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All Net
09-27-2014, 03:38 PM
How are you finding the quality of the board since the changes have come into play?

Since all mods have been given banning power how are your feelings on the standard of the board in terms of basketball discussion? Are you happy with the improvements made where trolls will get banned if they continue to act up and create agenda based trolls that just end with back and forth insults?

Do you see this board being able to have purely good basketball discussions as the season goes on?

As the season goes on the amount of trolls threads that are made post game if certain teams lose or if certain players have terrible games will be there and hopefully dealt with.

keep-itreal
09-27-2014, 03:41 PM
Censorship is great imo :rolleyes:

All Net
09-27-2014, 03:47 PM
Yeah the challenge when the season starts with all the threads to come after certain games and if a hated team loses or if Lebron, Kobe, KD e.t.c have bad games we know it will be tempting for people to post crap threads for that reason. Hopefully if these people know what will happen to them if they do maybe it will convince them not to make them. Guess we will see.

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 03:50 PM
It def has been better, but still room for improvement imo

Cocaine80s
09-27-2014, 03:52 PM
Yea, I haven't been negged in over a month :cheers:

JimmyMcAdocious
09-27-2014, 03:54 PM
It's about the same. The bad trolling has been replaced with bitching.

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 03:57 PM
Yea, I haven't been negged in over a month :cheers:

That's because negging was disabled until today..


Time to make it rain
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkh5yge9471qbofejo1_500.gif

GrapeApe
09-27-2014, 04:01 PM
Censorship is great imo :rolleyes:

Stupid comment. This is a privately operated website. There's rules and guidlines that the administrator has every right to set and enforce. Deleting threads and banning trolls is no different than a business owner kicking you out of their store for acting like a fool.

ZMonkey11
09-27-2014, 04:02 PM
For a part-time lurker, this forum has been much more readable. I don't have to deal with 10 threads in a row asking the same Kobe or LeBJ questions with one caveat differentiating.


Censorship is great imo :rolleyes:

ISH is privately owned. Do you prefer someone shitting on top of your newspaper before you read it?

All they have done is clean up all the idiots that made this place an unbearable shit show that I had to scour to get to any good information. I started hopping to the team specific forums for a while because so many idiots kept posting about the same old thing and playing swords with each other.

I commend the mods and Jeff for finally making this place almost respectable.

Milbuck
09-27-2014, 04:05 PM
Yea, I haven't been negged in over a month :cheers:
http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww85/Buster_Jaimen/negged.gif

keep-itreal
09-27-2014, 04:07 PM
For a part-time lurker, this forum has been much more readable. I don't have to deal with 10 threads in a row asking the same Kobe or LeBJ questions with one caveat differentiating.



ISH is privately owned. Do you prefer someone shitting on top of your newspaper before you read it?

All they have done is clean up all the idiots that made this place an unbearable shit show that I had to scour to get to any good information. I started hopping to the team specific forums for a while because so many idiots kept posting about the same old thing and playing swords with each other.

I commend the mods and Jeff for finally making this place almost respectable.

Just because you think something is trolling/shit doesn't mean everyone does.

You just want the forum to be everything that you like, every you want to see/read.

You want the mods to delete everything you don't like, ****ing diva

JohnMax
09-27-2014, 04:09 PM
Registry better be open at all times because I only have one account.

oarabbus
09-27-2014, 04:18 PM
Just because you think something is trolling/shit doesn't mean everyone does.

You just want the forum to be everything that you like, every you want to see/read.

You want the mods to delete everything you don't like, ****ing diva


Chill the fcuk out man. There was 10 times as much noise as there was signal before the changes, now it's only 8. You must be one of the guys with 6 alt troll accounts and can't have your fun anymore.

Fudge
09-27-2014, 04:23 PM
I just don't understand why Budadiiii and russ is banned. Can any mods/admins explain this to me, please? Thoroughly too, I just did a few coke rips.

BrownEye007
09-27-2014, 04:27 PM
Dubeta and his alts still talk to each other quite a bit just a little less often. They're also the only ones that make posts saying "mods" when they see something they don't like instead of just reporting it. They need to get banned more often.

ZMonkey11
09-27-2014, 04:29 PM
Just because you think something is trolling/shit doesn't mean everyone does.

You just want the forum to be everything that you like, every you want to see/read.

You want the mods to delete everything you don't like, ****ing diva

:oldlol:

You know what, you are absolutely correct. I hated sifting through all the Kobe vs LeBJ threads to finally get to a thread I liked, then have it turn into a Kobe vs LeBJ thread. You are abso****inglutely correct.

Could not agree with you more.

:applause: :lebronamazed:

WTFdidNBAbigsGO
09-27-2014, 04:37 PM
I made this account hoping to have proper basketball discussions with people. But 80% of the users just troll or make personal attacks 2 try and be funny. I never think this site will be used for proper basketball discussions, unfortunately. That is the reason I have like 30 posts or something

JT123
09-27-2014, 04:45 PM
I just don't understand why Budadiiii and russ is banned. Can any mods/admins explain this to me, please? Thoroughly too, I just did a few coke rips.
Because they are trolls, and unfunny ones at that. Besides, we both know they have tons of alts anyway.

Fudge
09-27-2014, 05:04 PM
Because they are trolls, and unfunny ones at that. Besides, we both know they have tons of alts anyway.
You're an even worse troll though, bro.

uber
09-27-2014, 05:07 PM
I made this account hoping to have proper basketball discussions with people. But 80% of the users just troll or make personal attacks 2 try and be funny. I never think this site will be used for proper basketball discussions, unfortunately. That is the reason I have like 30 posts or something

well that's ISH .. everybody finds out sooner or later

Pointguard
09-27-2014, 05:10 PM
Its like breathing clean air. The product is much better. It feels like it is, what I came here for. I googled basketball message board and it is what it says it is now. Once respect is part of the recipe everything raises up some. It was becoming a bastion for haters but you guys did your work quickly and changed it quicker than I ever thought you could.

pauk
09-27-2014, 05:10 PM
Better, absolutely.

Smoke117
09-27-2014, 05:13 PM
Remove All Net from the mod list. I can see this guy on a massive power trip eventually. He's got all the signs of a future tyrant and is already falling in love with "policing" the board.

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 05:14 PM
Remove All Net from the mod list. I can see this guy on a massive power trip eventually. He's got all the signs of a future tyrant. He's already falling in love with "policing" the board.

wtf lmfao

ILLsmak
09-27-2014, 05:20 PM
How are you finding the quality of the board since the changes have come into play?

Since all mods have been given banning power how are your feelings on the standard of the board in terms of basketball discussion? Are you happy with the improvements made where trolls will get banned if they continue to act up and create agenda based trolls that just end with back and forth insults?

Do you see this board being able to have purely good basketball discussions as the season goes on?

As the season goes on the amount of trolls threads that are made post game if certain teams lose or if certain players have terrible games will be there and hopefully dealt with.

A bit better but same old...

They need to make an ISH All Stars subforum and invite only good posters. I hope they do this even if I wasn't invited :*(

That's the next step.

-Smak

All Net
09-27-2014, 05:30 PM
Remove All Net from the mod list. I can see this guy on a massive power trip eventually. He's got all the signs of a future tyrant and is already falling in love with "policing" the board.
All I want to do is take out all the bad garbage. I want this place to have only good basketball discussion with no trolling.

I wouldn't need to ban Anybody if they stick to just talking basketball. The last thing I want to do is ban Anybody. That's the last thing I want to do but if it's needed to clean the place up that's what we will do.

moe94
09-27-2014, 05:34 PM
I haven't noticed a change

oarabbus
09-27-2014, 05:51 PM
I haven't noticed a change


:roll: yeah kinda this though. That's why I said before the signal to noise ratio was 1:10, now it's slightly better at 1:8 :lol


I honestly wouldn't mind if the mods got a little loose with the banhammer for a little bit.

ralph_i_el
09-27-2014, 06:35 PM
It has been much better recently. Doesn't mean we can't have any funny threads or troll threads. Honestly there have been a lot of good funny threads recently

poido123
09-27-2014, 06:36 PM
Remove All Net from the mod list. I can see this guy on a massive power trip eventually. He's got all the signs of a future tyrant and is already falling in love with "policing" the board.


This was totally uncalled for.

Is it really all nets banning activity that's bothering YOU? Or is it certain posters that have been banned you didn't agree with...

This place has becoming more bearable, mods have done their job imo.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
09-27-2014, 06:39 PM
This was totally uncalled for.

Is it really all nets banning activity that's bothering YOU? Or is it certain posters that have been banned you didn't agree with...

Dude hates All net because he's a Laker fan. Lets keep it 100 :lol

poido123
09-27-2014, 06:44 PM
Dude hates All net because he's a Laker fan. Lets keep it 100 :lol


Yeah, smoke117 is part of the lebron crowd. AW couldn't wait to piggyback his sentiments straight after his post :oldlol:

Mr. Jabbar
09-27-2014, 06:45 PM
i dont know. this place was cool because of the trolling etc. if the site turns into realgm 2.0 loses the appeal and uniqueness it had compared to other boards. I'm sure jeff will be vigilant with the sites traffic with these changes, if it draws away traffic in the long term every mod can say goodbye to their powers. perhaps the better solution was just ip banning dubeta..

i may be wrong, but i doubt it.

navy
09-27-2014, 06:49 PM
i dont know. this place was cool because of the trolling etc. if the site turns into realgm 2.0 loses the appeal and uniqueness it had compared to other boards. I'm sure jeff will be vigilant with the sites traffic with these changes, if it draws away traffic in the long term every mod can say goodbye to their powers. perhaps the better solution was just ip banning dubeta..

i may be wrong, but i doubt it.
:lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhusltpwMIQ

poido123
09-27-2014, 06:50 PM
i dont know. this place was cool because of the trolling etc. if the site turns into realgm 2.0 loses the appeal and uniqueness it had compared to other boards. I'm sure jeff will be vigilant with the sites traffic with these changes, if it draws away traffic in the long term every mod can say goodbye to their powers. perhaps the better solution was just ip banning dubeta..

i may be wrong, but i doubt it.


I support this.

Dubeta and his alts was the main issue with trolling, without that and this site would be fine IMO. Even though SilkkTheShocker annoys the f.ck out of me, he is funny and clever with his trolling.

If mods lose their banning power, please do the right thing and IP ban that dubeta before you do.

Smoke117
09-27-2014, 06:51 PM
This board is so easy...I was being facetious.

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 06:53 PM
Yeah, smoke117 is part of the lebron crowd. AW couldn't wait to piggyback his sentiments straight after his post :oldlol:

:biggums:

You know what "piggyback" means?

In what places did I hurt you, Boy?

So bad you still making the most outrageous accusations of shit you see right infront of your eyes...

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 06:54 PM
This board is so easy...I was being facetious.

Pretty much what I thought.. Never popped my mind as a stan, troll or whatever.. Guys like poido overreact, those are the same kind of People that right away want to group you in some category... Like high School. Shit's sad but whatever.

poido123
09-27-2014, 06:56 PM
:biggums:

You know what "piggyback" means?

In what places did I hurt you, Boy?

So bad you still making the most outrageous accusations of shit you see right infront of your eyes...


You have been hating kobe/Lakers as long as I've known you on here :oldlol:

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 06:58 PM
You have been hating kobe/Lakers as long as I've known you on here :oldlol:

*Trying to figure out some kind of connection between this post, mine, your previous and this thread..

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 06:59 PM
Mods please, that can't be tolerated.. He's just trolling and spamming right now. Poido need to learn.. I say give him a ban for the month and see if he comes out with some brain cells.

Cocaine80s
09-27-2014, 07:01 PM
Mods please, that can't be tolerated.. He's just trolling and spamming right now. Poido need to learn.. I say give him a ban for the month and see if he comes out with some brain cells.
repped

poido123
09-27-2014, 07:03 PM
*Trying to figure out some kind of connection between this post, mine, your previous and this thread..


Connection: "wtf lmao" to a post calling for all nets ban. All net is a Lakers fan.


Just thought I'd put it in layman's terms so that you know i understand. :cheers:

MP.Trey
09-27-2014, 07:05 PM
Just having no Euroleague here anymore is a win in my books. :applause:

navy
09-27-2014, 07:07 PM
Poido is that teacher's pet in class who snitches and does bad shit as well but doesn't get in trouble.

Cocaine80s
09-27-2014, 07:07 PM
Btw is real14 perma banned?

Dude made a thread about how he was gonna stop hating on Lebron but then got banned for it :oldlol:

STATUTORY
09-27-2014, 07:07 PM
what are these new changes? i have been away

ArbitraryWater
09-27-2014, 07:11 PM
Poido is that teacher's pet in class who snitches and does bad shit as well but doesn't get in trouble.

And seemingly retarded..

"wtf lmfao" gave him the Impression of "I agree Smoke, my fellow LeBron fan, All Net should indeed be ripped of his mod powers"

poido123
09-27-2014, 07:18 PM
Poido is that teacher's pet in class who snitches and does bad shit as well but doesn't get in trouble.


Bad shit?

I only ever have a problem with awful posters on here.

Lets see;

Jameer
Arbitrary waters
Silktheshocker
Jshuttlesworth
Dubeta and friends
Navy/fdlsu
YGS
cactusack
Cocaine80s

They are the main ones.

As you can see, most of them are always fighting with other posters or banned at some point.

Smoke117
09-27-2014, 07:18 PM
Btw is real14 perma banned?

Dude made a thread about how he was gonna stop hating on Lebron but then got banned for it :oldlol:

If he is banned...he should be unbanned. He's always good for a laugh.

navy
09-27-2014, 08:13 PM
Bad shit?

I only ever have a problem with awful posters on here.

Lets see;

Jameer
Arbitrary waters
Silktheshocker
Jshuttlesworth
Dubeta and friends
Navy/fdlsu
YGS
cactusack
Cocaine80s

They are the main ones.

As you can see, most of them are always fighting with other posters or banned at some point.

This nikka name 10+ posters and thinks the adjective "only" applies. :oldlol:

JT123
09-27-2014, 08:14 PM
Btw is real14 perma banned?

Dude made a thread about how he was gonna stop hating on Lebron but then got banned for it :oldlol:
Naw, he got banned for crying about his anti Lebron troll thread being deleted. I hope he is perma banned, guy was annoying as shit.

rlsmooth775
09-27-2014, 08:29 PM
has anyone got permanently banned

Kblaze8855
09-27-2014, 08:41 PM
I'm sure jeff will be vigilant with the sites traffic with these changes, if it draws away traffic in the long term every mod can say goodbye to their powers.

9 people are currently banned by the mods.

The banned list is in alphabetical order.

The admin account has banned 89 people.....

before you get the the letter B.

89 bans....of user names starting with a number or the letter "a".

All mods combined....9.

Admin account...

Literally...thousands.

Jeff is not worried about trolls generating traffic.

He and his people remove more of them than the mods ever will.

poido123
09-27-2014, 08:56 PM
This nikka name 10+ posters and thinks the adjective "only" applies. :oldlol:


There are a lot of posters on ISH.

10 is a drop in a big pond.

oarabbus
09-27-2014, 08:59 PM
Bad shit?

I only ever have a problem with awful posters on here.

Lets see;

Jameer
Arbitrary waters
Silktheshocker
Jshuttlesworth
Dubeta and friends
Navy/fdlsu
YGS
cactusack
Cocaine80s

They are the main ones.

As you can see, most of them are always fighting with other posters or banned at some point.

Jshuttles and YGS are alright.

Mr Exlax
09-27-2014, 09:00 PM
ISH is slowly but surely returning to it's glory days. I visit and comment waaaaay more than I did before. I love the site again. I can't wait till the season starts so me and my fellow basketball enthusiasts can discuss all things basketball and clown around a lil bit as well.

poido123
09-27-2014, 09:12 PM
Jshuttles and YGS are alright.


Jshuttles is a certified buttlicker for reps(jameer/AW) He and i will never get along because of his undying love for lebron and his slurping of other posters i despise.

YGS had a go at me in an alt thread without ever talking to the guy. Ever since then we haven't got along. People can get pretty sour when they root for a team led by coward and haren.

Droid101
09-27-2014, 09:12 PM
It's better during the three days that dubeta/dragic/lebronxrings/jt/silk/kenneth are banned. Then, for the day or so before they are reported and re-banned, it sucks again.

So, mostly better.

Cocaine80s
09-27-2014, 09:28 PM
Jshuttles is a certified buttlicker for reps(jameer/AW) He and i will never get along because of his undying love for lebron and his slurping of other posters i despise.

YGS had a go at me in an alt thread without ever talking to the guy. Ever since then we haven't got along. People can get pretty sour when they root for a team led by coward and haren.
youre too old to be taking ISH this serious :facepalm

coin24
09-27-2014, 09:29 PM
Why can't you just ban those losers with multiple accounts?

But yeah it seems a bit better although I havnt been on much. You'll never stop those reaction threads after a big game or moment though.

poido123
09-27-2014, 09:42 PM
youre too old to be taking ISH this serious :facepalm

Says the guy begging for reps :oldlol:

Hey Yo
09-27-2014, 09:54 PM
It's better during the three days that dubeta/dragic/lebronxrings/jt/silk/kenneth are banned. Then, for the day or so before they are reported and re-banned, it sucks again.

So, mostly better.
negged

Cocaine80s
09-27-2014, 09:59 PM
Says the guy begging for reps :oldlol:
youre entire team's fanbase here are rep beggers :oldlol:
including you :roll:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196832

poido123
09-27-2014, 10:06 PM
youre entire team's fanbase here are rep beggers :oldlol:
including you :roll:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196832


You said that im too old to be this serious about ISH. I pointed out that you take ISH just as seriously by begging for reps.

I dont care if you rep your own fanbase. In fact, you should. Begging anyone for reps? Thats weird.

navy
09-27-2014, 10:08 PM
youre entire team's fanbase here are rep beggers :oldlol:
including you :roll:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196832
:roll:

All Net
09-27-2014, 10:59 PM
It's better during the three days that dubeta/dragic/lebronxrings/jt/silk/kenneth are banned. Then, for the day or so before they are reported and re-banned, it sucks again.

So, mostly better.

Basically how it will go is this, if you are banned and then when your ban expires the ban will get larger each time. Say

Ban 1- 7 days
Ban again- 3 weeks
Ban again- 2 months

would have to be pretty bad to get a perm ban.

So really is it worth it to act up? just post normally and there are no issues.

chips93
09-27-2014, 11:29 PM
You said that im too old to be this serious about ISH. I pointed out that you take ISH just as seriously by begging for reps.

I dont care if you rep your own fanbase. In fact, you should. Begging anyone for reps? Thats weird.

come on man, there both weird as ****

its not 'repping' your fanbase when you ask fellow fans in a sub thread for reps

dunksby
09-28-2014, 12:12 AM
The board is much better now, thank you :cheers:

Droid101
09-28-2014, 12:48 AM
Basically how it will go is this, if you are banned and then when your ban expires the ban will get larger each time. Say

Ban 1- 7 days
Ban again- 3 weeks
Ban again- 2 months

would have to be pretty bad to get a perm ban.

So really is it worth it to act up? just post normally and there are no issues.
:cheers:

Mr. Jabbar
09-28-2014, 01:02 AM
9 people are currently banned by the mods.

The banned list is in alphabetical order.

The admin account has banned 89 people.....

before you get the the letter B.

89 bans....of user names starting with a number or the letter "a".

All mods combined....9.

Admin account...

Literally...thousands.

Jeff is not worried about trolls generating traffic.

He and his people remove more of them than the mods ever will.


interesting stat but i would wait for the season to start to see how it goes. troll wars really begin at season tipoff

Timmy D for MVP
09-28-2014, 02:51 AM
I came back to find the NBA forum a complete mess. I almost just left for good. But it's been improving recently. I think being so close to the season helps too. A lot more concrete things to talk about.

iamgine
09-28-2014, 03:17 AM
How are you finding the quality of the board since the changes have come into play?

Since all mods have been given banning power how are your feelings on the standard of the board in terms of basketball discussion? Are you happy with the improvements made where trolls will get banned if they continue to act up and create agenda based trolls that just end with back and forth insults?

Do you see this board being able to have purely good basketball discussions as the season goes on?

As the season goes on the amount of trolls threads that are made post game if certain teams lose or if certain players have terrible games will be there and hopefully dealt with.
How do you report trolling?

Or we just don't :confusedshrug:

Dragic4Life
09-28-2014, 03:21 AM
So far so good.

ArbitraryWater
09-28-2014, 07:49 AM
Says the guy begging for reps :oldlol:

http://i.gyazo.com/66e12d0293121c3501cd63349e36348e.png

All Net
09-28-2014, 07:58 AM
How do you report trolling?

Or we just don't :confusedshrug:
The red icon at the bottom of somebody's post.

poido123
09-28-2014, 08:01 AM
http://i.gyazo.com/66e12d0293121c3501cd63349e36348e.png


What relevance has this got to do with this thread?

Comon man, this conversation ended hours ago.

Stick to being that "sleuth"

BuffaloBill
09-28-2014, 08:01 AM
Let's see how things go once the season starts.

HomieWeMajor
09-28-2014, 08:01 AM
When I first heard that the mods would be getting banning powers I was really excited but tbh it hasn't changed much.

All Net
09-28-2014, 08:02 AM
When I first heard that the mods would be getting banning powers I was really excited but tbh it hasn't changed much.
In what way hasn't it changed Do you think?

Darius
09-28-2014, 09:55 AM
It's been better.

I think there is a good balance right now between some light trolling for kicks and more legit threads.

Le Shaqtus
09-28-2014, 10:37 AM
The same retards are still here so once the season kicks off it's going to get messy.

HomieWeMajor
09-28-2014, 10:49 AM
In what way hasn't it changed Do you think?
Some posters still getting away with their thinly-veiled agenda threads.

ArbitraryWater
09-28-2014, 12:06 PM
What relevance has this got to do with this thread?

Comon man, this conversation ended hours ago.

Stick to being that "sleuth"

Only thing that mattered is that it had relevance to your post.. which already derailed this thread.



--Mods please, what's poido still doing here?

Fudge
09-28-2014, 12:40 PM
F*cking love how mad LeBron stans get because of poido. Dude is a legend in my book. He's got all you clowns on strings. :oldlol:

Fallen Angel
09-28-2015, 02:41 AM
Mods need to keep their ban power

mentallooser
09-28-2015, 05:41 AM
Didn't notice to be honest

Clifton
09-28-2015, 05:52 AM
Think about what this board was 12 years ago. Does anyone remember?

My first experiences of this board were not even basketball-related. I liked the discussion itself. It could have been about hockey for all I cared. The personalities who frequented this place.. the depth of insight from the guys with the highest post-counts.

Now those guys are almost all long-gone because the board's decline has made it a waste of time. I still come around every now and then hoping for a glimmer of insight somewhere. But you have to wade through 90% crap people post from their phones to find it.

There is no reason this place shouldn't at least be better than reddit/nba.

I applaud every effort to improve the discourse here.

6 for 24
09-28-2015, 06:39 AM
If I may offer a humble suggestion...

I think that ISH should consider lowering its strict registration requirements. I understand that this is "a mecca for intelligent basketball discussion" and as such has an elite membership, but we should open our doors to at least a few more denizens of the basketball community.

I recommended this site to a mate of mine, and he was quite enthusiastic after reading the "welcome" message:

http://i.imgur.com/0TRAIdl.jpg

since it indicated this would only take "a minute or two of [his] time!" He even made a careful note to be sure to IMMEDIATELY email editor2@insidehoops.com upon registration (he is an IT person for our geocities community here in Mozambique so he is familiar with this type of sophisticated technical setup). However, when he went to register, he was met with the following:

http://i.imgur.com/Buqw6EO.jpg

Although he was disappointed, he knew it would be "worth the wait" so he blocked off his entire Sunday evening to ensure that he could meet the registration deadline. What is a few days wait for YEARS of fun?

But then, when the time came around, the registration was not open! So, sadly, Dumasai is instead a member of the inferior "RealGM" board. This is a shame, because he would have a lot to offer here.

I know the ownership here is very busy upgrading the servers and staying on top of the latest technical developments, but perhaps they could appoint someone to assist with the registration approval during the Sunday window. I can recommend my friend if need be, since, as noted, he is very familiar with the latest IT infrastructure-- not just Geocities but also Angelfire, Lycos search engine, and Netscape compatibility.

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

HighFlyer23
09-28-2015, 06:45 AM
Place is still a cesspool with stupid mofos