Another ball forum has Elgin Baylor ranked #33 All-Time

[L.Kizzle]

And the five players right in front of him:


28. Walt Frazier
29. Rick Barry
30. John Havlicek
31. Chris Paul
32. Clyde Drexler

:biggums:

[Cocaine80s]

is that good or bad

[MP.Trey]

is that good or bad
It's a travesty. Baylor is top 20 all-time at the lowest imo. Around the ranks of Isiah, Barkley, Malone, Dirk/KG, etc.

Havlicek/Barry look a little too low on that list, Baylor certainly way too low and CP3 certainly way too high.

[Legends66NBA7]

What was the reasoning behind the selections ? Or was it just a vote without explanation ?

[JohnMax]

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[Shep]

should be 25th

[fsvr54]

Frazier is the most underrated player ever, good to see him get a respectable ranking.

[moe94]

Paul :banana: :rockon:

[CavaliersFTW]

Elgin Baylor is without a shadow of a doubt better and greater than all of those guys... Even Havlicek, who's the "closest" one too him listed in the OP. Nobody from that time period would have ever ranked Havlicek above Baylor, let alone Frazier. Only revisionist historians who roll with "rings" arguments or die hard Celtics fans might argue otherwise.

And Chris Paul!? Chris ****ing Paul? Makes me sick. What a ****ing joke, what the heck has Chris Paul ever done to show he's half the player Baylor was? Chris Paul is more like Lenny Wilkins level ...not even in the same stratosphere as Baylor :oldlol:

[Cold soul]

That's a joke and an insult to Elgin Baylor who top 20-25 all-time not 33.

[ralph_i_el]

Elgin Baylor is without a shadow of a doubt better and greater than all of those guys... Even Havlicek, who's the "closest" one too him listed in the OP. Nobody from that time period would have ever ranked Havlicek above Baylor, let alone Frazier. Only revisionist historians who roll with "rings" arguments or die hard Celtics fans might argue otherwise.

And Chris Paul!? Chris ****ing Paul? Makes me sick. What a ****ing joke, what the heck has Chris Paul ever done to show he's half the player Baylor was? Chris Paul is more like Lenny Wilkins level ...not even in the same stratosphere as Baylor :oldlol:
:rolleyes: bolded...and then you go dissin Chris Paul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaKvmpfivUk
dude's out there dropping perfect games after losing considerable athleticism since his knee injury.

[CavaliersFTW]

:rolleyes: bolded...and then you go dissin Chris Paul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaKvmpfivUk
dude's out there dropping perfect games after losing considerable athleticism since his knee injury.
Chris Paul could have several rings and he's still not greater than Elgin Baylor, nor the better player. Elgin's impact and historical contributions to the game have been greater than Chris Pauls, and Elgin's talent and statiscal domination as an individual player speaks for itself as far as individual ability goes - he was a lot more impactful on the court than Paul. I was exaggerating when I said Paul is Lenny Wilkins status, he's a cut above Wilkins. But he's more than a couple cuts below Elgin Baylor. He should be closer to Lenny Wilkins on an all-time list than he is to Elgin Baylor. He should be well below Elgin Baylor.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

What are you doing cheating on us with another board?

reported

[L.Kizzle]

Artis Gilmore voted #35.

Isiah Thomas yet to make their rankings.

The hell is goin on over there.

[SpecialQue]

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:lebronamazed:

[ArbitraryWater]

Artis Gilmore voted #35.

Isiah Thomas yet to make their rankings.

The hell is goin on over there.

They really have alot of knowledgable minds (especially in the comparison board) but I really don't know why they're so clueless about a couple players like KG, Isiah or Baylor..

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Baylor and Isiah definitely belong much higher than that. Probably top 20 for both but some of you are seriously underrating Chris Paul...This is a guy who in his prime was considered by A LOT of basketball fans as being better than prime Kobe Bryant and nearly prime LeBron James. He absolutely belongs in the Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Payton tier of PGS.

31 might be too high for him atm but by the end of his career he will probably belong there. He might just be the GOAT sub 6 footer (i'd take him over Iverson all day).

[Dresta]

Chris Paul could have several rings and he's still not greater than Elgin Baylor, nor the better player. Elgin's impact and historical contributions to the game have been greater than Chris Pauls, and Elgin's talent and statiscal domination as an individual player speaks for itself as far as individual ability goes - he was a lot more impactful on the court than Paul. I was exaggerating when I said Paul is Lenny Wilkins status, he's a cut above Wilkins. But he's more than a couple cuts below Elgin Baylor. He should be closer to Lenny Wilkins on an all-time list than he is to Elgin Baylor. He should be well below Elgin Baylor.
Chris Paul has been as statistically dominant as Baylor was, according to advanced stats, more so in fact.

He put up PG numbers not matched since Magic, so how exactly is he like Lenny Wilkins? His numbers are miles better.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Frazier is the most underrated player ever, good to see him get a respectable ranking.


Not really. Old heads talk about how he took over the finals against the Lakers in that Willis Reed comeback game all the time.

[SOD 21]

Unfortunately for Elgin Baylor, losing in the NBA finals eight times significantly reduced his place in NBA history, including losing seven championship series to the Boston Celtics with the Russell.

It also doesn't help that the only championship for the Lakers in this era happened the year in which he retired early in the season in 1972.

But he was a great talent that has become overlooked who averaged: 30 points, 15 rebounds and 4.4 assists his first six NBA season. Although his field-goal percentage wasn't great and you took a lot of shots to get those points. But still an all-time great that I would likely rank about 25th all time, so he's a little low on that list.

[L.Kizzle]

Currently

46. Ray Allen
47.Willis Reed

[Marchesk]

Unfortunately for Elgin Baylor, losing in the NBA finals eight times significantly reduced his place in NBA history, including losing seven championship series to the Boston Celtics with the Russell.

Was that his fault, though? Was he underperforming? Or did they lose to the better team?

[L.Kizzle]

A few updates.

Kevin Johnson is one spot above Allen Iverson at 55. Pau Gasol is one spot behind Dave Cowens 53. There is a current battle between Elvin Hayes and Chauncey Billups for the 57th spot.

G.O.A.T. where are you?

[sportjames23]

It's a travesty. Baylor is top 20 all-time at the lowest imo. Around the ranks of Isiah, Barkley, Malone, Dirk/KG, etc.

Havlicek/Barry look a little too low on that list, Baylor certainly way too low and CP3 certainly way too high.


This.

[fragokota]

Was that his fault, though? Was he underperforming? Or did they lose to the better team?

It doesn't matter really, it;s all about facts after quite some time has passed. If Lebron ends up losing a couple more finals to Pop's Spurs, nobody is gonna remember 40 years from now that Spurs were clearly the better team (almost) all the times the faced Lebron's teams. All people will remember is that he got owned by Pop over and over again.

[pudman13]

is that good or bad

It's ridiculous. Clyde Drexler ahead of Baylor?

[Marchesk]

It doesn't matter really, it;s all about facts after quite some time has passed. If Lebron ends up losing a couple more finals to Pop's Spurs, nobody is gonna remember 40 years from now that Spurs were clearly the better team (almost) all the times the faced Lebron's teams. All people will remember is that he got owned by Pop over and over again.

Lebron will still be top 10 regardless. Everyone knows the Celtics were a super dynasty. Baylor isn't penalized for that. He's just forgotten.

[fragokota]

Lebron will still be top 10 regardless. Everyone knows the Celtics were a super dynasty. Baylor isn't penalized for that. He's just forgotten.

Ofc Lebron will be a top 10 once he retires. Baylor was top 10 up until the 80's. Can you be sure that 40 years from now Lebron will be making the top 10 lists of the future? Especially if he ends his career with something like 2/7?

[dunksby]

And they got Havlicek at #30, Baylor and him are lock for top 20.

[gts]

Here's the full list of their top 35

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
11. Kevin Garnett
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kobe Bryant
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Karl Malone
18. David Robinson
19. Moses Malone
20. Charles Barkley
21. Bob Pettit
22. Patrick Ewing
23. Dwyane Wade
24. George Mikan
25. Steve Nash
26. John Stockton
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Walt Frazier
29. Rick Barry
30. John Havlicek
31. Chris Paul
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Elgin Baylor
34. Jason Kidd
35. Artis Gilmore

[pastis]

Here's the full list of their top 35

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
11. Kevin Garnett
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kobe Bryant
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Karl Malone
18. David Robinson
19. Moses Malone
20. Charles Barkley
21. Bob Pettit
22. Patrick Ewing
23. Dwyane Wade
24. George Mikan
25. Steve Nash
26. John Stockton
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Walt Frazier
29. Rick Barry
30. John Havlicek
31. Chris Paul
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Elgin Baylor
34. Jason Kidd
35. Artis Gilmore

bird way too low, kg way too high and paul shouldnt even be in the top50

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjNS_oYE92E

Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell consider him the greatest player ever with their criteria emphasizing his all-around ability, versatility, IQ etc. In their eyes he was the most capable player ever. Elgin still has the record for most points ever scored in a Finals game. 61. And most points ever scored in a Finals series (don't recall the number off hand, but he's got it by a good margin, he AVERAGED 40 points a game in the 1962 Finals, for 7 games). He's the only player to have multiple 60 point performances with 4 under his belt (one as mentioned, was in the FINALS - only player to ever do that) in the company of none other than Wilt Chamberlain (32) Michael Jordan (5) and Kobe Bryant (5). He had a 71 point game in the regular season, which IMO is about as on par with Kobe's 81 as pre-3 point era wing players could get given that Elgin had no opportunities to make 3 point shots.

Elgin was almost unanimously considered by fans players and media to be the best all around player to ever play the game until the late 60's when new fans and players came that missed his prime and were beginning to instead recognize the game of the still potent Oscar Robertson. Oscar averaged a triple double yes, and could attack from everywhere and understood how to play any position just like Elgin, he looked to involve teammates a bit more, but it should be noted he lacked Elgin's showmanship and above the rim finishes. He couldn't quite rebound like Elgin and he could quite score like Elgin so Elgin to this day still has a case to be discussed as one of the greatest all around players to play. And Elgin's style and above the rim finishes is ultimately who the majority of players that came later emulated, and is how the game is played today.

Anyone who hasn't sat through that Elgin video yet I encourage to do so. That's about all the field goals of his that exist on film, as well as some of his rebounds and defensive plays, it covers everything that can be covered given the limited amount of footage and testimony available. The variety of things he does, and what he accomplished despite not being on a championship team is staggering. Only a random 2% of his field goals exist. But it's enough to get an idea how complete his game was.

[WillC]

A few updates.

Kevin Johnson is one spot above Allen Iverson at 55. Pau Gasol is one spot behind Dave Cowens 53. There is a current battle between Elvin Hayes and Chauncey Billups for the 57th spot.

G.O.A.T. where are you?

What a joke.

[LAZERUSS]

What a joke.

Most all of these "lists" are jokes. The vast majority of the "voting" is from fans who who probably didn't see Bird and Magic play, much less Russell and Wilt.

Furthermore, you would be hard-pressed to find anything close to a consensus for a Top-10 list, much less anything more.

[fragokota]

Larry F*ckin Legend sandwiched at 10th position between Hakeem (9th..) and KG (11th...). Nuff said about the validity of this hideous list.

[swagga]

Here's the full list of their top 35

1. Michael Jordan ..................
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar .......
3. Bill Russell......... ................ too high (10-20)
4. Wilt Chamberlain ................ too high (10-20)
5. Tim Duncan .......................
6. Shaquille O'Neal ................
7. LeBron James ...................
8. Magic Johnson .................. too low... top 3!
9. Hakeem Olajuwon .............
10. Larry Bird ......................... a bit too low
11. Kevin Garnett ..................
12. Oscar Robertson ............. too high... 20ish
13. Kobe Bryant ....................
14. Julius Erving ....................
15. Jerry West .......................
16. Dirk Nowitzki ...................
17. Karl Malone .....................
18. David Robinson .............. too high
19. Moses Malone ................ too low
20. Charles Barkley .............
21. Bob Pettit .......................
22. Patrick Ewing ................ should be 18
23. Dwyane Wade ............... too high (30ish)
24. George Mikan ................ LOL not even top 50
25. Steve Nash .................... TOO high (40ish)
26. John Stockton ................
27. Scottie Pippen ...............
28. Walt Frazier ................... nice to see this dude remembered
29. Rick Barry ......................
30. John Havlicek .................
31. Chris Paul ...................... too high, should be 40ish
32. Clyde Drexler .................
33. Elgin Baylor .................... too low, should be 25ish
34. Jason Kidd ..................... higher than cp3.
35. Artis Gilmore ..................


adjusted

[swagga]

Larry F*ckin Legend sandwiched at 10th position between Hakeem (9th..) and KG (11th...). Nuff said about the validity of this hideous list.

hakeem was a monster that redefined the C spot. He went toe to toe with LA, boston, young shaq orlando, spurs, everytime with clearly inferior teams.

The same can be said about KG. He also played prolly twice as many games as bird with excellent production dragging saidhorrible teams to wcfs against the shaq lakers. Are wally szerbizack and sam cassell 2nd options on a contender??????
Once he got a shot (and he was old) he produced. Give KG a team for his entire career and he wins much more.

So it's not like he is compared with trash, these are slightly inferior players.

Larry legends lack of longevity deos hurt him. Still, he is a bit too low, should be around 6-7-8th position, with lebron and shaq.

[LAZERUSS]

adjusted

:roll: :roll:

You could put the names of every NBA player who has ever played the game into a hat, and randomly draw them out, and come up with a better list.

:facepalm

[fragokota]

hakeem was a monster that redefined the C spot. He went toe to toe with LA, boston, young shaq orlando, spurs, everytime with clearly inferior teams.

The same can be said about KG. He also played prolly twice as many games as bird with excellent production dragging saidhorrible teams to wcfs against the shaq lakers. Are wally szerbizack and sam cassell 2nd options on a contender??????
Once he got a shot (and he was old) he produced. Give KG a team for his entire career and he wins much more.

So it's not like he is compared with trash, these are slightly inferior players.

Larry legends lack of longevity deos hurt him. Still, he is a bit too low, should be around 6-7-8th position, with lebron and shaq.

I don't find insulting the fact that Hakeem is #9 , but the fact that Larry Bird is below him(no matter how great Hakeem was). Did i make my self understood? And no, both Hakeem and KG are not JUST SLIGHTLY inferior players, Bird was on another level than both of them. Bird's offensive game especially when compared to KG's is night and day...

[gts]

Artis Gilmore voted #35.

Isiah Thomas yet to make their rankings.

The hell is goin on over there.

kids... :lol

You got guys voting who openly admit to having started watching the league in the last 14 years so they can only rely on stats and highlight videos...

When Allen Iverson was your hero in Jr High your view of the league is going to be very limited

[DamnMixes]

What is the forum that did this? Or is this naming and shaming type of thing?

Anyway Larry is way too low, his peak is one of the greatest, the guy should be in top 7 no matter what arguments you provide like the longetivity.

No way in hell Kevin Garnett is that high, still a top 20 player but not 11th

Moses Malone is way too low, he is better than KG, Karl Malone and so on

Having Havlicek at 30th place is a huge travesty when the guy is top 20 material

Baylor is in the top 20 too and gosh I really consider this guy one of the most overrated ever.

Artis Gilmore has NOTHING, aboslutely NOTHING to do with top 35, he would not even make it to the top 50. If they wanted to include a random big man, should have went with Wes Unseld

[LAZERUSS]

I have several problems with many of these "lists."

The most blatant being that there is no real consistent criteria. And how do differentiate individual success, with TEAM success? And where do you rank peak and prime play, versus career?

IMO, individual domination is the most important. If basketball were a game in which every "GOAT" player were given an equal, and healthy, roster, for an entire season, and with the same coach...then you could make a true case for overall team impact. But, of course, it doesn't work that way.

Moses Malone, at his peak, was one of the most dominant players in the history of the game. He was the most feared player in the league from '79 thru '83. He single-handedly carried a pathetic roster, that was so bad it could only go 40-42, past KAJ and his Lakers, and into the Finals, where they gave Bird's 62-20 Celtics all they could handle. A couple of years later Moses lands on a very good Sixers team, and they become one of the most dominant teams in NBA history, and with Moses a landslide MVP winner (69 of 73 first place votes.)

Of course, when Chamberlain was finally given a supporting cast that was the equal of Russell's (and healthy), they just crushed the eight-time defending champions, and with Wilt just carpet-bombing Russell in the process.

In 75-76, Walton's Blazers went 26-25 (and 37-45 overall). The next year they added the best PF in the league in Maurice Lucas, and in the games Walton played, they went 44-21, and went on to win the NBA title. And they were crusing along at 48-10 in 77-78 when he went down with basically a season-ending (and career-ending) injury.

A peak KAJ, from the second half of his rookie season, thru the entire 70-71 season and post-season, and then thru the entire 71-72 regular season, was on a near-Wiltonian level. In terms of individual dominance, and team success, only Chamberlain's run from '65-66 thru 67-68 was greater.

Bird from his '83-84 season, thru his '87-88 season, had a possible Top-5 peak in NBA history. Three straight MVPs, and two rings.

And most fans here probably don't know just how great Bob McAdoo was from his '73-74 season thru his 75-76 seasons. He finished 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in the MVP balloting, and was clearly robbed of the MVP by KAJ in '75-76. He RAN AWAY with scoring titles, and was just as brilliant in his post-season play, as well. In his '74-75 season, he averaged 34.5 ppg on a .512 FG% (and an .805 FT%), in a league that averaged 102.6 ppg on an eFG% of .457. Compare that with last year's NBA, which averaged 101 ppg on an eFG% of .501. And in the post-season, he averaged 37.4 ppg, in a post-season NBA that averaged 100.5 ppg.

Magic's "impact?" Took a 47-35 under-achieving team to an immediate 60-22 record and an NBA title in his first season. He would lead teams to nine Finals, and five rings, in his 12 seasons (and even a 22-10 record as a shell in his "comeback" season four years later.) He has the greatest W-L percentage of all-time, as well. And before someone says that he had KAJ...in his career games, withOUT Kareem, including his last two seasons after KAJ retired... a .743 winning percentage.

Jordan's run from '91 thru '98 is arguably the greatest post-season run by a GOAT in NBA history. And had he not missed the 93-94 season, he most certainly would have won a 7th ring, too.

Russell? What more could he do? 11 titles in 13 seasons, and was injured in one of those that did not win a title (and his team still nearly won it that year.) In terms of defensive team impact, clearly the greatest to have ever played the game.

Oscar? Toiled in a league dominated by Russell's HOF-laden Celtics for an entire decade. However, when he was paired with Kareem from '71 thru '74, his teams went 66-16, 63-19, 60-22, and 59-23, and went to two Finals, and won a dominating title in '71 (arguably the most dominant regular and post-season team of all-time.) How important was his "impact" with those Buck teams? He retired, and they immediately fell to 38-44. In terms of individual brilliance? How about this? A six year run with averages of 30-10-10!

Shaq? With apologies to Tim Duncan, but from '98 thru '05, Shaq was the most dominant player in the game. Had there been a general draft each year in that span, I have no doubt whatsoever that Shaq would have been the first overall pick every year.

And speaking of Duncan...his team success, and overall longevity are perhaps the greatest in NBA history. Only Kareem would have a case (some might argue Kobe, but the MVPs clearly favor Timmy), and even KAJ's career team success didn't really come until Magic's arrival. And it was clearly Magic who led them to that 10 year dominance.


Again, in terms of peak brilliance vs long term success...I tend to favor PEAK. A similar argument is used in baseball with the Spahn vs. Koufax debates. Spahn had an extraordinarily long term career (and he didn't hit the majors until age 25 BTW), but Koufax's impact from '63 thru '66 was perhaps the greatest in baseball history, when you factor in what his teams did with, and without him (including their 8th place finish the year after he retired.)

Where does Baylor rank? His peak was perhaps top-15, maybe even higher. At his peak, which was actually only a few years, he narrowly missed a ring in his '62 season, losing an OT game seven in the Finals, in a series in which he averaged 41 ppg. My problem with Baylor, though, was that his peak was relatively short (about six seasons, and he was injured in that sixth post-season, and was never the same player again), and he wasn't even considered the best player in the league at any time in that span. In fact, he was arguably only the fourth best player at his peak (Wilt, Russell, and Oscar all ahead of him.)

His TEAM success was also mixed. Playing with a prime West for the vast majority of his career, and then a near-prime Wilt for only one season, he never won a ring. And in that one Wilt season, he had the worst post-season of his career. In fact, you could make a strong case that he COST his team a title in '69.

Personally, I would take the overall careers of Robinson, West, Oscar, Pettit, Dr. J, KG, Dirk, Barry, Hondo, and probably a few more that I can't think of at the moment, ahead of Baylor. Which would put him at somewhere around 20-25 all-time. And if you include team success, players like Isiah, Reed, Frazier, and probably a few more, would be in the discussion. And, if you include absolute briiliance, McAdoo would have to be there, as well.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, while I honestly believe that a prime Gilmore would be a top-tier center in today's NBA, to be ranked at #35 all-time is a joke.

Granted, we didn't get to see an ABA Gilmore perform in the NBA, but in his NBA career, he came in 8th twice in the MVP voting, 10th in another, and 22nd in his only other appearance. How does that translate to 35th all-time?

It reminds me of those that rank Hakeem in the top-10. Olajuwon had ONE MVP, ONE 2nd place finish, and only TWO more top-4 finishes in HIS era. He wasn't even considered a top-10 player in HIS era, in nearly half of his career. And yet somehow he is considered a Top-10 player all-time?

[kurple]

Artis Gilmore voted #35.

Isiah Thomas yet to make their rankings.

The hell is goin on over there.
isiah thomas is always underrated on those kind of lists

[La Frescobaldi]

without even thinking too hard there's these
glaring fails

Bob McAdoo
Sam Jones
DJ
Bill Walton
AI

[L.Kizzle]

Most recent five:

60 Vince Carter
61 Dominique Wilkins
62 Manu Ginobli
63 Paul Arizin
64 Grant Hill

:facepalm

[JohnMax]

What is Chris Paul doing at 31?

:biggums:

[L.Kizzle]

73 Larry Nance
74 Nate Archibald
75 James Worthy
76 Bobby Jones
77 Ben Wallace

In what world is Larry Nance greater than Tiny Archibald?

[CavaliersFTW]

73 Larry Nance
74 Nate Archibald
75 James Worthy
76 Bobby Jones
77 Ben Wallace

In what world is Larry Nance greater than Tiny Archibald?
:roll:

[L.Kizzle]

The battle for #78 is between Elton Brand and Shawn Marion. Can't make this up.

[Euroleague]

Here's the full list of their top 35

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
11. Kevin Garnett
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kobe Bryant
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Karl Malone
18. David Robinson
19. Moses Malone
20. Charles Barkley
21. Bob Pettit
22. Patrick Ewing
23. Dwyane Wade
24. George Mikan
25. Steve Nash
26. John Stockton
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Walt Frazier
29. Rick Barry
30. John Havlicek
31. Chris Paul
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Elgin Baylor
34. Jason Kidd
35. Artis Gilmore

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[L.Kizzle]

More updates on their terrible list. Currently a battle between Gus Williams and Bill Walton for the #99 spot is going down, lol.

85 Horace Grant over 86 Chris Webber. :biggums:

78. Shawn Marion
79. Elton Brand
80. Hal Greer
81. Tony Parker
82. Dan Issel
83. Maurice Cheeks
84. Rasheed Wallace
85. Horace Grant
86. Chris Webber
87. Chris Bosh
88. Mitch Richmond
89. Carmelo Anthony
90. Billy Cunningham
91. Mel Daniels
92. Jack Sikma
93. Dave DeBusschere
94. Chris Mullin
95. Shawn Kemp
96. Neil Johnston
97. Bill Sharman
98. Joe Dumars

[CavaliersFTW]

More updates on their terrible list. Currently a battle between Gus Williams and Bill Walton for the #99 spot is going down, lol.

85 Horace Grant over 86 Chris Webber. :biggums:

78. Shawn Marion
79. Elton Brand
80. Hal Greer
81. Tony Parker
82. Dan Issel
83. Maurice Cheeks
84. Rasheed Wallace
85. Horace Grant
86. Chris Webber
87. Chris Bosh
88. Mitch Richmond
89. Carmelo Anthony
90. Billy Cunningham
91. Mel Daniels
92. Jack Sikma
93. Dave DeBusschere
94. Chris Mullin
95. Shawn Kemp
96. Neil Johnston
97. Bill Sharman
98. Joe Dumars
Jesus...

[Mr Feeny]

Jesus...I agree with Russel over Wilt thought:lol

[CavaliersFTW]

I agree with Russel over Wilt thought:lol
People can put Russell over Wilt, that's fine, hell people can put Elgin Baylor over Wilt for all I care.

Their reasoning had better sound though. There's legitimate reasons one could want to rank Russell over Wilt, definitely. There's also complete bullshit ones. I often run into those more often than the legitimate ones.

[rhowen4]

looks like they're just constantly forgetting about better players

[dunksby]

On ISH people are mostly open with their trolling, they usually say "weak era" "white midgets" on FakeGM they actually try to mask their contempt for previous era players by baseless arguments.