Germany just abolished college tuition fees

[Sarcastic]

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/10/01/3574551/germany-free-college-tuition/


[QUOTE]Prospective students in the United States who can

[Lebronxrings]

:eek:

dam

[masonanddixon]

I think it's incredible but it would NEVER happen in the US.

The university system/scam is the 2nd most profitable industry in America after the defense industry.

[StephHamann]

We never paid, Merkel startet feeing Universitys in 2006 :lol

everybody hated it and now she abolished the fees like it was before.

[knickballer]

I don't see how it can happen in the US as most of the universities are private institutions. Do you think those schools can have all their fancy buildings with their fancy shit they provide to their students by making it free?

The state universities on the other hand is a different issue. I know in NY the CUNY system was free back in the day but nowadays I think the state only provides something around 20% of the school's budget. But either way it's a much cheaper option than going to a private university while getting the same education(if not better)

If you're dropping 30k a semester on tuition I don't feel bad for you at all and it's your fault you're in debt. You don't go out to the dealership to buy a benz if you work at McDonalds...

[Horde of Temujin]

But, but, but ..... its socialism

[fiddy]

But, but, but ..... its socialism
because 50 million on food stamps isnt

[senelcoolidge]

Wouldn't this help bankrupt a country as well as make a degree from these schools worthless.

[GimmeThat]

good to hear the united nation had extended its dysfunction into the european union

or you know, possibly the other way around


who knows

[poido123]

Amazing.

Governments in other countries could learn a thing or two from some of these European and Scandinavian countries.

If you ever go to Germany, it is a beautiful place and so clean.

[tpols]

You probably have to be really outstanding/smart to get into german schools.. U.S. it's a joke.. theyll let anyone with C's/B's in shitty high schools in as long theyre willing to pay.

[GimmeThat]

You probably have to be really outstanding/smart to get into german schools.. U.S. it's a joke.. theyll let anyone with C's/B's in shitty high schools in as long theyre willing to pay.


so we have concluded so far

- no minimum wage, no college tution fees because essentially your career is dependent on your natural ability/placements

- minimum wage, college tuition for people who are intellectually incapable of succeeding under the global scale so they may earn a better wage


so the unemployment fund should now be related to the college education funding?

[tpols]

so we have concluded so far

- no minimum wage, no college tution fees because essentially your career is dependent on your natural ability/placements

- minimum wage, college tuition for people who are intellectually incapable of succeeding under the global scale so they may earn a better wage


so the unemployment fund should now be related to the college education funding?

I agree.. its a scam here. Good news is, it is what you make it. With such mediocre competition anyone with some drive/goals can get something. Id imagine it'd be damn near impossible for the average U.S. student to make it in germany

[BRabbiT]

wow:lol

[Smoke117]

If only they could abolish Hitler from their history, eh? Here's a country so full of shame they will do anything to get everybody to like them. Germany stop trying so hard, bro.

[Akrazotile]

No, because college in Germany (probably most of Europe, but I only know about Germany) is only for people who qualify. So for example, after middle school in Germany you're sorted into different schools. Basically stupid school and smart school, and then the smart group can go to college if they do well enough. Where as in the US you can be a **** up for 30 years and still go to college afterwards if you want. I think most people in the US would be outraged with a system like Germany (and rightfully so IMO)


This. People here dont understand the German edu system so theyre not going to have any context for this. Theyre going to compare it apples to apples with America :facepalm

[GimmeThat]

If only they could abolish Hitler from their history, eh? Here's a country so full of shame they will do anything to get everybody to like them. Germany stop trying so hard, bro.


the possibility of accumulating more debt is getting people to like them?

are the germans paying foreigners to their school for free in order to abolish Hilter from their history now?

did I miss something?

[Smoke117]

the possibility of accumulating more debt is getting people to like them?

are the germans paying foreigners to their school for free in order to abolish Hilter from their history now?

did I miss something?

You absolutely did. You missed an awesome joke. Flew over your head bro.

[KingBeasley08]

That's nice and all but doesn't change the fact that Germany lost back to back World Wars :oldlol:
MURRICA f*ck yeah!

http://i.imgur.com/v31qI5Q.jpg

[Dresta]

You probably have to be really outstanding/smart to get into german schools.. U.S. it's a joke.. theyll let anyone with C's/B's in shitty high schools in as long theyre willing to pay.Exactly. In Germany they stream kids for higher education or for technical colleges at 14 - they separate the intelligent from the dim early on, and that's something which Americans wouldn't be willing to do any longer as the facade of 'equality' has triumphed over the desire for high standards.

There's also the fact that Germany doesn't have any first rate universities, and only has about as many 2nd rate ones as a tiny country like the Netherlands. That's hardly an example of a successful university system for a country with a rich intellectual and cultural history and over 80 million inhabitants.

[RidonKs]

Exactly. In Germany they stream kids for higher education or for technical colleges at 14 - they separate the intelligent from the dim early on, and that's something which Americans wouldn't be willing to do any longer as the facade of 'equality' has triumphed over the desire for high standards.

There's also the fact that Germany doesn't have any first rate universities, and only has about as many 2nd rate ones as a tiny country like the Netherlands. That's hardly an example of a successful university system for a country with a rich intellectual and cultural history and over 80 million inhabitants.
what evidence do you have of this technique of separating? particularly the part about separating out the r-tards from the capable.... i've never heard that about germany before pardon my ignorance.

and i thought you were extremely critical of the modern higher education system? wouldn't disdain for western universities even in general necessarily imply a disdain for whatever ranking system you're using to distinguish german and dutch 2nd rate schools from the first rate universities you're talking about; presumably the american ivy league, the british 'russell group' which i hadn't heard of til now, more in continental europe and a few smattering around the globe elsewhere? again i'm rather unfamiliar with these classifications. enlighten me if you feel so inclined.

[Dresta]

what evidence do you have of this technique of separating? particularly the part about separating out the r-tards from the capable.... i've never heard that about germany before pardon my ignorance.

and i thought you were extremely critical of the modern higher education system? wouldn't disdain for western universities even in general necessarily imply a disdain for whatever ranking system you're using to distinguish german and dutch 2nd rate schools from the first rate universities you're talking about; presumably the american ivy league, the british 'russell group' which i hadn't heard of til now, more in continental europe and a few smattering around the globe elsewhere? again i'm rather unfamiliar with these classifications. enlighten me if you feel so inclined.
The information is here, just ignore the facile argument behind the piece that countries with inflated education systems are da best:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304066504576341353566196300

If you just look up German education on wiki the information is all there as well, though more difficult to discern. The ranking systems are weak, i agree. The British Russell Group isn't really that prestigious, and it is only Oxford, Cambridge, and some of the London Universities that are in the top tier of educational establishments. Though i don't know all that much about US universities, based on reputation, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Princeton and a few others probably belong in this group. Yes, i'm critical of modern higher education systems, as i think standards in even the best Universities have slipped a long way, but that doesn't mean that some Universities still don't provide better educations than others, particularly in the sciences.

Oxford and Cambridge are two of the very few universities that have managed to maintain pretty higher standards, mainly because they exist independently, and can act according to their own interests, and in opposition to state directives. They still maintain their academic integrity, unlike the redbrick unis.

[Brunch@Five]

In Germany you have 4 (in some states 6) years of elementary school, afther which teachers give a recommendation on which of the 3 types of schools suits you best. The 1st tier is the "Gymnasium" which prepares you for university after 8 more years. "Realschule", the 2nd tier, is 6 more years in enables you to start an apprenticeship (carpenter, accountant, clerk etc.) or, if your marks are good enough, switch to Gymnasium and go to University afterwards. There is a third type of school called "Hauptschule" where basically only kids from the lower social strata go to. You've lost life in that instance.

Apart from the nonexistent tuition fees, Germany also has a pretty fair loan agency. Interest on a student loan is at 3.3% right now, so that is affordable.

[pezt]

In Germany you have 4 (in some states 6) years of elementary school, afther which teachers give a recommendation on which of the 3 types of schools suits you best. The 1st tier is the "Gymnasium" which prepares you for university after 8 more years. "Realschule", the 2nd tier, is 6 more years in enables you to start an apprenticeship (carpenter, accountant, clerk etc.) or, if your marks are good enough, switch to Gymnasium and go to University afterwards. There is a third type of school called "Hauptschule" where basically only kids from the lower social strata go to. You've lost life in that instance.

Apart from the nonexistent tuition fees, Germany also has a pretty fair loan agency. Interest on a student loan is at 3.3% right now, so that is affordable.


Well in theory these "Gymnasiums" are for smart people only but in reality the standard is so low every retard can attend these schools.
I finished Gymnasium as well with a respectable grade average without doing any homework for the last 4-5 years in school, without ever learning for any exam and basically never doing anything.
If you took a look at some of the kids I went to school with, no one would dare to call it a school for the smart.
The funniest of them were the stupid but hard working kids who started to cry and whine because they couldn't deal with all the stress of learning for exams, doing homework etc. :roll: If you can't deal with that in Gymnasium, you don't belong there, period.

It's a joke compared to college really. I study more for 1 exam in college than I ever did for all exams combined in school.

And then there's also a thing called Fachabitur which also qualifies kids to go to colleges, even when they didn't went to a Gymnasium. So it's not really that much different from the US, if you want to go to college you can, unless you are stupid as ****.




Anyway tuiton fees were only introduced 2006 until then there weren't any as well. They were abolished in most states a few years later except for 2 states.
And I of course started college in one of these 2 states when tuition fees were a thing and will finish just as they get abolished :facepalm
But it's still cheap as ****. I only paid 700€ per Semester and I also got a student loan called "Bafoeg" which gives me 422€ per month of which I only have to pay back 50% without any interest. And I can choose to pay it back however I want. All at once or 10€ per month for like 30-40 years.

I have no idea how people can afford to go to college in the US. Over 30k per year? That's ****ing crazy man.

[Dresta]

Yeah let's punish 15 year olds for not taking school seriously. They never deserve a good education.
15 year olds don't take school seriously because:
1. They don't belong there and should be doing something else.
2. They are filled with people who don't belong there so the academic standards are so low they aren't worth being taken seriously.

People used to be able to get a good education if they were smart and if they worked for it. Now almost no one gets a good education: they all get 'educated' but they never learn very much, and more importantly, rarely figure out how to learn on their own. School is school; doing school-like things out of school is of course uncool and lame (this is a modern phenomenon btw).

[Akrazotile]

Well in theory these "Gymnasiums" are for smart people only but in reality the standard is so low every retard can attend these schools.
I finished Gymnasium as well with a respectable grade average without
And then there's also a thing called Fachabitur which also qualifies kids to go to .


:cheers:

[GimmeThat]

I'd like to think that how a particular countries education system works
will end up having to relate to how work place promotion takes place


clearly, when they coincide, the country thrives
and when they don't. you face the possibility of ending up with a generation of workforce that are stuck in mediocrity.

[senelcoolidge]

No, because college in Germany (probably most of Europe, but I only know about Germany) is only for people who qualify. So for example, after middle school in Germany you're sorted into different schools. Basically stupid school and smart school, and then the smart group can go to college if they do well enough. Where as in the US you can be a **** up for 30 years and still go to college afterwards if you want. I think most people in the US would be outraged with a system like Germany (and rightfully so IMO)

Yeah, that's the only way I could see it working. If the elite students/gifted are the only ones that go to the colleges. Others can go to trade schools or no school at all. Of course you would have to rid of PC/affirmative action and the best get in regardless of who they are.