season, but maybe you can trigger it for important stretches of the season. So it became more about, ‘We all have it, it’s my job as a leader of this team to figure out how to pull it out of everyone’…as opposed to going, ‘Oh it’s his dumbass fault! [laughs]”

Q: "Okay, so remember when Nate Robinson dunked over Dwight and I asked you about it and you said “No f—king way’ you’d ever let someone do that to you?"

Bryant: "I still wouldn’t have done it."

Q: "But then Dwight comes to your team and everyone’s wondering, how that will work out…"

Bryant: "We figured it out. It goes to what I said before, if you look at the second half of that season, what we accomplished? Ri-dic-ulous. We were five games out of the playoffs going into the All-Star break. Dead water, in the west. But we managed to figure that s--t out and put ourselves in the No. 8 spot and unfortunately an injury happened but we were playing so well. Going into the end of the season, anything could have happened. So even though on the surface it didn’t work, [Dwight] figured a way to do what we needed him to do, and I figured out the best way to reach him.”


Kobe on... Confidence

Gotham Chopra, the director of “Kobe Bryant’s Muse”, an upcoming documentary on Bryant, told a story about being with Kobe and watching the Nets and the Heat play. Recounts Chopra, “Deron Williams went like 0-for-9. I was like, ‘Can you believe Deron Williams went 0-9?’ Kobe was like, ‘I would go 0-30 before I would go 0-9. 0-9 means you beat yourself, you psyched yourself out of the game, because Deron Williams can get more shots in the game. The only reason is because you've just now lost confidence in yourself.’
Kobe on... Enduring rehab

“It’s the journey. These are the difficult times. I think it’s important to show that. Because it’s very easy for the public to look in October and November and say, ‘Oh Kobe’s back to the way he was.’ Kids look at that and say: [claps] it was just voil

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe on... Serenity

Bryant seemed strangely relaxed to me. No doubt, this was in part because it was still summer, but it struck me as different from any Kobe I’d seen before. Here was his explanation:

​“I found my inner Zen. You just realize that there are things that you can’t control. Doesn’t mean you don’t try to manage them. But there are things you can’t control. So you do the best you can , prepare as well as you can, and you’re comfortable with that. You just figure things out. There are certain problems that arise, you’ll try to solve it at that time, you might not be able to solve it at that time, but then you’ll just kind of keep at it. If you fail miserably, you learn something new so you don’t fail on something else.

“I think it’s easy for people to confuse inner peace and you being comfortable with who you are with complacency. And it’s the exact opposite. Because when you’re focused on the moment, and each day as it comes, when the big moment comes and everybody’s looking at you, you’re really ready, because you really just looked at it as one day at a time.”


Kobe on... Why leading is uncomfortable

Bryant likens it to when you go to dinner, “and you’re sitting across the table from somebody and you have s--t on your face…and you got to tell them…it’s uncomfortable man, right?”

But, Bryant continues, “You’d much rather sit across from a person who tells you you have s--t on your face and have that moment of uncomfortability, but you get the s--t off your face so everybody’s not looking at you like, ‘This idiot.’ As opposed to somebody who just sits there and doesn’t say anything.” Kobe cracks up, but he’s serious. “It’s true if you think about it. Is somebody just going to sit there and let you have s--t in your teeth all night? Then you look at a picture later and say, ‘Why didn’t anybody tell me?’”
Kobe on... How much longer he'll play

Q: "You said you’re going to play two more years and then retire. Based on the team you’re entering this season with, and the limitations for next season, has that changed?"

Bryant: “Nah. It may change, but as I sit here now, you have to go with how you feel. What your truth is, what you want to do. Don’t let outside things distract you from that. Those are lessons I learned from watching other people in those positions. Watching the focus of companies like Apple. Being focused on ‘This is what they do, this is what they stick to.’ No matter what these opportunities are over here, they focus on what’s’ true to them. I do the same thing, if I don’t want to play, I won’t play anymore.”

Q: "So two years no matter what?"

Bryant: “Yeah, if something inside of me changes and I want to play some more, and go after it some more ….yeah. But where I sit right now, I don’t know if I want to do that.”
Kobe on... Kobe

At one point, we were discussing his love for the game. Here’s part of how Bryant described it:

“So watching me play, I want to compete and play as hard as I can because this is what I f---ing love doing. You know what I mean? It has to be there, but in terms of how I communicate it, I’m doing much more of communicating it to the outside world, partly because I think that the messages get mixed up for the younger players coming up now, and the time that it takes to accomplish what you want to accomplish as a basketball player, and the love that you have for the game, not for all the other bulls--t. Not for followers on Twitter, or Facebook or sitting here doing interviews and s--t. It’s not about that. It’s about the game.”


Fin.

[pauk]

Absolutely...... i think Kobe is also not only the closest to MJ in this era but closest to him than any player ever was, but dont misinterpret what that means..... its not that Kobe was the closest to be as great as Jordan, its that Kobe was the closest to be that type of mold/breed of a player.... visually, the shots/footwork/scoring gamestyle etc. they are identical in how they played and Kobe himself never shied away from saying he patterned his game after him.... this doesnt he was the closest to MJ, there has been more talented or more accomplished players afterall....... and for this era or after MJ retired (98' was the real retirement imo) i think Shaq & Lebron were much closer to be reaching that type of MJ domination/peak/impact etc. than Kobe was....

[bizil]

I think Kobe is actually gonna play four more years. If the Lakers can't get it together in two years, I think he will spend his last two years with the Knicks. Melo will be 32 (still prime years left in the tank) and u got Phil and Fish running the show.

[All Net]

Agree but man it's only a matter of time before this thread gets infested with the regular trolls.

I say Lebron vs kobe by page 2
Jordan comes in soon after
If that happens this thread gets deleted.

[Milbuck]

If that happens this thread gets deleted.
Why the whole thread and not just the blatant troll posts?

[All Net]

Why the whole thread and not just the blatant troll posts?
If the thread doesn't get detailed then yes that will happen.

[GimmeThat]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBBVvfBUcM/T1t8Zi673mI/AAAAAAAAA0c/uEdZ-PA4IpI/s1600/homer-simpson-bush-gif.gif

[AnaheimLakers24]

Absolutely...... i think Kobe is also not only the closest to MJ in this era but closest to him than any player ever was, but dont misinterpret what that means..... its not that Kobe was the closest to be as great as Jordan, its that Kobe was the closest to be that type of mold/breed of a player.... visually, the shots/footwork/scoring gamestyle etc. they are identical in how they played and Kobe himself never shied away from saying he patterned his game after him.... this doesnt he was the closest to MJ, there has been more talented or more accomplished players afterall....... and for this era or after MJ retired (98' was the real retirement imo) i think Shaq & Lebron were much closer to be reaching that type of MJ domination/peak/impact etc. than Kobe was....
hey allnet, close thread. the jackass has arrived

sorry hoopcity

[Smook A.]

Absolutely...... i think Kobe is also not only the closest to MJ in this era but closest to him than any player ever was, but dont misinterpret what that means..... its not that Kobe was the closest to be as great as Jordan, its that Kobe was the closest to be that type of mold/breed of a player.... visually, the shots/footwork/scoring gamestyle etc. they are identical in how they played and Kobe himself never shied away from saying he patterned his game after him.... this doesnt he was the closest to MJ, there has been more talented or more accomplished players afterall....... and for this era or after MJ retired (98' was the real retirement imo) i think Shaq & Lebron were much closer to be reaching that type of MJ domination/peak/impact etc. than Kobe was....
Lol I don't think you've ever made a post without putting 'LeBron' in there.

To OP: Tony Allen is correct. Kobe is the closest thing we've ever seen to MJ and there shouldn't be an argument over that.

[AirFederer]

Well respect to Kobe, he is the closest thing... But it's not really close :no:

Some of the things Kobe says make sense, some doesn't. Shit on your face and Apple analogies doesn't work :lol

[masonanddixon]

It's crazy. I remember his rookie season. I was 14 and I was infuriated at the guy throwing up airball after airball. And now he's the greatest player since MJ

[miles berg]

He isn't the greatest player since MJ. Just the ones hat most modeled his game after MJ. Duncan, Shaq, & LeBron are the greatest since MJ.

[havoc33]

He isn't the greatest player since MJ. Just the ones hat most modeled his game after MJ. Duncan, Shaq, & LeBron are the greatest since MJ.
Which is again your OPINION. Let's not try to talk about GOAT rankings like they're not subjective. An argument can easily be made for Kobe being a greater basketball player than both Shaq and Duncan. It all comes down to personal preferance.

[Sakkreth]

hey allnet, close thread. the jackass has arrived

sorry hoopcity

How the fck you gained green bar, we need negs back asap :facepalm

[AnaheimLakers24]

How the fck you gained green bar, we need negs back asap :facepalm
people like my opinions :confusedshrug:

[Kaspah]

Dude is not on Jordan's level at all

He piggy backed the fck out of jordan, as far as mimicking Jordan's on court gestures, besides every basketball move jordan coined. That screams insecurity to me.

He didn't create anything, he emulated and became the nba's new spotlight simply because jordan aged and was done. There was a spot that needed to be filled quickly since if there was no Kobe, the nba would of had a huge drop off in terms of excitement that a jordan caliber player/mindset brought to the game.

I like Kobe's footwork. Besides that, dude is a professional copy cat and low key psycho with an obsession for another man. Right place at the right time. Enter: Kobe Bryant

[AnaheimLakers24]

Dude is not on Jordan's level at all

He piggy backed the fck out of jordan, as far as mimicking Jordan's on court gestures, besides every basketball move jordan coined. That screams insecurity to me.

He didn't create anything, he emulated and became the nba's new spotlight simply because jordan aged and was done. There was a spot that needed to be filled quickly since if there was no Kobe, the nba would of had a huge drop off in terms of excitement that a jordan caliber player/mindset brought to the game.

I like Kobe's footwork. Besides that, dude is a professional copy cat and low key psycho with an obsession for another man. Right place at the right time. Enter: Kobe Bryant
this post is more insecure than cobes career

[dh144498]

Dude is not on Jordan's level at all

He piggy backed the fck out of jordan, as far as mimicking Jordan's on court gestures, besides every basketball move jordan coined. That screams insecurity to me.

He didn't create anything, he emulated and became the nba's new spotlight simply because jordan aged and was done. There was a spot that needed to be filled quickly since if there was no Kobe, the nba would of had a huge drop off in terms of excitement that a jordan caliber player/mindset brought to the game.

I like Kobe's footwork. Besides that, dude is a professional copy cat and low key psycho with an obsession for another man. Right place at the right time. Enter: Kobe Bryant

you are right. Every basketball player in history besides the first person to ever dribble a basketball is sh1t and should be burned on a stake because they did not create it, but simply emulated dribbling.

[HOoopCityJones]

Dude is not on Jordan's level at all

He piggy backed the fck out of jordan, as far as mimicking Jordan's on court gestures, besides every basketball move jordan coined. That screams insecurity to me.

He didn't create anything, he emulated and became the nba's new spotlight simply because jordan aged and was done. There was a spot that needed to be filled quickly since if there was no Kobe, the nba would of had a huge drop off in terms of excitement that a jordan caliber player/mindset brought to the game.

I like Kobe's footwork. Besides that, dude is a professional copy cat and low key psycho with an obsession for another man. Right place at the right time. Enter: Kobe Bryant


:facepalm Why are you so narrow minded?

[chazzy]

Lebron
Lebron

[Baller1986]

people like my opinions :confusedshrug:


What Opinions?? You are a $hitty poster brah.

[Myth]

hey allnet, close thread. the jackass has arrived

sorry hoopcity

Say what you want about pauk, but he is correct in that post.

[AlphaWolf24]

How dare he!!??

how dare he say KB824 is this generations " MJ "( I.E.the best offensive player/one of the top perimeter players/Champion/aesthetically pleasing/popular player of the 00's)


- does he not know Kobe only shoots 45%Fg and 52ts%....thats a whole .4% and 1.2% below MJ!!!...not too mention "Per"


- Allen needs to stop playing pro ball and start going online more.:facepalm

[moe94]

Dude is not on Jordan's level at all

He piggy backed the fck out of jordan, as far as mimicking Jordan's on court gestures, besides every basketball move jordan coined. That screams insecurity to me.

He didn't create anything, he emulated and became the nba's new spotlight simply because jordan aged and was done. There was a spot that needed to be filled quickly since if there was no Kobe, the nba would of had a huge drop off in terms of excitement that a jordan caliber player/mindset brought to the game.

I like Kobe's footwork. Besides that, dude is a professional copy cat and low key psycho with an obsession for another man. Right place at the right time. Enter: Kobe Bryant

There were a ton of players who were labeled as next Jordans and had hype surrounding their ability and potential due to athletic promise. Only Kobe really managed to live up to the pressure. Even if he did design his game around Jordan, how is that bad and did it not work? Who better to mold your game after?

[DatAsh]

An argument can easily be made for Kobe being a greater basketball player than both Shaq and Duncan.

Not Lebron?

[Kaspah]

There were a ton of players who were labeled as next Jordans and had hype surrounding their ability and potential due to athletic promise. Only Kobe really managed to live up to the pressure. Even if he did design his game around Jordan, how is that bad and did it not work? Who better to mold your game after?

He crossed the line, it's one thing to have a role model but Kobe just blitzed mj's shit

Not saying kobe ain't good, I'm saying I don't give him his due because he's such a mimic. Dude talks like MJ, carries himself like MJ, does same gestures as MJ, he's like a weirdo clone

[G0ATbe]

Dude is not on Jordan's level at all
Agreed, he's far above it.

[sportjames23]

Agreed, he's far above it.


Mods, ban this fakkit

[masonanddixon]

He isn't the greatest player since MJ. Just the ones hat most modeled his game after MJ. Duncan, Shaq, & LeBron are the greatest since MJ.

I have to disagree. None of those guys were remotely as dominant as Kobe except for maybe Shaq.

Lebron and Duncan aren't great one on one players either.

[Mass Debator]

I thought Tony Allen was the closest thing to a modern day Jordan? Very humble.

[f0und]

and monkeys are the closest things to humans.

[riseagainst]

I thought Tony Allen was the closest thing to a modern day Jordan? Very humble.

"MJ is a poor man's Tony Allen."

someone please find that post/thread.

:roll: