Fast Food Chain Bans Alcohol-Based Hand-Wipes

[sirkeelma]

[QUOTE]A stunned KFC customer was refused a sanitary hand wipes after workers told him it may offend other eaters

[Nick Young]

Islam da bess:banana:

[LJJ]

Well these restaurants make changes like this for a commercial reason. If they want to make a change that helps them include a significant group of customers without really excluding any others, what's the problem with that?


Although Halal meat should be banned.

We have all these standards around animal cruelty. A regular butcher would go to jail if he killed his animals by just hammering their necks with a blade and no anesthesia, because that's excessively cruel. So why should we allow halal/kosher butchers to do it? We live in a civilized society.

[iamgine]

They do this for commercial reason. I don't see a problem with that. It's like including a playground for kids to play in areas where there are many young families. If your area don't have many kids around, are you going to demand a playground for your kids?



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What about Muslims being easily offended. If they don't like what KFC does don't go there. If they want to serve Halal Food then call the restaurant another name. KFC is a fried chicken restaurant. Also some don't understand trying to make a point by showing how absurd something is.

The thing is, KFC wants them to go there. That's why they will cater to them.

I really don't see what the problem is. It's not like KFC wants to promote the religion or anything. They just want to cater to their customers so they make more money.

[Draz]

for sure.....if only all muslims could have their own necks hammered with a blade, then we would have peace on earth and joy for both humans and for all the animals they love to torture and kill
Ouch

[Akrazotile]

Sounds fake.

[knickballer]

Why should you care? Does this move have any impact on your life?

It's just another way of KFC trying to appeal to be more customer caring in attempt to basically attract more customers and get a PR boost. They really don't care if they offend muslims or not.

Plus this was a Halal location so...

[sweggeh]

:oldlol:

Muslims are living in these guys heads rent free. It just gets funnier by the day.

[brownmamba00]

rent free

[nathanjizzle]

this is one of those articles written completely out of context.

[Nowitness]

Religion lol.

[Take Your Lumps]

When they wouldn’t give me one, I was disgusted.

Right. Because that's the thing to be disgusted with at a KFC.

And frankly, if you have a problem with bacon I have a problem with you.

[travelingman]

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[9erempiree]

It is getting pathetic in this world. People like to refer to their people and religion as the "Muslim World" and yet we still have to do things not to offend them. If they have what we deem as their own world, shouldn't we live in our world to our liking?

It may sound like I am a hater but I really dislike how we bend over backwards for religion. Practice what you like in the privacy of your own home but lets not shove it down our throats with it.

If I practice a religion where women need to be naked, would the public allow it? No. They would consider it a cult.

Islam is just a big ass cult.

[NumberSix]

When is KFC gonna open a "Christians ONLY" branch?

Remember, Christians have a special relationship with bread and Jesus. It might be very offensive for Christians to see some non-Christian eating a chicken sandwich.

[tpols]

When is KFC gonna open a "Christians ONLY" branch?

Remember, Christians have a special relationship with bread and Jesus. It might be very offensive for Christians to see some non-Christian eating a chicken sandwich.

Reported for racism.

[NumberSix]

Reported for racism.
I think you're saying this ironically, but you really never know these days.

[gts]

This is BS, you soak about 25 of those things in your pepsi you got yourself a nice little ghetto Cuba Libre to go with dinner

[poido123]

When is KFC gonna open a "Christians ONLY" branch?

Remember, Christians have a special relationship with bread and Jesus. It might be very offensive for Christians to see some non-Christian eating a chicken sandwich.


:roll: :applause:

You know, this world has gone nuts. I can't imagine the bullshit our children and our children's children are gonna have to put up with.

If you weren't so anti-Rose/Bulls you would be one of my favourite posters :lol

[GimmeThat]

at least this is very very different from companies having to pull off condiments over the counter because everyone just stops by and grab a hand/bag full home.

[Patrick Chewing]

These Muslims that don't assimilate to Western culture need to get the halal out of here.

[Cactus-Sack]

Yeah! Fvck a company for trying to please more customers and drive up revenue! This is America, and we don't like market based solutions!

[BurningHammer]

People are so full of shits now everybody is scared for nothing.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah! Fvck a company for trying to please more customers and drive up revenue! This is America, and we don't like market based solutions!


Muslims make up 0.8% of the American population. How is that increasing revenue?

[dude77]

what is even the purpose of muslims eating at these places ?? ..

why would a muslim want to even eat at a place like kfc/mcdonalds .. those places and those companies are completely contradictory to muslim customs are they not ? .. and kfc is kfc for a reason .. it's not a halal, muslim restaurant ..

I do get though, kfc's perspective in trying to attract muslims if there's a significant muslim population in whatever area the restaurant is in .. business is business

[Cactus-Sack]

Muslims make up 0.8% of the American population. How is that increasing revenue?

That's still over three million more potential customers. Customers buy food, KFC makes profit.


What's so hard to understand here.

[Nanners]

i think they did it for the kids. lots of kids been putting these wipes in they mouth and suck on them to get drunk and high.

[Patrick Chewing]

That's still over three million more potential customers. Customers buy food, KFC makes profit.


What's so hard to understand here.


Why only cater to Muslims? Clearly there are other ethnic groups in this country with a higher population.

[Cactus-Sack]

i think they did it for the kids. lots of kids been putting these wipes in they mouth and suck on them to get drunk.

You got a better way of dealing with being a diabeetus ridden 8 year old whose 400lbs parents get around on mobility scooters?

[Cactus-Sack]

Why only cater to Muslims? Clearly there are other ethnic groups in this country with a higher population.

They aren't "only catering to muslims." They stopped using something which 1% of the population purports to object to. This is not a big deal to anyone with half a brain.

[poido123]

That's still over three million more potential customers. Customers buy food, KFC makes profit.


What's so hard to understand here.


So the other 99.2% they risk pissing off and not coming back is soooo worth it :rolleyes:

As the story said, the guy won't be going back and that negative publicity will extend to other people who don't like that policy.

[Patrick Chewing]

They aren't "only catering to muslims." They stopped using something which 1% of the population purports to object to. This is not a big deal to anyone with half a brain.


If it's a Halal restaurant, then that's catering to Muslims. Anyone with half a brain as you say can see that.

[poido123]

They aren't "only catering to muslims." They stopped using something which 1% of the population purports to object to. This is not a big deal to anyone with half a brain.


I have never seen to lay responsibility on the Muslims. Not even once.

You tap dance around every issue the Western society has of Muslims, yet I don't see you ever making a point of Muslim hypocracy or issues.

And yes they are only catering to Muslims. This alcohol in the swabs thing is precisely catered to them. No one else.

[Cactus-Sack]

If it's a Halal restaurant, then that's catering to Muslims. Anyone with half a brain as you say can see that.

It's not catering to any group in any ay that would make any other group objet to. They weren't catering to Christians before, were they?

[Cactus-Sack]

So the other 99.2% they risk pissing off and not coming back is soooo worth it :rolleyes:

As the story said, the guy won't be going back and that negative publicity will extend to other people who don't like that policy.

Only a moron (like you) would get pissed off at a restaurant trying to appeal to more people. That fat fvck will be going back anyway.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's not catering to any group in any ay that would make any other group objet to. They weren't catering to Christians before, were they?

You're talking out the side of your mouth now with your circular logic. Customers, any non-Muslim customer would object to it like this customer did. You're trying to find justification for this due to low amount of complaints the restaurant chain has had, even though they've actually apologized for this.


KFC operates dozens of halal stores in the U.K., and 32 in the U.S., that adhere to Islamic law mandating how food is prepared. Customer Graham Noakes said that the chain refused him the wipes because they were soaked in rubbing alcohol and told it was forbidden under Islamic law.

By having a restaurant serve food or have restrictions on food based on Islamic law is alienating the rest of the population. This is no different than American segregation back in the 50's and 60's. However, just cause it's Islam, the rest of the world assumes they get a pass. I wonder why that is.

[Cactus-Sack]

I have never seen to lay responsibility on the Muslims. Not even once.

You tap dance around every issue the Western society has of Muslims, yet I don't see you ever making a point of Muslim hypocracy or issues.

And yes they are only catering to Muslims. This alcohol in the swabs thing is precisely catered to them. No one else.

How is this a problem? What are you so angry about? This in no way shape or form affects you Trent, yet you let something so fvcking minor play into your racist paranoid delusions of muslims taking over the world.


Furthermore, what has this got to do with "the issue every western society has with muslims"? It doesn't again, you're doing your best gymnastics to make a business move fall into your paranoid fantasies.

[poido123]

Only a moron (like you) would get pissed off at a restaurant trying to appeal to more people. That fat fvck will be going back anyway.


Still tapdancing.

I want to see one objective post from you regarding Muslims and Westerners.

I'm really starting to believe you are an "Australian" of middle-eastern descent.

[Droid101]

By having a restaurant serve food or have restrictions on food based on Islamic law is alienating the rest of the population. This is no different than American segregation back in the 50's and 60's. However, just cause it's Islam, the rest of the world assumes they get a pass. I wonder why that is.
I guarantee 100% that if this thread was about the guy who refused to make Wedding cakes for the gay couples, you'd totally be on the side the "private corporation being allowed to do whatever they please!!"

Typical.

[Cactus-Sack]

Trent you mentally handicapped Korean child, stop with the paranoia. It's quite ridiculous. Everything I have said in this thread has been completely objective.

You on the other hand turn "restaurant stops handing out alcohol based wipes" into "Muslims taking over country force shopkeepers to convert or get beheaded"

[Patrick Chewing]

I guarantee 100% that if this thread was about the guy who refused to make Wedding cakes for the gay couples, you'd totally be on the side the "private corporation being allowed to do whatever they please!!"

Typical.


I'm all up in your head. You love chasing me around this board. All the way from a little basement in Cali in your parents house.

Salty ass bitch.

[poido123]

How is this a problem? What are you so angry about? This in no way shape or form affects you Trent, yet you let something so fvcking minor play into your racist paranoid delusions of muslims taking over the world.


Furthermore, what has this got to do with "the issue every western society has with muslims"? It doesn't again, you're doing your best gymnastics to make a business move fall into your paranoid fantasies.


This extends beyond the KFC issue. This is a widespread "entitlement" attitude that has plagued Western culture from this particular minority group. Part of the disadvantages of being a minority group, is that you don't have a say in laws, customs or how a country is run.

If they want this kind of attitude, they can take their ungrateful ass somewhere else. We want people who want to conform to our society and laws, not bend over to some forceful religious group who think they can push their ways on a western country.

Sorry, but i think you need to rethink your attitude.

[poido123]

Trent you mentally handicapped Korean child, stop with the paranoia. It's quite ridiculous. Everything I have said in this thread has been completely objective.

You on the other hand turn "restaurant stops handing out alcohol based wipes" into "Muslims taking over country force shopkeepers to convert or get beheaded"


None of what you said was at all balanced or objective.

In every post you have made regarding Muslims has been condemning western people for having such attitudes.

I never see you point out a flaw or an attitude issue with Muslims. What is your problem?

Just come out and say you're an Australian Muslim, so that we know where your bias lies...

[Patrick Chewing]

Just another apologist for the oppressive nature of Islam.


"If no one else complains about it, then it can't be bad."

[imdaman99]

Islam living rent free :oldlol:

For what it's worth, non Muslims can eat halal food. They are not going to burn.

The halal carts in NYC... do you people think it's Muslim only people getting food there? I'd say it's about 5% Muslims and 95% non. Find a way to deal with it :pimp:

[9erempiree]

Muslims are the new Blacks, Gays, Lesbians and Feminist of this world. They are the next in line to get some of that self entitled respect.

There is more bad than good with them.

[Cactus-Sack]

This extends beyond the KFC issue. This is a widespread "entitlement" attitude that has plagued Western culture from this particular minority group. Part of the disadvantages of being a minority group, is that you don't have a say in laws, customs or how a country is run.

If they want this kind of attitude, they can take their ungrateful ass somewhere else. We want people who want to conform to our society and laws, not bend over to some forceful religious group who think they can push their ways on a western country.

Sorry, but i think you need to rethink your attitude.

Trent you Sudanese woman, no one is acting entitled. This was a move from a business aimed at attracting more customers.

In our society, most people allow others to practice their religion without interference, so by your own standards you aren't conforming, so you should fvck off. That's called hypocrisy.

No one is being forceful here. A business freely chose to do something in the hopes of increasing market share, that's part of the reason that KFC is the worldwide leader in fried chicken. You don't get to the top by only appealing to certain segments of the population.

[Cactus-Sack]

None of what you said was at all balanced or objective.

In every post you have made regarding Muslims has been condemning western people for having such attitudes.

I never see you point out a flaw or an attitude issue with Muslims. What is your problem?

Just come out and say you're an Australian Muslim, so that we know where your bias lies...

Trent you Vietnamese rice farmer, I'm not condemning western people, I am one, I'm condemning ignorant, paranoid racists, like yourself.

Why would I point out flaws with Muslims? There is already you and Patrick Chewing taking that into massive hyperbole. I wouldn't go to the Bulls subforum and make a thread titled "I like D-Rose" that would be a little redundant. I am simly trying to act as a counterbalance to all of the batshit crazy shit you're saying.

[poido123]

Islam living rent free :oldlol:

For what it's worth, non Muslims can eat halal food. They are not going to burn.

The halal carts in NYC... do you people think it's Muslim only people getting food there? I'd say it's about 5% Muslims and 95% non. Find a way to deal with it :pimp:


Listen here you arrogant Muslim Schmuck.

If it weren't for Western compassion, democracy and fairness, your ass would be deported out of America. Why we harbor and cater for Muslims is beyond me. Their faith and actions has done nothing to deserve a place to live in western society. They have a lot to answer for.

And here you are, making example of a f.cking halal food cart, like it justifies all the b.tching, whining, injustice and carry on that these minority Muslim groups do when there's absolutely no need for it.

If we were as barbaric as some of the great Islamic ruled countries of the world, your ass would be out of here, since you wouldn't be "conforming to our religious beliefs or 'laws". either it would be beaten out of you, thrown in a jail or tortured/killed.

I'm tired of Muslim apologists and the like, justifying killings and actions of western people openly, while they enjoy the fruits of the country and spits nails at the people at the same time...

[poido123]

Trent you Vietnamese rice farmer, I'm not condemning western people, I am one, I'm condemning ignorant, paranoid racists, like yourself.

Why would I point out flaws with Muslims? There is already you and Patrick Chewing taking that into massive hyperbole. I wouldn't go to the Bulls subforum and make a thread titled "I like D-Rose" that would be a little redundant. I am simly trying to act as a counterbalance to all of the batshit crazy shit you're saying.



Ease my suspicion.

Post a photo of yourself.

[poido123]

Trent you Vietnamese rice farmer, I'm not condemning western people, I am one, I'm condemning ignorant, paranoid racists, like yourself.

Why would I point out flaws with Muslims? There is already you and Patrick Chewing taking that into massive hyperbole. I wouldn't go to the Bulls subforum and make a thread titled "I like D-Rose" that would be a little redundant. I am simly trying to act as a counterbalance to all of the batshit crazy shit you're saying.


Riiiight...

Says the guy who has buddies in Lakemba and says they are all good people :rolleyes:

[Cactus-Sack]

No. I will tell you once more that I am white and non-religious, but that has no bearing on what I am saying. The ethnic background of someone doesn't make their words any more or less truthful.

Another racist as fvck post made by perhaps the dumbest poster (a true milestone) on ish.

[imdaman99]

Listen here you arrogant Muslim Schmuck.

If it weren't for Western compassion, democracy and fairness, your ass would be deported out of America. Why we harbor and cater for Muslims is beyond me. Their faith and actions has done nothing to deserve a place to live in western society. They have a lot to answer for.

And here you are, making example of a f.cking halal food cart, like it justifies all the b.tching, whining, injustice and carry on that these minority Muslim groups do when there's absolutely no need for it.

If we were as barbaric as some of the great Islamic ruled countries of the world, your ass would be out of here, since you wouldn't be "conforming to our religious beliefs or 'laws". either it would be beaten out of you, thrown in a jail or tortured/killed.

I'm tired of Muslim apologists and the like, justifying killings and actions of western people openly, while they enjoy the fruits of the country and spits nails at the people at the same time...
You exude nothing but ignorance. Please don't ever reply to any of my posts again because I don't appreciate losing brain cells. Have a nice day!

[dude77]

so .. kfc apologized .. but only because they 'upset' some muslim fella in some muslim organization .. not the guy who was denied the wipes lol .. westerners taking the meaning of bending over backwards to a new level ..

and this guy who 'complained' .. only complained because he was concerned about 'backlash against muslims' .. how about concern for the fact that you have no respect for the western country you live in .. imagine westerners trying to demand shit in muslim countries .. the western white man has turned into the biggest pssy walking around

[Cactus-Sack]

Riiiight...

Says the guy who has buddies in Lakemba and says they are all good people :rolleyes:

I don't have buddies in Lakemba, I live in the other end of the state.

I never said they were all good people, I said that I was there for a day, and everyone was friendly (it's still a mostly white suburb).

Do you think you could try and post one rational accurate post, or is that too much for your down syndrome brain to handle?

[Cactus-Sack]

so .. kfc apologized .. but only because they 'upset' some muslim fella in some muslim organization .. not the guy who was denied the wipes lol .. westerners taking the meaning of bending over backwards to a new level ..

and this guy who 'complained' .. only complained because he was concerned about 'backlash against muslims' .. how about concern for the fact that you have no respect for the western country you live in .. imagine westerners trying to demand shit in muslim countries .. the western white man has turned into the biggest pssy walking around

So you hate muslims for doing the same thing you wish to do? :applause:

[GimmeThat]

Just another apologist for the oppressive nature of Islam.


"If no one else complains about it, then it can't be bad."


there's also

"wasted effort"

[dude77]

So you hate muslims for doing the same thing you wish to do? :applause:

I don't 'hate' anyone and I wouldn't go into anyone's country and demand anything .. on the contrary, I would acknowledge their country for whatever culture it has .. the art of respect is completely lost in this generation .. you're all turning into a bunch of self centered degenerates

[Smook A.]

for sure.....if only all muslims could have their own necks hammered with a blade, then we would have peace on earth and joy for both humans and for all the animals they love to torture and kill
I'm not a Muslim but I don't tolerate that kinda bullshit you just said. Serious or not, go **** yourself.

[poido123]

:biggums:

You need to chill out dude.. Another classic case of losing their minds when it comes to Islam.


No, it makes me angry.

I am tired of the apologists and lies.

The fact is, every western nation has had problems with the Muslim people. Why is that? Is it because they are all racist?

No.

Asians, Indians, Italians, Serbs/Croats have all settled here in Australia and have all made a significant effort to accept the laws and attempt to integrate. I'm assuming that most of these countries cultures aren't practising Islam.

I take my hat off to the asians and Indians, they are a very friendly, respectful and accomodating culture. I have nothing but good things to say about them. Down where i play basketball, half are asian and they are incredibly friendly and have a peaceful nature about them.

Now, I have lived around the outskirts of Sydney and I have encountered the attitudes of young Muslims and the like. I have seen violence, gangs, turning their nose up at our customs and clothing, protesting against injustices, telling people that they can't sing xmas carols at their doorstep and other trivial shit.

That isn't even including the radicals who have been found out here in australia, the women on camera openly detesting australia and their wrongful inquisition into extremist activities through the raids etc. Not to mention the shit happening on TV.

I want to make it very clear that my attitude towards Muslims has been formed from my own experiences and other friends/family who encounter them. Not all are aggressive, but there seems to be quite a divide in understanding and what they think their responsibility is as an Australian.


It's easy to just label me a racist, but I have seen enough to form an opinion that they simply don't mix in a western society. maybe never will.

[tpols]

So you hate muslims for doing the same thing you wish to do? :applause:

Why would anyone wish to live in the middle east? lol.. or africa?

[Cactus-Sack]

Why would anyone wish to live in the middle east? lol.. or africa?

They dumb? :confusedshrug:

[dude77]

Because it's finger licking good.. believe it or not, Muslims are still very much Human. We all need that fast food fix from time to time.

so they're hypocrites or they don't really believe in all that muslim shit ?

[iamgine]

No, it makes me angry.

I am tired of the apologists and lies.

The fact is, every western nation has had problems with the Muslim people. Why is that? Is it because they are all racist?

No.

Asians, Indians, Italians, Serbs/Croats have all settled here in Australia and have all made a significant effort to accept the laws and attempt to integrate.

I take my hat off to the asians and Indians, they are a very friendly, respectful and accomodating culture. I have nothing but good things to say about them. Down where i play basketball, half are asian and they are incredibly friendly and have a peaceful nature about them.

Now, I have lived around the outskirts of Sydney and I have encountered the attitudes of young Muslims and the like. I have seen violence, gangs, turning their nose up at our customs and clothing, protesting against injustices, telling people that they can't sing xmas carols at their doorstep and other trivial shit.

That isn't even including the radicals who have been found out here in australia, the women on camera openly detesting australia and their wrongful inquisition into extremist activities through the raids etc. Not to mention the shit happening on TV.

I want to make it very clear that my attitude towards Muslims has been formed from my own experiences and other friends/family who encounter them. Not all are aggressive, but there seems to be quite a divide in understanding and what they think their responsibility is as an Australian.


It's easy to just label me a racist, but I have seen enough to form an opinion that they simply don't mix in a western society. maybe never will.
Wait, do you mean now you live in the "ghetto" and you wonder why these ghetto people act so ghetto?

[Cactus-Sack]

Wait, do you mean now you live in the "ghetto" and you wonder why these ghetto people act so ghetto?

Yes. More or less he is making the mistake of blaming socio-economic caused problems on religion and race. These areas were poor and shitty before the muslims got there.

[poido123]

Wait, do you mean now you live in the "ghetto" and you wonder why these ghetto people act so ghetto?


Sydney has ghetto right through it. All the way down to Wollongong, where I was born.

Don't believe me, try living there. Unless you're fortunate enough to live around the beach locations, even then, you are still among a large ethnic culture.

Muslims(ethnic groups) are predominantly in Melbourne and Sydney. Punchbowl is a hole.

[poido123]

Yes. More or less he is making the mistake of blaming socio-economic caused problems on religion and race. These areas were poor and shitty before the muslims got there.


They alienated themselves. They have responsibility in that. Places like Punchbowl is a prime example, they bring their war-torn country mentality with them and don't leave it where they came from.

Asians, Indians and others have attempted to assimilate and made the best of a great country of opportunity.

Muslims? Too be busy complaining about injustices and not bending over to their religious needs. Too busy harboring potential/known extremists and justifying their people's actions by the things happening on the other side of the world. :rolleyes:

[Cactus-Sack]

Indians do not assimilate. I like Indian and play cricket with a couple, and they're good blokes, but as someone who live near the first sikh temple in Australia, I can tell you that they definitely have retained their culture. Which is a good thing.

[Cactus-Sack]

Sydney has no ghetto's. Try living in Detroit. Don't believe me? Try living there.

[poido123]

Indians do not assimilate. I like Indian and play cricket with a couple, and they're good blokes, but as someone who live near the first sikh temple in Australia, I can tell you that they definitely have retained their culture. Which is a good thing.


For a country that has received more racism than any other ethnicity in Australia, I would say the Indians have been very respectful, friendly and tolerant. They are willing to do the jobs that no one else wants to do, they are friendly and always wanting to please you. They have a very pleasant attitude and peaceful presence about them.

There is a distinct attitude difference between muslims of various ethnic background and Asians/Indians. Less aggressive in opinion and entitlement, more willing to accept the bad.

[tpols]

They dumb? :confusedshrug:

Who?

[poido123]

Sydney has no ghetto's. Try living in Detroit. Don't believe me? Try living there.



Exactly. If you were to suggest Sydney has ghettos, then you would be referring to places like Cabramatta, Paramatta, Punchbowl etc etc

Detroit would be these places times 10

[iamgine]

so they're hypocrites or they don't really believe in all that muslim shit ?
Eating fried chicken is not against their belief

[iamgine]

For a country that has received more racism than any other ethnicity in Australia, I would say the Indians have been very respectful, friendly and tolerant. They are willing to do the jobs that no one else wants to do, they are friendly and always wanting to please you. They have a very pleasant attitude and peaceful presence about them.

There is a distinct attitude difference between muslims of various ethnic background and Asians/Indians. Less aggressive in opinion and entitlement, more willing to accept the bad.
Some examples of your experience with the average muslim that is "aggressive in opinion and entitlement"?

[poido123]

Eating fried chicken is not against their belief


Eating fried chicken from a very westernised foodchain would suggest that they don't have a problem with western customs, AS LONG AS it suits them :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

I wonder what Jeff /Nick Young/ 9empiree / niko / KevinNYC / godzuki think about this..


Staying consistent with "animal cruelty" you're wishing for religious Jews to also commit self-slaughter.. right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8p-hfLrVx4#t=205

Classic Anti-Semitism/Islamophobia tomSR. :applause:
Kosher animal slaughter is not inhumane, dumbass


Since Jewish Law prohibits causing any pain to animals, the slaughtering has to be effected in such a way that unconsciousness is instantaneous and death occurs almost instantaneously.

[Smoke117]

Muslims are offended by hygiene? Good to know.

[iamgine]

Eating fried chicken from a very westernised foodchain would suggest that they don't have a problem with western customs, AS LONG AS it suits them :oldlol:
What a shallow argument. Clearly they shouldn't use computer either, or iphone or buy Ford cars. :hammerhead:

[poido123]

Some examples of your experience with the average muslim that is "aggressive in opinion and entitlement"?


Muslim families and people in Sydney I have discussed these matters with have openly suggested I need to conform to the Muslim faith to understand their customs and teachings. I lived next door to a Muslim family who came over for dinner one night and they had a hard time understanding my point of view.

That isn't just that particular family, I have verification of that attitude from a majority of conservative Muslims. Their attitude is, we need to be practicing Islam or we have no understanding about their needs etc. They also suggested that my attitude reflects a very Islamophobic one, in whch I rebutted with "this is a common deflection from the truth by Muslims" because the truth is, they have a lot to answer for.

So what they are saying is, we must accomodate their different customs and practise Islam, or we are just uneducated, Islamophobic racists with no understanding.

There are bookshops, special consideration areas for Muslims, mosques, shops all dedicated to this minority group. Now why are we accomodating so much culture and custom adjustments for a minority group?

I don't see Hindhu's or Buddhists getting anywhere near the same entitlements here in Australia. In fact, they want to share and be apart of the Australian way of life.

[dude77]

Eating fried chicken is not against their belief

don't be stupid .. they're eating at a restaurant chain that goes completely against their 'muslim laws' .. how hypocritical of them .. or they don't really give a shit about their muslim laws .. well only when it's convenient for them

[dude77]

Eating fried chicken from a very westernised foodchain would suggest that they don't have a problem with western customs, AS LONG AS it suits them :oldlol:

bingo .. checkmate

[poido123]

So you're going to use anecdotal evidence from a ghetto part of town to pretty much blame the entire populous. Do you know how dumb that sounds? I'm not even disputing whether what you're saying is true or not.. it does seem very much plausible. But the whole "Listen here you arrogant Muslim Schmuck" bit was really not called for / over the ****ing top.

And again, we're talking about hand-wipes at a KFC... hand-wipes! :roll:


Majority of Muslims live in Sydney or Melbourne. There are no privileged areas of Muslims, as most of them come as asylum seekers or come from a poor background.

I addressed that particular poster that way as he came accross very arrogant and inflammatory in his post.

It isn't just the handwipes in KFC, perhaps have a look at the previous posts and then you will see the bigger picture here.

[Nick Young]

Hey dumbass, I'm not the one who wants Kosher meat banned. You gotta take that up with tomSR and LJJ on that one.

Also, if Kosher animal slaughter is humane.. what about Halal slaughter?

I mean it's pretty much the same thing.. and you know the rules: If Jewish people do it (Lunar calendar for instance) then it must be ok/on the up and up.
You arent making sense.

Jews and Muslims aren't the only cultures who use lunar calendars. I got no problem with lunar calendars, fool.

Is English not your first language?

Halal slaughter and kosher slaughter are not the same things. Educate yourself.

I have no problem personally with halal meat, I even go to a local halal butcher sometimes because they sell cheap chicken breast. I dont care how an animal dies, as long as it winds up on my plate, but that's just me.

[Nick Young]

Alright go ahead and explain (without copying and pasting) in your own words (since this is common knowledge) the difference between Halal and Kosher meat.
The meat is exactly the same to me IMO, the only difference is the ritual where the animals are slaughtered, which again I don't care about as long as the meat tastes good.

[iamgine]

don't be stupid .. they're eating at a restaurant chain that goes completely against their 'muslim laws' .. how hypocritical of them .. or they don't really give a shit about their muslim laws .. well only when it's convenient for them
Again very shallow argument.

Americans who buy Chinese products must be supporting communism right? :hammerhead:

[poido123]

Again very shallow argument.

Americans who buy Chinese products must be supporting communism right? :hammerhead:


Americans aren't the ones holding the occupied country accountable for their customs of eating? :confusedshrug:

Would be hilarious to see westerners try the shit Muslims do in a Saudi area and see their responses. And then listen to the Muslim brethrens here explain why its ok :oldlol:

Muslims kiss women openly in America, why not in Saudi Arabia? Bunch of entitled hyprocrites :oldlol:

[dude77]

Again very shallow argument.

Americans who buy Chinese products must be supporting communism right? :hammerhead:

you're going into full retard mode or you're just trolling ..

americans don't abide by religious laws like their fkn life depends on it like muslims do or say they do anyways ..

so why would they ever even consider dining at such a place like kfc or any fast food place that is pretty much anti-muslim laws in culture and food preparation .. they're hypocrites or they only care about those 'muslim laws' when they can use them to complain and demand some special treatment

[Nick Young]

So the difference is the rituals.. not the cutting of the meat. All this time I thought Kosher butchers prayed to Allah before killing the animal.. the more you know. :eek:
And different animals are halal that arent considered kosher.

And also, kosher meat is slaughtered by a guy slicing the animals neck.

In Halal, the animal has to face mecca and a prayer is said before it gets killed.

Both meats are equally tasty.

[poido123]

you're going into full retard mode or you're just trolling ..

americans don't abide by religious laws like their fkn life depends on it like muslims do or say they do anyways ..

so why would they ever even consider dining at such a place like kfc or any fast food place that is pretty much anti-muslim laws in culture and food preparation .. they're hypocrites or they only care about those 'muslim laws' when they can use them to complain and demand some special treatment


F.cking dead on.

Now how can they even argue this? There is a clear hypocrisy in all this.

Muslims are never accountable, just deflect deflect deflect :no:

[iamgine]

you're going into full retard mode or you're just trolling ..

americans don't abide by religious laws like their fkn life depends on it like muslims do or say they do anyways ..

so why would they ever even consider dining at such a place like kfc or any fast food place that is pretty much anti-muslim laws in culture and food preparation .. they're hypocrites or they only care about those 'muslim laws' when they can use them to complain and demand some special treatment
LMAO let me spell it out to you. What they want is to eat kentucky fried chicken. Same like what American wants is to buy cheap Chinese products. Does that mean americans don't care about supporting communism then? What hypocrites right?

[poido123]

LMAO let me spell it out to you. What they want is to eat kentucky fried chicken. Same like what American wants is to buy cheap Chinese products. Does that mean americans don't care about supporting communism then? What hypocrites right?


Americans aren't the ones holding the occupied country accountable for their customs of eating?

Would be hilarious to see westerners try the shit Muslims do in a Saudi area and see their responses. And then listen to the Muslim brethrens here explain why its ok

Muslims kiss women openly in America, why not in Saudi Arabia? Bunch of entitled hyprocrites

[iamgine]

Americans aren't the ones holding the occupied country accountable for their customs of eating?

Would be hilarious to see westerners try the shit Muslims do in a Saudi area and see their responses. And then listen to the Muslim brethrens here explain why its ok

Muslims kiss women openly in America, why not in Saudi Arabia? Bunch of entitled hyprocrites
Hmm I'm starting to understand why your neighbor suggest you learn about islam first...you really don't have a good understanding and likes to lump people together.

And yes the muslims would also well served to assimilate more in Australia if they haven't been doing that.

[poido123]

Hmm I'm starting to understand why your neighbor suggest you learn about islam first...you really don't have a good understanding and likes to lump people together.

And yes the muslims would also well served to assimilate more in Australia if they haven't been doing that.


That's the problem right there.

We don't need to be educated, nor understanding.

They occupy a western country as a minority. We don't need to accomodate or understand Islam. If they sought out people to understand their customs and traditions, by all means go live with people who share the same beliefs.

Here in Australia, we have very clear traditions and customs. One of them is, we don't where Burquas, Nijabs and the other traditional dress. We don't practice Islam and we don't worship in Mosques(Never understand why government/council build them).

Until A muslim here can explain why we need to bend over backwards for them, I'll gladly listen. I'm more than understanding for other cultures and countries who have made a recognisable effort to live and assimilate here.

[poido123]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7871304.stm

Kissing openly in public is not a Muslim country only thing.. A lot of asian countries also share that same culture when it comes to public display of affection.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_display_of_affection

Again, it's a cultural/regional thing... You need to take it easy brah.


There are many examples of hypocrisy.

I'd like you to match the negatives of Islam with Hindhu, Buddhist occupied areas and tell me if there is a reason why western cultures should be accepting of Muslims over these cultures.

I do not see these religious groups pushing their beliefs and customs on us. Muslims on the other hand...

[iamgine]

That's the problem right there.

We don't need to be educated, nor understanding.

They occupy a western country as a minority. We don't need to accomodate or understand Islam. If they sought out people to understand their customs and traditions, by all means go live with people who share the same beliefs.

Here in Australia, we have very clear traditions and customs. One of them is, we don't where Burquas, Nijabs and the other traditional dress. We don't practice Islam and we don't worship in Mosques(Never understand why government/council build them).

Until A muslim here can explain why we need to bend over backwards for them, I'll gladly listen. I'm more than understanding for other cultures and countries who have made a recognisable effort to live and assimilate here.

Well I certainly see the problem now. You hold a pretty extreme view. Muslims go to mosques so why shouldn't there be a mosque? Shouldn't there be churches in muslim countries for the Christians who lives there?

[poido123]

Well I certainly see the problem now. You hold a pretty extreme view. Muslims go to mosques so why shouldn't there be a mosque? Shouldn't there be churches in muslim countries for the Christians who lives there?


Is not finding refuge in a country with a vastly different culture not enough?

Do we need to accomodate land and resources to accomodate MINORITY religious groups in Australia?

Why should that happen? What rights do they have in a non-muslim country?

I would not be offended or shocked if christian churches were not allowed in a Muslim country. That is their laws and traditions we are encroaching on.

What right do i have to demand and expect my culture to be upheld in a Muslim country? I don't have any, that is the point.

Certain customs in a Saudi country are forbidden there, but here they are not against the law. Should I be shouting oppression and Christianphobia in their country because they won't abide by my religious laws and customs? You have to be kidding me :oldlol:

[poido123]

Sorry but.. who is we? Are you the indigenous people of that nation?


This is an anglo-saxon, christian majority country. We is the term we use as Australians or current occupiers of Australia.

Many cultures have come and gone through wars and takeovers, you or I may not agree with it, but that is reality.

Majority occupiers make the rules. That goes for religious customs and traditions too.

While I am very sympathetic and understanding of the indigenous culture here, we are doing everything in our power to ensure they progress forward and integrate their culture(which they have I might add) into anglo-saxon society. We abide by their land rights and we have progressed forward in understanding and living together.

I assume this is a clear diversion, as you cannot explain to me any of the questions I posed to you.

[iamgine]

Is not finding refuge in a country with a vastly different culture not enough?

Do we need to accomodate land and resources to accomodate MINORITY religious groups in Australia?

Why should that happen? What rights do they have in a non-muslim country?

I would not be offended or shocked if christian churches were not allowed in a Muslim country. That is their laws and traditions we are encroaching on.

What right do i have to demand and expect my culture to be upheld in a Muslim country? I don't have any, that is the point.

Certain customs in a Saudi country are forbidden there, but here they are not against the law. Should I be shouting oppression and Christianphobia in their country because they won't abide by my religious laws and customs? You have to be kidding me :oldlol:
Well as I said, you hold a pretty extreme view. Tolerance towards minority groups is important. Religious tolerance is important. If there are enough Muslims residing, then they should be able to voice out their desire to have a place to worship, a mosque. And the government of that place should grant it or even help to build it. That is...so normal.

[dude77]

http://i.imgur.com/AOTKxpc.jpg

Sorry to say but.. you have a very myopic, self-absorbed, pompous arrogant point of view. I really hope this mentality isn't wide-spread in Australia.

as opposed to these muslims(the ones who are guilty of it) who walk into other people's countries and demand special treatment ? lol

[poido123]

Well as I said, you hold a pretty extreme view. Tolerance towards minority groups is important. Religious tolerance is important. If there are enough Muslims residing, then they should be able to voice out their desire to have a place to worship, a mosque. And the government of that place should grant it or even help to build it. That is...so normal.


Extreme?

I know a lot of Australians who feel this way.

They are also fustrated and angry they can't do a damn thing about it, while we have a gutless government who will bend over to Muslim expectations and customs.

Asians/Indian cultures and people have learned to assimilate and blend in here and the Australian way. We can't say that for the Muslims. They have proved to be an absolute cancer on our society and an unwanted pest.

If they were more flexible with how they are, we could say nice things about them like we do with Indian and asian culture. But that is not the case.

[dude77]

Well as I said, you hold a pretty extreme view. Tolerance towards minority groups is important. Religious tolerance is important. If there are enough Muslims residing, then they should be able to voice out their desire to have a place to worship, a mosque. And the government of that place should grant it or even help to build it. That is...so normal.

respect is also important which certain people are lacking in their own 'extremes'

[Nick Young]

Saudi Arabia is among the worst and most corrupt countries in the world. Of course Muslims wouldn't kiss in public, because such an act would result in imprisonment. ****ed up I agree.. but that's the law of their land. But you want to talk about hypocrisy: Saudi Arabia also happens to be one of the US's biggest allies in that region despite it's poor human rights track record, history of supporting terrorism (along with Yiz), zero free-speech etc etc.. yet the world police and "spreader of democracy" is their butt-buddy.. now that is hypocrisy at it's finest.
Yeh, pretty weird that these arabic countries hate gays so much. I lived in Egypt and seemed like half the dudes were walking around in tight shitty knockoff Italian brand clothing and holding hands:facepalm

[Balla_Status]

Extreme?

I know a lot of Australians who feel this way.

They are also fustrated and angry they can't do a damn thing about it, while we have a gutless government who will bend over to Muslim expectations and customs.

Asians/Indian cultures and people have learned to assimilate and blend in here and the Australian way. We can't say that for the Muslims. They have proved to be an absolute cancer on our society and an unwanted pest.

If they were more flexible with how they are, we could say nice things about them like we do with Indian and asian culture. But that is not the case.

There's hardly any christians in Australia. I don't think I've even met a single one since I've lived here. In the city and in the outback.

Those in the outback share the, "we're full" sentiment though.

[iamgine]

Extreme?

I know a lot of Australians who feel this way.

They are also fustrated and angry they can't do a damn thing about it, while we have a gutless government who will bend over to Muslim expectations and customs.

Asians/Indian cultures and people have learned to assimilate and blend in here and the Australian way. We can't say that for the Muslims. They have proved to be an absolute cancer on our society and an unwanted pest.

If they were more flexible with how they are, we could say nice things about them like we do with Indian and asian culture. But that is not the case.
Well if you know a many Australians who feel that way you must be correct then :lol

Hey I know a lot of Americans who feel the moon landing was fake.

[LJJ]

Well as I said, you hold a pretty extreme view. Tolerance towards minority groups is important. Religious tolerance is important. If there are enough Muslims residing, then they should be able to voice out their desire to have a place to worship, a mosque. And the government of that place should grant it or even help to build it. That is...so normal.

It's fine if Muslims want a place of worship. They have gotten the citizenship, they should get the religious freedom that comes with it. If they want to build a mosque and start a congregation that's fine, they should be able to.

If only it were that simple. What about if mosques and schools and the like get sponsored? What if rather than funded by the local community it's actually the Turkish government, Moroccan government, whatever the government of the place these immigrants come from, all kinds of "charitable" organisations from Saudi Arabia and the Emirates funding these projects? Who maintain a lot of control over the projects they fund?

What if all the preachers in these mosques are conservative, non-native guys who have messed up views on morality and society and don't speak one word of the local language and don't have a clue about the local culture or society? Yet are still the biggest authority on all social issues to the people they preach to?

What if the fact that these mosques and schools are essentially institutions of a foreign government has greatly contributed to all these immigrants still identifying with their country of origin much more than their country of residence, many many generations down the line?


Religious freedom is all not such a simple question once you step away from the textbook and look at the real world implications. More or less religious freedom is not a black and white thing either, it's a spectrum. Maybe either of the extremes can be a bad thing depending on the situation.

[masonanddixon]

There's hardly any christians in Australia. I don't think I've even met a single one since I've lived here. In the city and in the outback.

Those in the outback share the, "we're full" sentiment though.

Most are Christian, but the overwhelming majority is secular and has never set foot in a church.

You also have to keep in mind you're in Queensland, where the average IQ is in the low 80s.

Go to the most provincial states like NSW, Victoria, and SA, and you'll find plenty of devout Christians.

[Nash]

all i see in this thread is the word 'accommodate'.

accommodate hand wipes
accommodate halal meat

so angry

[GimmeThat]

Religious freedom is all not such a simple question once you step away from the textbook and look at the real world implications. More or less religious freedom is not a black and white thing either, it's a spectrum. Maybe either of the extremes can be a bad thing depending on the situation.


religious freedom and the freedom to interpret something however you'd like - even out of context - are two very different things

you might want to plant a peach tree, an apple tree, and an orange tree

but have you checked whether or not the soil is moist enough for it to grow?

[poido123]

There's hardly any christians in Australia. I don't think I've even met a single one since I've lived here. In the city and in the outback.

Those in the outback share the, "we're full" sentiment though.


It's true. Christian faith has died off, but so has society. Go figure. My parents and grandparents life growing up had less violence, crime and the drug culture was far less impactful than it is now. Back when people actually gave a shit about their fellow man and worked hard for what they had.


The core of Anglo-Saxon religion or culture has been based on christianity/catholism and all denominations associated with them. Australia is very much in line with America, only that we aren't as patriotic or religious. We are however brought up on christian values in a majority of places, but may not practice worship or go to church anymore.


My point is, Muslim culture and customs is in complete contrast to how typical Australians live their life.

[RidonKs]

Well these restaurants make changes like this for a commercial reason. If they want to make a change that helps them include a significant group of customers without really excluding any others, what's the problem with that?


Although Halal meat should be banned.

We have all these standards around animal cruelty. A regular butcher would go to jail if he killed his animals by just hammering their necks with a blade and no anesthesia, because that's excessively cruel. So why should we allow halal/kosher butchers to do it? We live in a civilized society.
good post.

bottom line. if you like the free market, you should have no problem with this.

[JohnnySic]

Why is it always Muslims that get offended? You never hear about any other religous group being offended, just them. :confusedshrug:

PS - it's "Merry Christmas", not "Happy Holidays". Just so you know.

[NumberSix]

good post.

bottom line. if you like the free market, you should have no problem with this.
Yeah, and part of the free market includes customers deciding to not patronize a business if they don't approve of their business practices

It's no different than people with certain beliefs not patronizing chick fil a or people not liking the clippers if they think the owner is bad.

[RidonKs]

Yeah, and part of the free market includes customers deciding to not patronize a business if they don't approve of their business practices

It's no different than people with certain beliefs not patronizing chick fil a or people not liking the clippers if they think the owner is bad.
this was the business decision kfc made

they didn't "ban alcohol based hand-wipes". they only asked whether it was worth removing their provision of those hand-wipes at the expense of potentially offending a demographic they want to buy their chicken. and if making that decision turns people against kfc because they don't want to be associated with an organization that cowered under the pc police... well that's apparently a risk the management was willing to take.

but if you want a prediction, this will benefit kfc. maybe not much but nobody is going to decide not to get chicken there because there are no longer alcoholic-based hand-wipes... no matter what the reason is that they're no longer there. but a few muslims will probably appreciate the gesture. bet on it.

[poido123]

I agree with this. Don't like Halal-only KFC? Simply don't go there.

There's plenty of businesses where Christians/ Muslims/religious Jews and others don't shop because of their practices etc.. don't be an entitled prick that goes to a private business and complains about every single subtle/minute difference. Just step back and take your money elsewhere.


Again.. we talking about hand-wipes.. :lol Who here can't live without hand-wipes?


I'm sorry, but I think wiping my face with that sweet-smelling alcohol-filled swab is the best feeling in the world!

Have to have a laugh, even if this conversation got a bit serious :lol

[RidonKs]

there is a striking analogy between this conversation and the one that was being had oh about 55 years ago mostly in the american south. we're talking specifically about hand-wipes in this thread... but the more general theme is privately run organizations catering to beliefs/practises that are different from their own. and it almost always arises from complaints by customers, as was the case in the greensboro sitins which i was referring to above in which four young black men refused to leave first a diner and then a department store until it closed. and then a few dozen more blacks showed up the next day and the next and everybody in greensboro and then everybody in north carolina and then everybody in the couuntry was paying attention... and that was the last thing those who operated Woolworth Department Store wanted. it was a pretty big deal by then, an 80 year old store with a huge clientele. it was called a five and dime store. they did not eventually decide to let black negros shop in their store. and it took a long time after those sit-ins for anything to really change, which it did. through changes in both culture and law which operate very differently and should be judged accordingly.

the segregation conversation from decades back continues today with american libertarians insisting the private policies of organizations should be respected and that it violates their liberty to force them to cater to groups of people they don't want to. and that's a compelling argument and difficult to counter even though i'm glad blacks now get to shop wherever they want in the us of a.

of course there is a real world difference between catering to blacks who aren't allowed to shop at all and catering to muslims who might decide not to shop due to an aversion to alcohol-based hand-wipes. i don't really care if kfc offers alcohol based wipes. i'm sure they wouldn't mind you bringing your own into the restaurant so, as i said above, they certainly aren't banned. i do care quite a bit more that black people get to eat next to me in restaurants and stand next to me in line at the bank. i think that's important.

this. is. not. important.

though it is somewhat elucidating/illuminating/enlightening

[Nick Young]

Why is it always Muslims that get offended? You never hear about any other religous group being offended, just them. :confusedshrug:

PS - it's "Merry Christmas", not "Happy Holidays". Just so you know.
They are just the loudest and most obnoxious these days. Western Imams are encouraging them to be "loud and proud and strong" every time they feel there is an injustice towards Islam, or if they are treated differently for being a Muslim. It is a very toxic and annoying way of thinking that these Imams are spreading around to these young dumb impressionable kids but you can't deny this tactic isn't effective.

[iamgine]

It's fine if Muslims want a place of worship. They have gotten the citizenship, they should get the religious freedom that comes with it. If they want to build a mosque and start a congregation that's fine, they should be able to.

If only it were that simple. What about if mosques and schools and the like get sponsored? What if rather than funded by the local community it's actually the Turkish government, Moroccan government, whatever the government of the place these immigrants come from, all kinds of "charitable" organisations from Saudi Arabia and the Emirates funding these projects? Who maintain a lot of control over the projects they fund?

What if all the preachers in these mosques are conservative, non-native guys who have messed up views on morality and society and don't speak one word of the local language and don't have a clue about the local culture or society? Yet are still the biggest authority on all social issues to the people they preach to?

What if the fact that these mosques and schools are essentially institutions of a foreign government has greatly contributed to all these immigrants still identifying with their country of origin much more than their country of residence, many many generations down the line?


Religious freedom is all not such a simple question once you step away from the textbook and look at the real world implications. More or less religious freedom is not a black and white thing either, it's a spectrum. Maybe either of the extremes can be a bad thing depending on the situation.
Exactly why the government should still maintain regular control and make sure they had an understanding with the Muslim leaders that they'd help each other so that both the natives and immigrants will accept each other in time. It's quite simple really. Money coming from other sources can easily be detected. Any kind of hostile movement or preaching can easily be detected. The government have people who do this kind of stuff. Heck, recently the Australian government were caught spying on another country's president.

[Nick Young]

there is a striking analogy between this conversation and the one that was being had oh about 55 years ago mostly in the american south. we're talking specifically about hand-wipes in this thread... but the more general theme is privately run organizations catering to beliefs/practises that are different from their own. and it almost always arises from complaints by customers, as was the case in the greensboro sitins which i was referring to above in which four young black men refused to leave first a diner and then a department store until it closed. and then a few dozen more blacks showed up the next day and the next and everybody in greensboro and then everybody in north carolina and then everybody in the couuntry was paying attention... and that was the last thing those who operated Woolworth Department Store wanted. it was a pretty big deal by then, an 80 year old store with a huge clientele. it was called a five and dime store. they did not eventually decide to let black negros shop in their store. and it took a long time after those sit-ins for anything to really change, which it did. through changes in both culture and law which operate very differently and should be judged accordingly.

the segregation conversation from decades back continues today with american libertarians insisting the private policies of organizations should be respected and that it violates their liberty to force them to cater to groups of people they don't want to. and that's a compelling argument and difficult to counter even though i'm glad blacks now get to shop wherever they want in the us of a.

of course there is a real world difference between catering to blacks who aren't allowed to shop at all and catering to muslims who might decide not to shop due to an aversion to alcohol-based hand-wipes. i don't really care if kfc offers alcohol based wipes. i'm sure they wouldn't mind you bringing your own into the restaurant so, as i said above, they certainly aren't banned. i do care quite a bit more that black people get to eat next to me in restaurants and stand next to me in line at the bank. i think that's important.

this. is. not. important.

though it is somewhat elucidating/illuminating/enlightening
Islam is a religion, not a race. People can choose how they want to interpret the religion or if they want to stop being Muslims.

This is nothing like the south in the 1950s.

This is about a religion imposing its will on everything, and people who try to stand up to it getting called racist (even though Islam is a religious ideology) or Islamaphobic.

If KFC wants to do stupid shit like not offer towlettes to try to appeal to a large muslim demographic, they are allowed to do it. Doesn't change the fact that it's stupid, as Islam the religion has no problem with alcoholic sanitary towelettes. So basically KFC is trying to be accommodating but they are doing it wrong, out of ignorance.

[Nick Young]

Exactly why the government should still maintain regular control and make sure they had an understanding with the Muslim leaders that they'd help each other so that both the natives and immigrants will accept each other in time. It's quite simple really. Money coming from other sources can easily be detected. Any kind of hostile movement or preaching can easily be detected. The government have people who do this kind of stuff. Heck, recently the Australian government were caught spying on another country's president.
If the government tries to censor religious leaders, they will say it goes against freedom of worship. In the UK there have been a bunch of radical hate preachers going around in mosques saying shit like all homosexuals should be stoned to death, and all Jews need to die.

If people say anything against them, they are called culturally ignorant and islamaphobic, and the extra passionate dumbass ones start saying shit like "WHAT ABOUT DEMOCRACY?" and they play a huge victim complex in order to protect the hate preacher.

It happened at my university the Islam society sneakily invited a hate preacher on campus, the uni found out and cancelled it and banned the man from campus and suddenly there was this massive "Muslims being persecuted in university campaign" with a bunch of obnoxious yelling assholes.


I guess technically they are right. Just like the KKK is allowed to be the KKK, USA and UK laws give these hate preachers the right to say whatever they want. Unfortunately many of these young western born muslim dudes are looking up to the hate preachers as role models.

[RidonKs]

hey everybody let's play the stupid post smart post game!



Islam is a religion, not a race. People can choose how they want to interpret the religion or if they want to stop being Muslims.

This is nothing like the south in the 1950s.

This is about a religion imposing its will on everything, and people who try to stand up to it getting called racist (even though Islam is a religious ideology) or Islamaphobic.


If KFC wants to do stupid shit like not offer towlettes to try to appeal to a large muslim demographic, they are allowed to do it. Doesn't change the fact that it's stupid, as Islam the religion has no problem with alcoholic sanitary towelettes. So basically KFC is trying to be accommodating but they are doing it wrong, out of ignorance.
and the amazing thing is it was all part of the same post!

[brownmamba00]

It's fine if Muslims want a place of worship. They have gotten the citizenship, they should get the religious freedom that comes with it. If they want to build a mosque and start a congregation that's fine, they should be able to.

If only it were that simple. What about if mosques and schools and the like get sponsored? What if rather than funded by the local community it's actually the Turkish government, Moroccan government, whatever the government of the place these immigrants come from, all kinds of "charitable" organisations from Saudi Arabia and the Emirates funding these projects? Who maintain a lot of control over the projects they fund?

What if all the preachers in these mosques are conservative, non-native guys who have messed up views on morality and society and don't speak one word of the local language and don't have a clue about the local culture or society? Yet are still the biggest authority on all social issues to the people they preach to?

What if the fact that these mosques and schools are essentially institutions of a foreign government has greatly contributed to all these immigrants still identifying with their country of origin much more than their country of residence, many many generations down the line?


Religious freedom is all not such a simple question once you step away from the textbook and look at the real world implications. More or less religious freedom is not a black and white thing either, it's a spectrum. Maybe either of the extremes can be a bad thing depending on the situation.

what if what if what if

what if a christian church has a mentally disturbed preacher who fondles with little kids :rolleyes: ban christianity? :facepalm

it's not that easy to brainwash people can still make choices for themselves and no, muslims do not blindly follow what an Imam says if that was the case the world would be a better place believe me.

also I've been to mosques in Turkey, the US, England, Belgium, etc...I've never seen an Imam that preached violence...you really don't know what you are talking about if you think mosques are a place where muslims discuss how they can eliminate the infidels and take over the world :facepalm

btw I don't see what's wrong with foreign govts funding mosques and schools in other countries...Israel has been doing these kind of things in the US for years now.

[Nick Young]

what if what if what if

what if a christian church has a mentally disturbed preacher who fondles with little kids :rolleyes: ban christianity? :facepalm

it's not that easy to brainwash people can still make choices for themselves and no, muslims do not blindly follow what an Imam says if that was the case the world would be a better place believe me.

also I've been to mosques in Turkey, the US, England, Belgium, etc...I've never seen an Imam that preached violence...you really don't know what you are talking about if you think mosques are a place where muslims discuss how they can eliminate the infidels and take over the world :facepalm

btw I don't see what's wrong with foreign govts funding mosques and schools in other countries...Israel has been doing these kind of things in the US for years now.
I've lived in Cairo at a time when it was considered "one of the most progressive muslim countries in the middle east" and all day long I'd hear these psychos screaming off their minarets encouraging people to kill the jews, kill the americans, jihad jihad jihad ETC. I took arabic classes for a few years, and I did indeed understand the things they were saying. It was disturbing and relentless, and there was no way to not hear them because they were screaming off their minarets with megaphones.

AND THIS WAS IN AN UPPER CLASS WESTERN PART OF THE CITY.

Posters in here have even said that their Imams their whole lives have told them to hate and never trust Jews.


Maybe you went to good mosques run by good people, but you can't deny that a ton of these hate preacher psychos exist out there, and you can't say they don't have an influence over the people who attend their mosque.

[LJJ]

what if what if what if

what if a christian church has a mentally disturbed preacher who fondles with little kids :rolleyes: ban christianity? :facepalm

it's not that easy to brainwash people can still make choices for themselves and no, muslims do not blindly follow what an Imam says if that was the case the world would be a better place believe me.

also I've been to mosques in Turkey, the US, England, Belgium, etc...I've never seen an Imam that preached violence...you really don't know what you are talking about if you think mosques are a place where muslims discuss how they can eliminate the infidels and take over the world :facepalm

btw I don't see what's wrong with foreign govts funding mosques and schools in other countries...Israel has been doing these kind of things in the US for years now.

And the apologetics begin.

Where did I say preacher teach violence? I don't. I said European mosques routinely bring in preachers from Turkey and Morocco who don't have any clue about modern society or the country they happen to be in at the moment, yet they are still a moral authority in the community.

It subverts the local culture if little kids in Germany go to a Turkish, Muslim school. Go to a Turkish mosque with a Turkish preacher. Bring in their husband or wife from rural Turkey. If it hurts integration and subverts local values and morals that is definitely a problem, the Turkish government should have nothing to say about the values and morals of German society.

This isn't a what if scenario either, this is the way it is.

[MadeFromDust]

Moslems are so easily offended. They need to get their panties out they butt and start minding their own business instead of getting all offended at what other people do or don't do. :rolleyes:

[Myth]

Sounds like the KFC is telling the customers it is the fault of Muslims when that is completely unnecessary. Step 1: Buy non-alcohol cleaning wipes. They exist. Step 2: If a customer specifically say they want alcohol wipes, say "We don't have any alcohol wipes, but we have these (insert cleaning agent) wipes."

[Patrick Chewing]

Sounds like the KFC is telling the customers it is the fault of Muslims when that is completely unnecessary. Step 1: Buy non-alcohol cleaning wipes. They exist. Step 2: If a customer specifically say they want alcohol wipes, say "We don't have any alcohol wipes, but we have these (insert cleaning agent) wipes."


Or they can say, "We serve alcoholic wipes here, like we've been serving for the last 40 years. If you don't like it, you can eat elsewhere."

[Cactus-Sack]

Or they can say, "We serve alcoholic wipes here, like we've been serving for the last 40 years. If you don't like it, you can eat elsewhere."

Or like any business run by someone with a modicum of sense, they could take that persons money.

[knickballer]

And the apologetics begin.

Where did I say preacher teach violence? I don't. I said European mosques routinely bring in preachers from Turkey and Morocco who don't have any clue about modern society or the country they happen to be in at the moment, yet they are still a moral authority in the community.

It subverts the local culture if little kids in Germany go to a Turkish, Muslim school. Go to a Turkish mosque with a Turkish preacher. Bring in their husband or wife from rural Turkey. If it hurts integration and subverts local values and morals that is definitely a problem, the Turkish government should have nothing to say about the values and morals of German society.

This isn't a what if scenario either, this is the way it is.

Good points. Sometimes local imams will get their "education" done in the middle east and they basically get radicalized. This happened in Kosovo where a big shot Imam was schooled in Saudi Arabia and then preached what he learned. Thank god him and I think 40 other imams were just arrested in the middle of the night. Imams like these are the ones that brainwash kids to fight Jihad in Syria :facepalm

It's funny how in Kosovo(a muslim majority country) headscarves are banned, burkas banned, no call to prayer in the cities, arresting the radicals, etc, while the multicultural countries in Europe are letting radicals go wild and conform to muslims every needs. It's kinda comical actually.

[Patrick Chewing]

Or like any business run by someone with a modicum of sense, they could take that persons money.


By alienating others? The KFC business model was set in stone years and years ago. If every faith or group had it their way, the world would crumble beneath our feet. And like I said earlier in this thread, the Muslim population is so miniscule that this does not make a dent in sales plus or minus.

The real issue here, which you deny because you are either a Muslim yourself or a Muslim apologist, is the severity of these restrictions within that faith. A ****ing wet napkin with a little alcohol to kill bacteria?? Get over it, Islam.

[Nick Young]

It's funny how in Kosovo(a muslim majority country) headscarves are banned, burkas banned, no call to prayer in the cities, arresting the radicals, etc, while the multicultural countries in Europe are letting radicals go wild and conform to muslims every needs. It's kinda comical actually.
Kosovo:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

These guys, the Bosnians and the Kurds are who all Muslims should aspire to be like

[Cactus-Sack]

By alienating others? The KFC business model was set in stone years and years ago. If every faith or group had it their way, the world would crumble beneath our feet. And like I said earlier in this thread, the Muslim population is so miniscule that this does not make a dent in sales plus or minus.

The real issue here, which you deny because you are either a Muslim yourself or a Muslim apologist, is the severity of these restrictions within that faith. A ****ing wet napkin with a little alcohol to kill bacteria?? Get over it, Islam.

-It's not alienating anyone.
-KFC made this decision, there was no public pressure.
-1% for a nationwide business is not miniscule. It's 3+mil people. That's a lot of potential chicken eaters.
-I'm non-religious.
-Religion is stupid. Shocker.

[RidonKs]

By alienating others? The KFC business model was set in stone years and years ago. If every faith or group had it their way, the world would crumble beneath our feet. And like I said earlier in this thread, the Muslim population is so miniscule that this does not make a dent in sales plus or minus.

The real issue here, which you deny because you are either a Muslim yourself or a Muslim apologist, is the severity of these restrictions within that faith. A ****ing wet napkin with a little alcohol to kill bacteria?? Get over it, Islam.
what was this business model that kfc set in stone so many years ago patrick chewing? really i've never read anything about it and didn't realize kfc was committed to standing by its founding documents... here i foolishly assumed they paid attention to the real world and adapted their model of successful business practise in order to succeed in the free market. but you're right, it's wrong that they stopped offering alcohol-based hand-wipes to appease muslims. phht more like caving to terrorist demands LOL.

islam's so dumb anyway. whats its problem with booze? you can't find completely ridiculous rules and rituals in christian or jewish or hindu or zoroastrian scripture.... so what's the deal islam? why are you so uptight? scared to have a little fun?

[Patrick Chewing]

what was this business model that kfc set in stone so many years ago patrick chewing? really i've never read anything about it and didn't realize kfc was committed to standing by its founding documents... here i foolishly assumed they paid attention to the real world and adapted their model of successful business practise in order to succeed in the free market. but you're right, it's wrong that they stopped offering alcohol-based hand-wipes to appease muslims. phht more like caving to terrorist demands LOL.

islam's so dumb anyway. whats its problem with booze? you can't find completely ridiculous rules and rituals in christian or jewish or hindu or zoroastrian scripture.... so what's the deal islam? why are you so uptight? scared to have a little fun?

Which is what I referred to in my previous post. If businesses catered and changed their model to appease every culture in the world, they'd go out of business within the year!

I'm a Coke drinker. So when I go to restaurants that only serve Pepsi, I don't stop eating there. I adapt and go with something else or drink water.
I don't stand outside the restaurant with picket signs demanding they serve Coca-Cola.

And it's not like Muslims just sprang up out of nowhere in the last couple of years. Muslims have been around for centuries and restaurants like KFC have been around Muslims for quite some time too. Why all of a sudden is there a need to appease to a certain demographic?? Again, we're talking about wet-naps that kill bacteria. That's a good thing!

[imdaman99]

There are large quantities of Muslims in certain communities. I know of 2 halal KFCs here in NYC and I am sure the owners are Muslim. I am sure the Muslim owner would want to appease a big portion of the people that buy from there.

That being said, I have no problem using alcohol pads to sterilize my hands. I ain't drinkin it :oldlol:

[RidonKs]

I don't stand outside the restaurant with picket signs demanding they serve Coca-Cola.
i have read nothing about protests causing this. care to share this information?

though even if kfc did make this change to appease muslims who were insulted and unhappy that they would dare to offer alcohol-based hand-wipes, the most i could say given freedom and liberty and democracy and all that good stuff is that the protester is silly to be spending so much energy on something so dumb and small. but i can't stop him. and i'm certainly not convinced banning alcohol-based hand-wipes will have bad consequences... it might or it might not. it probably won't tbh.

[GimmeThat]

if they found another way to keep the place clean

I can't see how customers should be offended.


unless bigotry/prejudice you know

[TheSilentKiller]

Since when do fast food places have alcohol based wipes? I've never seen a place with more than napkins

[GimmeThat]

Which is what I referred to in my previous post. If businesses catered and changed their model to appease every culture in the world, they'd go out of business within the year!

I'm a Coke drinker. So when I go to restaurants that only serve Pepsi, I don't stop eating there. I adapt and go with something else or drink water.
I don't stand outside the restaurant with picket signs demanding they serve Coca-Cola.

And it's not like Muslims just sprang up out of nowhere in the last couple of years. Muslims have been around for centuries and restaurants like KFC have been around Muslims for quite some time too. Why all of a sudden is there a need to appease to a certain demographic?? Again, we're talking about wet-naps that kill bacteria. That's a good thing!


but you're certainly not going to the restaurant for their drinks but their food only.

[Patrick Chewing]

but you're certainly not going to the restaurant for their drinks but their food only.


Right. Which is why KFC caved because all we're truly talking about is wet-naps. Wet-naps! Complaining about Pepsi and about wet-naps is downright stupid.

Muslims are clearly going for the food too and this is where their focus should be and only be. I blame KFC for caving, but Islam clearly has ridiculous restrictions within that faith and that is part of the reason it catches the amount of heat it does.

[nightprowler10]

I'm not a Muslim but I don't tolerate that kinda bullshit you just said. Serious or not, go **** yourself.
The kind of stuff allowed at ISH is ridiculous.

[NumberSix]

I bet no muslims even said anything about these napkins. Probably just some KFC exec ASSUMED they would be offended by them.

[nightprowler10]

^^

BTW, I've never heard of alcohol wipes being an issue for Muslims before this and I'm surrounded by them. Every Muslim with a brain understands alcohol is only forbidden for recreational purposes (wine, beer, etc.). I work in pharma manufacturing where IPA is used everywhere and not a single Muslim that works here is offended by it...because it's idiotic.

[MadeFromDust]

Since when do fast food places have alcohol based wipes? I've never seen a place with more than napkins
Yeah, that ^^ :biggums:

[MadeFromDust]

I bet no muslims even said anything about these napkins. Probably just some KFC exec ASSUMED they would be offended by them.
Hmmmmmm...maybe they're being facetious to draw ridicule on moslems?

[MadeFromDust]

^^

BTW, I've never heard of alcohol wipes being an issue for Muslims before this and I'm surrounded by them. Every Muslim with a brain understands alcohol is only forbidden for recreational purposes (wine, beer, etc.). I work in pharma manufacturing where IPA is used everywhere and not a single Muslim that works here is offended by it...because it's idiotic.
:wtf: Izlom has those? :coleman:

[MadeFromDust]

Kentucky ought to sue their asses off to get their name out their halal mouths