Vegas sets Cavs win total at 58.5

[Kidbasketball20]

Cavaliers 58.5
Thunder 57.5
Spurs 56.5
Bulls 55.5
Clippers 55.5
Warriors 50.5
Mavericks 49.5
Raptors 49.5
Rockets 49.5


Last season, the SuperBook set the Cavs' season win total at 40.5.

[poido123]

Where's the adjustment made for early season chemistry issues?

Or do they expect the team to dominate from the get go. The Heat certainly didn't.

[RedBlackAttack]

That's way too high, but all Vegas does is reflect gambling trends. This just means a lot of people are putting a lot of money on the Cavs. It's not an actual prediction.

[RRR3]

What about the Heat? Could still win ~50 games if things go smoothly

[buddha]

i'd take the over. all though i'm too damn impatient to make a year long bet.

this Cavs team will be a much better regular season team than the Heat, especially in the East.

[Collie]

I think that's fairly accurate, maybe +/- 2 wins. 56-59 games is a lot, but not A LOT. It's the kind of win total that elite teams that aren't guaranteed champions have.

[Sakkreth]

Raptors above 49.5 is ez money.

[Cocaine80s]

Where's the adjustment made for early season chemistry issues?

Or do they expect the team to dominate from the get go. The Heat certainly didn't.
2011 heat were really shitty outside the big 3.

Not to mention Wade-Bosh-Lebron isnt as good as a fit as Irving-Lebron-Love

[Sarcastic]

Raptors above 49.5 is ez money.


In their entire history, they've never won that many games in a season before. I wouldn't call that "ez" by any stretch of the imagination.

[Legends66NBA7]

Raptors above 49.5 is ez money.

Wouldn't say it's easy, but if their healthy, it's attainable. They've got be focused out of the gate.lasdon't think they start off as badly as thet have the last few seasons.

[poido123]

2011 heat were really shitty outside the big 3.

Not to mention Wade-Bosh-Lebron isnt as good as a fit as Irving-Lebron-Love


Ok.

But when you line them up to their direct competition in the east that year?

They were expected before the season to dominate from the getgo and I think it was chemistry related.

We might still disagree on this, but I still do think Cavs will have some teething problems. There's a lot of mouths to feed. Waiters will have to swallow a bigger humble pill than before.

[RoseCity07]

I think Love is going to have injury issues and the defense will be an issue. If they were in the west that is a 50 win team with good health.

I don't think people realize how good Wade and Bosh were on both ends.

[BigTicket]

Argument for the over: The Cavs won 66 and 61 games in Lebron last two seasons with the team, and that was with a much weaker supporting cast, and Mike Brown as the coach.

Argument for the under: The Cavs only won 33 games last year, the new cast has never played together, Love and Irving have both had frequent injuries, and David Blatt has never coached an NBA game

Personally I think 58.5 is about right, could go either way.

[brantonli]

IMO even if you assume a major injury to Irving or Love, that team is still decent enough for 50-55 wins in the East as long as LeBron is healthy, so 58 wins doesn't seem very far off at all.

[bdreason]

Cavs will win 60 games out East. They're going to be an amazing regular season team. The questions will come when they play an elite defensive team in the playoffs.

[KobesFinger]

Argument for the over: The Cavs won 66 and 61 games in Lebron last two seasons with the team, and that was with a much weaker supporting cast, and Mike Brown as the coach.

Argument for the under: The Cavs only won 33 games last year, the new cast has never played together, Love and Irving have both had frequent injuries, and David Blatt has never coached an NBA game

Personally I think 58.5 is about right, could go either way.

I'd add to that

Over: The Big 3 Heat won 58 games in their first season and this Cavs team has a better bench and more well rounded team

Under: We're still yet to see how Kyrie and Love adapt to no longer being first option, plus the defence is suspect without seeing them play

[SamuraiSWISH]

I think they win 60 to 62 games. If they solidify their defense. If not, which is a big question to begin with, I see 55 being more plausible. They have a new coach too, so we'll see how things go.

[gyu]

Really surprised by raptors. What have they done over last season to justify it?

[RedBlackAttack]

Argument for the over: The Cavs won 66 and 61 games in Lebron last two seasons with the team, and that was with a much weaker supporting cast, and Mike Brown as the coach.

Argument for the under: The Cavs only won 33 games last year, the new cast has never played together, Love and Irving have both had frequent injuries, and David Blatt has never coached an NBA game

Personally I think 58.5 is about right, could go either way.
I think it is quite a lot to ask out of a team of guys and a coach who are essentially meeting each other (in basketball terms) for the first time this week. Putting the 58.5 wins in context, Miami exceeded that mark one time in their four years together (and it was in Year 3).

I actually do think this Cavs team has more talent with higher upside than any of those Heat teams had, but LeBron is also going to be 30 this year and some of the key pieces are still relative pups in the NBA (Irving is 22, Waiters/Thompson are 23).

If they approach 60 wins in their first year together, I'd be pretty surprised personally.

[Legends66NBA7]

Really surprised by raptors. What have they done over last season to justify it?

Cut the dead weight (Salmons, Novak) and added improved parts (Williams, James Johnson) to a team that was on 54-55 pace when they traded Rudy Gay. There's no reason to add much more, since they were already a solid team.

DeRozan and Valanciunas just came off the FIBA tournament and they both went 8 games deep with their respective squads. Infact, all the starters for the Raptors were playing together in the summer in California.

With a deep back court and the only concerning weakness being back up center (which isn't a problem considering you Val playing more), I don't see why they don't improve on their record unless the majority of the key players get injured.


EDIT - I don't think Masai has even finished trading more players yet either. If someone takes Fields and/or Hayes, then we are probably have a 15 man roster looking like this:

PG - Lowry/Vasquez/Cherry
SG - DeRozan/Williams/Hamilton
SF - Ross/J.Johnson/Caboclo
PF - Amir/Patterson/Hansbrough
C - Valanciunas/Stiemsma/Nogueria

That would be what my ideal choice of the roster after preseason, but we'll see what happens.

[inclinerator]

i have them winning exactly 58.5

[Paul George 24]

i have them winning exactly 58.5
and defeat by the spurs again :lol