Ray Allen reportedly to sign with Cavs next week, Cavs pursuing Hibbert

[TheMarkMadsen]

A source told Tyler Spence of the RSE Network that Allen is planning on meeting with Blatt this week or early next week.

“Has already informed players he’s signing with Cavs,” he added.


Rumblings about Cavs general manager David Griffin seeking Roy Hibbert have been confirmed by several reporters.

Spence said that the Cavs are reluctant to give up Dion Waiters in a trade.

“Complications in Roy Hibbert deal are obviously salaries. Most likely a 3rd or 4th team will need to be involved if a deal is to get done,” he added. Evan Massey of InkOnIndy.com confirmed that the Pacers received a call from the Cavs and are discussing a Hibbert deal. He later confirmed that the Cavs don’t want to give up Waiters.

Apparently the Cavs may have offered Waiters, Brendan Haywood, and a first-round pick.

Would Cavs fans welcome an Allen & Hibbert for Waiters swap?

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/992701-cleveland-cavaliers-roster-rumors-and-trade-news-ray-allen-dion-waiters-roy-hibbert-lebron-james/

[J Shuttlesworth]

:applause: :applause: Finally :bowdown: How great is our Jesus?

[Lebronxrings]

this is a good step in the right direction

Irving/delly
Waiters/ray/miller
King/marion/Jones
love/TT
Hibbert/Varejao

Not bad, not bad at all :pimp:

[Cocaine80s]

:applause: for Ray


**** no for Waiters Hibbert trade

[ballinhun8]

Ray is a b*tch

[qrich]

Both are no shit deals.

[RRR3]

Why the hell would the Pacers do this?


Ray Allen is pretty much done, but he'll still add some good scoring off the bench.

[RedBlackAttack]

What the hell is this report? :oldlol:

I'm familiar with all the best Cavaliers beat writers. I've never heard of this writer or this website. And, the Hibbert thing doesn't even make any sense. First he says the Cavs didn't want to give up Waiters. Then, he says the Cavs offered Waiters, Haywood and a first round pick.

Nevermind that the salaries aren't even close to matching. :oldlol:


I'm calling bullshit.

[Paul George 24]

:applause: :applause: Finally :bowdown: How great is our Jesus?

jesus :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

Why the hell would the Pacers do this?
There is no way on god's green earth I'm giving up Waiters in any deal for Hibbert. :oldlol:

It's an absurd article. I'll need an actual source that I've heard of before I put any stock into any of this.

[bluechox2]

all of a sudden waiters gets jordan status..lol

[qrich]

Why the hell would the Pacers do this?


Ray Allen is pretty much done, but he'll still add some good scoring off the bench.

To tank, follow itu p by dumping West for a pick and Hill for one.

But really, JR Smith duex isn't the piece to rebuild with.

[RRR3]

There is no way on god's green earth I'm giving up Waiters for Hibbert. :oldlol:

It's an absurd article. I'll need an actual source that I've heard of before I put any stock into any of this.
Doesn't make sense for either team.

Cavs have a solid center in Varej

[RedBlackAttack]

all of a sudden waiters gets jordan status..lol
"Jordan status"? No.

But, he's a 23-year-old incredibly athletic scorer/playmaker whose gotten better and better over the course of his career and we haven't even seen him play on this newly made over roster.

Furthermore, it is about more than just Player A vs. Player B. It's also about Contract A vs. Contract B. Waiters is still on his very reasonable rookie deal and will be for another year, allowing us to make other roster moves while retaining his potential. Hibbert's contract is starting to look like an awful, awful deal.

And, beyond that, the contracts aren't even close to matching. This article is pure BS. He didn't even bother putting a modicum of research into it.

At least see if the salaries match, bro. :oldlol:

Hibbert - $15 million

Waiters - $4 million
Haywood - $2 million

[RedBlackAttack]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Doesn't make sense for either team.

Cavs have a solid center in Varej

[inclinerator]

hibbert sucks

[lilteapot]

lol @ the cavs if they trade ANYONE for hibbert.

[TheMarkMadsen]

"Jordan status"? No.

But, he's a 23-year-old incredibly athletic scorer/playmaker whose gotten better and better over the course of his career and we haven't even seen him play on this newly made over roster.

Furthermore, it is about more than just Player A vs. Player B. It's also about Contract A vs. Contract B. Waiters is still on his very reasonable rookie deal and will be for another year, allowing us to make other roster moves while retaining his potential. Hibbert's contract is starting to look like an awful, awful deal.

And, beyond that, the contracts aren't even close to matching. This article is pure BS. He didn't even bother putting a modicum of research into it.

At least see if the salaries match, bro. :oldlol:

Hibbert - $15 million

Waiters - $4 million
Haywood - $2 million

Jesus christ calm the hell down..

It's a fvcking article from the epoch times and you're sitting here acting like a little kid, just because you haven't heard of something, in this case the epoch times, doesn't mean it has the legitimacy of a Facebook post.

You aren't a cavs insider so stop acting like you have the final say on what is a viable rumor or not

[El Gato Negro]

Jesus christ calm the hell down..

It's a fvcking article from the epoch times and you're sitting here acting like a little kid, just because you haven't heard of something, in this case the epoch times, doesn't mean it has the legitimacy of a Facebook post.

You aren't a cavs insider so stop acting like you have the final say on what is a viable rumor or not
The salaries make zero sense, bs rumor is bs and anyone with common sense can see that. know what im sayin?

[TheMarkMadsen]

The salaries make zero sense, bs rumor is bs and anyone with common sense can see that. know what im sayin?

Ray Allen signing with the cavs makes sense, if somebody attacks the legitimacy of the source then the entire article hours be in question..

Ray Allen going to the cavs has been in the news for awhile, the Hibbert trade has been talked about for weeks as possibly happening at some point down the line (something about Hayward & 10 mill mid way into the season)

[TheMarkMadsen]

More talks of the cavs calling the pacers about Hibbert..

Chris Sheridan this time..

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/09/29/cleveland-cavaliers-trade-roy-hibbert/

And again the speculation is Haywood, Waiters and picks..

[El Gato Negro]

Ray Allen signing with the cavs makes sense, if somebody attacks the legitimacy of the source then the entire article hours be in question..

Ray Allen going to the cavs has been in the news for awhile, the Hibbert trade has been talked about for weeks as possibly happening at some point down the line (something about Hayward & 10 mill mid way into the season)
Everyone pretty much knew Allen was signing so thanks captain obvious and who the hell cares about next year when this year hasn't even started?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Everyone pretty much knew Allen was signing so thanks captain obvious and who the hell cares about next year when this year hasn't even started?

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/09/29/cleveland-cavaliers-trade-roy-hibbert/

"Who the hell cares about next year when this year hasn't started"

Check your reading comprehension ffs never said anything about next year

[HEAT111]

Jesus christ calm the hell down..

It's a fvcking article from the epoch times and you're sitting here acting like a little kid, just because you haven't heard of something, in this case the epoch times, doesn't mean it has the legitimacy of a Facebook post.

You aren't a cavs insider so stop acting like you have the final say on what is a viable rumor or not


He's just another Cavalier fan that remembers when LeBron quit in Game 5 but now that's all forgiven because they have him back.

[jzek]

NBA OK with the Cavs getting LeBron, Love, Allen, Hibbert. Meanwhile, the Lakers a few years back couldn't even get just one player (CP3) without the league c0ckblocking them!

[Cocaine80s]

Jesus christ calm the hell down..

It's a fvcking article from the epoch times and you're sitting here acting like a little kid, just because you haven't heard of something, in this case the epoch times, doesn't mean it has the legitimacy of a Facebook post.

You aren't a cavs insider so stop acting like you have the final say on what is a viable rumor or not
Mods.

[poido123]

NBA OK with the Cavs getting LeBron, Love, Allen, Hibbert. Meanwhile, the Lakers a few years back couldn't even get just one player (CP3) without the league c0ckblocking them!


It doesn't seem fair, but when the league stood in for the Pelicans franchise, the coaches could legitamately vote against such trade and it had to be honored.

In this case, Cavs are not owned by or occupied by the league. Coaches don't have a leg to stand on to veto a trade here.

At least that is my understanding of it. I could be wrong.

[poido123]

Mods.


You can disagree with the mods, but you better have a good explanation.

He's not trolling RBA, which is why other posters who have challenged mods have received bans.

[Cocaine80s]

You can disagree with the mods, but you better have a good explanation.

He's not trolling RBA, which is why other posters who have challenged mods have received bans.
i know it was a joke :lol

[poido123]

i know it was a joke :lol


Sarcasm is not easily read.

Carry on.

[RedBlackAttack]

Jesus christ calm the hell down..

It's a fvcking article from the epoch times and you're sitting here acting like a little kid, just because you haven't heard of something, in this case the epoch times, doesn't mean it has the legitimacy of a Facebook post.

You aren't a cavs insider so stop acting like you have the final say on what is a viable rumor or not
I need to "calm the hell down" after you just made that post?

Everyone was reacting as if it was a done deal, which people who may not be familiar with the Cavs' reliable beat writers probably should assume after reading that article. I was simply pointing out that, not only is the source questionable at best, the proposed trade rumor makes zero sense from a standpoint of salary.

I have no problem with people posting rumors like this on ISH, but don't get all bent out of shape when people question the source material. There's probably a good reason you haven't heard anything about this from anywhere else.

And, I am not an "insider." But, I do know some people who are insiders. So, I guess that gives me some access to insider information occasionally. I haven't heard anything about this. That doesn't mean it isn't true, but considering Amico, Llloyd and Windhorst haven't even touched on it yet tells me we should probably take it with a grain of salt.

That's all. Don't get your panties in a bunch over nothing. No one is attacking you.


More talks of the cavs calling the pacers about Hibbert..

Chris Sheridan this time..

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/09/29/cleveland-cavaliers-trade-roy-hibbert/

And again the speculation is Haywood, Waiters and picks..

No offense, but this one might be worse than the one in the OP. Isn't TSpence the guy who was trolled by a poster on Realgm a couple months ago and he ran with some wild rumor that made no sense regarding the Cavs?

I think it was Waiters, Wiggins, Thompson and a pick for Love and Barea. lol

[HylianNightmare]

Shocker

[I<3NBA]

NBA OK with the Cavs getting LeBron, Love, Allen, Hibbert. Meanwhile, the Lakers a few years back couldn't even get just one player (CP3) without the league c0ckblocking them!
there's one tiny little thing you forgot. the league owned the Hornets. so they had a say whether to trade CP3 or not. so unless the league owns any of these teams in trade talks with the Cavs, i can't see how you can possibly cry about the league not stopping any of the trades. even if they wanted to, what could they legally do?

[Droid101]

I Need Moer Help!!

[I<3NBA]

I Need Moer Help!!
everybody needs help. it's a fkn team game for christ's sakes. only idiots expect this game to be a one-man show.

[RedBlackAttack]

there's one tiny little thing you forgot. the league owned the Hornets. so they had a say whether to trade CP3 or not. so unless the league owns any of these teams in trade talks with the Cavs, i can't see how you can possibly cry about the league not stopping any of the trades. even if they wanted to, what could they legally do?
The other thing he forgot to mention is that the Cavs have constructed this roster by signing free agents and making completely fair trades... unless someone is actually going to sit here and say Minnesota made out poorly with Wiggins, Bennett and a first for a guy they were losing in a year anyway.

There have been no "dirty tricks" here. We've given up quite a lot.

[RedBlackAttack]

I Need Moer Help!!
The Cavs should continue to use every asset at their fingertips to improve the odds of winning a championship(s). And, I encourage them to do so.

Only an idiot in the front office would say...

"Well, the best player on the team now has an adequate roster around him. Let's give away all of our remaining cap space, trade pieces, trade exceptions and draft picks. We don't want this team to potentially be too good, after all. The people who don't like James will think it unfair to continue adding quality pieces, and I agree wholeheartedly with them."

[Beastmode88]

Didn't Dan Gilbert propose the Chris Paul veto and now he has potentially the most stacked team in the league? Double standards for Dan Gilbert don't apply. :facepalm

[HEAT111]

Didn't Dan Gilbert propose the Chris Paul veto and now he has potentially the most stacked team in the league? Double standards for Dan Gilbert don't apply. :facepalm


Wouldn't even matter, its not like Dwight even helped the Lakers any where. :oldlol:


Anyway, first tumbler and now this...

http://i58.tinypic.com/290r87l.jpg

[Droid101]

The other thing he forgot to mention is that the Cavs have constructed this roster by signing free agents and making completely fair trades...
Which the league stopped for the Lakers that year, even though they said they gave the Charlotte GM full control.

Look back at the trade now. If they took the Laker trade they'd be in WAY better shape. More assets, more picks, more everything.

Thanks Stern!

[Smoke117]

Which the league stopped for the Lakers that year, even though they said they gave the Charlotte GM full control.

Look back at the trade now. If they took the Laker trade they'd be in WAY better shape. More assets, more picks, more everything.

Thanks Stern!

ahahaha salty much?

[Droid101]

ahahaha salty much?
Slightly irritated that good trade for both sides was vetoed for "basketball reasons" for the first time in the history of the NBA.

[Cocaine80s]

Which the league stopped for the Lakers that year, even though they said they gave the Charlotte GM full control.

Look back at the trade now. If they took the Laker trade they'd be in WAY better shape. More assets, more picks, more everything.

Thanks Stern!
But then the clippers would have never became relevant.

Cp3 is better off on the clipps, good for the league

[El Gato Negro]

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/09/29/cleveland-cavaliers-trade-roy-hibbert/

"Who the hell cares about next year when this year hasn't started"

Check your reading comprehension ffs never said anything about next year
Are you this dumb or just trollin? haywoods contract is only worth 2 mill this year ten next year. the hibert trade isn't possible the way they suggest until next year :facepalm

[Real14]

Damn Ray Allen, I used to look up to you man. From 1996-2007. Bucks to the Sonics. He got game movie too man. I'm ashamed:facepalm

[coin24]

Lost all respect for Ray..

Cavs fans acting like wankers since bran came back what else is new:lol

[Smoke117]

Damn Ray Allen, I used to look up to you man. From 1996-2007. Bucks to the Sonics. He got game movie too man. I'm ashamed:facepalm

He's back. :applause: Awesome. Hilarity survives.

[ILLsmak]

Can't believe Larry Bird would let Hibbert go to Miami no matter what.

-Smak

[Real14]

He's back. :applause: Awesome. Hilarity survives.
:cheers:

[Cold soul]

This ring chaser should retire already. The sad thing is I used to look up to him in his early days with the Sonics, Bucks, and later Celtics days, but then he went to Heat most hated rival of Celtics. I lost a lot of respect for Ray Allen after that.

[Cocaine80s]

This ring chaser should retire already. The sad thing is I used to look up to him in his early days with the Sonics, Bucks, and later Celtics days, but then he went to Heat most hated rival of Celtics. I lost a lot of respect for Ray Allen after that.
Pretty sure the most hated rivals of the Celtics are the Lakers

[Cold soul]

Pretty sure the most hated rivals of the Celtics are the Lakers

Okay all-time sure easily, but during 3-4 year span when both teams played each other numerous times in playoffs I don't think so. Trust me I know all about Laker/Celtic rivarly. Heck, even Lebron said his biggest rivarly were the Celtics kinda like before MJ title runs it was bad boy Pistons that stood in his way getting over the hump same for Lebron but it was against the Celtics while playing for the Miami Heat.

[Kblaze8855]

There is no way on god's green earth I'm giving up Waiters in any deal for Hibbert.

Even though Hibbert didn't have a good year(understatement....I know) hes exactly the type of player that makes sense for a team like the Cavs. Easily more sense than an on the ball scorer about to play with two of the more ball dominant guys in the NBA....with a 26ppg power forward added to the mix.

Dion makes sense in the Vinnie Johnson role more than the Andrew Toney role. Him starting feels like a bit of a waste. Manu in his prime would probably come off he bench on this team just for balance.

Now if he has personality issues that make him hesitant to accept such a role...different story.

But this team is just crying out for a strong defensive 2 guard who doesn't need the ball....has a jumper....and will go all out for 26 minutes a night.

If the Cavs had a Raja Bell with Ray off the bench....and Hibbert?

Id be more afraid of them than I am now.

None of Hibberts deficiencies would matter on the Cavs. With Love, Andy, Tristian, and Lebron you don't need him to rebound....you don't need him to score....

Just shut down the lane for 24 minutes.

Roy Hibbert in 2006 Zo mode....all out for 20-25 minutes fouls be damned...

That's trouble in the playoffs.

Dion is a good player...but as a fan of your likely biggest threat this year I can tell you....im not afraid of his impact in the playoffs.

The talent of his teammates will marginalize his impact to some extent.

Hibbert in the lane when Rose is driving.....concern.

Dion can score 24 in a close game and have people quote this trying to clown me....but fact is im not worried about his now and then 24. If he doesn't score those points Kyrie, Lebron, or Love will.

Nobody on that team is gonna make a slasher hesitate on a big possession.

Granted...Andy can rotate and flop with the best of them....but that's a dangerous game to play against a superstar guard/swingman with 40 seconds left in game 6.

[qrich]

I guess Cav fans aren't able to comprehend a full article before spewing bull, but then again, what do you expect from a franchise who has fans that believe they can get the DeAndre for a TPE.

[Cocaine80s]

I guess Cav fans aren't able to comprehend a full article before spewing bull, but then again, what do you expect from a franchise who has fans that believe they can get the DeAndre for a TPE.
literally seen you post this 10+ times. where is this coming from?

[qrich]

Bogans thread


The Cavs actually could use these two contracts for Roy Hibbert next season if they were so inclined and the Pacers wanted to cut ties. His player option is just under $16 million.

Larry Sanders is another option at $11 million next season. If the Bucks wanted more than just an expirer, this would allow us to absorb more of their salary.


Hell, maybe even a guy like DeAndre Jordan in some kind of S&T?

So many potential options now. Amazing job by the front office.

[ArbitraryWater]

No ****ing way... Waiters is worth much more.

I'm not particularly interested in either of the 2.. Especially Allen who's done.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Doesn't make sense for either team.

Cavs have a solid center in Varej

[ArbitraryWater]

Jesus christ calm the hell down..

It's a fvcking article from the epoch times and you're sitting here acting like a little kid, just because you haven't heard of something, in this case the epoch times, doesn't mean it has the legitimacy of a Facebook post.

You aren't a cavs insider so stop acting like you have the final say on what is a viable rumor or not

Why are you getting so mad at his post?

Ffs calm the hell down man :wtf:

[ArbitraryWater]

I Need Moer Help!!

Yes, LeBron should definitely try to win a title with the least help possible... THAT'S what should be on his mind right now..

Screw everyone. Get Waiters, Irving, AND Love out of here, so he can win a title with less help and please the likes of Droid101...

Who cares about the team, and it's goal to build the best possible roster in order to win the title? Nah, that isn't what Basketball is about... Basketball is about LeBron needing to be surrounded by mediocre talent so he can try to win with that...






Droid101, Ladies and Gentlemen.

[Trollsmasher]

why would they sign Allen?:facepalm

he is done, but his name alone demands undeserved playing time

[andremiller07]

Ray Allen has lost all my respect, pathetic Lebron's lap dog all he is.

[2swift4u]

I have a lot of respect for Ray Allen but I don't think the Cavs need him. Ray is a liability on denfense by now and he had several stretches last year when his 3 point shot was totally off. The Cavs got Miller so they're good.

[poido123]

No ****ing way... Waiters is worth much more.

I'm not particularly interested in either of the 2.. Especially Allen who's done.



Still haven't gotten the memo? Hibbert's D is mediocre also.. Just a slow giant.


Still pretending to care about the Cavs movements I see :applause:

Now, if only you were an actual Cavs fan...:coleman:

[poido123]

Ray Allen has lost all my respect, pathetic Lebron's lap dog all he is.


Allen at this stage of his career wants to be playing with championship teams. Money isn't an issue.

What would you do? Would you go and play with a random team and likely not win a championship?

Or would you go and play for a team with some of your old buddies and likely favourite to win a championship.

I think you and I know the answer.

As a Bulls fan, I was disappointed that he didn't choose us, but hey he made the right decision for him.

[3ball]

i can honestly say that if lebron doesn't win the championship IN YEAR ONE LIKE GARNETT, he sucks...

no exceptions... no excuses... his team is STACKED... easily the best talent in the league and it's not close at all.

what a spoiled lame... i don't respect his career compared to other all-time greats.

and i can't give props to the nba version of a trust fund baby that still underachieves.

[ballup]

Don't think the Hibbert trade happens, but the Cavs can make the salaries match with Andy V. Question are if the Cavs are willing to give up Waiters and/or TT and if the Pacers are willing to part ways with Hibbert along with if they are willing to settle for less than a steal.

Andy V isn't injury prone to one area to the body, but he sure did miss large season chunks multiple times. Cavs want to win now and have to assess the risk of Andy V playing and Hibbert playing productively again. Hibbert has hinted that he'd like some touches every game, so there's that possible issue too.

[BigTicket]

Honestly, I don't really want Hibbert on the Cavs, I never liked his game.

Ray Allen would be nice, but not really needed.

The player I hope the Cavs sign is Emeka Okafor. He would be a solid roleplayer off the bench, at the position the Cavs need most.

[toneloc103]

Even though Hibbert didn't have a good year(understatement....I know) hes exactly the type of player that makes sense for a team like the Cavs. Easily more sense than an on the ball scorer about to play with two of the more ball dominant guys in the NBA....with a 26ppg power forward added to the mix.

Dion makes sense in the Vinnie Johnson role more than the Andrew Toney role. Him starting feels like a bit of a waste. Manu in his prime would probably come off he bench on this team just for balance.

Now if he has personality issues that make him hesitant to accept such a role...different story.

But this team is just crying out for a strong defensive 2 guard who doesn't need the ball....has a jumper....and will go all out for 26 minutes a night.

If the Cavs had a Raja Bell with Ray off the bench....and Hibbert?

Id be more afraid of them than I am now.

None of Hibberts deficiencies would matter on the Cavs. With Love, Andy, Tristian, and Lebron you don't need him to rebound....you don't need him to score....

Just shut down the lane for 24 minutes.

Roy Hibbert in 2006 Zo mode....all out for 20-25 minutes fouls be damned...

That's trouble in the playoffs.

Dion is a good player...but as a fan of your likely biggest threat this year I can tell you....im not afraid of his impact in the playoffs.

The talent of his teammates will marginalize his impact to some extent.

Hibbert in the lane when Rose is driving.....concern.

Dion can score 24 in a close game and have people quote this trying to clown me....but fact is im not worried about his now and then 24. If he doesn't score those points Kyrie, Lebron, or Love will.

Nobody on that team is gonna make a slasher hesitate on a big possession.

Granted...Andy can rotate and flop with the best of them....but that's a dangerous game to play against a superstar guard/swingman with 40 seconds left in game 6.


Co-sign and this is what I have been saying all along... I wish we could have given up Dion in the Love deal and got Deing back in return...

[JT123]

why would they sign Allen?:facepalm

he is done, but his name alone demands undeserved playing time
This is why I'm torn on the Cavs signing him. On one hand is there any other guy you would want shooting a 3 late in a playoff game? On the other hand he was pretty bad for huge stretches last season, so much so that I thought Spo should have benched him for a few games. If the Cavs do sign Ray hopefully the coach has more balls than Spo, and won't give Allen playing time based on name recognition alone.

[fragokota]

Even though Hibbert didn't have a good year(understatement....I know) hes exactly the type of player that makes sense for a team like the Cavs. Easily more sense than an on the ball scorer about to play with two of the more ball dominant guys in the NBA....with a 26ppg power forward added to the mix.

Dion makes sense in the Vinnie Johnson role more than the Andrew Toney role. Him starting feels like a bit of a waste. Manu in his prime would probably come off he bench on this team just for balance.

Now if he has personality issues that make him hesitant to accept such a role...different story.

But this team is just crying out for a strong defensive 2 guard who doesn't need the ball....has a jumper....and will go all out for 26 minutes a night.

If the Cavs had a Raja Bell with Ray off the bench....and Hibbert?

Id be more afraid of them than I am now.

None of Hibberts deficiencies would matter on the Cavs. With Love, Andy, Tristian, and Lebron you don't need him to rebound....you don't need him to score....

Just shut down the lane for 24 minutes.

Roy Hibbert in 2006 Zo mode....all out for 20-25 minutes fouls be damned...

That's trouble in the playoffs.

Dion is a good player...but as a fan of your likely biggest threat this year I can tell you....im not afraid of his impact in the playoffs.

The talent of his teammates will marginalize his impact to some extent.

Hibbert in the lane when Rose is driving.....concern.

Dion can score 24 in a close game and have people quote this trying to clown me....but fact is im not worried about his now and then 24. If he doesn't score those points Kyrie, Lebron, or Love will.

Nobody on that team is gonna make a slasher hesitate on a big possession.

Granted...Andy can rotate and flop with the best of them....but that's a dangerous game to play against a superstar guard/swingman with 40 seconds left in game 6.

Agreed. Hibbert would make them truly scary as a team, he's the type of player they need as a rim protector. Also as you suggested a defensive 2 guard instead of Waiters would also make them better overall. They are too good offensively anyways and Waiters won't help them much. If they had a guy like say A. Bradley on the perimeter and a rim protector like Hibbert, i don't see how they could lose the championship.

[unbreakable]

more help for Lebron... big surprise LMAO

dude literally needs an all star team to win. unheard of .

[secund2nun]

Waiters for Hibbert would be a steal for the cavs. Fans who don't understand the game of bball and are obsessed with empty volume scoring wing players won't understand. The cavs would be unstoppable if they had Hibbert.