Jesus Never Existed: New Report Finds No Mention Of Christ In 126 Historical Texts

[oarabbus]

[quote]Jesus never existed. That is the conclusion of a researcher who says he has combed 126 texts written during or shortly after the time Jesus is supposed to have lived

[~primetime~]

Jesus Christ may or may not have been a real human being, idk...but I want to point this out:


While today Christianity has become the most popular religion in world history, with 2.2 billion human beings calling themselves Christians, Paulkovich points out that as late as the the Fourth Century, Christianity was still a small and widely persecuted cult.

*IF* Christianity started as a small cult and grew from there, then why would he be mentioned in any old writing shortly after his death? No one knew of him for quite a while as they point out.

They didn't have Twitter back then, word took a little longer to spread...

[ArbitraryWater]

Jesus existed... Believe

[KyrieTheFuture]

Funny thing about faith is, no amount of facts will ever change their mind. Faith is entirely separated from truth, it's irrelevant to the believer.

[KingBeasley08]

I think Yeshua was most likely real, just not very important till his followers became more prominent in the years to come

[fpliii]

Pretty interesting I guess, though we'd have to read the entirety of his article to be careful of the criteria he used.

I don't care either way, but it does rub me the wrong way how some individuals treat it as a given that an Historical Jesus did exist. Nice to hear that someone did the legwork to definitively put that to rest. People can still believe what they want (and I don't care as long as indoctrination isn't vocal, and religious beliefs don't play into political decisions) obviously, and if faith gives someone direction/a moral compass or something of the sort, good for him/her.

[dh144498]

that is why religion can only be "verified" through faith, not by facts.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm not religious at all but there's a fair amount of evidence that a non-mythical jesus existed. This guy is self promoting a blog post on an atheist website. This isn't some peer reviewed historical paper.

[fpliii]

I'm not religious at all but there's a fair amount of evidence that a non-mythical jesus existed. This guy is self promoting a blog post on an atheist website. This isn't some peer reviewed historical paper.
Yeah, just checked out the link. Doesn't have much credibility.

[Akrazotile]

Did some loser really spend his time on that shit? :facepalm

[Rodmantheman]

Made this thread about a week ago.

[ArbitraryWater]

Pretty interesting I guess, though we'd have to read the entirety of his article to be careful of the criteria he used.

I don't care either way, but it does rub me the wrong way how some individuals treat it as a given that an Historical Jesus did exist. Nice to hear that someone did the legwork to definitively put that to rest. People can still believe what they want (and I don't care as long as indoctrination isn't vocal, and religious beliefs don't play into political decisions) obviously, and if faith gives someone direction/a moral compass or something of the sort, good for him/her.

:no: :confusedshrug:

Also
I'm not religious at all but there's a fair amount of evidence that a non-mythical jesus existed. This guy is self promoting a blog post on an atheist website. This isn't some peer reviewed historical paper.

[DonDadda59]

Made this thread about a week ago.

Week agoooooooo

http://cdn.hiphopsince1987.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tumblr_n85k6ub7111twulego1_400.gif

But seriously doe...

[QUOTE]Paulkovich writes,

[CelticBaller]

I'm not religious at all but there's a fair amount of evidence that a non-mythical jesus existed. This guy is self promoting a blog post on an atheist website. This isn't some peer reviewed historical paper.
this

[Rodmantheman]

Week agoooooooo

http://cdn.hiphopsince1987.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tumblr_n85k6ub7111twulego1_400.gif

But seriously doe...



No shit, Sherlock :biggums:

Instead of working to see if there was a Historical record of a recycled Pagan myth, a better use of his time would've been to look for records of an actual person who led the early Jewish 'Christians'. He mentions the Dead Sea Scrolls and how they don't mention Jesus, yet overlooks them mentioning an unnamed Teacher of Righteousness. If anyone is a candidate for the Historical Jesus, it would be whoever that is- led an Apocalyptic sect that broke off from mainstream Judaism, was viewed as a messianic figure, was executed after bumping heads with the powers that were.

Much more interesting. To me at least.

:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Ok. I guess it's time you guys knew the truth.


Early in the first century it became clear that it was only a matter of time before this monotheism thing caught on and started to spread. But the jewminati did not want all these outsiders to convert to their religion, which had been given specially to the Israelites. So they hired an out-of-work actor named Jeshua and an agent/hype man named Paul from their ranks, and used their control of the mass media to launch the new pop act in the mainstream. And thus the gentiles got what they wanted, the jews got what they wanted, and everyone lived happily ever after.



Until Muhammed came along :mad: :lol

[BasedTom]

Ok. I guess it's time you guys knew the truth.


Early in the first century it became clear that it was only a matter of time before this monotheism thing caught on and started to spread. But the jewminati did not want all these outsiders to convert to their religion, which had been given specially to the Israelites. So they hired an out-of-work actor named Jeshua and an agent/hype man named Paul from their ranks, and used their control of the mass media to launch the new pop act in the mainstream. And thus the gentiles got what they wanted, the jews got what they wanted, and everyone lived happily ever after.



Until Muhammed came along :mad: :lol
http://i1.cdnds.net/13/24/618x373/brock-lesnar-paul-heyman.jpg

[lakers_forever]

I'm not religious at all but there's a fair amount of evidence that a non-mythical jesus existed. This guy is self promoting a blog post on an atheist website. This isn't some peer reviewed historical paper.

Yep. Also the first critics of cristianisty in the first centuries AD never attacked it saying that Jesus did not exist. And those critics made up some nasty things (like Mary was a whore and Jesus was the bastard of a roman soldier). If Jesus had not existed, those critics would have mentioned it.

Those who claim Jesus never existed started to appear in the 19th century, inspired by anti religious feelings. That claim has no place in the academy. No relevant scholar, not one single Professor of early christianisy history in the whole western world defends that Jesus did not exist. You got christian, jewish - the late great Geza Vermes, agnostic - like Bart Ehrman, atheists scholars and they all (those relevant in the field, who teach at universities) say he existed. They disagree on the extent that we can know about Jesus.

There is not one peer reviewed work defending Jesus did not exist. Mysticism (this theory that Jesus did not exist) is to History as Creationism is to biology. Those who defend that Jesus did not exist, like Creationists, say that there is bias in the academy (even though a lot of scholars are not christians), that they are persecuted by the scholars and they can't be convinced at all.

[fpliii]

:no: :confusedshrug:

Also
I said that before reading the article, I'd thought it was something from a scholarly journal.

I guess you can't prove a negative, and it doesn't affect me one way or another if a real life person named Jesus did exist, but I'd like to see a source on it.

[KyleKong]

Believe in Jesus or not, anyone who thinks he never existed is a dumby.

[KingBeasley08]

Who the fvk is yeshuwa?

we talkin bout jc
my b, meant Yeshua

That's the man's real name.

[fpliii]

Believe in Jesus or not, anyone who thinks he never existed is a dumby.
Seems like I was wrong. Looks like there are reliable non-tainted sources for his Baptism and Crucifixion.

[KyleKong]

Seems like I was wrong. Looks like there are reliable non-tainted sources for his Baptism and Crucifixion.

I never really looked into the scientific history of religious figureheads. But I thought the majority of the anthropologist community agreed that Jesus was a actual person and was crucified.

[fpliii]

I never really looked into the scientific history of religious figureheads. But I thought the majority of the anthropologist community agreed that Jesus was a actual person and was crucified.
I never did either. I think there's actually a book out there suggesting that he actually travelled to India for some time?

[DeuceWallaces]

I never did either. I think there's actually a book out there suggesting that he actually travelled to India for some time?

There is a western man that shows up in eastern documents that coincide with Jesus' missing years in Europe; many believe it is him. Some go as far as claiming he may have studied with Buddhist monks and learned several meditative and body control techniques that could account for his mystical reputation and representation in Christian texts.

There are several documentaries and books about this.

[fpliii]

There is a western man that shows up in eastern documents that coincide with Jesus' missing years in Europe; many believe it is him. Some go as far as claiming he may have studied with Buddhist monks and learned several meditative and body control techniques that could account for his mystical reputation and representation in Christian texts.

There are several documentaries and books about this.
Pretty interesting, thanks.

Is there a particular documentary/book/reference in particular you'd recommend on the topic?

[KyleKong]

There is a western man that shows up in eastern documents that coincide with Jesus' missing years in Europe; many believe it is him. Some go as far as claiming he may have studied with Buddhist monks and learned several meditative and body control techniques that could account for his mystical reputation and representation in Christian texts.

There are several documentaries and books about this.

:lebronamazed:

Whatttt

That's crazy

[ILLsmak]

Yeah I saw him at Home Depot getting into the bed of a truck.

haha.

Yeah I mean... I think the whole virgin thing is kinda iffy because if you read the Gospel of Mark it doesn't even talk about the birth. That does sound like a myth, to me, and I was raised a Christian.

I still believe in God and I think even if "the crucifixion was metaphorical" that if you can actually go in on what it means... the life of Jesus. That, basically, in order to attain 'salvation' you have to give yourself to others as if you were a slave to God, then, you are going to be persecuted and martyred despite not doing any great wrong...

I mean, that is something I think a lot of Christians don't wanna talk about. They are like NAH GRACE THO. JESUS SAVED ME. HE DIED FOR MY SINS. It's like well... maybe Jesus existed to show you how to live and you're ****ing up. Just sayin'.

Talk about an impossible standard, though.

-Smak

[HomieWeMajor]

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

[DeuceWallaces]

Pretty interesting, thanks.

Is there a particular documentary/book/reference in particular you'd recommend on the topic?

History channel will play a shit ton of Jesus documentaries on Easter. I used to watch them every year. I'm not sure if they still do this, but I saw that one a few times. Although it must have been 10 years ago (maybe longer), so I don't remember any specifics.

[KingBeasley08]

the worst skeptics are the ones that deny Muhammad existed. Jesus, at least he was a minor player when alive and was just your average jewish preacher


Muhammad was conquering shit while he was still alive. jesus, Muhammad, Buddha.. all real dudes

Jesus is the one that has been changed the most doe. Went from regular dude to 'Son of God'. Council of Nicaea is the blame. Damn church edited what Jesus taught and persecuted his original followers :(

[GimmeThat]

wait.

so what year is it again?

[NumberSix]

wait.

so what year is it again?
Depends who you ask.

If the point you're trying to make is that you think we've been counting years for 2014 years, we haven't. We've only been using this calendar for 432 years. We didn't start counting from 0. We started at 1582.

[outbreak]

Eh I have no horse in this race, I am atheist and don't believe in god but from everything I have read myself from other researchers there was a real basis for Jesus who was a preacher around that period. There were a large number of preachers though and Jesus wasn't the first to preach the stuff he was preaching but there are historical documents from the time that do mention him. From memory there are some roman scholars who wrote about the crucifixion and I was under the assumption it was widely accepted he did exist by most historians. Existing and performing miracles and being the son of god are two totally different things though. I don't believe any of the later.

[DonDadda59]

Ok. I guess it's time you guys knew the truth.


Early in the first century it became clear that it was only a matter of time before this monotheism thing caught on and started to spread. But the jewminati did not want all these outsiders to convert to their religion, which had been given specially to the Israelites. So they hired an out-of-work actor named Jeshua and an agent/hype man named Paul from their ranks, and used their control of the mass media to launch the new pop act in the mainstream. And thus the gentiles got what they wanted, the jews got what they wanted, and everyone lived happily ever after.



Until Muhammed came along :mad: :lol

Of course :rolleyes:

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/greedy-jewish-person-cartoon.jpg

*That's actually Paul's High School yearbook picture.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Jesus Liveshttp://momforgottomention.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/dsc03580.jpg

[KNOW1EDGE]

Why does this matter to you?

[DonDadda59]

the worst skeptics are the ones that deny Muhammad existed. Jesus, at least he was a minor player when alive and was just your average jewish preacher


Muhammad was conquering shit while he was still alive. jesus, Muhammad, Buddha.. all real dudes

Jesus is the one that has been changed the most doe. Went from regular dude to 'Son of God'. Council of Nicaea is the blame. Damn church edited what Jesus taught and persecuted his original followers :(

Some Historians believe that they went underground and moved away from Judea when the Pauline Christians (Pagans really) and the Romans began persecuting them and suppressing/destroying their writings (some of which were hidden and found i.e. the dead sea scrolls and the 'lost gospels'). It's believed that the original Muslims encountered one or more of these groups (Ebionites) and learned about their religion, which is why Jesus (Issa) is featured in the Quran. Muhammad's uncle, the person who raised him, and his first wife's cousin were both prominent Ebionite Christians.

So the irony is that it's very possible that Islam/the Quran's version of Jesus is closer to reality than Pauline Christian's/the New Testament.


I feel like you'd have to delude yourself pretty heavily to think Jesus never existed. Seems like everyone around him agreed he existed, and tons of the people around him were known to exist.

Like who?

[DonDadda59]

Christianity was the main religion in much of the mid east when Mohammed was alive....so they definitely weren't persecuted and Mohammed almost certainly heard of him.

You do know that there were many sects of Christianity that were at odds with each other before Constantine attempted to establish an orthodoxy, right? There were groups, generally termed Ebionites (specifically the Essene, Nazarene, etc), who rejected Paul of Tarsus as an apostate from the law and an outright liar. Many of them denied Jesus' divinitiy, even if they considered him the messiah. They didn't adhere to Paul's pagan white-washing of their religion.

But in the end, Paul's school of thought won out and Constantine's minions consolidated the writings they favored into the New Testament while banning and suppressing the writings of other sects (like I mentioned before, ie, the so-called Lost Gospels). Those groups were persecuted by the Paulines and either faded away or relocated to escape the purge.

It should be noted also that Paul never met Jesus and admitted to being a liar in his own writings.


Pontius Pilate, John the Baptist, and quite a few of the apostles are noted in historic texts.

Show me Historical excerpts that contemporaneously mention John or the apostles or Pilate's coming into contact with Jesus.

[~primetime~]

Pontius Pilate supposedly sentenced Christ to be executed via crucifixion

From what I read not only was crucifixion common back then, but it was also common for men to claim to be the son of God, and Christ wasn't the only one killed for claiming that.

I don't know if he was a real human or not but it wouldn't surprise me either way.

[GimmeThat]

lets just say since he was so mythical and all
it was definitely organized.

as to what crime?


I am unaware of the fact that our good ole boy jesus was into politics or being into the government

[DonDadda59]

lets just say since he was so mythical and all
it was definitely organized.

as to what crime?


I am unaware of the fact that our good ole boy jesus was into politics or being into the government

What's your deal? :coleman:

Been meaning to ask you for a while but never got around to it. Every time I see one of your posts, it makes little to no sense. Just rambling, random thoughts threaded together into a casserole of nonsense.

Anyway, as to the bold- Jesus as we know him today was in fact a creation of a government/political body. The Ecumenical Councils voted on such things as his divinity, his relationship to God, etc.

And it's funny that Christians disregard one of Jesus' most important teachings/prophecies when he warned about the coming of false prophets:

For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many... Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. (Matthew 24: 5, 11)

Then like clockwork, along comes Saul of Tarsus who used to kill Christians for fun... he starts making up shit about a guy who he never met and turns him into a Pagan deity... and people lap it up. Literally billions of people worldwide follow this guy's bullshit, when they were warned by the HNIC that he would come along and trick them.

If anyone is the so-called anti-Christ, it's muhphucking Paul. :lol

[Nick Young]

Christians are never going to believe this. They will just call it devil work. It is sad that atleast half of the world is in denial about reality.

It is sad that this made up man has inspired the slaughter of so many people, and spawned so many of the worlds prejudices.

[CavaliersFTW]

For lots of links and references visit the original site http://www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/#xdLuRPGd9zddsqhm.01


lol jesus
:applause:

[GimmeThat]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]What's your deal? :coleman:

Been meaning to ask you for a while but never got around to it. Every time I see one of your posts, it makes little to no sense. Just rambling, random thoughts threaded together into a casserole of nonsense.

Anyway, as to the bold- Jesus as we know him today was in fact a creation of a government/political body. The Ecumenical Councils voted on such things as his divinity, his relationship to God, etc.

And it's funny that Christians disregard one of Jesus' most important teachings/prophecies when he warned about the coming of false prophets:

[B]For many will come in My name, saying,

[RoseCity07]

Just saying, didn't lots of people named Jesus exist in history. Are they just trying to say that a specific Jesus didn't exist?

[lakers_forever]

There is a western man that shows up in eastern documents that coincide with Jesus' missing years in Europe; many believe it is him. Some go as far as claiming he may have studied with Buddhist monks and learned several meditative and body control techniques that could account for his mystical reputation and representation in Christian texts.

There are several documentaries and books about this.

Missing years in Europe? Jesus never set foot in Europe. He lived and preached in Judea (ocuppied by the Roman Empire).

I have read a lot of the most relevant scholars in the field and I can say to you that no one defend that Jesus ever visited India (or anywhere else outside Judea) and never had any contact with Buddhist monks.

Documentaries are usually crap. Name one book, please. I doubt it is from a serious scholar on the field.

The thing is some authors (almost all without formation on the field and with no space in the academy) write books with different, bombastic theories about Jesus, because it sells. Non peer reviewed works intended to sell books. People like Acharya S (the woman with an arts degree who claim Jesus was a myth and a copy of pagan gods like Horus*), Joseph Atwill (the guy with a degree in computer science who claim Jesus was invented by the Romans). Even scholars like Reza Aslan (with his best seller on Jesus thanks to Fox News) is a complete nobody on the field and his views are seen as sloppy work and with theories refuted decades ago.

Anyone who claims Jesus went to the East and visit Buddhist monks is just trying to sell books.


*Her claims inspired Zeitgeist and are completely rejected by both Egyptologists and NT and Early Christanity historians.



Just saying, didn't lots of people named Jesus exist in history. Are they just trying to say that a specific Jesus didn't exist?


No. Jesus, the guy who preached, had disciples, was crucified by Pontius Pilate existed. It is the consentual view of the Academy.

See an interview of some guy with Barth Ehrman, an agnostic and famous scholar on the field. The interviewer asks this exact question you asked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdqJyk-dtLs

[RoseCity07]

Missing years in Europe? Jesus never set foot in Europe. He lived and preached in Judea (ocuppied by the Roman Empire).

I have read a lot of the most relevant scholars in the field and I can say to you that no one defend that Jesus ever visited India (or anywhere else outside Judea) and never had any contact with Buddhist monks.

Documentaries are usually crap. Name one book, please. I doubt it is from a serious scholar on the field.

The thing is some authors (almost all without formation on the field and with no space in the academy) write books with different, bombastic theories about Jesus, because it sells. Non peer reviewed works intended to sell books. People like Acharya S (the woman with an arts degree who claim Jesus was a myth and a copy of pagan gods like Horus*), Joseph Atwill (the guy with a degree in computer science who claim Jesus was invented by the Romans). Even scholars like Reza Aslan (with his best seller on Jesus thanks to Fox News) is a complete nobody on the field and his views are seen as sloppy work and with theories refuted decades ago.

Anyone who claims Jesus went to the East and visit Buddhist monks is just trying to sell books.


*Her claims inspired Zeitgeist and are completely rejected by both Egyptologists and NT and Early Christanity historians.





No. Jesus, the guy who preached, had disciples, was crucified by Pontius Pilate existed. It is the consentual view of the Academy.

See an interview of some guy with Barth Ehrman, an agnostic and famous scholar on the field. The interviewer asks this exact question you asked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdqJyk-dtLs

We don't even know if Shakespeare existed. There is no proof Jesus, the one Christians refer to, ever existed. We just sort of all agree it's probable.

[GimmeThat]

I do not follow christianity, but I mean, whether or not he did or did not exist, why does it matter? Now a days the modern christian goes to church and follows christianity beliefs to better themselves, give them some positive outlook on life, and also a community where they can belong. Who are we to bash something that makes a person feel good and makes them a better person? Do some christians take it too far by pushing their beliefs on other people and the media? Yes. But apart from that 5%, most christians I know and work with are good, whole hearted people, I just dont understand why people have to go out to prove if he did or did not exist.


I don't know. But it could be possible that it may be convenient for others to convince/accuse Christian of wrong doing by proving he never existed.

[dh144498]

The movie "Man From Earth", is basically the story about "Jesus".

[DeuceWallaces]

Missing years in Europe? Jesus never set foot in Europe. He lived and preached in Judea (ocuppied by the Roman Empire).

I have read a lot of the most relevant scholars in the field and I can say to you that no one defend that Jesus ever visited India (or anywhere else outside Judea) and never had any contact with Buddhist monks.

Documentaries are usually crap. Name one book, please. I doubt it is from a serious scholar on the field.

The thing is some authors (almost all without formation on the field and with no space in the academy) write books with different, bombastic theories about Jesus, because it sells. Non peer reviewed works intended to sell books. People like Acharya S (the woman with an arts degree who claim Jesus was a myth and a copy of pagan gods like Horus*), Joseph Atwill (the guy with a degree in computer science who claim Jesus was invented by the Romans). Even scholars like Reza Aslan (with his best seller on Jesus thanks to Fox News) is a complete nobody on the field and his views are seen as sloppy work and with theories refuted decades ago.

Anyone who claims Jesus went to the East and visit Buddhist monks is just trying to sell books.


*Her claims inspired Zeitgeist and are completely rejected by both Egyptologists and NT and Early Christanity historians.





No. Jesus, the guy who preached, had disciples, was crucified by Pontius Pilate existed. It is the consentual view of the Academy.

See an interview of some guy with Barth Ehrman, an agnostic and famous scholar on the field. The interviewer asks this exact question you asked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdqJyk-dtLs

Lol this guys argues semantics, demands proof, then posts a youtube video.

Today's youth :facepalm

[lakers_forever]

Lol this guys argues semantics, demands proof, then posts a youtube video.

Today's youth :facepalm

No, Deuces. I posted that youtube for Rose. Also because it is not some dude speaking bs, the giy being interviewed is Bart Ehrman, one of the leading scholars on the field ... Do you really think Rose would read an entire book on the subject today?

If you want books about the Historical Jesus:

Bart Ehrman - Did Jesus exist?

Robert Van Voorst - Jesus outside the New Testament

Geza Vermes - Jesus the jew.

I think I was kind of rude in my post. So I apologize. I think that's why you posted that. You offered no evidence of scholary work on that Jesus contact with Budhists theory simply because it probably does not exist. I can say to you that if it does, it does not have any relevant acceptance in the field.
Same with those who claim Jesus did not exist. No professor of Early Christianty and NT history in the western world claim Jesus did not exist. Those mysthicists theories don't even pass peer rewiew.

Again, sorry for the tone of my previous post. I did not mean to offend you.

Best regards!

[DeuceWallaces]

No, Deuces. I posted that youtube for Rose. Also because it is not some dude speaking bs, the giy being interviewed is Bart Ehrman, one of the leading scholars on the field ... Do you really think Rose would read an entire book on the subject today?

If you want books about the Historical Jesus:

Bart Ehrman - Did Jesus exist?

Robert Van Voorst - Jesus outside the New Testament

Geza Vermes - Jesus the jew.

I think I was kind of rude in my post. So I apologize. I think that's why you posted that. You offered no evidence of scholary work on that Jesus contact with Budhists theory simply because it probably does not exist. I can say to you that if it does, it does not have any relevant acceptance in the field.
Same with those who claim Jesus did not exist. No professor of Early Christianty and NT history in the western world claim Jesus did not exist. Those mysthicists theories don't even pass peer rewiew.

Again, sorry for the tone of my previous post. I did not mean to offend you.

Best regards!

I'm not here to write you a research paper. There are plenty of books and scholarly papers which suggest he went east for his missing years. Just because you're not aware of them doesn't mean they don't exist. A simple Google search will find them for you.

[nightprowler10]

I swear DonDada is the only mofo whose posts are worth reading on this topic.

[Take Your Lumps]

My favorite part of all religions are the loop holes and mental gymnastics people come up with to justify their beliefs...it's really wild.

Judaism and Islam in particular are unreal at it when it comes to restricting human behavior. This is absolute gold:

Orthodox Jewish man photographed covering himself in plastic bag during flight because faith forbids him to fly over cemeteries (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307713/Pictured-Orthodox-Jewish-man-covers-PLASTIC-BAG-flight.html)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/11/article-2307713-193E4E9B000005DC-456_634x632.jpg

:applause:

[Nick Young]

My favorite part of all religions are the loop holes and mental gymnastics people come up with to justify their beliefs...it's really wild.

Judaism and Islam in particular are unreal at it when it comes to restricting human behavior. This is absolute gold:

Orthodox Jewish man photographed covering himself in plastic bag during flight because faith forbids him to fly over cemeteries (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307713/Pictured-Orthodox-Jewish-man-covers-PLASTIC-BAG-flight.html)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/11/article-2307713-193E4E9B000005DC-456_634x632.jpg

:applause:
lol why would the plastic stop anything? He's still flying over cemeteries. Must be holy plastic.

[~primetime~]

I do not follow christianity, but I mean, whether or not he did or did not exist, why does it matter? Now a days the modern christian goes to church and follows christianity beliefs to better themselves, give them some positive outlook on life, and also a community where they can belong. Who are we to bash something that makes a person feel good and makes them a better person? Do some christians take it too far by pushing their beliefs on other people and the media? Yes. But apart from that 5%, most christians I know and work with are good, whole hearted people, I just dont understand why people have to go out to prove if he did or did not exist.
:applause:

exactly

I know plenty of Christians and they are all good level headed peeps who accept evolution, dinosaurs, etc...many of the Christians I know don't view the Bible as literal either, they view Noah's ark as a STORY.

It's the small % of Christian loons out there that give the others a bad rep...it's a shame imo

The people out there who have the goal of shitting on other people's beliefs are bigots...live and let live

[Take Your Lumps]

lol why would the plastic stop anything? He's still flying over cemeteries. Must be holy plastic.

Duh...layers of aircraft grade aluminum and 30,000 feet of separation isn't enough.

This shit is fascinating to me. Who is making this shit up?

[NumberSix]

lol why would the plastic stop anything? He's still flying over cemeteries. Must be holy plastic.
Because the giant metal tube he's sitting in isn't enough.

[Take Your Lumps]

I know plenty of Christians and they are all good level headed peeps who accept evolution, dinosaurs, etc...many of the Christians I know don't view the Bible as literal either, they view Noah's ark as a STORY.

It's the small % of Christian loons out there that give the others a bad rep...it's a shame imo

If the % were really that miniscule there would be no reason for the leadership of a major political party (in a two party system) to constantly play to those misguided prejudices.

If you were to publicly poll every single republican congress person and senator and ask them if they view evolution as a scientific fact or that Noah's ark is just a story, what do you think the majority of them would say? We're talking about nearly half of the US population that they're playing to.

Here are a couple of Pew and Gallup polls of Americans in recent years:

In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins (http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx)

[URL="http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/"]Pew Research: Public

[DonDadda59]

No. Jesus, the guy who preached, had disciples, was crucified by Pontius Pilate existed. It is the consentual view of the Academy.



Well I'm glad the Academy wasn't raped and it was consentual. :applause:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFB0ozhcUU








:yaohappy:

[~primetime~]

My point is, all beliefs are not created equal. But that still doesn't give you the right to be a dick unless those beliefs are actively killing or harming other people.
exactly, that was my point as well

I will say that if the majority of those in politics are rejecting evolution that is worth speaking up about. I'm not sure I give a shit if someone takes Noah's Ark as literal though. I don't believe it, but they can if they want, doesn't hurt me.

[Nick Young]

Duh...layers of aircraft grade aluminum and 30,000 feet of separation isn't enough.

This shit is fascinating to me. Who is making this shit up?
He probably made that shit up himself, or his dumbass rabbi. Why is plastic the holy protector XD

[Take Your Lumps]

I'm not sure I give a shit if someone takes Noah's Ark as literal though. I don't believe it, but they can if they want, doesn't hurt me.

But you said that a "small % of Christian loons out there that give the others a bad rep". The reality is that the majority of Americans (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/feb/16/20040216-113955-2061r/?page=all) hold loony beliefs.

If you are a Christian in America who accepts evolution as scientific fact and rejects the book of Genesis as historical fact -- every poll done on this subject suggests that you would be in the clear minority.


An ABC News poll released Sunday found that 61 percent of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible’s book of Genesis is “literally true” rather than a story meant as a “lesson.”

60 percent believe in the story of Noah’s ark and a global flood, while 64 percent agree that Moses parted the Red Sea to save fleeing Jews from their Egyptian captors.

[~primetime~]

But you said that a "small % of Christian loons out there that give the others a bad rep". The reality is that the majority of Americans (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/feb/16/20040216-113955-2061r/?page=all) hold loony beliefs.

If you are a Christian in America who accepts evolution as scientific fact and rejects the book of Genesis as historical fact -- every poll done on this subject suggests that you would be in the clear minority.
That isn't really what I meant by "loon"...I was really talking about extremists like the guy wrapped in plastic...the Christians that actually go out of their way to boycott evolution teaching, wear shirts that say "God hates F@gs" etc etc...don't accept dinosaurs, think the world is only 2,000 years old...THOSE are the small % "loons"

also it is hard for me to accept those polls because I don't know a single Christian who rejects evolution. I was taught evolution in school and as far as I know everyone I grew up with accepted it. I never witnessed someone speak up with "Evolution is a lie!!! Bible says so!!!"

Not saying those polls are wrong, just saying I have not experienced that growing up in Dallas

[Akrazotile]

Lol this guys argues semantics, demands proof, then posts a youtube video.

Today's youth :facepalm



Wait, you claimed jesus was missing from europe, then proposed theories about contact with buddhists (buddhism still 400 years from existing at that point).... And then when someone gives you a :wtf: you say "well, now youre arguing semantics n such"


:wtf:


:oldlol: ok man.

[DeuceWallaces]

Wait, you claimed jesus was missing from europe, then proposed theories about contact with buddhists (buddhism still 400 years from existing at that point).... And then when someone gives you a :wtf: you say "well, now youre arguing semantics n such"


:wtf:


:oldlol: ok man.

1) He's missing from European/Western records for many years. I'm not going over the semantics of geography in regards to what Jerusalem was called 2 thousand years ago.

2) I think you need to brush up on your eastern religions.

[Akrazotile]

1) He's missing from European/Western records for many years. I'm not going over the semantics of geography in regards to what Jerusalem was called 2 thousand years ago.

2) I think you need to brush up on your eastern religions.


I think I may have in fact misread those dates. :lol





Youre still a girl tho.

[BasedTom]

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/12/evolution2013-2.png
It looks like it mostly applies to evangelicals and southern baptists...

You're looking at a few undesirable branches and using it as reason to cut down the whole tree

[KingBeasley08]

We don't even know if Shakespeare existed. There is no proof Jesus, the one Christians refer to, ever existed. We just sort of all agree it's probable.
Shakespeare absolutely existed. Some classists deny that he actually wrote his plays but the guy was absolutely there



As for Deuces, I've never heard of that theory of Jesus chilling with Buddhists. Highly doubt that happened :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

As for Deuces, I've never heard of that theory of Jesus chilling with Buddhists. Highly doubt that happened :oldlol:

From age 12-30, there's no mention of Jesus in the NT oddly enough. So a lot of people have come up with far out ideas about what he was doing during that time. Because the teachings of Buddha and Jesus are so similar, some people think it's because he traveled to India during his adolescence-young adulthood and studied Buddhism there. I remember seeing a BBC documentary about it, they claimed that Jesus was possibly a reincarnation of Buddha and the wise men who came from the East to see him were actually Buddhist monks searching for the reborn Dalai Lama and the star was the sign of his coming.

There's a cult in India that believes Jesus survived the crucifixion and ran away to India where he lived, died, and is still buried:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCS7P-vdRM

[rufuspaul]

From age 12-30, there's no mention of Jesus in the NT oddly enough. So a lot of people have come up with far out ideas about what he was doing during that time. Because the teachings of Buddha and Jesus are so similar, some people think it's because he traveled to India during his adolescence-young adulthood and studied Buddhism there. I remember seeing a BBC documentary about it, they claimed that Jesus was possibly a reincarnation of Buddha and the wise men who came from the East to see him were actually Buddhist monks searching for the reborn Dalai Lama and the star was the sign of his coming.

There's a cult in India that believes Jesus survived the crucifixion and ran away to India where he lived, died, and is still buried:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCS7P-vdRM


Cool stuff.

[DeuceWallaces]

Shakespeare absolutely existed. Some classists deny that he actually wrote his plays but the guy was absolutely there



As for Deuces, I've never heard of that theory of Jesus chilling with Buddhists. Highly doubt that happened :oldlol:

I didn't realize you were such a theologian. There are several books on Jesus' "missing years." I'd suggest you check them out before commenting.

[KingBeasley08]

I didn't realize you were such a theologian. There are several books on Jesus' "missing years." I'd suggest you check them out before commenting.
Suppose so. Never read any scholarly claims to the contrary but interesting theories nonetheless

[outbreak]

Shakespeare absolutely existed. Some classists deny that he actually wrote his plays but the guy was absolutely there



As for Deuces, I've never heard of that theory of Jesus chilling with Buddhists. Highly doubt that happened :oldlol:

Shakespeare is pretty interesting, from the evidence around it does look a lot like someone else published those works in his name. There's a bunch of his works that are missing as well, along with some earlier works by others that we the basis of some of his plays.