Mayweather will have the crappiest legacy ever

[sweggeh]

Its embarrassing as I think he is supremely talented but his cowardice is just :facepalm

I remember watching documentaries about Muhammad Ali and how he was fighting the beast George Foreman in the jungle. People were crying in fear that Ali would literally be killed, thats how powerful Foreman was. Ali came in with no fear, talked shit about him and knocked his ass out.

Sugar Ray Robinson was using his older friends ID at 15 just so he could go and whip the ass of fully grown adults twice his age. He never ran from anyone.

Thats what I call a champion or a GOAT. Not a guy that talks shit to someone he is afraid to fight. Mayweather is a *****. Sad thing is Im pretty sure he would beat Pacquaio anyway.

I wonder in 50 or 60 years will anyone even remember Mayweather?

[masonanddixon]

Yeah I honestly don't understand Myweather. He runs most of his fights, throws a few punches, and somehow it's a 'boxing masterpiece.' But when a similar boxer does the same thing (Lara, Rigondeaux, Ward, Dirrell), they get called boring and lose rounds on scorecards (well not Ward).

Then he puts outrageous demands on his opponents, selects the judges and officials, and only fights guys he knows he cannot lose against.

[BasedTom]

But unlike Ali and Tyson, Mayweather isn't as ****ed up inthe head (at least it seems that way now) and is still rich beyond comprehension. So credit to him for that, I guess.

That being said, yeah he's a bitch.

[Wade3]

Least hit champion in the history of boxing, probably the most accurate puncher in the history of boxing. Most skilled boxer ever

No blueprint

[rlsmooth775]

I don't think floyd gives a shit he makes to much money to even care

[rlsmooth775]

Lol all the people online who call floyd a bitch would never say it to his face

[enayes]

one of the reasons I've never paid any attention to boxing, it's a joke

[Godzuki]

Lol all the people online who call floyd a bitch would never say it to his face


i would. i'd also sue that sorry mf'er for millions :pimp:

and its always funny to me how when we're talking boxing integrity his gay fanboy fgts always talk about his money. u sorry bitches don't get context or integrity.

[sweggeh]

Least hit champion in the history of boxing, probably the most accurate puncher in the history of boxing. Most skilled boxer ever

No blueprint

All that is worthless when you purposely avoid people to maintain stats. Its pretty pathetic tbh.

[pinhead]

He beat the Big Show at Wrestlemania. His legacy is secured.

[oarabbus]

Lol all the people online who call floyd a bitch would never say it to his face


I wouldn't call a murderer a piece of shit scumbag to his face either.

[9erempiree]

I don't know how being considered the greatest distance fighter ever is crap.:confusedshrug:

[sweggeh]

I don't know how being considered the greatest distance fighter ever is crap.:confusedshrug:

Being a great distance fighter shouldnt extend to twitter bro. Ric Flair once said "To be the best, you gotta beat the best". Mayweather and Pacquiao were at one time the best in the business. Pacquiao was down but Mayweather pussied out and has continued to do so. You can be the GOAT boxer when you are afraid of guys to the point you straight up reject any chance to face them.

[KNOW1EDGE]

And yet, he will go down in history undefeated as one of the most successful boxers of all time.

Great thead as usual from OP.

[masonanddixon]

And yet, he will go down in history undefeated as one of the most successful boxers of all time.

Great thead as usual from OP.

Yeah but everyone knows he lost to Castillo both times.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Yeah but everyone knows he lost to Castillo both times.

I didnt know that. I coulda sworn he is still undefeated and beat Castillo both times they boxed.

Yup, in reality he is undefeated and one of the richest, most succesful boxer of all time.

[masonanddixon]

I didnt know that. I coulda sworn he is still undefeated and beat Castillo both times they boxed.

Yup, in reality he is undefeated and one of the richest, most succesful boxer of all time.

The commission handed him those wins because he was the biggest name in boxing.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The commission handed him those wins because he was the biggest name in boxing.

That's one theory.

But in reality, as far as history goes, and professional boxing, he is undefeated. And one of the most successful boxers of all time.

Hardly a "crappy legacy"

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah but everyone knows he lost to Castillo both times.

Floyd lost the first bout, won the 2nd.

Call me when Floyd goes 89-0 like Chavez did

[KyleKong]

Mayweather is undefeated because he has always ducked fighters that have the ability to beat him.

You think him ducking Manny is the first time he's refused to fight someone?

[KyleKong]

I didnt know that. I coulda sworn he is still undefeated and beat Castillo both times they boxed.

Yup, in reality he is undefeated and one of the richest, most succesful boxer of all time.

Undefeated, especially in Mayweather's case, is highly overrated.

The greatest boxers in history have multiple loses.

Mayweather not even top 10 GOAT. Just a popular fighter in his era.

[masonanddixon]

Floyd lost the first bout, won the 2nd.

Call me when Floyd goes 89-0 like Chavez did

If he won the 2nd bout, it was just barely. I had it a draw. Harold Lederman had it 7 rds to 5 Mayweather.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I'm not a huge Mayweather fan or anything, but I'm surprised to see so many people dismiss his accomplishments, success and talent as if it was a fluke or something created by the media.


Very interesting to say the least.

[masonanddixon]

I'm not a huge Mayweather fan or anything, but I'm surprised to see so many people dismiss his accomplishments, success and talent as if it was a fluke or something created by the media.


Very interesting to say the least.

Nah, he's the best of his era but it's hard to like someone who cherrypicks his opponents, selects the judges and refs, and places demands on all of his opponents (gloves, catchweight, weight drains them etc etc).

[1987_Lakers]

I'm not a huge Mayweather fan or anything, but I'm surprised to see so many people dismiss his accomplishments, success and talent as if it was a fluke or something created by the media.


Very interesting to say the least.

Mayweather is an all-time great boxer, no one is denying that. I just don't like how he hand picks his opponents, tries to control what gloves they wear, & what referee to ref his fights (Kenny Bayless). He has beaten very good fighters, but its a shameful Mayweather-Pacquiao has yet to happen. Mayweather is more of a business man than a true warrior.

Chavez started his career 89-0 and he ducked NO ONE. Even after the Meldrick Taylor fight in which many people thought Taylor was winning right before he got KO'd, Chavez was the one demanding a re-match while Taylor was trying to move up a weight class.

[DCL]

it's hard to respect a guy who talks so much but walks so little.

but he wasn't even trying to walk. he was doing everything he could to run away.

it's like watching a dude yell, "i'm gonna kick your ass, you weak ass *****" as he sprints towards the other direction.

that's mayweather's legacy: being a loudmouth chicken shit.

[yungtyrekeevans]

who has mayweather ducked bruhs?

ppl were sayin hatton? beat him.
ppl were sayin mosley? fought and beat him.

floyd duckin manny? nah. manny gone make more money from a floyd fight than he ever did, and he said no. said blood test make him weak lol. all he had to do was take the blood test bruhs. lol.

so who has floyd ducked? y'all keep sayin it, but we aint hearin any names. he beat all the biggest names in his era. mosley, marquez, alvarez, castillo, corrales, judah, de la hoya, hatton, cotto.
so who he ducked?

[1987_Lakers]

who has mayweather ducked bruhs?

Margarito back in 2006. Pacquiao for the past 5 years.

The reason why negotiations between Mayweather & Pacquiao broke down a few years ago was because of money, Floyd was getting greedy and wanted a larger portion. If there was any fight that deserved a 50/50 split it was that fight.

And if you have noticed for the past year or so Pacquiao has mentioned in many interviews that he would like to fight Mayweather, when Mayweather gets asked about Pacquiao he just avoids it. I'm just saying if this fight doesn't happen by spring of 2015, Floyd's legacy in my eyes will get hurt.

[yungtyrekeevans]

Margarito back in 2006. Pacquiao for the past 5 years.

The reason why negotiations between Mayweather & Pacquiao broke down a few years ago was because of money, Floyd was getting greedy and wanted a larger portion. If there was any fight that deserved a 50/50 split it was that fight.

And if you have noticed for the past year or so Pacquiao has mentioned in many interviews that he would like to fight Mayweather, when Mayweather gets asked about Pacquiao he just avoids it. I'm just saying if this fight doesn't happen by spring of 2015, Floyd's legacy in my eyes will get hurt.

avoiding questions?

bruh, he does that for every fighter if they aint his opponent. he doin the same shit with amir khan. he duckin him too? he doin that with any fighter that aint up next for him.
its all pr with mannys peeps. if they both wanted the fight, it'd be happening. manny said no to the test. then talks break down and he in the media sayin, yeah, i do it. :oldlol:
bruh, they aint foolin nobody. only ppl gettin taken in by this is floyd haters bruh. logic done passed everyone up on this one cuz its floyd mayweather they talkin about. anything to get a few shots in.

and margarito? he a stiff and a cheat. aint nobody cared.
so ppl actin like floyd whole career tainted because he aint fight one dude and apparently ducked him? one dude? then point to mannys resume and we actin like its legit? manny takin floyds sloppy seconds on everything.

[1987_Lakers]

Manny agreed to the take the drug test, he even agreed to a 55/45 split for Mayweather and Floyd still said no, what does that tell you?

[yungtyrekeevans]

Manny agreed to the take the drug test, he even agreed to a 55/45 split for Mayweather and Floyd still said no, what does that tell you?

its all good to say it after the talk break down. but you werent there talkin that talk when the papers were there in front of you.

[DonDadda59]

Margarito back in 2006. Pacquiao for the past 5 years.

Don't forget Winky Wright in 2005. Floyd pulled out last second and used the money split as an excuse. Floyd even demanded a same day weigh-in clause in the contract where Winky wouldn't be allowed to put on more than 8 lbs after the first weigh-in. Winky agreed. Floyd punked out.

Floyd outright said Paul Williams was too big for him and that's why he never even entertained the idea of fighting him. To be fair though, no welter back then wanted to mix it up with him. That's why we never saw Williams-Cotto/Mosley/Judah/etc and the Punisher had to move up in weight, where he didn't really belong.

[bdreason]

The most forgettable undefeated Boxer in the history of the sport. I can already see the legacy highlight videos filled with Mayweather just dodging people the whole time. :oldlol:

[Wally450]

Mayweather is one of the most skilled boxers ever. Casual fans don't understand boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, something Mayweather does so well.

Mayweather offers 40 million to Pacquiao and 50/50 split and random drug testing but Pac says no because he's afraid of needles despite having tattoos. Pac then goes and fights Cotto and Hatton and makes both of them take the drug tests. You don't start at 105 and go through 8 divisions absolutely dominating without being on some sort of PED.

Pac ducked Mayweather.

[yungtyrekeevans]

The most forgettable undefeated Boxer in the history of the sport. I can already see the legacy highlight videos filled with Mayweather just dodging people the whole time. :oldlol:

ppv records and he gonna be forgotten? :oldlol:

deez fools talkin sports they aint even know.

[Orlando Magic]

ppv records and he gonna be forgotten? :oldlol:

deez fools talkin sports they aint even know.

Let's say 10 years goes by after he's retired and he never lost...

Who is remembered more, Tyson or Mayweather? Ali or Mayweather? Foreman or Mayweather?

Undefeated and PPV aren't the only things that make people remember. Dude is pretty much a bitch.

[joe]

Mayweather is one of the most skilled boxers ever. Casual fans don't understand boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, something Mayweather does so well.

Mayweather offers 40 million to Pacquiao and 50/50 split and random drug testing but Pac says no because he's afraid of needles despite having tattoos. Pac then goes and fights Cotto and Hatton and makes both of them take the drug tests. You don't start at 105 and go through 8 divisions absolutely dominating without being on some sort of PED.

Pac ducked Mayweather.

I am even less than a casual boxing fan (dont follow it at all), but obviously I know about the Mayweather-Pacquiao situation. What you are saying resonates and I would believe you that Floyd is one of the greatest skilled boxers ever. But him not fighting Manny, regardless of the reason, seems like his fault. He is the one with the restrictions, the rules. If he doesnt ever fight him, in my uneducated mind I will never respect him as a great.

This is why boxing is dumb, by the way. There needs to be a league of some kind. How can this fight have never happened? Imagine the Heat never played the Spurs? 2002 Lakers never played the Kings? Broncos never had to face the Seahawks? It is ridiculous.

[RedBlackAttack]

Don't forget Winky Wright in 2005. Floyd pulled out last second and used the money split as an excuse. Floyd even demanded a same day weigh-in clause in the contract where Winky wouldn't be allowed to put on more than 8 lbs after the first weigh-in. Winky agreed. Floyd punked out.

Floyd outright said Paul Williams was too big for him and that's why he never even entertained the idea of fighting him. To be fair though, no welter back then wanted to mix it up with him. That's why we never saw Williams-Cotto/Mosley/Judah/etc and the Punisher had to move up in weight, where he didn't really belong.
You can't be serious. :oldlol:

Winky Wright was a middleweight in 2005, while Floyd had literally just moved up to 140 from 135. How do you "duck" a guy that is fighting three weight classes above you? Maybe that's how you know a fighter is great... when people start pulling stuff like that out.

[KingBeasley08]

Word. Floyd is great but he will never be in the top class of boxers. He made a ton of money and that's good for him but we talkin legacy here. Dude's a punk b*tch :oldlol:

[KyleKong]

ppv records and he gonna be forgotten? :oldlol:

deez fools talkin sports they aint even know.

Flavor of the month boxer. Nothing special about Mayweather.

[gts]

ppv records and he gonna be forgotten? :oldlol:

deez fools talkin sports they aint even know.


Nobody cares how much money boxers make when talking about their legacy people talk about their famous fights... when you talk rumble in the jungle you don't talk about the gate purse you talk about rope a dope... they make movies out of guys like ali who lost several fights because he put himself out there to be beaten he took those chances

all this unbeaten record talk and he made such and such amount of money is just window dressing on a boring career

[L.Kizzle]

Flavor of the month boxer. Nothing special about Mayweather.
Flavor of thejdecade.

[DonDadda59]

You can't be serious. :oldlol:

Winky Wright was a middleweight in 2005, while Floyd had literally just moved up to 140 from 135. How do you "duck" a guy that is fighting three weight classes above you? Maybe that's how you know a fighter is great... when people start pulling stuff like that out.

When Pacquiao signed on to fight DLH, Oscar had last fought at 154 and Pacquiao had one fight at 135 after campaigning at 130... what's the difference? :confusedshrug:

Floyd ducked Winky Wright. Winky even agreed to a same day weigh-in and rehydration clause. Floyd punked out.

[sweggeh]

Nobody cares how much money boxers make when talking about their legacy people talk about their famous fights... when you talk rumble in the jungle you don't talk about the gate purse you talk about rope a dope... they make movies out of guys like ali who lost several fights because he put himself out there to be beaten he took those chances

all this unbeaten record talk and he made such and such amount of money is just window dressing on a boring career

:applause:

[L.Kizzle]

When Pacquiao signed on to fight DLH, Oscar had last fought at 154 and Pacquiao had one fight at 135 after campaigning at 130... what's the difference? :confusedshrug:

Floyd ducked Winky Wright. Winky even agreed to a same day weigh-in and rehydration clause. Floyd punked out.
I wasn't watching boxing back then but wasn't Wright a Middleweight and Floyd a junior Welter in 2005?

[DonDadda59]

I wasn't watching boxing back then but wasn't Wright a Middleweight and Floyd a junior Welter in 2005?

Yup. Winky was at 160, Floyd at 140. Floyd called out Winky... Winky called his bluff, had his promoter in Top Rank's office literally the next morning working out a deal with Arum. They came to an agreement over the split, weight (fight was going to be at 154 w/ a same day weigh-in where Winky wasn't allowed to put on 8 lbs over the weight limit), and other issues. Then when it came time to sign papers, all of a sudden Floyd wasn't happy with the split they agreed on and then moved on to duck Margarito. :lol

But RBA says Floyd ducking Winky is a testament to his greatness... when Pacquiao was a featherweight and had only 1 fight at lightweight, he agreed to fight Oscar who was then a Jr. Middleweight (And people forget now that the fight was viewed as a circus and Pac was a 2-1 underdog). Can't make this shit up :applause:

[KyleKong]

Yup. Winky was at 160, Floyd at 140. Floyd called out Winky... Winky called his bluff, had his promoter in Top Rank's office literally the next morning working out a deal with Arum. They came to an agreement over the split, weight (fight was going to be at 154 w/ a same day weigh-in where Winky wasn't allowed to put on 8 lbs over the weight limit), and other issues. Then when it came time to sign papers, all of a sudden Floyd wasn't happy with the split they agreed on and then moved on to duck Margarito. :lol

But RBA says Floyd ducking Winky is a testament to his greatness... when Pacquiao was a featherweight and had only 1 fight at lightweight, he agreed to fight Oscar who was then a Jr. Middleweight (And people forget now that the fight was viewed as a circus and Pac was a 2-1 underdog). Can't make this shit up :applause:

I think I remember Larry Merchant saying that minutes before the fight, Oscar had an I.V. in his arm trying to rehydrate because of how much he had cut the day before.

Manny was probably 12-15 pounds lighter then Oscar that night. But that fight was a murder.

[DonDadda59]

I think I remember Larry Merchant saying that minutes before the fight, Oscar had an I.V. in his arm trying to rehydrate because of how much he had cut the day before.

Manny was probably 12-15 pounds lighter then Oscar that night. But that fight was a murder.

Great. Hindsight is 20-20. Doesn't change the fact that before signing on to fight the Jr. Middleweight (154) DLH, Pacquiao had only one fight at lightweight (135) and had been campaigning at superfeatherweight (130). The fight was at 147, 2 weight divisions above any Manny had fought at. DLH was the 2-1 betting favorite.

[Cangri]

I think I remember Larry Merchant saying that minutes before the fight, Oscar had an I.V. in his arm trying to rehydrate because of how much he had cut the day before.

Manny was probably 12-15 pounds lighter then Oscar that night. But that fight was a murder.

Actually Oscar was about 145 lbs or something the night of the fight vs Pacquiao, he was dehydrated and even Pacquiao's trainer acknowledged it.
Having to drop that much weight at that age ****ed him up.

[L.Kizzle]

Yup. Winky was at 160, Floyd at 140. Floyd called out Winky... Winky called his bluff, had his promoter in Top Rank's office literally the next morning working out a deal with Arum. They came to an agreement over the split, weight (fight was going to be at 154 w/ a same day weigh-in where Winky wasn't allowed to put on 8 lbs over the weight limit), and other issues. Then when it came time to sign papers, all of a sudden Floyd wasn't happy with the split they agreed on and then moved on to duck Margarito. :lol

But RBA says Floyd ducking Winky is a testament to his greatness... when Pacquiao was a featherweight and had only 1 fight at lightweight, he agreed to fight Oscar who was then a Jr. Middleweight (And people forget now that the fight was viewed as a circus and Pac was a 2-1 underdog). Can't make this shit up :applause:
Was is more like B Hop saying he'd drop down to 160 to fight Floyd or was their serious discussions?

[kurple]

I didnt know that. I coulda sworn he is still undefeated and beat Castillo both times they boxed.

Yup, in reality he is undefeated and one of the richest, most succesful boxer of all time.
who gives a shit how rich he is? isnt Birdman one of the richest rappers/musicians out there?

[DonDadda59]

Was is more like B Hop saying he'd drop down to 160 to fight Floyd or was their serious discussions?

Wright-Mayweather bout is off as talks break down

Winky Wright's promoter says a last-minute shift in the money split has shelved the anticipated fight, at least temporarily.

By JOHN C. COTEY, Times Staff Writer
Published July 22, 2005
It's back to the drawing board for St. Petersburg's Winky Wright as negotiations to fight 140-pound champion Floyd Mayweather fell apart Thursday morning at a meeting in Las Vegas.

"As of right now, it's no deal - they changed the money on me at the last second," said promoter Gary Shaw, who said he was close to finalizing the fight when he walked into Top Rank and Bob Arum's office Thursday.

But within seconds, he said, the deal evaporated.

"I walked in, I told him: "I believe we have a deal,' " Shaw said. "And Bob said, "so it's a deal - 55-45 (money split)'.

"I said, "Bob, that was never, ever discussed, no deal' and that was that."

The day before, Shaw said he and Arum had agreed to a 50-50 purse split as well as other requests from Mayweather's camp. He added that Wright adviser Jim Wilkes and Don King, who has an option on Wright's next fight, agreed as well.

According to Shaw, however, Arum said he did not remember that conversation. Arum was unavailable for comment.

Shaw and Arum were in Las Vegas to promote the Oct. 8 rematch between Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo. Shaw promotes Corrales; Arum promotes Castillo.

"There were requests made by Floyd Mayweather, we laid it out and I think they were fair requests," Arum told maxboxing.com. "Gary rejected them, so there's no fight. We have to sit with Floyd and we'll figure out (what we do next). Maybe (Antonio) Margarito.:yaohappy: It's unfortunate as far as the Winky Wright fight, but it's not going to happen."

While Shaw said he agreed with just about all of the demands from the Mayweather team, principally regarding weight, he doesn't think the Detroit fighter, aformer Olympian, was behind the breakdown.

"I think it's Arum," Shaw said. "When Floyd normally calls someone out, he's serious about fighting them."

Mayweather, one of the sport's most vocal stars, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal Sunday that he was interested in fighting Wright, and Shaw wasted no time calling his bluff.

The next morning, he was in the Top Rank offices working on a deal.

"Remember, Floyd called Winky out; Winky didn't call Floyd out," Shaw said. "We were even willing to come down in weight to 154."

Because Wright, who prefers to fight at 160, could probably put on as many as 15 pounds between the weigh-in (the day before) and the fight and enter the ring as high as 165-170, Mayweather's camp requested a morning-of-the-fight weigh-in. That included a stipulation that Wright couldn't go more than eight pounds above the limit.

The undefeated Mayweather, who started his career at 130 and weighs 140 pounds, would be at a significant size disadvantage for the fight.

Wright (49-3, 25 knockouts) is still scheduled to fight Nov. 19 on HBO, provided Shaw can find a suitable opponent in the sparse middleweight field.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/22/Sports/Wright_Mayweather_bou.shtml

[KyleKong]

Great. Hindsight is 20-20. Doesn't change the fact that before signing on to fight the Jr. Middleweight (154) DLH, Pacquiao had only one fight at lightweight (135) and had been campaigning at superfeatherweight (130). The fight was at 147, 2 weight divisions above any Manny had fought at. DLH was the 2-1 betting favorite.

Based Pacquiao

:bowdown:

[rezznor]

The greatests fighters always want to fight their best competition. Mayweather ducks them. He just wants to take fights that are stacked in his favor to preserve his precious record.

[yungtyrekeevans]

Nobody cares how much money boxers make when talking about their legacy people talk about their famous fights... when you talk rumble in the jungle you don't talk about the gate purse you talk about rope a dope... they make movies out of guys like ali who lost several fights because he put himself out there to be beaten he took those chances

all this unbeaten record talk and he made such and such amount of money is just window dressing on a boring career

hatin on the dude cuz he too good for the comp.

floyd aint put himself out there? name a big name boxer he aint beat that manny has. :oldlol: let me help you bruh. list don't even start, unless you wanna consider margarito some top prospect bruh. :oldlol:

so, why manny career great, but floyd aint? cuz manny lost? floyd aint lost because he too good. ppl said hatton will knock his ass, beat him. said alvarez too big and young for floyd. whooped on him.
he aint have no great fights? yeah, aight. i aint never seen you talk boxin, and you wanna school me on this shit. you talkin bout great comebacks and slugfests. floyd too good for that. you wanna see a boxin masterpiece? go watch floyd whoop on jmm. true boxin against a legend.

so who manny beat that floyd aint? name me a big time boxer bruh. we waitin. cuz you actin like floyd aint put himself out there. manny has doe right?

[yungtyrekeevans]

The greatests fighters always want to fight their best competition. Mayweather ducks them. He just wants to take fights that are stacked in his favor to preserve his precious record.

y'all keep spittin this but aint no one prove nothin.

manny apparently okay with his legacy, but he aint beat no one floyd aint beat. :oldlol:

so they both trash and savin their legacy, right bruh?

[DeuceWallaces]

PBF is rent free in the Pactard's heads. Never gonna leave; never gets old.

[Wally450]

hatin on the dude cuz he too good for the comp.

floyd aint put himself out there? name a big name boxer he aint beat that manny has. :oldlol: let me help you bruh. list don't even start, unless you wanna consider margarito some top prospect bruh. :oldlol:

so, why manny career great, but floyd aint? cuz manny lost? floyd aint lost because he too good. ppl said hatton will knock his ass, beat him. said alvarez too big and young for floyd. whooped on him.
he aint have no great fights? yeah, aight. i aint never seen you talk boxin, and you wanna school me on this shit. you talkin bout great comebacks and slugfests. floyd too good for that. you wanna see a boxin masterpiece? go watch floyd whoop on jmm. true boxin against a legend.

so who manny beat that floyd aint? name me a big time boxer bruh. we waitin. cuz you actin like floyd aint put himself out there. manny has doe right?

:bowdown:

[IamRAMBO24]

hatin on the dude cuz he too good for the comp.

floyd aint put himself out there? name a big name boxer he aint beat that manny has. :oldlol: let me help you bruh. list don't even start, unless you wanna consider margarito some top prospect bruh. :oldlol:

so, why manny career great, but floyd aint? cuz manny lost? floyd aint lost because he too good. ppl said hatton will knock his ass, beat him. said alvarez too big and young for floyd. whooped on him.
he aint have no great fights? yeah, aight. i aint never seen you talk boxin, and you wanna school me on this shit. you talkin bout great comebacks and slugfests. floyd too good for that. you wanna see a boxin masterpiece? go watch floyd whoop on jmm. true boxin against a legend.

so who manny beat that floyd aint? name me a big time boxer bruh. we waitin. cuz you actin like floyd aint put himself out there. manny has doe right?

Nice strawman.

It's not about Floyd's vs Manny's legacy. It's about Floyd's vs the greats. Floyd said he was better than Ali, but Ali wouldn't duck fights like this: he actually seeks it and thrives off it.

Floyd is putting his foot in his mouth. If he wants to be compare to the greats, he should start acting liking one. The criticism towards him is legit. It's not about Manny; it never was.

[1987_Lakers]

so who manny beat that floyd aint? name me a big time boxer bruh. we waitin.

Erik Morales

[1987_Lakers]

Nice strawman.

It's not about Floyd's vs Manny's legacy. It's about Floyd's vs the greats. Floyd said he was better than Ali, but Ali wouldn't duck fights like this: he actually seeks it and thrives off it.

Floyd is putting his foot in his mouth. If he wants to be compare to the greats, he should start acting liking one. The criticism towards him is legit. It's not about Manny; it never was.
:applause:

[Wally450]

So if somehow the fight happens and Pac beat Mayweather, can we discredit Manny's win because Floyd was old and out of his prime like everyone does with everyone of Mayweather's signature wins?

[yungtyrekeevans]

Nice strawman.

It's not about Floyd's vs Manny's legacy. It's about Floyd's vs the greats. Floyd said he was better than Ali, but Ali wouldn't duck fights like this: he actually seeks it and thrives off it.

Floyd is putting his foot in his mouth. If he wants to be compare to the greats, he should start acting liking one. The criticism towards him is legit. It's not about Manny; it never was.

bruh, you good at readin?

look at the title. its about floyds legacy. point is, his legacy better than manny and aint no threads on that. whys that bruh? where the manny legacy suck thread?
floyd got so many haters they lookin for any reason to bring down what he do bruh.

[yungtyrekeevans]

:applause:

you out here applauding and you bringing names like morales to the table. :oldlol:

gimme a fighter floyd was actually in talks with or "duckin" bruh. there aint a big time fighter that manny beat, that floyd aint, that floyd was actually in talks with bruh.
i aint out here talkin shit bout manny for not steppin up to alvarez or judah or castillo.

[IamRAMBO24]

bruh, you good at readin?

look at the title. its about floyds legacy. point is, his legacy better than manny and aint no threads on that. whys that bruh? where the manny legacy suck thread?
floyd got so many haters they lookin for any reason to bring down what he do bruh.

If we are talking about legacy, then it is fair to compare Floyd to all the greats and not strictly Manny.

Your argument sounds legit because you curtailed the premise to only include Manny when half of the forum was talking about everybody else.

Nobody is hating on Floyd without a legit argument. It doesn't matter how many scrubs he fought; Pacquiao is the second best fighter. The best fought with the best. That's how legacies were defined. Ali took on Foreman; Evander TKO Tyson and got his ear bit off. Had those fights not happen, their legacies would take a hit. Same as Floyd.

[rezznor]

So if somehow the fight happens and Pac beat Mayweather, can we discredit Manny's win because Floyd was old and out of his prime like everyone does with everyone of Mayweather's signature wins?
no because it was mayweather ducking manny for the past 5 years

[1987_Lakers]

you out here applauding and you bringing names like morales to the table. :oldlol:

gimme a fighter floyd was actually in talks with or "duckin" bruh. there aint a big time fighter that manny beat, that floyd aint, that floyd was actually in talks with bruh.
i aint out here talkin shit bout manny for not steppin up to alvarez or judah or castillo.

Morales is a HOF boxer and one of the greatest mexican fighters ever. You said name a boxer and I did.:confusedshrug:

There is also rumors out there that Morales use to punish Floyd in sparring, but that's besides the point.

My only beef with Floyd is how he has been ducking Manny for 5 years now, if you are too blind to see that then that's your fault.

[yungtyrekeevans]

Morales is a HOF boxer and one of the greatest mexican fighters ever. You said name a boxer and I did.:confusedshrug:

There is also rumors out there that Morales use to punish Floyd in sparring, but that's besides the point.

My only beef with Floyd is how he has been ducking Manny for 5 years now, if you are too blind to see that then that's your fault.

all he had to do was take a blood test bruh. he didnt.

whos duckin who?

[yungtyrekeevans]

no because it was mayweather ducking manny for the past 5 years

pac duckin floyd bro. if you wanna fight to happen, you take a blood test and take the biggest pay day of your life. come on now son. who walkin away from that money if they clean?

[IamRAMBO24]

all he had to do was take a blood test bruh. he didnt.

whos duckin who?

So why don't Floyd fight him now? I'm sure Manny is down to rumble. He said it; his promoter said it. If Floyd doesn't fight him, then he is ducking him. Correct?

[1987_Lakers]

all he had to do was take a blood test bruh. he didnt.

whos duckin who?

Manny agreed to a blood test, Floyd still backed off. Manny agreed to a 55/45 split, Floyd still backed off.

Stay blind though.

[IamRAMBO24]

Manny agreed to a blood test, Floyd still backed off. Manny agreed to a 55/45 split, Floyd still backed off.

Stay blind though.

You should provide a link and shut him up.

[yungtyrekeevans]

Manny agreed to a blood test, Floyd still backed off. Manny agreed to a 55/45 split, Floyd still backed off.

Stay blind though.

when they were in talks, did manny agree? nope.

then he go out a while later talkin all this shit about how he down for all the agreements all of a sudden after the talks done. :oldlol:

[yungtyrekeevans]

So why don't Floyd fight him now? I'm sure Manny is down to rumble. He said it; his promoter said it. If Floyd doesn't fight him, then he is ducking him. Correct?

of course manny is down now. he need money now. :oldlol:

y'all act like its never been about money with floyd. thats all it is. he want more in every fight. and he deserve it bruh. he the reason people watchin. floyd aint gonna take nothin less than 70-30 right now with manny.

[Wally450]

no because it was mayweather ducking manny for the past 5 years

So why did Pac not take the fight when he was offered 40 mil. 50/50 split and random drug testing?

Pax didn't want to be exposed taking PEDs

[Fawker]

His PPV numbers are snoozefests tho. The money is never worth it. Is that what he is proud about? Give me a guy who has a few L's but throws em.

[Wally450]

His PPV numbers are snoozefests tho. The money is never worth it. Is that what he is proud about? Give me a guy who has a few L's but throws em.

You want a guy who throws punches and gets lit up by other boxers, but God forbid a guy does the opposite and throws punches and doesn't get hit and he gets scolded to the ground.

[Fawker]

Yes give me a fighter that deliver good fights.

[Wally450]

Brandon Rios and Chris Algeiri are good legacy fights for Pacquiao? How come no one ever gives him shit for fighting bums? If Mayweather were to fight them he'd be scolded like a red headed step child.

[DonDadda59]

Brandon Rios and Chris Algeiri are good legacy fights for Pacquiao? How come no one ever gives him shit for fighting bums? If Mayweather were to fight them he'd be scolded like a red headed step child.

Maidana= an even slower and more flat-footed Brandon Rios. Floyd fights him in back to back fights after going life and death with him in the first fight, but that makes him TBE doe :oldlol:

[Fawker]

anyway..how would manny find a crease in floyds impeccable defense. Because you know that's what it will boil down to. manny has to knock him out, not hurt him.

[DonDadda59]

anyway..how would manny find a crease in floyds impeccable defense. Because you know that's what it will boil down to. manny has to knock him out, not hurt him.

Straight left would be his key weapon. That's proven to be a weakness in the shoulder roll/philly shell defense- straight left shots down the middle (and overhand rights ala Mosley and Chino). Cotto broke his nose with the jab, Maidana used it to push him against the ropes. Even as far back as Judah, Floyd has shown a vulnerability to that punch. Manny's straight left is P4P the best weapon in the sport IMO. And in recent years he's figured out how to use it both offensively and defensively, he's taken to use it to counter orthodox jabs.

Also, Floyd is too used to fighting slow, flat-footed fighters who only throw one punch at a time which is a dream for a counter puncher. One of the reasons he struggled with Maidana (besides him pressing with an effective jab) was Chino started stringing his punches together, albeit slow moton, stuck in molasses style :lol

But he whacked Floyd at the end of the third in the last fight because unlike most guys who fight Floyd- he followed up his punch with another:

http://gfycat.com/IdolizedDelightfulIchidna

http://gfycat.com/DelightfulConcreteGermanshepherd

In most cases guys leave that jab out there, Floyd pulls back and launches a straight right pull counter. He tried that here and was met by a 'counter' from Maidana that shook his core. No one strings combos better offensively than Pac, and they won't be slow, telegraphed Maidana punches either.

Floyd would be forced to fight, if he tries fighting on his back foot and throwing the odd counter here and there, the fight would look a lot like Pac-Clottey. I can't see him winning on points fighting the way he did against Chino.

[Wally450]

Maidana= an even slower and more flat-footed Brandon Rios. Floyd fights him in back to back fights after going life and death with him in the first fight, but that makes him TBE doe :oldlol:

The TBE is all an act, I know that. Mayweather getting crap for fighting Maidana a second time, I know that. But Pacquiao hardly gets negative publicity because of the guys he's fighting. Mayweather gets trashed for any fighter he faces who isn't Pacquiao at this point. We're gonna ignore Pac fighting crap fighters?

Realistically, who's out there besides Pac for Mayweather to fight right now?

[DeuceWallaces]

The TBE is all an act, I know that. Mayweather getting crap for fighting Maidana a second time, I know that. But Pacquiao hardly gets negative publicity because of the guys he's fighting. Mayweather gets trashed for any fighter he faces who isn't Pacquiao at this point. We're gonna ignore Pac fighting crap fighters?

Realistically, who's out there besides Pac for Mayweather to fight right now?

That's a Pactard's #1 talking point. Didn't you know Pac only fights the best like Rustico Torrecampo and Medgoen Singsurat?

[DonDadda59]

But Pacquiao hardly gets negative publicity because of the guys he's fighting.

What are you talking about? People were on Pac's case for years saying he was fighting Floyd's 'leftovers' or only taking on flat-footed come forward brawlers (which seems to be Floyd's meal of choice these past few years :lol ), or guy only coming off losses. Pac's latest opponent was the #3 P4P fighter in the world, a guy who was undefeated (not counting Manny schooling him the first time), and a fighter who is a level above Chino Maidana. He was also the sort of fighter people for years said was the type Pac avoided. He clowned him twice.

And Algieri may not be the most famous fighter out there, but he's once again- undefeated (which is cool only if it's Floyd I guess), coming off a career defining win, and who has a slick, counter-punching style. Not to mention he's got half a foot of height and reach on Pac:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/wp-content/uploads/pac553-420x277.jpg

But now I guess fighting undefeated skilled boxers coming off their best wins is a bad thing. :oldlol:





Mayweather gets trashed for any fighter he faces who isn't Pacquiao at this point. We're gonna ignore Pac fighting crap fighters?

Realistically, who's out there besides Pac for Mayweather to fight right now?

Of course he gets trashed- you can't run around screaming 'TBE!' after you go life and death with Marcos Maidana and then turn around and come up with every excuse imaginable to avoid a fighter :lol

And he's got a few name fighters out there left for him to cherrypick- Danny Garcia fresh off his Rod Salsa win, Keith Thurman after his latest bum of the month conquest. His toughest challenge would be Amir Khan because he actually has speed and a nice jab as opposed to the usual flat-footed, slow fighters Floyd has been feasting on and struggling with lately. But he's already starting to exhibit some trepidation about that matchup.

But Showtime is growing weary of throwing away $35+ million on his sparring matches and losing money. Notice how immediately after the Maidana fight, Jim Gray was pressing him about Manny. They want the fight as much as everybody else, if only to recoup on their ill-advised investment.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Floyd went on another vacation or flat out 'retired' again.

[Norcaliblunt]

I love the way Mayweather fights. Whether on the street or in a ring this is how people should fight. Just dodge a few punches, get a counter in, make your opponent look stupid, and be on your way. Screw duking it out or grappling.

That said it is quite simple to see why people don't like him. His contrived villain role he tries to play with the cockiness and what not does fit his actual fighting style. He fights like a nice guy, the hero. If he was more humble and down to earth people would respect his craft a lot more. If you are gonna act like the bad guy with the trash talking antics you better be putting fools on their ass. Point blank period end of discussion.

[DonD13]

'crappiest legacy ever' :lol

people will not remember his convenient retirements and the guys he avoided (except maybe Pacquiao)

and they will not remember him trying to throw the fight like a bitch because somebody bit him in the glove....

his record is very nice but not TBE lol

i know for a fact that guys like Ali would have made the Pacquiao fight happen and not cry about how he wants to be able to speak with his kids after boxing... or drug testing... or purse split...

[KyleKong]

So why did Pac not take the fight when he was offered 40 mil. 50/50 split and random drug testing?

Pax didn't want to be exposed taking PEDs

That never happened.

Pac agreed to a 50/50 but refused to have his blood drawn an hour before the fight, which Mayweather insisted on happening. (Like PEDs take affect an hour after you take them :oldlol: )

All that shit was spewed by Floyd Sr. and Roger.

In fact, Manny successfully sued Floyd and Roger over them rambling about that.

Check yo facts.

[DeuceWallaces]

That never happened.

Pac agreed to a 50/50 but refused to have his blood drawn an hour before the fight, which Mayweather insisted on happening. (Like PEDs take affect an hour after you take them :oldlol: )

All that shit was spewed by Floyd Sr. and Roger.

In fact, Manny successfully sued Floyd and Roger over them rambling about that.

Check yo facts.

:oldlol: That's exactly how blood doping works. It's immediate. Try to lay off the Pactard talking points unless you know what you're talking about.

[ArbitraryWater]

'crappiest legacy ever' :lol

people will not remember his convenient retirements and the guys he avoided (except maybe Pacquiao)

and they will not remember him trying to throw the fight like a bitch because somebody bit him in the glove....

his record is very nice but not TBE lol

i know for a fact that guys like Ali would have made the Pacquiao fight happen and not cry about how he wants to be able to speak with his kids after boxing... or drug testing... or purse split...

:eek: :bowdown:

[ImKobe]

http://i.imgur.com/RZMErd7.png

[Crown&Coke]

TBE yea he aint gonna be known for that. Crappiest? Naw but he aint going to be known as one of the best like he thinks he should, whether that is right or wrong makes no difference, public perception is a muthafcker

But I don't think the world as a whole can knock Floyd down too much for "ducking" because the fight game is riddled with this type of shit.

Tyson didn't want to get down with Foreman

Cus D'amato didn't want Floyd Patterson to fight Liston

Sugar Ray waited until he got a chance to see Hagler slow down before coming back from retirement to fight him

Joe Gans will never get the true respect he deserves for the shit he had to go through to get anyone to fight him. First Black champ ever and yet hardly anyone knows who he is, but lots of folks knows Jack Johnson, but the Old Master went through hell and back to get his shot, hell, it literally ****in killed him. Everyone ducked him and when they didn't they totally stacked the deck against him and he still came out and balled out like a real boss

[Crown&Coke]

If Pac's side wasn't the one talking up a potential Floyd fight would there be this much uproar about it? I know fans want to see it for sure I'm just wondering out loud.

Before the devastating KO by JMM I thought Pac's side was done with chasing a Floyd fight? Maybe I'm not remembering right.

I thought it was both sides circling around each other measuring ***** and no real momentum to get a fight done. I just think both sides deserve some blame rather than put it all one side like "good vs evil"

[Rooster]

No career defining win. His best wins were against Corrales and the El Ternible rematch. He's always the favorite because he meticulously pick fighters he knows he can easily beat. He ducked fighter when they were beasting like Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao. The crazy thing is he could have beaten all of them if he was not scared. Well his legacy is based on money he made and his skills but not actual accomplishments. He beat a lot of good fighter but his resume lack of ATG status because of absence of career defining moments. He's gonna be remembered like Joe Calzaghe by boxing fans,

[yungtyrekeevans]

No career defining win. His best wins were against Corrales and the El Ternible rematch. He's always the favorite because he meticulously pick fighters he knows he can easily beat. He ducked fighter when they were beasting like Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao. The crazy thing is he could have beaten all of them if he was not scared. Well his legacy is based on money he made and his skills but not actual accomplishments. He beat a lot of good fighter but his resume lack of ATG status because of absence of career defining moments. He's gonna be remembered like Joe Calzaghe by boxing fans,

how he hand pickin fighters when he beat all the dudes manny beat and then some? :oldlol:
now he dodgin dudes he done already beat. cotto got whooped bruh.

scared? scared of who bruh? y'all act like just cuz he aint speakin on dudes that he running or something. he aint talk about ronda rousey when it brought up either. i guess he scared and duckin her too. :oldlol:

joe calzaghe? yeah, aight bruh. dude holdin all these belts, undisputed best defensive boxer, and beat everyone aside from manny. he goin down as the best of his time in his divisions.

[masonanddixon]

No career defining win. His best wins were against Corrales and the El Ternible rematch. He's always the favorite because he meticulously pick fighters he knows he can easily beat. He ducked fighter when they were beasting like Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao. The crazy thing is he could have beaten all of them if he was not scared. Well his legacy is based on money he made and his skills but not actual accomplishments. He beat a lot of good fighter but his resume lack of ATG status because of absence of career defining moments. He's gonna be remembered like Joe Calzaghe by boxing fans,

The GOAT super middleweight?

[yungtyrekeevans]

The GOAT super middleweight?

there aint a single person in the word that thinks so bruh.

why you racist?

[masonanddixon]

there aint a single person in the word that thinks so bruh.

why you racist?

Plenty of true fans believe he is the best super middleweight.

He went undefeated and beat everyone much like Mayweather. So why is he not TBE?

Try to give us a logical explanation without once again parading your 85 IQ

[yungtyrekeevans]

Plenty of true fans believe he is the best super middleweight.

He went undefeated and beat everyone much like Mayweather. So why is he not TBE?

Try to give us a logical explanation without once again parading your 85 IQ

dude you for real?
you the one with the burden of proof bruh.

he aint beat no one. aint no one respect the dude. best win is a 43 year old hopkins and 39 year old jones jr bruh. :oldlol:
bitch ass was too scared to fight real fighters bruh.

who believe he the best ever? no one but them british boys cuz they blind.

you a hypocrite and a racist bruh. somehow you aint puttin mayweather as the best, but you sayin joe the best but he aint beat the best in his division unlike PBF. so what the deal? why you racist?

[BRabbiT]

I don't think floyd gives a shit he makes to much money to even care


+1

[Vragrant]

Floyd will eventually regret his refusal to fight Manny, especially if Manny keeps pushing for the fight. The blame will be placed squarely on his shoulders when he retires and despite having a perfect record, his career will be heavily scrutinized whether fairly or unfairly.

I remember a friend of mine hated the movie called Eastern Promises. When I said I said I liked it, she mentioned she actually thought it was a great movie but the ending was horrible. That will most likely be Floyds' legacy when he retires w/o fighting Manny. It will leave bad taste in everybody's mouth and it will taint the perception of how great he really is.

[Nastradamus]

Yeah but everyone knows he lost to Castillo both times.

Bwahaha. Even if you thought he lost the first one, go read Castillo's quotes after the 2nd one.

[DonDadda59]

dude you for real?
you the one with the burden of proof bruh.

he aint beat no one. aint no one respect the dude. best win is a 43 year old hopkins and 39 year old jones jr bruh. :oldlol:
bitch ass was too scared to fight real fighters bruh.

who believe he the best ever? no one but them british boys cuz they blind.

you a hypocrite and a racist bruh. somehow you aint puttin mayweather as the best, but you sayin joe the best but he aint beat the best in his division unlike PBF. so what the deal? why you racist?

43 year old Hopkins>Anyone on Floyd's record (He also took Kessler's 0).

Even now, a 50 year old Hopkins is gearing up to take on a bonafide killer in Kovalev while nothing can convince Floyd to get in the ring with a Filipino midget :yaohappy:

[Godzuki]

floyd isn't a real fighter, definitely doesn't have the heart and fire of one. any true fighting champ, between boxing and MMA, thinks they can beat everyone. they don't sweat their record, they really think they can beat everyone put against them. Floyd is a poosee, calculated pooosee. any true fighting fan will never respect that mf'er with his state of mind, or his lame duck and move win by decision boxing only lame shit. i swear he'd get torn up in a real fight if someone just grabbed a hold of him where he couldn't duck and move and no ref to break shit up. he'd get his ass kicked in a real fight by a lot of mf'ers.

greatest fighter ever? ROFL, he's candidate for most overrated ever :bowdown:

and maybe one of the worst people ever too :bowdown:

[masonanddixon]

Bwahaha. Even if you thought he lost the first one, go read Castillo's quotes after the 2nd one.

Where he says he got bored of chasing Mayweather around? You're making yourself look silly.

[Kensta]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BywH-x6IgAAkpvK.jpg

[Nastradamus]

Where he says he got bored of chasing Mayweather around? You're making yourself look silly.

God you're a moron

"I never figured him out. I think he fought a more intelligent fight this time. I never felt I did anything this time." - Jose Luis Castillo

edit - This is a strong breakdown of the first fight. I could have lived with a draw,but Mayweather probably won a close one, 115-113, with a ****ed rotator cuff. The rematch was an easy win for Mayweather though.

http://theboxingtribune.com/2010/02/controversial-fight-series-mayweather-castillo-i/

[zoom17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl4AcphAvOM

" I know about Mike Tyson" lol.

[L.Kizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl4AcphAvOM

" I know about Mike Tyson" lol.
Do she know Amir Khan doe?

[RedBlackAttack]

When Pacquiao signed on to fight DLH, Oscar had last fought at 154 and Pacquiao had one fight at 135 after campaigning at 130... what's the difference? :confusedshrug:

Floyd ducked Winky Wright. Winky even agreed to a same day weigh-in and rehydration clause. Floyd punked out.

Winky had just come off a fight against Tito Trinidad at 160. Floyd had just fought Henry Bruseles at 140, his first fight at the weight class. I don't care (nor do I remember) who said what and who pulled whose card. It was a silly idea to believe that they'd fight one another.

Winky Wright was the WBA and WBC middleweight champ.

I remember there were honestly some people out there who thought Gatti would beat Floyd solely based on the advantage size advantage with Floyd moving up to 140. You're talking about him fighting a middle weight at that stage? Floyd could probably still be fighting at 140 if he wanted to. Guy comes into fights weighing 146. He is nowhere near a middleweight.


When Pacquiao fought DLH, he jumped one weight class to do it. He went from fighting Diaz at 135 to DLH at 147. You're talking about Floyd going from 140 to 160. Also, DLH fought Forbes at a catchweight of 150 prior to the Pacquiao bout... wait a minute... come to think of it, didn't Manny make DLH come all the way down to 145 or am I mistaken?



Listen, man... I'll discuss pretty much any topic with you, but we should probably just leave this one alone. You're totally unreasonable when it comes to Mayweather. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Winky had just come off a fight against Tito Trinidad at 160. Floyd had just fought Henry Bruseles at 140, his first fight at the weight class. I don't care (nor do I remember) who said what and who pulled whose card. It was a silly idea to believe that they'd fight one another.

Winky Wright was the WBA and WBC middleweight champ.

I remember there were honestly some people out there who thought Gatti would beat Floyd solely based on the advantage size advantage with Floyd moving up to 140. You're talking about him fighting a middle weight at that stage? Floyd could probably still be fighting at 140 if he wanted to. Guy comes into fights weighing 146. He is nowhere near a middleweight.


When Pacquiao fought DLH, he jumped one weight class to do it. He went from fighting Diaz at 135 to DLH at 147. You're talking about Floyd going from 140 to 160. Also, DLH fought Forbes at a catchweight of 150 prior to the Pacquiao bout... wait a minute... come to think of it, didn't Manny make DLH come all the way down to 145 or am I mistaken?



Listen, man... I'll discuss pretty much any topic with you, but we should probably just leave this one alone. You're totally unreasonable when it comes to Mayweather. :oldlol:

Nothing but nonsense in the bold. :lol

1) How is going from 135 to 147 'one weight class'? Are we going to make believe that junior lightweight (140) doesn't exist now?

2) Pac had only 1 fight at 135 before signing on to fight Oscar. He had been at Super featherweight (130) that same year. So you're complaining about Floyd ducking a fight (when he called out Winky mind you) because he would've been a 140-lber fighting at 154 against a 160-lber (w/ a same day weigh in and rehydration clause)... yet Manny, a 130-lber agreed to fight a 154-lber at 147 (with no same day weigh-in or rehydration clause). Same exact scenario. Sorry, but Floyd doesn't get a pass for ducking Winky Wright.

3) You are indeed mistaken. Pac-DLH was not a catchweight fight, Manny at that point couldn't 'make' Oscar do anything. It was a fight at 147 with one fighter coming up from 135 (who had been fighting at 130 that same year) and a fighter coming down from a 150 catchweight. The fight was viewed as a circus level mismatch and Manny was a 2-1 underdog. Of course after he blitzed him into retirement, now the narrative changes. But the conditions and scenario with Pac-Oscar were exactly the same as the fight that Floyd ducked against Winky.

Fighter from 130-lb weight class, having one fight at 135, going up to 147 to fight a guy who had been a 154-lber.

Fighter from 140-lb weight class, goes up to 154 (w/ same day weigh-in and rehydration clause) to fight a guy who had been a 160-lber.

Same exact thing, literally. But naturally it's absurd for calling out Floyd for outright ducking. :rolleyes:

[BIZARRO]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BywH-x6IgAAkpvK.jpg

That is awesome.

Floyd has become my least favorite athlete for multiple reasons. Many are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkigEfHmzh0

After Sugar Ray, Ali, Hagler, Holyfield, Lamotta, etc. and thousands who were warriors, "Money" Mayweather is shameful to boxing with the ducking and double talk in the past years.

[jaybee682]

Mayweather is nowhere near the real greats of boxing and it's a shame because he truly is one of the most skilled boxers ever. He handpicks fights because he knows he's done after that first loss, from a box office mainstream POV. I respect his business skills and how he has done what no other boxer has done from a financial POV.

[yungtyrekeevans]

That is awesome.

Floyd has become my least favorite athlete for multiple reasons. Many are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkigEfHmzh0

After Sugar Ray, Ali, Hagler, Holyfield, Lamotta, etc. and thousands who were warriors, "Money" Mayweather is shameful to boxing with the ducking and double talk in the past years.

whats awesome bruh is how they all say floyd better. :oldlol:

jmm said it right in front of mannys face.:roll:

[yungtyrekeevans]

Mayweather is nowhere near the real greats of boxing and it's a shame because he truly is one of the most skilled boxers ever. He handpicks fights because he knows he's done after that first loss, from a box office mainstream POV. I respect his business skills and how he has done what no other boxer has done from a financial POV.

he handpickin but he fought all the best fighters manny fought, and beat some better? how y'all keep sayin that but it dont make sense?

show me how he hand pickin, but manny aint? they fought the same dudes. :oldlol:

[masonanddixon]

God you're a moron

"I never figured him out. I think he fought a more intelligent fight this time. I never felt I did anything this time." - Jose Luis Castillo

edit - This is a strong breakdown of the first fight. I could have lived with a draw,but Mayweather probably won a close one, 115-113, with a ****ed rotator cuff. The rematch was an easy win for Mayweather though.

http://theboxingtribune.com/2010/02/controversial-fight-series-mayweather-castillo-i/

Here's a much large sample size in which its overhwlmingly in favor of Castillo

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=576019

http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/9/18/1034564/classic-round-by-round-jose-luis

Quit being disingenuous. You don't know half as much as I do about the sport. You're one of only a very tiny minority to believe Mayweather won.

In fact, the 2nd fight was a lot closer (Mayweather barely won if at all) than the first (Castillo won by at least 3 rds).

[jaybee682]

he handpickin but he fought all the best fighters manny fought, and beat some better? how y'all keep sayin that but it dont make sense?

show me how he hand pickin, but manny aint? they fought the same dudes. :oldlol:

He should have been made that fight happen with Manny, in another era this fight would have happened. Also I'd like to see Floyd fight Bradley and Keith Thurman as well.

[BIZARRO]

whats awesome bruh is how they all say floyd better. :oldlol:

jmm said it right in front of mannys face.:roll:


Floyd very well may be better. But he's still ducking.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Undefeated speaks for itself.

You don't have to knock someone out to win. You just have to win.

Floyd wins
That's all that matters, not what the other guy looks like after the fight. Lmao

It's boxing, not fighting, yall are morona

[Rooster]

he handpickin but he fought all the best fighters manny fought, and beat some better? how y'all keep sayin that but it dont make sense?

show me how he hand pickin, but manny aint? they fought the same dudes. :oldlol:

Pacquiao went through the three Amigos and he took some fights that many thought he was an underdog and that speaks for itself. He took a lot of great risk . Not so much for Floyd especially after avenging his only loss. When Miguel Cotto was body snatching everyone at 140, Floyd said Puerto Rico was too far. When Margarito was pummeling everyone like he has no regard for human life, Floyd was stuttering in front of his face. When Pacquiao was rearranging everyone faces, Floyd got scared and insinuated Pacquaio was using PED. He has too many excuses to not grow a pair when every boxing fans were clamoring for these fights.

Great accomplishment comes from great risk. Floyd had all the boxing skills of the world but just did not have the guts of Hopkins. Floyd was a calculated biatch. You can tell by the way he pick his opponents and the way he fights. And that is why he will never get the respect that all of those ATG got as far as accomplishments go. His legacy was money and his skills.

[Rooster]

That is awesome.

Floyd has become my least favorite athlete for multiple reasons. Many are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkigEfHmzh0

After Sugar Ray, Ali, Hagler, Holyfield, Lamotta, etc. and thousands who were warriors, "Money" Mayweather is shameful to boxing with the ducking and double talk in the past years.

Floyd will not be remembered like those aforementioned warriors especially by boxing fans . Remember his health comes first. Too bad because he actually has that ability to dig deep like on his loss to Castillo.

[Rooster]

Nothing but nonsense in the bold. :lol

1) How is going from 135 to 147 'one weight class'? Are we going to make believe that junior lightweight (140) doesn't exist now?

2) Pac had only 1 fight at 135 before signing on to fight Oscar. He had been at Super featherweight (130) that same year. So you're complaining about Floyd ducking a fight (when he called out Winky mind you) because he would've been a 140-lber fighting at 154 against a 160-lber (w/ a same day weigh in and rehydration clause)... yet Manny, a 130-lber agreed to fight a 154-lber at 147 (with no same day weigh-in or rehydration clause). Same exact scenario. Sorry, but Floyd doesn't get a pass for ducking Winky Wright.

3) You are indeed mistaken. Pac-DLH was not a catchweight fight, Manny at that point couldn't 'make' Oscar do anything. It was a fight at 147 with one fighter coming up from 135 (who had been fighting at 130 that same year) and a fighter coming down from a 150 catchweight. The fight was viewed as a circus level mismatch and Manny was a 2-1 underdog. Of course after he blitzed him into retirement, now the narrative changes. But the conditions and scenario with Pac-Oscar were exactly the same as the fight that Floyd ducked against Winky.

Fighter from 130-lb weight class, having one fight at 135, going up to 147 to fight a guy who had been a 154-lber.

Fighter from 140-lb weight class, goes up to 154 (w/ same day weigh-in and rehydration clause) to fight a guy who had been a 160-lber.

Same exact thing, literally. But naturally it's absurd for calling out Floyd for outright ducking. :rolleyes:

It will be illogical to think Floyd will fight Winky after Winky just surgically plastered his jab on Tito's face.

[Nastradamus]

Here's a much large sample size in which its overhwlmingly in favor of Castillo

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=576019

http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/9/18/1034564/classic-round-by-round-jose-luis

Quit being disingenuous. You don't know half as much as I do about the sport. You're one of only a very tiny minority to believe Mayweather won.

In fact, the 2nd fight was a lot closer (Mayweather barely won if at all) than the first (Castillo won by at least 3 rds).

Lol, even the guy you say won the fight(#2) doesn't agree with you. He sounded like Canelo after he fought Mayweather.

The only reason Castillo got the power punch edge in fight 1 was body blows in the clinch, which is weak ass shit that I don't even count.