An Iman teaches his students how to behead a person

[Jet]

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/leaked-video-of-imam-teaching-muslims-how-to-cut-off-heads/

Notice how he revels at the mere thought of slicing someone's head off. He even teaches them to do it slowly and enjoy the moment. Sick ass people.

#religionofpeace #notallmuslims

[Smook A.]

If he talks about that shit I don't really consider him Muslim then. I got a lot of Muslim friends from college days and they never talk about that stuff. I asked them how they felt about Al-Qaeda and all the extremists. They said those guys deserve to be dead. Some people judge a whole religion from a group of shitty people.

There are extremists and then there are Muslim people. I'm not even Muslim and I see that. To say that all Muslims are bad people is totally wrong.

[pauk]

To call that terrorist "Imam" or even a muslim is only what you would (people who know nothing about islam) and those terrorists would....

If you had some type of knowledge about Islam then even by just reading that article & seeing:

"the Prophet said “Allah wrote everything we need to know about Ihsan (kindness) so if you kill perfect your killing and if you slaughter, perfect your slaughter and sharpen your blade and comfort your sacrifice” (also see Hadith Muslim 107/13)"

You would know its in the context of ONLY talking about permissable "Kurban" / Animal slaughter....

You would also see the word "Ihsan" mentioned there, go ahead and look up what that means.... your view will change on who is and who isnt a muslim, i can guarantee you..... while at it, please go look up "jihad" aswell, you will learn there also that it actually means the opposite of what you think (and what those terrorists think)......

...or you can just go TL;DR, avoid it and continue to learn what Islam is only from those lunatics & your media and continue be the douchebag you are..... your choice :)

[Godzuki]

[QUOTE=pauk]To call that terrorist "Imam" or even a muslim is only what you would (people who know nothing about islam) and those terrorists would....

If you had some type of knowledge about Islam then even by just reading that article & seeing:

[I]"the Prophet said

[MadeFromDust]

If he talks about that shit I don't really consider him Muslim then. I got a lot of Muslim friends from college days and they never talk about that stuff. I asked them how they felt about Al-Qaeda and all the extremists. They said those guys deserve to be dead. Some people judge a whole religion from a group of shitty people.

There are extremists and then there are Muslim people. I'm not even Muslim and I see that. To say that all Muslims are bad people is totally wrong.
#NotAllMoslems #MoslemApology

[ThePhantomCreep]

#NotAllMoslems #MoslemApology

^ Pitiful reply to a spot on post.

[qrich]

A Christian preacher convinced a mother that her children were guaranteed a ticket to hell, leading to the mother killing all five of them, aged 6 months to 7 years.

[pauk]

Godzuki, exactly.... resisting, opposing.... but specifically what?

Jihad in arabic means strive / struggle, in Islam/Koran it specifically portrays what that is and what its not, it is a religious duty for Muslims, in Islam, jihad means self-examination and the resistance against temptation and the forbidden (haram), with the ambition to be as benovelent as possible and follow the religion (Islam).

Its about Ihsan, its about striving to be as good human being as humanly possible... which includes behaviour towards OTHERS (from any race/culture/religion)..... to stray away from anything associated bad for you & others.....

...its as literal as that and what are those temptations (very easy one for you to know, it starts with alcohol... its logical what is & whats not a temptation, like say a titty bar lol)..

and what is forbidden (haram)? Guess what.... beheading, killing other innocent human beings and especially KILLING YOURSELF.... is lets just say..... haram.... infact doing so makes you a KAFIR and sends you straight to hell....

...and what is Kafir? The term refers to a person who rejects God in Islam or who hides, denies, or indoctrinates the "Islamic version of truth." .....and thats what those for example ISIS "caliphates" are doing according to the entire book itself....

Personally i dont care for religion much, im agnostic........ but i do have enough knowledge to know Islam is beautiful, Christianity is beautiful, Judaism is beautiful..... THEN ITS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITSELF........... nothing wrong with those religions, but there is everything wrong with humans.... Stop blaming religion, whatever happened to just CRAZY????????? CAN A GUY NOT BE CRAZY ANYMORE?????

[Nick Young]

Religion of peace doe, amirite?

[senelcoolidge]

A Christian preacher convinced a mother that her children were guaranteed a ticket to hell, leading to the mother killing all five of them, aged 6 months to 7 years.

You have incidents of Muslim violence over and over and over all over the world and you have to bring up isolated cases of so called Christian nutcases to make your point. Come on now.

[Patrick Chewing]

You have incidents of Muslim violence over and over and over all over the world and you have to bring up isolated cases of so called Christian nutcases to make your point. Come on now.


Because to idiots like him, both atrocities are on equal footing. In their mind:


1 incident of a Christian atrocity that happened within the last 500 years is = 20 beheadings within the last week.

[Droid101]

Because to idiots like him, both atrocities are on equal footing. In their mind:

Isolated?

Indoctrinated Christians in Africa are killing people for being gay every day.

People who are indoctrinated into religion and uneducated tend to get stupid and violent. :confusedshrug:

[DeuceWallaces]

Hi 9er.

[imdaman99]

It is a religion of peace with misguided dictator rulers that seize the opportunity to brainwash ignorant uneducated mobs. I have grown up going to Sunday school when I was young and had great teachers promoting peace. That is an opportunity most of the idiots misrepresenting the religion out on the other side of the world have not had.

I appreciate people of all colors, of all faiths. I have not grown up hating any specific religion as I have been taught by proper educated teachers as a kid. I appreciate living in this country because it has afforded me the opportunity to be taught like a human is supposed to be taught, without bias. Which is not to say there aren't idiots in 1st world countries, because there are.

#IDreamOfPeace #NotAllMuslims indeed

[Brizzly]

[QUOTE=pauk]To call that terrorist "Imam" or even a muslim is only what you would (people who know nothing about islam) and those terrorists would....

If you had some type of knowledge about Islam then even by just reading that article & seeing:

[I]"the Prophet said

[Patrick Chewing]

It is a religion of peace with misguided dictator rulers that seize the opportunity to brainwash ignorant uneducated mobs. I have grown up going to Sunday school when I was young and had great teachers promoting peace. That is an opportunity most of the idiots misrepresenting the religion out on the other side of the world have not had.

I appreciate people of all colors, of all faiths. I have not grown up hating any specific religion as I have been taught by proper educated teachers as a kid. I appreciate living in this country because it has afforded me the opportunity to be taught like a human is supposed to be taught, without bias. Which is not to say there aren't idiots in 1st world countries, because there are.

#IDreamOfPeace #NotAllMuslims indeed


Do you deny there are violent passages in the Quran?

Do you deny that groups like ISIS are trying to follow "true" Islam by following the instructions of the Quran?

Do you deny that Mohammed sanctioned beheadings of Jews and other non-Muslims?

And please do not retort with the tired and overused "All religious textbooks have violence in them."

[DeuceWallaces]

And please do not retort with the tired and overused "All religious textbooks have violence in them."

Uh, but they do. You should never tire of the truth.

[Patrick Chewing]

Uh, but they do. You should never tire of the truth.


So this excuses terrorist activities and beheadings?


I'm just trying to understand why there are so many people in denial that there is a serious problem with Islam throughout the world.

[sweggeh]

Uh, but they do. You should never tire of the truth.

A Jew or a Christian shouldnt be saying shit about the violent passages in Islam. Hypocrisy at his finest.

[sweggeh]

So this excuses terrorist activities and beheadings?


I'm just trying to understand why there are so many people in denial that there is a serious problem with Islam throughout the world.

Thats not an Islam problem though, those are problems of individuals.

If violence in Judaism and Christianity is not a problem then why is it in Islam?

The problem are the minority who act on it. Attacking Islam for having violence in it coming from a ****in Jew is enough to make me piss myself with laughter.

[Patrick Chewing]

Thats not an Islam problem though, those are problems of individuals.

If violence in Judaism and Christianity is not a problem then why is it in Islam?

The problem are the minority who act on it. Attacking Islam for having violence in it coming from a ****in Jew is enough to make me piss myself with laughter.


You're obviously an ignorant bigot, so **** you.

You're also a fool if you think terrorism and the millions that have died in the name of Islam is an "individual" problem. Muslims kill plenty of each other too don't you forget.

And violence in Judaism and Christianity is near non-existent when compared to the violence in Islam.

[sweggeh]

You're obviously an ignorant bigot, so **** you.

You're also a fool if you think terrorism and the millions that have died in the name of Islam is an "individual" problem. Muslims kill plenty of each other too don't you forget.

And violence in Judaism and Christianity is near non-existent when compared to the violence in Islam.

Nope. The level of violence in the Bible, Torah and Quran is pretty much the same.

99% of Muslims ignore it. Some dont and they get punished eventually. So how is that the Qurans fault exactly? I mean if the Bible and Torah are allowed then its extremely hypocritical to start talking about violence in the Quran.

[Patrick Chewing]

Nope. The level of violence in the Bible, Torah and Quran is pretty much the same.

99% of Muslims ignore it. Some dont and they get punished eventually. So how is that the Qurans fault exactly? I mean if the Bible and Torah are allowed then its extremely hypocritical to start talking about violence in the Quran.


:facepalm

[sweggeh]

:facepalm

Another one bites the dust :applause: :banana:

[KyrieTheFuture]

I swear to god people just forget the Catholic church is basically the worlds largest child sex ring

[Patrick Chewing]

Another one bites the dust :applause: :banana:


You're an obvious troll based on all your threads, but I'll educate you some more.


Yes, there is violence written in all the religious texts, but no one religion takes it to the extent that Islam has and currently does. Period.

[sweggeh]

You're an obvious troll based on all your threads, but I'll educate you some more.


Yes, there is violence written in all the religious texts, but no one religion takes it to the extent that Islam has and currently does. Period.

And again you are wrong. The Quran does not anymore violence in it than the Bible or Torah. Why exactly are you trying to deny this?

[DonDadda59]

You're an obvious troll based on all your threads, but I'll educate you some more.


Yes, there is violence written in all the religious texts, but no one religion takes it to the extent that Islam has and currently does. Period.

Currently? Maybe. All time? Christianity is the grand daddy of zealot violence.

[NumberSix]

Currently? Maybe. All time? Christianity is the grand daddy of zealot violence.
Based what exactly?

[bluechox2]

so what are our muslim brothers and sisters doing to counter these extremists which all of yall love to exclude? nothing

[Patrick Chewing]

I hope he doesn't say the Crusades lol.


As if the Crusades were unwarranted for some reason lol.

[sweggeh]

Based what exactly?

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/04/Sick-Laugh-GIF.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

so what are our muslim brothers and sisters doing to counter these extremists which all of yall love to exclude? nothing


That's just "individual" violence and crime. Like when a mugger steals an old lady's purse. Just one guy and extremely isolated.

[Trollsmasher]

http://i.imgur.com/9uCHvvn.jpg

[DeuceWallaces]

You're an obvious troll based on all your threads, but I'll educate you some more.


Yes, there is violence written in all the religious texts, but no one religion takes it to the extent that Islam has and currently does. Period.

Lol, I don't think you've educated anyone. You're just equating all terrorism with Islam when clearly it's an extraordinarily small subset of disturbed people.

Islam does not preach and encourage violence more than any other religion, despite the fact they have a bunch of nut-cases trying to kill people.

[Nick Young]

Lol, I don't think you've educated anyone. You're just equating all terrorism with Islam when clearly it's an extraordinarily small subset of disturbed people.

Islam does not preach and encourage violence more than any other religion, despite the fact they have a bunch of nut-cases trying to kill people.
I lived in Egypt and the Imams would preach from the minarets atleast 3 times a day, screaming angrily about wishing death to the Jews, death to America etc etc

This was in Cairo, under the "moderate" dictator Mubarak.

[sweggeh]

I lived in Egypt and the Imams would preach from the minarets atleast 3 times a day, screaming angrily about wishing death to the Jews, death to America etc etc

This was in Cairo, under the "moderate" dictator Mubarak.

I can only think you are lying because I have an Egyptian class mate who was born and raised in Cairo and tells me about how much people hate the terrorists who threaten the whole Muslim world.

Its funny how you always have a random story about somewhere random you have been that is ready to back up every point you make about Islam.

[LJJ]

I can only think you are lying because I have an Egyptian class mate who was born and raised in Cairo and tells me about how much people hate the terrorists who threaten the whole Muslim world.

Its funny how you always have a random story about somewhere random you have been that is ready to back up every point you make about Islam.

The Egyptians voted extremist Islamists who are not even that much better than IS into power not even two years ago. Democratically. Who are you kidding?

[DonDadda59]

Based what exactly?

Based God, that's what.

[Droid101]

I swear to god people just forget the Catholic church is basically the worlds largest child sex ring
Those people aren't brown enough to focus hate on.

[Nick Young]

I can only think you are lying because I have an Egyptian class mate who was born and raised in Cairo and tells me about how much people hate the terrorists who threaten the whole Muslim world.

Its funny how you always have a random story about somewhere random you have been that is ready to back up every point you make about Islam.
I lived in Cairo for 2 years in highschool.

I experienced that shit every day, the Imams started screaming from their megaphones at 5AM. At first it was scary, then I got used to it, then I started learning Arabic, and then it got scary again because I started to understand what the Imams were saying.

ALSO-this was in western parts of the city called Maadi and Zamalek, I can't imagine what shit is said in the more "Egyptian" parts of the city.

Egypt now are voting some hardcore Muslim Brotherhood fundamentalists in to power, it seems like the Imam minaret brainwashing worked.

[NumberSix]

Those people aren't brown enough to focus hate on.
You notice swarms of people didn't come in screaming "those molestations had nothing to do with the church! They're isolated incidents"?

[Nick Young]

Those people aren't brown enough to focus hate on.
Catholicism is a religion, not a race. Catholicism is followed by members of every race on the planet, from Koreans to White people, to Kenyans to Venezuelans.

Catholicism received plenty of hate for the child abuse ring in the clergy, where you been dawg?

[Droid101]

You notice swarms of people didn't come in screaming "those molestations had nothing to do with the church! They're isolated incidents"?
Because it's not the topic-du-jour these days.

Back when it was in the forefront, every Catholic person was going around saying "It's not the religion! Those are just bad individuals" all the damn time.

[Godzuki]

where in the bible does it preach violence? i can't think of one passage. the whole lesson is about being a pooseee. to always turn the other cheek. to not hate, alwyas forgive. love thy neighbor. Jesus went thru so much crap in Bible literature, and took it always preaching love.


and we're talking relatively speaking, NO RELIGION is the issues of muslim extremists of today. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 'all religions doing this or thaat' my ass :facepalm its always these lame, inapplicable to today copout excuses from mf'ers here who can never be real. there is definitely something wrong with the religion these days and/or how its taught. even Iran polices shit according to Islam across the world...and they're the lesser crazy ones. Boko Haram, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc. etc. even the Chechnyan rebels are fukkin nuts. all Islamic groups. all doing the most fukked up shit of anybody in the world. do the math idiots.

[NumberSix]

I lived in Cairo for 2 years in highschool.

I experienced that shit every day, the Imams started screaming from their megaphones at 5AM. At first it was scary, then I got used to it, then I started learning Arabic, and then it got scary again because I started to understand what the Imams were saying.

ALSO-this was in western parts of the city called Maadi and Zamalek, I can't imagine what shit is said in the more "Egyptian" parts of the city.

Egypt now are voting some hardcore Muslim Brotherhood fundamentalists in to power, it seems like the Imam minaret brainwashing worked.
Do people actually not know how insane Egypt is? I mean, this is a country where 91% of women are genitally mutilated. I know the American Christians are jerks for not wanting contraceptives insured, but let's have some perspective here.

[sweggeh]

where in the bible does it preach violence? i can't think of one passage. the whole lesson is about being a pooseee. to always turn the other cheek. to not hate, alwyas forgive. love thy neighbor. Jesus went thru so much crap in Bible literature, and took it always preaching love.


and we're talking relatively speaking, NO RELIGION is the issues of muslim extremists of today. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 'all religions doing this or thaat' my ass :facepalm its always these lame, inapplicable to today copout excuses from mf'ers here who can never be real. there is definitely something wrong with the religion these days and/or how its taught. even Iran polices shit according to Islam across the world...and they're the lesser crazy ones. Boko Haram, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc. etc. even the Chechnyan rebels are fukkin nuts. all Islamic groups. all doing the most fukked up shit of anybody in the world. do the math idiots.

You are already deemed useless in this discussion.

[Nick Young]

Do people actually not know how insane Egypt is? I mean, this is a country where 91% of women are genitally mutilated. I know the American Christians are jerks for not wanting contraceptives insured, but let's have some perspective here.
Egypt was considered one of the most moderate progressive Muslim countries in the Middle East (some people don't consider Egypt Middle East) when I was there and it was backwards as shit, even more backwards now from what I read and hear.

[LJJ]

Because it's not the topic-du-jour these days.

Back when it was in the forefront, every Catholic person was going around saying "It's not the religion! Those are just bad individuals" all the damn time.

Catholic priests aren't really referring to the bible as a justification to rape little boys. It's not their divine mission to rape.

[NumberSix]

where in the bible does it preach violence? i can't think of one passage. the whole lesson is about being a pooseee. to always turn the other cheek. to not hate, alwyas forgive. love thy neighbor. Jesus went thru so much crap in Bible literature, and took it always preaching love.


and we're talking relatively speaking, NO RELIGION is the issues of muslim extremists of today. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 'all religions doing this or thaat' my ass :facepalm its always these lame, inapplicable to today copout excuses from mf'ers here who can never be real. there is definitely something wrong with the religion these days and/or how its taught. even Iran polices shit according to Islam across the world...and they're the lesser crazy ones. Boko Haram, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc. etc. even the Chechnyan rebels are fukkin nuts. all Islamic groups. all doing the most fukked up shit of anybody in the world. do the math idiots.
Ok, let's not be ridiculous here. The old testament explicitly says to take a woman to the city gates and stone her to death to punish adultery. The old testament is easily the most violent of all.

[Godzuki]

You are already deemed useless in this discussion.


quote something dumbass. all of you just yap generalized shit, while mf'ers are actually putting up and posting Quran excerpts. now post some Bible excerpts preaching violence from the Bible fool :facepalm

so many retard muslim apologists here, who can't own up to the reality of today. its so obvious most of u mf'ers can't keep shit real. sad.

[Godzuki]

Ok, let's not be ridiculous here. The old testament explicitly says to take a woman to the city gates and stone her to death to punish adultery. The old testament is easily the most violent of all.


well that is not killing and beheading mf'ers for being non believers. i'll 100% admit the Bible is sexist, but there is a difference between that and outright violence towards non believers or others. everything ancient times was sexist, hell, shit back in the 60's-70's were a lot mroe sexist than the political correctness of today.

still not the same thing as those muslim excerpts posted....whhich is probably why there are so many muslim hardliners actually doing those things, and so few Christians doing those sort of things.

[Patrick Chewing]

Catholic priests aren't really referring to the bible as a justification to rape little boys. It's not their divine mission to rape.


It's useless. Muslim apologists cannot tell the difference. They are convinced that the millions of radical Muslims out there are all "clinically insane" and all at the same time!

[Droid101]

Catholic priests aren't really referring to the bible as a justification to rape little boys. It's not their divine mission to rape.
You're... you're being serious?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/12/catholic-priest-allegedly-told-child-he-was-raping-that-this-is-what-gods-love-feels-like/

[Droid101]

It's useless. Muslim apologists cannot tell the difference. They are convinced that the millions of radical Muslims out there are all "clinically insane" and all at the same time!
Not one person has said that.

[Droid101]

well that is not killing and beheading mf'ers for being non believers. i'll 100% admit the Bible is sexist, but there is a difference between that and outright violence towards non believers or others. everything ancient times was sexist, hell, shit back in the 60's-70's were a lot mroe sexist than the political correctness of today.

still not the same thing as those muslim excerpts posted....whhich is probably why there are so many muslim hardliners actually doing those things, and so few Christians doing those sort of things.
You're kidding right? God literally murders everyone on the earth at one point in time for being non believers. Kills everyone in a city because they're "bad."

Honestly, you are the one who hasn't read the source material here.

[Patrick Chewing]

Not one person has said that.


Tell that to pauk or the other European Muslims on here. They've said it multiple times and classify extremism within that religion as isolated incidents.

[LJJ]

You're... you're being serious?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/12/catholic-priest-allegedly-told-child-he-was-raping-that-this-is-what-gods-love-feels-like/

“He would rape me and then say this is what God’s love feels like.”

I am serious. Does it say in the bible it's okay to rape little boys? Catholic doctrine has a pretty clear consensus on the matter.

Now I also think that celibacy and the cult like tendencies in Catholicism encourage priests to fall into this type of behavior. But that's a sidebar to this discussion.

But what are we talking about here? IS probably raped more in the past week than all Catholic priests put together in the last 50 years. In addition to executing thousands of civilians. No one says other religions are perfect and Islam is pure evil, certainly not me. But we can identify, objectively and factually, a discrepancy between the way in which and how many times Islam is used as a justification for violence compared to other religions.

[Godzuki]

You're kidding right? God literally murders everyone on the earth at one point in time for being non believers. Kills everyone in a city because they're "bad."

Honestly, you are the one who hasn't read the source material here.


God does it, he doesn't preach his followers or believers to do it. he destroyed the city of Babylon for being sinners i believe. he didn't tell all of his followers to go into a frenzy and kill all of them. he punished sin, but he's not preaching that to his believers.

i'm not even Christian, but there is a OBVIOUS difference between what Christianity is preaching that you're tryibng to twist into what those Islam excerpts preach which are MUCH worse. to me Christian God doesn't even make that much sense but i emphasize at least he's not preaching for others to kill non believers and crap like that. he punishes them himself.

and don't even get me started on y'all mf'ers trying to cite catholic pedo's. its such a godawful parallel i didn't even bother responding for how retarded the idea they're a intentional pedo organization, like Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc. are muslim organizations. yeah sure they're the same :facepalm

[Droid101]

I am serious. Does it say in the bible it's okay to rape little boys? Catholic doctrine has a pretty clear consensus on the matter.

Now I also think that celibacy and the cult like tendencies in Catholicism encourage priests to fall into this type of behavior. But that's a sidebar to this discussion.

But what are we talking about here? IS probably raped more in the past week than all Catholic priests put together in the last 50 years. In addition to executing thousands of civilians. No one says other religions are perfect and Islam is pure evil, certainly not me. But we can identify, objectively and factually, a discrepancy between the way in which and how many times Islam is used as a justification for violence compared to other religions.
The last 50 years? Sure.

But every religion has had its members commit terrible acts in its name throughout history, Christianity in particular a very long time ago. Instead of ignoring that, why not see what changed, and then try to apply that to current Muslim extremists?

[sweggeh]

I am serious. Does it say in the bible it's okay to rape little boys? Catholic doctrine has a pretty clear consensus on the matter.

Now I also think that celibacy and the cult like tendencies in Catholicism encourage priests to fall into this type of behavior. But that's a sidebar to this discussion.

But what are we talking about here? IS probably raped more in the past week than all Catholic priests put together in the last 50 years. No one says other religions are perfect and Islam is pure evil, certainly not me. But we can identify, objectively and factually, a discrepancy between the way in which and how many times Islam is used as a justification for violence compared to other religions.

The Quran says you arent allowed to have sex outside marriage. ISIS have been raping women all across Iraq and Syria. The Quran says you arent allowed to kill yourself. Terrorists have been blowing themselves up. These guys arent Muslims, they are taking their shit to a new level and playing by their own rules.

[Droid101]

God does it, he doesn't preach his followers or believers to do it.
:roll:

"Do as I say, not as I do!"

[NumberSix]

You're kidding right? God literally murders everyone on the earth at one point in time for being non believers. Kills everyone in a city because they're "bad."

Honestly, you are the one who hasn't read the source material here.
That's imaginary though. If Bible readers want to believe that God will deal with "bad people", that's stupid but, ok fine. It's imaginary. It's different when you believe God wants YOU to deal with "bad people".

[Godzuki]

:roll:

"Do as I say, not as I do!"


goddamn you're reachign hard as fukk. give me a more literal, direct interpretation where God/Jesus is preaching for Christians to kill non believers like the Quran does....just like islamic hardliners go out and do according to their gospel. where are all of the Christians beheading people? oh thats right the Bible doesn't preach it!! its not written anywhere~ he gives judgement and thats the worst you can actually cite....keep reaching to make excuses knowing damn well there is so little of a parallel there :facepalm

[Droid101]

Well, two things.

It's imaginary.Many believers, especially uneducated people believe it is true.

It's different when you believe God wants YOU to deal with "bad people".
And heck, if God did it, it must be good! I'm just helping him out.

[LJJ]

The Quran says you arent allowed to have sex outside marriage. ISIS have been raping women all across Iraq and Syria. The Quran says you arent allowed to kill yourself. Terrorists have been blowing themselves up. These guys arent Muslims, they are taking their shit to a new level and playing by their own rules.

The Quran says it's perfectly okay to rape women captured in war. There is literally no controversy on this matter in the Muslim world. Muhammad did it himself.

[theballerFKA Ace]

I swear to god people just forget the Catholic church is basically the worlds largest child sex ring


That would be public school teachers. Not excusing the Catholic Church for it's deplorable behavior of covering up for priests but lets be realistic. There have been 110,000 priests in the last 50 years and 4500 have been accused of at least some form of sexual misconduct, that's a ridiculously high percentage. But still an overall drop in the bucket compared to the 4.5 million children who have been sexually abused by teachers or staff in school, according to Congress mandated government study.

That's just the US, but I imagine it plays out like that all around the world.

[DonDadda59]

God does it, he doesn't preach his followers or believers to do it. he destroyed the city of Babylon for being sinners i believe. he didn't tell all of his followers to go into a frenzy and kill all of them. he punished sin, but he's not preaching that to his believers.

i'm not even Christian, but there is a OBVIOUS difference between what Christianity is preaching that you're tryibng to twist into what those Islam excerpts preach which are MUCH worse. to me Christian God doesn't even make that much sense but i emphasize at least he's not preaching for others to kill non believers and crap like that. he punishes them himself.

and don't even get me started on y'all mf'ers trying to cite catholic pedo's. its such a godawful parallel i didn't even bother responding for how retarded the idea they're a intentional pedo organization, like Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc. are muslim organizations. yeah sure they're the same :facepalm

Prime example of what's wrong with discussions like this. People don't even know the basics of what they are arguing for or against.

[Godzuki]

Prime example of what's wrong with discussions like this. People don't even know the basics of what they are arguing for or against.


prime example of people being too generalized, and indirect, where the statement is lost upon most people ^

i know exactly what i'm against at the least, i think i've made that very clear :pimp:

and the cited justifications for all religiions being the same to justify the muslim religion or communities of today are so flawed in every way its not even funny. very rarely are all things the same in life, let alone religions today. its absurd to even pretend that given world events/issues.

[Draz]

Every religion has sickos.

[NumberSix]

Every religion has sickos.
Tibetan Buddhist monks have a lot of sickos?

[DonDadda59]

Tibetan Buddhist monks have a lot of sickos?

Many of them self-immolate to prove a point.

http://stefansargent.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/5-monk-self-immolation-650.jpg

I'm assuming that's not a sign of great mental health, even if its self destructive and not harmful to others.

[Nanners]

Tibetan Buddhist monks have a lot of sickos?

i dont know about tibetan buddhists, but there are buddhist terrorist groups attacking muslims in southern asia right now...


Buddhist violence in Myanmar are the ethnic terror attacks, particularly against the Rohingya people and other Muslims in the region. The terror attacks were motivated by Buddhist monks (the prominent among whom is Wirathu) with the creation of the 969 Movement. The violence reached prominence in June 2012 when more than 200 people were killed and around 100,000 were displaced. According to the Human Rights Watch report, the Burmese government and local authorities played a key role in the forcible displacement of more than 125,000 Rohingya and other Muslims in the region. The report further specifies the coordinated attacks of October 2012 that were carried out in different cities by Burmese officials, community leaders and Buddhist monks to terrorize and forcibly relocate the population. The violence of Meiktila, Lashio (2013) and Mandalay (2014) are the latest Buddhist violence in Burma.

[qrich]

quote something dumbass. all of you just yap generalized shit, while mf'ers are actually putting up and posting Quran excerpts. now post some Bible excerpts preaching violence from the Bible fool :facepalm

so many retard muslim apologists here, who can't own up to the reality of today. its so obvious most of u mf'ers can't keep shit real. sad.


Kill your kids if they claim they can prophesies:

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.

Kill all Ethiopians:
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD.

Matthew 5:38-39 - Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Just read this entire NPR Piece (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788)


You have incidents of Muslim violence over and over and over all over the world and you have to bring up isolated cases of so called Christian nutcases to make your point. Come on now.

I get it now. If any non-Muslim acts crazy due to the "holy book", they are just a nutcase. But if it's a Muslim, they aren't a nutcase, but it's the religion's fault!!

By the way, this isn't isolated, there are a million cases like this, such as a woman amputating her 11 month old and praising Jesus. Or a dude killing his son, saying God told him to, like he did with Abraham. An Oregon mother killing all three of her kids because she felt she couldn't get repent due to them being bastards. Etc. etc. etc.

And then, look at Africa as a whole.


The Quran says it's perfectly okay to rape women captured in war. There is literally no controversy on this matter in the Muslim world. Muhammad did it himself.

The Bible says a woman that was raped has to marry her rapist.

"28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

[LJJ]

The Bible says a woman that was raped has to marry her rapist.

"28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Questionable translation of that passage, that. But I'm not here to debate Christianity.

I just responded to a poster who claimed in Islam extra-marital sex is forbidden and you don't have the right to rape your war booty, while that's all clearly directly justifiable to do from the Quran.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Arguing that the Quron is more violent than the Bible is just splitting hairs. Millions have perished in the name of both. The Bible has inspired countless atrocities throughout history.

[Inactive]

where in the bible does it preach violence? i can't think of one passage. the whole lesson is about being a pooseee. to always turn the other cheek. to not hate, alwyas forgive. love thy neighbor. Jesus went thru so much crap in Bible literature, and took it always preaching love.Really?
3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Everyone who denies Jesus shall be destroyed.
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
1:31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Homosexuals are worthy of death.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Meaning this stuff:
4:23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.
4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

13:12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
13:14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.along with dozens of similar passages, is part of Christianity.

This is the Southern Baptist (largest Protestant denomination in the U.S) position on the issue.

The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by Inspiration of God, and are the only sufficient, certain and authoritative rule of all saving knowledge, faith and obedience[QUOTE]
The true doctrine of salvation is contained in both Testaments.
The authority of the New Testament does not rest on itself alone

[Jet]

Kill your kids if they claim they can prophesies:

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.

Kill all Ethiopians:
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD.

Matthew 5:38-39 - Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Just read this entire NPR Piece (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788)



I get it now. If any non-Muslim acts crazy due to the "holy book", they are just a nutcase. But if it's a Muslim, they aren't a nutcase, but it's the religion's fault!!

By the way, this isn't isolated, there are a million cases like this, such as a woman amputating her 11 month old and praising Jesus. Or a dude killing his son, saying God told him to, like he did with Abraham. An Oregon mother killing all three of her kids because she felt she couldn't get repent due to them being bastards. Etc. etc. etc.

And then, look at Africa as a whole.



The Bible says a woman that was raped has to marry her rapist.

"28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Which religious group has organized militarily to take over countries and force the people already there to subscribe to their beliefs or die? Don't bring up the Crusades, we are talking about today. Do you see Jews, Buddhists, Christians or Hindus doing that? Bring up as many Christian text telling you to stone an adulterer you want and then wake me up the next time a church stones some woman.

All the old religious texts have ****ed up passages, but which group still follows those ****ed up verses to the literal word?

FFS, Iran just executed a man because he said the story of Jonah and the Whale was a metaphor :facepalm . That wasn't carried out by some random crazy. That wasn't carried out by some terrorist cell. That was carried out according to Iranian law :facepalm

You idiots who pick and choose random Jewish or Christian crimes and try to compare that to the organized movement of the spread of radical Islam need to be slapped with a reality stick. There is something seriously ****ed up going on in Islam when you see so many adopt the radical teachings. Quit apologizing for Muslim extremism and quit trying to downplay it.

Are all Muslims evil nutcases? Of course not but moderate Muslims who keep making excuses for the radical ones are as much to blame for being cowards and apologists.

[Jet]

Arguing that the Quron is more violent than the Bible is just splitting hairs. Millions have perished in the name of both. The Bible has inspired countless atrocities throughout history.


Keyword: history.

Christians have done some ****ed up shit but they evolved. That's the difference. Apologists just can't seem to get that through their thick skulls.

#religionofpeace
#notallmuslims

[Inactive]

Which religious group has organized militarily to take over countries and force the people already there to subscribe to their beliefs or die? Don't bring up the Crusades, we are talking about today. Do you see Jews, Buddhists, Christians or Hindus doing that? Bring up as many Christian text telling you to stone an adulterer you want and then wake me up the next time a church stones some woman.

All the old religious texts have ****ed up passages, but which group still follows those ****ed up verses to the literal word?

FFS, Iran just executed a man because he said the story of Jonah and the Whale was a metaphor :facepalm . That wasn't carried out by some random crazy. That wasn't carried out by some terrorist cell. That was carried out according to Iranian law :facepalm

You idiots who pick and choose random Jewish or Christian crimes and try to compare that to the organized movement of the spread of radical Islam need to be slapped with a reality stick. There is something seriously ****ed up going on in Islam when you see so many adopt the radical teachings. Quit apologizing for Muslim extremism and quit trying to downplay it.

Are all Muslims evil nutcases? Of course not but moderate Muslims who keep making excuses for the radical ones are as much to blame for being cowards and apologists.No one is saying there isn't a problem with radical Islam, which is greater than the problems stemming from Christian fundamentalism, or Orthodox Judaism. The argument is between:

People who insist that Islam itself, not a particular interpretation of Islam, or a particular group of Muslims at a specific moment in time, is singularly evil, and incomparable to other religions.

People who reply that Islam historically has not been more violent, or evil than other religions, and that it's scripture is not more violent or evil than that of other religions. In other words, that the problem is not "Islam", it's a particular sort of radical Islamist political movement. We could argue about the reasons why these radical movements are appealing to Muslims in certain countries at the moment, but none of these discussions have gotten that far.

[Jet]

No one is saying there isn't a problem with radical Islam, which is greater than the problems stemming from Christian fundamentalism, or Orthodox Judaism. The argument is between:

People who insist that Islam itself, not a particular interpretation of Islam, or a particular group of Muslims at a specific moment in time, is singularly evil, and incomparable to other religions.

People who reply that Islam historically has not been more violent, or evil than other religions, and that it's scripture is not more violent or evil than that of other religions. In other words, that the problem is not "Islam", it's a particular sort of radical Islamist political movement. We could argue about the reasons why these radical movements are appealing to Muslims in certain countries at the moment, but none of these discussions have gotten that far.

I agree that the main problem is extremism whether it be Muslim, Jewish, or Christian. But you can't deny that the vast majority of extremists today are coming from Muslims. It doesn't help that even our "friends" in the ME are pretty damn ass backwards as it is, and they would be considered moderate.

[Godzuki]

Really? Everyone who denies Jesus shall be destroyed.Homosexuals are worthy of death.
Meaning this stuff:along with dozens of similar passages, is part of Christianity.

This is the Southern Baptist (largest Protestant denomination in the U.S) position on the issue.
The Catholic (largest Christian denomination in the world) position:
The Methodist position:


shall be destroyed from among the people; in the Hebrew text it is, "I will require it of him"; the Hebrew word, there used, by having different points, may be rendered "of him", or "from his people", which seems to be the reason of this difference: and requiring often intends punishment, or a cutting off; or as Aben Ezra explains it here,

"death by the hand of heaven;''

translation can explain your top quote.

i just don't see the Christian Bible inciting believers to be violent towards other people, even non believers. Yes it does state they will be judged, but they do not incite to kill. It goes against every lesson Jesus preached. There is a difference between God judging and condemning VS inciting followers to cause harm to others.

furthermore Christians of today aren't policing what people say in other countries. they're not policing TV shows across the world according to their religion making threats. they're not enacting barbaric sharia law on people where we all know its fukked up. there are HUGE differences between religions today, and its absolutely ridiculous to pretend they're the same.

either way this whole discussion should be based completely on how applicable it is to today's reality we're all living in, what today's issues are, and why we're even talking about this. Muslims pretending like they're so unfairly generalized or justifying all religions as the same today are ridiculous. No they aren't. Not even close.

You all can pretend its only the extremists, problem is those extremists keep popping out of communities in which all of you moderates live. there is a sympathy there from many moderates, or defending them, justifying them, from many of you moderate muslims. Many moderates seem to want a caliphate, like its your right. Many moderates want to hate on the west more than ISIS or these extremist groups. There is something wrong with that, that a lot of you need to own up to, and stop pretending like you're so unfairly generalized or persecuted. nobody hates all muslims, but we sure as hell are getting sick and tired of all of the muslim politically correct bullshit excuses and justifications. its not our problems, we're not the source. its your communities :coleman:

[Droid101]

Keyword: history.

Christians have done some ****ed up shit but they evolved. That's the difference. Apologists just can't seem to get that through their thick skulls.

#religionofpeace
#notallmuslims
So... why have they evolved? What happened?

Don't ignore history. Learn from it and apply it to the present.

[poido123]

Really? Everyone who denies Jesus shall be destroyed.Homosexuals are worthy of death.
Meaning this stuff:along with dozens of similar passages, is part of Christianity.

This is the Southern Baptist (largest Protestant denomination in the U.S) position on the issue.
The Catholic (largest Christian denomination in the world) position:
The Methodist position:


An interpretation which describes what Jesus will do. Not the actions of the people in which the Quran encourages. Christianity promotes people to declare god as their lord and saviour. Christianity does not encourage people to KILL or RAPE.

There is a reason why people of Islam have very barbaric and questionable actions. You only have to look at the treatment of women in their religion to know there's a big problem.

I'm not saying that Christians haven't had their whackjobs, but we don't see them causing unrest in their communities or going around cutting heads off. I think these extremists fully believe their cause is for Mohommed and the Quran's teachings.

[Inactive]

[B]i just don't see the Christian Bible inciting believers to be violent towards other people, even non believers. Yes it does state they will be judged, but they do not incite to kill. It goes against every lesson Jesus preached. You can't be serious. What do you say about 2000 years of killing heretics, pagans/witches, homosexuals, holy war, etc.? You don't see it happening today, in any of the countries you care about, therefore it's not part of Christianity?


furthermore Christians of today aren't policing what people say in other countries. they're not policing TV shows across the world according to their religion making threats. they're not enacting barbaric sharia law on people where we all know its fukked up. there are HUGE differences between religions today, and its absolutely ridiculous to pretend they're the same. The key is "of today".


either way this whole discussion should be based completely on how applicable it is to today's reality we're all living in, what today's issues are, and why we're even talking about this. Muslims pretending like they're so unfairly generalized or justifying all religions as the same today are ridiculous. No they aren't. Not even close.Then the terms of the discussion need to be changed. The people who are posting about the evils of Islam on this forum every day are explicitly not making an argument just about today. They're making claims about Islam per se, without any qualifications.


You all can pretend its only the extremists, problem is those extremists keep popping out of communities in which all of you moderates live. there is a sympathy there from many moderates, or defending them, justifying them, from many of you moderate muslims. Many moderates seem to want a caliphate, like its your right. Many moderates want to hate on the west more than ISIS or these extremist groups. There is something wrong with that, that a lot of you need to own up to, and stop pretending like you're so unfairly generalized or persecuted. nobody hates all muslims, but we sure as hell are getting sick and tired of all of the muslim politically correct bullshit excuses and justifications. its not our problems, we're not the source. its your communities :coleman:Who are you talking about when you say "you"?

[zoom17]

Another thread about Islam.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuHypBCUAAY5yn.jpg:large

[ThePhantomCreep]

Keyword: history.

Christians have done some ****ed up shit but they evolved. That's the difference. Apologists just can't seem to get that through their thick skulls.

#religionofpeace
#notallmuslims

Evolved? If you say so. There are acts of terrorism being committed in God's name as we speak.

[Patrick Chewing]

Evolved? If you say so. There are acts of terrorism being committed in God's name as we speak.


:facepalm

Yes, by Muslims.

[ThePhantomCreep]

:facepalm

Yes, by Muslims.

Had I been referring to them, I would have used "Allah".

[Godzuki]

You can't be serious. What do you say about 2000 years of killing heretics, pagans/witches, homosexuals, holy war, etc.? You don't see it happening today, in any of the countries you care about, therefore it's not part of Christianity?

The key is "of today".

Then the terms of the discussion need to be changed. The people who are posting about the evils of Islam on this forum every day are explicitly not making an argument just about today. They're making claims about Islam per se, without any qualifications.

Who are you talking about when you say "you"?


of course the key is TODAY! thats whats relevant, history is completely irrelevant to our current lives. its ancient history. variables are different and will always be different. no 2 situations are ever the same because variables will always be different. outcomes may come out similar but that does not mean situations from current to past can be the same, they never are exactly. its a flawed cliche.

noc's about Christianity and all of its past atrocities other than muslims trying to justify 'it all as the same' when those of us living in current reality know its not. most of us care what affects us NOW way more than what happened in the past before we were born.

the current issue of the world, which has been THE issue for a long time now and becoming worse are muslim extremists. The notion that all religions are the same is so untrue to today its ridiculous anyone is even using that copout to excuse Islam. This idea Israel is so at fault when they're defending themselves more or less from rocket attacks and most of the Arab world wanting to blow them up, using the human shield sympathy argument is ridiculous. Its all based on that problematic religion, how they're raised, and what they're preached. Every day theres some new kid either becoming some domestic terrorist, if not wanting to go join ISIS from some western muslim community. Tell me how thats anyones fault but the muslims, their communities, and rearing?

most of us can't do shit about it other than become somewhat prejudice because its so threatening and frequent. Muslims can however, its their communities.

[Nick Young]

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/gl506b4960.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

Nick Young playing with fire...j/k. People need to be bold and step up to these bullies. Don't tolerate their intolerance.

[artex]

i read some translated excerpts of the Qur'an . some epic ish

[Inactive]

of course the key is TODAY! thats whats relevant, history is completely irrelevant to our current lives. its ancient history. variables are different and will always be different. no 2 situations are ever the same because variables will always be different. outcomes may come out similar but that does not mean situations from current to past can be the same, they never are exactly. its a flawed cliche.

noc's about Christianity and all of its past atrocities other than muslims trying to justify 'it all as the same' when those of us living in current reality know its not. most of us care what affects us NOW way more than what happened in the past before we were born.Let's say people A listen to pop music. People B listen to heavy metal. People A, and people B basically behaved in the same way for 1000 years. Sometimes people A behaved worse, sometimes people B behaved worse, but it roughly balanced out over time.

At this moment, people B are behaving badly, and they shout out heavy metal lyrics while they do it. Some people want attribute people B's bad behavior to the fact that they listen to heavy metal music. They say "Look! They're telling you they act this way because their music inspires them to! How can you say that's not what's causing it?". But people B's music has been a constant, and their bad behavior (relative to people A) hasn't been.

It doesn't make any sense to attribute an inconstant phenomenon to a constant. It's possible that the constant exacerbates the negative phenomenon when triggered, but it can't be the sole cause.

The point I'm trying to illustrate for you, is that the references to history are used to demonstrate that the typical diagnosis of the problem is ridiculous. History is extremely relevant when one tries to understand why things are currently the way they are.


the current issue of the world, which has been THE issue for a long time now and becoming worse are muslim extremists. The notion that all religions are the same is so untrue to today its ridiculous anyone is even using that copout to excuse Islam. This idea Israel is so at fault when they're defending themselves more or less from rocket attacks and most of the Arab world wanting to blow them up, using the human shield sympathy argument is ridiculous. Its all based on that problematic religion, how they're raised, and what they're preached. Every day theres some new kid either becoming some domestic terrorist, if not wanting to go join ISIS from some western muslim community. Tell me how thats anyones fault but the muslims, their communities, and rearing?The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians has nothing to do with Islam. It's a national, ethnic, quasi racial conflict; not a religious conflict. It's Jewish, and atheist Israelis, against Christian, Muslim, and atheist Palestinians. It's not democracy against Islamism; it's Israelis against Palestinians, whether they're liberals, feminists, Islamists, or anything else.

[Nick Young]

The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians has nothing to do with Islam. It's a national, ethnic, quasi racial conflict; not a religious conflict. It's Jewish, and atheist Israelis, against Christian, Muslim, and atheist Palestinians. It's not democracy against Islamism; it's Israelis against Palestinians, whether they're liberals, feminists, Islamists, or anything else.
Wrong. It is more like Hamas vs Jews. The Palestinian government in Gaza, elected by an 80% majority, is dedicated to the destruction of all Jews, and their removal from Israel. It is right there in the Hamas manifesto for Christ's sake :roll: :roll: :roll:

Did you know that Palestine was allied to the Nazis in WWII and their leader al-Husseini, still considered a national hero in Palestine, was Hitler's BFF and was planning on building death camps in Palestine before the war ended?
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/_husseni-hitler.jpg
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hiltler_avait_raison-vi1.jpg
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Haj-Amin-al-Husseini-small.png

https://simonstudio.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/182731_179987385377872_125342830842328_378435_5537 343_n.jpg

It's not religious doe

[LJJ]

Palestinians has nothing to do with Islam. It's a national, ethnic, quasi racial conflict; not a religious conflict. It's Jewish, and atheist Israelis, against Christian, Muslim, and atheist Palestinians. It's not democracy against Islamism; it's Israelis against Palestinians, whether they're liberals, feminists, Islamists, or anything else.

You really don't understand the conflict if you think religion has nothing to do with it. There is more to it than just religion, of course, but the religious component is very significant.

Either way, the Christian Palestinians really are the double victims. Pay the price for the war the Muslims wage on Israel and get brutalized by the Muslim Palestinians at the same time.

[Inactive]

Wrong. It is more like Hamas vs Jews. The Palestinian government in Gaza, elected by an 80% majority, is dedicated to the destruction of all Jews, and their removal from Israel. It is right there in the Hamas manifesto for Christ's sake :roll: :roll: :roll:The conflict was going on for 50 years before Hamas was founded.


Did you know that Palestine was allied to the Nazis in WWII and their leader al-Husseini, still considered a national hero in Palestine, was Hitler's BFF and was planning on building death camps in Palestine before the war ended?
Yes, they were stabbed in the back by the British after WWI, and colonized by the Israelis, so tried to buddy up with the enemy of their oppressors.

[Nick Young]

The conflict was going on for 50 years before Hamas was founded.

50 years ago, the Palestinian side of the conflict was lead by this guy:
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Haj-Amin-al-Husseini-small.png

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/_husseni-hitler.jpg

And the conflict has been going on longer then 50 years. Learn history.

Zionist settlers started moving to Israel in the 1800s. The area belonged to the Ottoman empire and, apart from Jerusalem was largely uninhabited except for Beduin nomads. The Zionist settlers began reinvigorating the area agriculturally and economically, and then Arabs from Syria moved in to take advantage of the newly prosperous territory. They lived happily side by side for awhile until Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Al-Husseini decided it was high time to start massacring Jews in Jerusalem and allying the Arabs with Hitler. Now the neo-Nazi political party Hamas, largely inspired by the ideas of their national hero Al-Husseini run Gaza.

[Inactive]

And the conflict has been going on longer then 50 years. Learn history.I said 50 years before Hamas was founded, i.e 1937. IIRC the armed conflict started in the early 30s.


Zionist settlers started moving to Israel in the 1800s. The area belonged to the Ottoman empire and, apart from Jerusalem was largely uninhabited except for Beduin nomads. The Zionist settlers began reinvigorating the area agriculturally and economically, and then Arabs from Syria moved in to take advantage of the newly prosperous territory. They lived happily side by side for awhile until Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Al-Husseini decided it was high time to start massacring Jews in Jerusalem and allying the Arabs with Hitler. Now the neo-Nazi political party Hamas, largely inspired by the ideas of their national hero Al-Husseini run Gaza.According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy,[66] the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of whom 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews.[67] McCarthy estimates the non-Jewish population of Palestine at 452,789 in 1882; 737,389 in 1914; 725,507 in 1922; 880,746 in 1931; and 1,339,763 in 1946.[68]

Keep spreading your propaganda though.

[Nick Young]

I said 50 years before Hamas was founded, i.e 1937. IIRC the armed conflict started in the early 30s.

According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy,[66] the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of whom 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews.[67] McCarthy estimates the non-Jewish population of Palestine at 452,789 in 1882; 737,389 in 1914; 725,507 in 1922; 880,746 in 1931; and 1,339,763 in 1946.[68]

Keep spreading your propaganda though.

Please acknowledge the political views of Palestine's national hero Al-Husseini, and how they have influenced the people's current direction.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-HQP_az3v6Q/hqdefault.jpg

I wonder where McCarthy got this census from, as there was no area called Palestine, it was known only as Southern Syria.

[Inactive]

I wonder where McCarthy got this census from, as there was no area called Palestine, it was known only as Southern Syria.I'm pretty sure they add up the populations of the cities, and then estimate rural population based on averages.

[Nick Young]

I'm pretty sure they add up the populations of the cities, and then estimate rural population based on averages.
Please acknowledge the political views of Palestine's national hero Al-Husseini, and how they have influenced the people's current direction.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-HQP_az3v6Q/hqdefault.jpg
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/_husseni-hitler.jpg

[Inactive]

Please acknowledge the political views of Palestine's national hero Al-Husseini, and how they have influenced the people's current direction.I don't know what his political views were. I'm sure they were odious. I doubt they've had much influence on the people's current direction.

What do you think about former Prime Minister Begin's views, actions, and how they've influenced the people's current direction?

"Begin quickly made a name for himself as a fierce critic of the dominant Zionist leadership for being too cooperative with British ‘colonialism’ and a proponent of armed opposition to it, which he saw as a necessary means to achieve independence. In 1942 he joined the Irgun (Etzel), an underground Zionist group which had split from the main Jewish military organization, the Haganah, in 1931. In 1944 Begin assumed the organization's leadership, determined to force the British government to remove its troops entirely from Palestine. Giving as reasons that the British had reneged on the promises given in the Balfour Declaration and that the White Paper of 1939 restricting Jewish immigration was an escalation of their pro-Arab policy, he decided to break with the Haganah. Soon after he assumed command, a formal 'Declaration of Revolt' was publicized, and armed attacks against British forces were initiated.

In 1944–48 the Irgun engaged in armed opposition, attacking British installations and posts. These operations were financed by demanding money from Jewish merchants and engaging in insurance scams in the local diamond industry.[14]

For several months in 1945–46, the Irgun’s activities were coordinated within the framework of the Hebrew Resistance Movement. Begin ordered the bombing of the British administrative and military headquarters at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, in 1946. The attack was conducted as part of a joint response to the British Operation Agatha, during which many Jews were arrested, weapons were seized and the Jewish Agency, from which many documents were removed, was raided. Irgun later claimed that warnings to evacuate had been sent but were ignored. 91 people, British, Arab and Jewish, were killed."

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=Inactive]I don't know what his political views were. I'm sure they were odious. I doubt they've had much influence on the people's current direction.

What do you think about former Prime Minister Begin's views, actions, and how they've influenced the people's current direction?

"Begin quickly made a name for himself as a fierce critic of the dominant Zionist leadership for being too cooperative with British

[Patrick Chewing]

Had I been referring to them, I would have used "Allah".


Oh mother of God you are dense.



"Allah" and "God" = Same

[SCdac]

Israel has had its problems with ultra-nationalists, extremists, and terrorists just like any country, but the difference between Israel and, say, Hamas-run Gaza is that isn't still today a significant presence of their government, military, and population. Stern Gang for instance was essentially repelled by Israeli government and society over time. Terrorists and terrorist acts committed by Israelis are held accountable and frowned upon, they're not held as heros as Palestinian terrorists are generally regarded in the West Bank and Gaza. Again, there is a minority of crazies (just like in America), but to obfuscate the distinctions in these societies is a huge misstep and denying the reality of today and the reality of the conflict. Often the anti-Jewish nature of this conflict gets swept under the rug yet it's absolutely a focal point. Hamas in this latest conflict said their missiles are only aimed at Jews, not at Arabs with Israel's borders. The state-sanctioned anti semitism and brainwashing is disturbing to say the least.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/hamas-claims-rockets-only-target-jews/

[Nick Young]

Israel has had its problems with ultra-nationalists, extremists, and terrorists just like any country, but the difference between Israel and, say, Hamas-run Gaza is that isn't still today a significant presence of their government, military, and population. Stern Gang for instance was essentially repelled by Israeli government and society over time. Terrorists and terrorist acts committed by Israelis are held accountable and frowned upon, they're not held as heros as Palestinian terrorists are generally regarded in the West Bank and Gaza. Again, there is a minority of crazies (just like in America), but to obfuscate the distinctions in these societies is a huge misstep and denying the reality of today and the reality of the conflict. Often the anti-Jewish nature of this conflict gets swept under the rug yet it's absolutely a focal point. Hamas in this latest conflict said their missiles are only aimed at Jews, not at Arabs with Israel's borders. The state-sanctioned anti semitism and brainwashing is disturbing to say the least.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/hamas-claims-rockets-only-target-jews/
http://peaceandconflictpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/free-palestine-as-code1.jpg

[Nick Young]

I'm pretty sure it's called terrorism these days.

Oh, you are one of those nutcases.:hammerhead:

Ovadia Yosef is not a national hero. Most people recognize him for the extremist that he is. Al-Husseini on the other hand, aka Hitlers BFF, is still recognized as a national hero across the Arab world.
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/_husseni-hitler.jpg
In Palestine, there are streets named after suicide bombers and the men who murdered the Israeli athletes in the Munich olympics.

Also, do you not see a difference? The Yosef IS ONLY TALKING.

Al-Husseini is saying worse shit, and then acts on it and actually lead pogroms and massacres vs Jews in Israel.

[Inactive]

Oh, you are one of those nutcases.:hammerhead:

Ovadia Yosef is not a national hero. Most people recognize him for the nutcase that he is. Al-Husseini on the other hand, aka Hitlers BFF, is still recognized as a national hero across the Arab world.


Also, do you not see a difference? The nutcase Yosef IS ONLY TALKING.

Al-Husseini is saying worse shit, and then acts on it and actually lead pogroms and massacres vs Jews in Israel."Under Begin’s leadership, the Irgun continued to carry out operations such as breaking into Acre Prison, and the kidnapping and hanging of two British sergeants in order to prevent, and then in retaliation to, the execution of several Irgun members by the British. Growing numbers of British soldiers and policemen were deployed to quell the Jewish uprising, yet Begin managed to elude captivity, at times disguised as a rabbi.[B] MI5 placed a 'dead-or-alive' bounty of

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=Inactive]"Under Begin

[Inactive]

Good thing that Israel no longer operates like that.

Einstein likened Herut as "closely akin to fascist parties"

Meanwhile, Al-Husseini actually was allied with Hitler and planned concentration camps in Palestine, before Germany fell.

I wonder what's worse, actually allying with Hitler, or being compared to a fascist party.

Did you know that the Arabic translation of Mein Kampf is the 6th best selling book all time in Palestine?:confusedshrug:

Those people literally are neo-Nazis.Are you seriously trying to argue that Palestinians, who are mostly olive skinned Semites, are proponents of a Nordic supremacist ideology?

[sweggeh]

Are you seriously trying to argue that Palestinians, who are mostly olive skinned Semites, are proponents of a Nordic supremacist ideology?

This :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Are you seriously trying to argue that Palestinians, who are mostly olive skinned Semites, are proponents of a Nordic supremacist ideology?
That's exactly what I'm saying, because it is the historically and factually accurate thing to say. Learn history.

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/_husseni-hitler.jpg

"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: The Jews are yours."

Former Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini in his post-World War II memoirs. [1}




"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures."

Adolf Eichmann`s deputy Dieter Wisliceny in his Nuremberg Trials testimony. [2]



[QUOTE]The leader of the Muslims in pre-Israel Palestine, Grand Mufti Mohammad Amin Al-Husayni, was closely allied with, and actively assisted the Nazis throughout the Second World War.

Al-Husayni met with Hitler several times, and was hosted in Berlin as the Nazis

[Inactive]

That's exactly what I'm saying, because it is the historically and factually accurate thing to say. Learn history.

You're right, there is zero connection between Palestine and Nazis.:hammerhead:As I said before, they allied with the Germans in WWII, because of the actions of the British after WWI, and because they were in conflict with the Jewish immigrants who flooded in during British colonial occupation. It's an "enemy of my enemy" situation. You might as well call the Japanese neo-Nazis, if that's what you're going to label the Palestinians.

I'd like to see a few of them try to join a neo-Nazi organization. I wonder if they'd get lynched, or just laughed at.

[Nick Young]

As I said before, they allied with the Germans in WWII, because of the actions of the British after WWI, and because they were in conflict with the Jewish immigrants who flooded in during British colonial occupation. It's an "enemy of my enemy" situation. You might as well call the Japanese neo-Nazis, if that's what you're going to label the Palestinians.

I'd like to see a few of them try to join a neo-Nazi organization. I wonder if they'd get lynched, or just laughed at.

http://thenewnazis.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/51.jpg
http://contrecourant1.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/palestine-drapeau-reich.jpg



"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures."

Adolf Eichmann`s deputy Dieter Wisliceny in his Nuremberg Trials testimony.


You are either ignorant or you are consciously lying.

[Droid101]

Nick Young is stupid and keeps posting the exact same pictures over and over rather than providing any kind of argument.

The end.

[Nick Young]

Nick Young is stupid and keeps posting the exact same pictures over and over rather than providing any kind of argument.

The end.
Do you agree with me that Palestinian national hero Haj Amin al-Husseini, the former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a willing and active ally of Hitler and his Nazi regime?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

If you side with Hamas, you are basically siding with neo-Nazis.

Mein Kampf is the 6th bestselling book all time in Palestine.

I am just providing facts and real history that some people try to cover up. Don't get mad.

[Droid101]

I am just providing facts and real history that some people try to cover up. Don't get mad.
No, you're not. You're repeating stupid talking points from some Israeli Defense Force Kids site or some other propaganda nonsense and not responding to actual arguments presented.

It's akin to putting your hands over your ears and yelling "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" over and over.

[Nick Young]

No, you're not. You're repeating stupid talking points from some Israeli Defense Force Kids site or some other propaganda nonsense and not responding to actual arguments presented.

It's akin to putting your hands over your ears and yelling "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" over and over.
So you are refusing to acknowledge the fact that Palestinian national hero Amin al-Husseini was a Nazi military leader and close friends with many top ranking nazis?

Here is an image of him hanging out with a Nazi soldier
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/4-Husseini-nazi_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

Here he is hanging out with more nazis
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/troops_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

Here is a Nazi propaganda poster showcasing Palestinian national hero Al-Husseini recruiting more nazis
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/5-poster_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

Here is a Hanzar division Bosnian Muslim Nazi flag. al-Husseini was the head of the Hanzar division.
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/1-flag_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

Here is Nazi leader Al-Husseini along with fellow Nazis Artukovic and Budak planning the Serbian genocide.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/Copy%20of%20meets%20Croat%20Nazi%20A_Artukovic%20a nd%20M_Budak_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg


Here is a nazi soldier hanging a picture of al-Husseini up on his wall
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/Bosnian-volunteer-hanging-p_jpg.jpg

Here is al-Husseini hanging out with his Nazi bros
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/nazi-meeting_gif_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

Here he is chowing down with his nazi bros
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/new7_jpg.jpg

[Nick Young]

Here are some of Yasser Arafat's troops throwing up the nazi salute. Arafat was inspired by al-Husseini
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/Nazi%20Salute%20in%20Palestine_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

Here he is with Hitler
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/Husseini-Hilter-Berlin.jpg


Here is an image of the cover of an arabic translation of Mein Kampf, funded and distributed by the Palestinian government in 2003
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/images/6-Mein%20Kampf_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg


Wowsers!

[qrich]

http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/s637-469/1283380541294467143.jpg

Hoover with Hitler.

We were allies until face was decided to be saved!!!!

[Droid101]

http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/s637-469/1283380541294467143.jpg

Hoover with Hitler.

We were allies until face was decided to be saved!!!!
SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!! Oh GOD Everyone is a terrorist!! EVEN REAGAN!!

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/0/0/2/3/1/0/6/9/5/Teen-titans--Jinx-62581287986.jpeg

[qrich]

SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!! Oh GOD Everyone is a terrorist!! EVEN REAGAN!!

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/0/0/2/3/1/0/6/9/5/Teen-titans--Jinx-62581287986.jpeg

Obama with Kim Jong and Al Queada!!!

http://theislamicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ObamaUSIndonesia-Muslims.jpg

[Droid101]

Obama with Kim Jong and Al Queada!!!

http://theislamicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ObamaUSIndonesia-Muslims.jpg
I knew he was a Secret Muslin and Secret... Korean.

[Nick Young]

http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/s637-469/1283380541294467143.jpg

Hoover with Hitler.

We were allies until face was decided to be saved!!!!
Churchill was not the leader of one of Hitler's SS divisions like al-Husseini was.

Hitler did not consult with Churchill about the best ways to exterminate Jews, like he did with al-Husseini. Churchill was not throwing up Heil Hitler signs and instructing the people to throw up Heil Hitler signs.

Stop posting irrelevant bullshit. Why are you so defensive over the Nazi-Palestinian leader Amin Al-Husseini?

[Nick Young]

Obama with Kim Jong and Al Queada!!!

http://theislamicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ObamaUSIndonesia-Muslims.jpg
Not the same at all. Obama was not actively collaborating with Kim Jong and Al Queada in how to murder people. Obama was not actively leading a military division of al-Quaeda like al-Husseini was when he lead the SS division of Bosnian Muslims for Hitler.

[qrich]

Churchill was not the leader of one of Hitler's SS divisions like al-Husseini was.

Hitler did not consult with Churchill about the best ways to exterminate Jews, like he did with al-Husseini. Churchill was not throwing up Heil Hitler signs and instructing the people to throw up Heil Hitler signs.

Stop posting irrelevant bullshit. Why are you so defensive over the Nazi-Palestinian leader Amin Al-Husseini?

Governor of California hailing Hitler

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1892287232/h4BA15235/

Governor of Texas loves Hitler!!!

http://www.sabinabecker.com/media/rick-perry-heiling-hitler.jpg

Brits love Hitler!!!!

http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/images/2013/06/510294.jpg

Obama even with the heil!!

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1212/sound-familiar-obama-hitler-politics-1355748951.jpg

[qrich]

I knew he was a Secret Muslin and Secret... Korean.

We never get along, but how sad is it that Nick Young is such an idiot, he thinks that is actually Jong.


Not the same at all. Obama was not actively collaborating with Kim Jong and Al Queada in how to murder people. Obama was not actively leading a military division of al-Quaeda like al-Husseini was when he lead the SS division of Bosnian Muslims for Hitler.

[Nick Young]

We never get along, but how sad is it that Nick Young is such an idiot, he thinks that is actually Jong.
I know that it is not Jong. I am just acknowledging Droid's stupidity. He is using distraction tactics to try to hide real facts and real history.


Why are you all defending the Nazi pro-genocide leader al-Husseini?

Do you think al-Husseini was a hero too?:facepalm

[Droid101]

We never get along, but how sad is it that Nick Young is such an idiot, he thinks that is actually Jong.
We get along. I'm going to the Clipper Phoenix game on the 15th of November. Let's go Clippers!

[qrich]

I know that it is not Jong. I am just acknowledging Droid's stupidity. He is using distraction tactics to try to hide real facts and real history.


Why are you all defending the Nazi pro-genocide leader al-Husseini?

Do you think al-Husseini was a hero too?:facepalm


Why do you have zero arguments/answers, but the same recycled bullshit?

I shall do that too.

Governor of California hailing Hitler

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1892287232/h4BA15235/

Governor of Texas loves Hitler!!!

http://www.sabinabecker.com/media/rick-perry-heiling-hitler.jpg

Brits love Hitler!!!!

http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/images/2013/06/510294.jpg

Obama even with the heil!!

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1212/sound-familiar-obama-hitler-politics-1355748951.jpg

Obama with Kim Jong and Al Queada!!!

http://theislamicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ObamaUSIndonesia-Muslims.jpg

http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/s637-469/1283380541294467143.jpg

Hoover with Hitler.

SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!! Oh GOD Everyone is a terrorist!! EVEN REAGAN!!

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/0/0/2/3/1/0/6/9/5/Teen-titans--Jinx-62581287986.jpeg

[Nick Young]

Why are you refusing to acknowledge that Palestinian national hero Amin Al-Husseini was a pro-genocide Nazi who actively lead his own division of the SS?:confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

Why are you refusing to acknowledge that Palestinian national hero Amin Al-Husseini was a pro-genocide Nazi who actively lead his own division of the SS?:confusedshrug:
Isn't it frustrating when someone refuses to acknowledge a post you make, and then proceeds to repeat stupid shit over and over that isn't related to anything?

[Nick Young]

Isn't it frustrating when someone refuses to acknowledge a post you make, and then proceeds to repeat stupid shit over and over that isn't related to anything?
So basically you are defending Nazis and neo-Nazis now?:confusedshrug:

[qrich]

Why are you refusing to acknowledge that Palestinian national hero Amin Al-Husseini was a pro-genocide Nazi who actively lead his own division of the SS?:confusedshrug:

Why are you refusing to admit that the United States, after Reagan got elected, sold Saddam these chemical weapons?

Why are you refusing to admit that Bin Laden & Al Queda (eventually becoming ISIL) would not have existed if it wasn't for the United States?

Therefore, the US = Terrorists!!!! Combine that with the fact the United States still PAYS for the DENIAL of the Genocide of the Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians AND:

Governor of California hailing Hitler

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1892287232/h4BA15235/

Governor of Texas loves Hitler!!!

http://www.sabinabecker.com/media/rick-perry-heiling-hitler.jpg

Brits love Hitler!!!!

http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/images/2013/06/510294.jpg

Obama even with the heil!!

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1212/sound-familiar-obama-hitler-politics-1355748951.jpg

Obama with Kim Jong and Al Queada!!!

http://theislamicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ObamaUSIndonesia-Muslims.jpg

http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/s637-469/1283380541294467143.jpg

Hoover with Hitler.

SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!! Oh GOD Everyone is a terrorist!! EVEN REAGAN!!

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/0/0/2/3/1/0/6/9/5/Teen-titans--Jinx-62581287986.jpeg



USA = TERRORISTS!!!!

[Droid101]

So basically you are defending Nazis and neo-Nazis now?:confusedshrug:
Droid101 was an SS leader in Nazi Germany and is a pinnacle of Insidehoops dot com website community, therefore Insidehoops dot com is bad and evil!

[Patrick Chewing]

So basically you are defending Nazis and neo-Nazis now?:confusedshrug:


He's an Anarchist Leftist. One in the same.

[imdaman99]

Droid101 was an SS leader in Nazi Germany and is a pinnacle of Insidehoops dot com website community, therefore Insidehoops dot com is bad and evil!
HEY MAN! Websites are legit sources!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Droid101]

He's an Anarchist Leftist. One in the same.
"Anarchist Leftist" lol.

Fox News on the brain dude.

[Patrick Chewing]

"Anarchist Leftist" lol.

Fox News on the brain dude.


I probably left out Atheist too, but I don't remember your position on God.

[DonDadda59]

I probably left out Atheist too, but I don't remember your position on God.

I am a false prophet. God is a superstition.

[RidonKs]

"Anarchist Leftist" lol.

Fox News on the brain dude.
no fox news necessary dude, anarchist leftist is a perfectly appropriate political identity to assume and just as acceptable a label to call somebody.

anarchism has a broad spectrum. its values reach from the radical left all the way to the radical right. there are a lot of different subsets.

not that patrick chewing, the poster with the coin, knows any of this.

[RidonKs]

Israel has had its problems with ultra-nationalists, extremists, and terrorists just like any country, but the difference between Israel and, say, Hamas-run Gaza is that isn't still today a significant presence of their government, military, and population. Stern Gang for instance was essentially repelled by Israeli government and society over time. Terrorists and terrorist acts committed by Israelis are held accountable and frowned upon, they're not held as heros as Palestinian terrorists are generally regarded in the West Bank and Gaza. Again, there is a minority of crazies (just like in America), but to obfuscate the distinctions in these societies is a huge misstep and denying the reality of today and the reality of the conflict. Often the anti-Jewish nature of this conflict gets swept under the rug yet it's absolutely a focal point. Hamas in this latest conflict said their missiles are only aimed at Jews, not at Arabs with Israel's borders. The state-sanctioned anti semitism and brainwashing is disturbing to say the least.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/hamas-claims-rockets-only-target-jews/
this is not true

some of the leading names of israeli history, from bibi to perez all the way back to ben-gurion are responsible for mass killings and heinous atrocities that aren't subject to the least bit of controversy and they are hailed as noble leaders of courage and integrity.

[Patrick Chewing]

not that patrick chewing, the poster with the coin, knows any of this.


You're right. I heard it on the subway on my way to work.

[Droid101]

You're right. I heard it on the subway on my way to work.
I wonder why you think I'm an "anarchist leftist" though.

Because I think Nick Young is an idiot? Everybody ****ing thinks that.

[Nanners]

He's an Anarchist Leftist. One in the same.

:oldlol:

one day leftists are "anarchist", the next they are "big government"... make up your damn mind already.

[Droid101]

:oldlol:

one day leftists are "anarchist", the next they are "big government"... make up your damn mind already.
Talking points get confused easily.

For example, President Barack Obama has been described by them as a big government, fascist, Chicago-style politician, black-helicopter, jack-booted-thug sending, evil dictator bent on destroying America, as well as a do-nothing, mom-jeans, vacation-taking, arugula eating, empty suit not fit to lead.

These people literally have no shame.

[Nick Young]

HEY MAN! Websites are legit sources!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
So you too are denying history and real life and refusing to accept that Amin al-Husseini, who is still considered a hero across the Arab world, was a hardcore Nazi, in charge of his own SS division, and Hitler's BFF?:facepalm

You terrorist apologists truly are disgusting pieces of shit.

[Nick Young]

this is not true

some of the leading names of israeli history, from bibi to perez all the way back to ben-gurion are responsible for mass killings and heinous atrocities that aren't subject to the least bit of controversy and they are hailed as noble leaders of courage and integrity.
This Nazi terrorist apologist doe:facepalm

[Nick Young]

Interesting video to watch for any fans of Hamas and Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmuUvzVzA9k#t=27

[millwad]

Interesting video to watch for any fans of Hamas and Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmuUvzVzA9k#t=27

Haha, so tell us, when did you hear about Hajj Amin for the first time?

[millwad]

Did you know that the Arabic translation of Mein Kampf is the 6th best selling book all time in Palestine?:confusedshrug:



Source?

[Nick Young]

Source?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf_in_the_Arabic_language

[millwad]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf_in_the_Arabic_language

I'm on my cellphone and took a quick look, couldn't see where your source had it written that Mein Kampf is the 6th best selling book all-time in Palestine.

Please quote the exact text.

People, this is "Nick Young" in a nutshell, he find his bogus sources on crazed pro-Israel blogs and he believes everything he reads as long as it fits his agenda. He then use his bogus "info" as arguments on this board.

[millwad]

Please post the actual source regarding Mein Kampf.

[Nick Young]

Please post the actual source regarding Mein Kampf.
Mein Kampf was rated 6th on the best-seller list among Palestinians in a survey conducted and reported in PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida.
Do you speak Arabic? Here you go :)
http://www.alhayat-j.com/newsite/index.php

[millwad]

Mein Kampf was rated 6th on the best-seller list among Palestinians in a survey conducted and reported in PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida.
Do you speak Arabic? Here you go :)
http://www.alhayat-j.com/newsite/index.php

I knew that you would do that, you scumbag.

Why do you want to fool people if you believe that you're right?
You took that quote from Palwatch, a pro-Israeli propaganda site and all propaganda-sites have one thing in common. Their bogus can't be find anywhere else other than other propaganda sites.

In this case, I searched the web for that quote and your claim, the only site that came up was palwatch, the same site claims the Palestinians name their children Romml and Hitler. I also searched Al-Hayat and couldn't find anything regarding the matter.

And the fact that you even want to use the reading of Mein Kampf as something related to the readers being nazis, makes you even more stupid. We had to read Mein Kampf in school, as a tool to realize how horrible Nazism and hatred is.

[brownmamba00]

Mein Kampf was rated 6th on the best-seller list among Palestinians in a survey conducted and reported in PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida.
Do you speak Arabic? Here you go :)
http://www.alhayat-j.com/newsite/index.php
so?

isn't Mein Kampf like one the most sold book ever?

this guy:hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

I knew that you would do that, you scumbag.

Why do you want to fool people if you believe that you're right?
You took that quote from Palwatch, a pro-Israeli propaganda site and all propaganda-sites have one thing in common. Their bogus can't be find anywhere else other than other propaganda sites.

In this case, I searched the web for that quote and your claim, the only site that came up was palwatch, the same site claims the Palestinians name their children Romml and Hitler. I also searched Al-Hayat and couldn't find anything regarding the matter.

And the fact that you even want to use the reading of Mein Kampf as something related to the readers being nazis, makes you even more stupid. We had to read Mein Kampf in school, as a tool to realize how horrible Nazism and hatred is.

If you choose to ignore a survey done in another language, because you are unable to comprehend that foreign language, that is completely up to you :cheers:

There are indeed many Palestinian children named Rommel and Hitler. Some are even government officals in Hamas and the PA.

Did you know that Palestinian history books fail to mention the holocaust?

When I lived in Cairo, arabic translations of Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion could be found in every corner shop and gas station. I guess they were put there so Egyptians could realize how horrible Nazism and Jew-hatred is. I am happy that the Arabic world is so sympathetic and accepting towards Jews these days :)

[knickballer]

I do remember reading that Palestinians and other Arabs did view Hitler as a liberator and he was very liked in some areas. I think he was even compared on the same level as Muhammed although that's probably an exaggeration. Truthfully, I can understand why they would though as they were colonized by England and at the time Jews were settling in Palestine. Then comes a man who (Hitler) who promised to eliminate both of them very quickly...

You have to realize pre-WW2 Jews and Muslims in the area had good relationships and there was no conflict between them although that's probably because the state of Israel didn't exist.

[Nick Young]

I do remember reading that Palestinians and other Arabs did view Hitler as a liberator and he was very liked in some areas. I think he was even compared on the same level as Muhammed although that's probably an exaggeration. Truthfully, I can understand why they would though as they were colonized by England and at the time Jews were settling in Palestine. Then comes a man who (Hitler) who promised to eliminate both of them very quickly...

You have to realize pre-WW2 Jews and Muslims in the area had good relationships and there was no conflict between them although that's probably because the state of Israel didn't exist.
Pre-al-Husseini becoming Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Jews and Muslims had a brilliant relationship.

Al-Husseini is the one who started inciting violence against Jews, and the one who killed all moderate Muslims who wanted to live in peace. Al-Husseini was the inspiration of Yasser Arafat, who claims to be his nephew, and al-Husseini's ideology can still be found in the Hamas government to this day.

There was a great man named King Faisal of Iraq who encouraged peace and had an opposing idealogy to al-Husseinis but unfortunately he lost out. He wanted to unite all Arabs as well. Unfortunately al-Husseini's philosophy of dividing Arabs and killing ones he disagreed with won out.


"We Arabs... look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organisation to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, insofar as we are concerned, to help them through; we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home... I look forward, and my people with me look forward, to a future in which we will help you and you will help us, so that the countries in which we are mutually interested may once again take their places in the community of the civilised peoples of the world."

These promises were not immediately fulfilled, in some cases not until after the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel.[7][8] but once Arab states were granted autonomy from the European powers, years after the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement, and these new Arab nations were recognized by the Europeans and the U.N., Weizmann argued that since the fulfillment was kept eventually, the agreement for a Jewish homeland in Palestine still held.[8] In truth, however, this hoped-for partnership had little chance of success and was a dead letter by late 1920. Faisal had hoped that Zionist influence on British policy would be sufficient to forestall French designs on Syria, but Zionist influence could never compete with French interests. At the same time Faisal failed to enlist significant sympathy among his Arab elite supporters for the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, even under loose Arab suzerainty.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_I_of_Iraq#First_World_War_and_Arab_Revolt


If the Faisal-Weizmann agreement had gone through, there would be no conflict in Israel


The agreement committed both parties to conducting all relations between the groups by the most cordial goodwill and understanding, to work together to encourage immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale while protecting the rights of the Arab peasants and tenant farmers, and to safeguard the free practice of religious observances. The Muslim Holy Places were to be under Muslim control.
The Zionist movement undertook to assist the Arab residents of Palestine and the future Arab state to develop their natural resources and establish a growing economy.
The boundaries between an Arab State and Palestine should be determined by a Commission after the Paris Peace Conference.
The parties committed to carrying into effect the Balfour Declaration of 1917, calling for a Jewish national home in Palestine.
Disputes were to be submitted to the British Government for arbitration.
Weizmann signed the agreement on behalf of the Zionist Organization, while Faisal signed on behalf of the short-lived Arab Kingdom of Hedjaz.

Two weeks prior to signing the agreement, Faisal stated:

The two main branches of the Semitic family, Arabs and Jews, understand one another, and I hope that as a result of interchange of ideas at the Peace Conference, which will be guided by ideals of self-determination and nationality, each nation will make definite progress towards the realization of its aspirations. Arabs are not jealous of Zionist Jews, and intend to give them fair play and the Zionist Jews have assured the Nationalist Arabs of their intention to see that they too have fair play in their respective areas. Turkish intrigue in Palestine has raised jealousy between the Jewish colonists and the local peasants, but the mutual understanding of the aims of Arabs and Jews will at once clear away the last trace of this former bitterness, which, indeed, had already practically disappeared before the war by the work of the Arab Secret Revolutionary Committee, which in Syria and elsewhere laid the foundation of the Arab military successes of the past two years.[12]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement#The_agreement

It is sad how things turned out, looking back.

[millwad]

If you choose to ignore a survey done in another language, because you are unable to comprehend that foreign language, that is completely up to you :cheers:


I am not ignoring anything, I am asking for the actual source, not the translated version that can only be found on a propaganda blog. I couldn't find any other site with that so called "fact". That says it all.



There are indeed many Palestinian children named Rommel and Hitler. Some are even government officals in Hamas and the PA.

Ok, seriously, go **** yourself. Either you start to back up your bogus rants with actual sources or don't type it. This far you've been spamming us with propaganda blogs and made up stories.

Find me one government official in Hamas and PA with the name Hitler or Rommel.

[millwad]

so?

isn't Mein Kampf like one the most sold book ever?

this guy:hammerhead:

I checked his source, he copied it from a pure propaganda site and it can only be found there.

And suddenly reading "Mein Kampf" makes you a nazi, I guess we have a massive amount of nazi's in Sweden.

[RidonKs]

yo millwad who cares if nick young made up a source about the popularity of mein kamf in the occupied territories? what he has done, and what any astute and clever political tactician will invariably try to do when the facts are not on their side, is to change the conversation. now you are trying to prove that mein kamf ISNT so popular in the occupied territories. but even if it is... who cares? does that justify israeli atrocities? does it have any bearing on the political situation at hand? of course not. it's a side issue presented by our resident political fanatic to distract from important issues. in the exact same way posting 25 times about the godfather of palestinian/islamic terrorism in his other thread tries to accomplish the same feat.


bottom line : its all very disengenuous and is best ignored. nick young does say things occasionally that warrant response. this is no such case however.

[Nick Young]

I am not ignoring anything, I am asking for the actual source, not the translated version that can only be found on a propaganda blog. I couldn't find any other site with that so called "fact". That says it all.



Ok, seriously, go **** yourself. Either you start to back up your bogus rants with actual sources or don't type it. This far you've been spamming us with propaganda blogs and made up stories.

Find me one government official in Hamas and PA with the name Hitler or Rommel.
It is not my fault that you are not able to read Arabic and are not able to translate the source material for yourself.

http://www.thecommentator.com/system/articles/inner_pictures/000/002/657/thumb/hamas.jpg

http://images.alwatanvoice.com/news/large/9998361920.jpg

http://www.alwatanvoice.com/arabic/news/2013/01/24/353860.html

[Nick Young]

yo millwad who cares if nick young made up a source about the popularity of mein kamf in the occupied territories? what he has done, and what any astute and clever political tactician will invariably try to do when the facts are not on their side, is to change the conversation. now you are trying to prove that mein kamf ISNT so popular in the occupied territories. but even if it is... who cares? does that justify israeli atrocities? does it have any bearing on the political situation at hand? of course not. it's a side issue presented by our resident political fanatic to distract from important issues. in the exact same way posting 25 times about the godfather of palestinian/islamic terrorism in his other thread tries to accomplish the same feat.


bottom line : its all very disengenuous and is best ignored. nick young does say things occasionally that warrant response. this is no such case however.
It is funny that you consider yourself to be a liberal and you are constantly defending a state of neo-nazis that doesn't mention anything about the holocaust in its history textbooks, and teaches kindergartners to dip their hands in red paint to pretend that it's enemy blood.

Is this fake too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV9M3mmqOII


Here is a nice Palestinian news source for you
http://www.alwatanvoice.com/arabic/news/2013/01/24/353860.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etDb5tXPawc
more liez amirite doe? XD

[RidonKs]

my country declared hamas and the plo terrorist organizations a long time ago. i don't disagree with that assessment. but by the exact same token, if those two organizations are non-state terrorist actors, israel and the united states and the united kingdom and france and a select few others are clearly and irrefutably state terrorist actors. and since i agree with my federal parliament on the former, i don't bother taking a lot of time arguing a position my government already holds. but as for the latter, where i staunchly disagree with my government, i have a lot to say and in fact i insist on making myself heard.

[millwad]

yo millwad who cares if nick young made up a source about the popularity of mein kamf in the occupied territories? what he has done, and what any astute and clever political tactician will invariably try to do when the facts are not on their side, is to change the conversation. now you are trying to prove that mein kamf ISNT so popular in the occupied territories. but even if it is... who cares? does that justify israeli atrocities? does it have any bearing on the political situation at hand? of course not. it's a side issue presented by our resident political fanatic to distract from important issues. in the exact same way posting 25 times about the godfather of palestinian/islamic terrorism in his other thread tries to accomplish the same feat.


bottom line : its all very disengenuous and is best ignored. nick young does say things occasionally that warrant response. this is no such case however.

The thing is, he never cites any reliable sources, every time he has linked pictures, news or articles it has been from propaganda sites. And not everyone check the sources he is linking to, some are pure muslim hating blogs, and when people read those articles or blogs, they start to believe it.

A couple of days ago he used Pamela Geller as a source, the biggest muslim hater in the world, a racist and a prick.

He use those kind of sources on daily basis, yet he is the first one to call people "anti-semitic" when they discuss Israeli foreign policies. It's not about Mein Kampf really, it is about exposing his bogus links from pure propaganda sites.

He knows that it's pure propaganda as well, regarding the "Mein Kampf"-story and Palestinians naming their kids Hitler and Rommel he never linked to the site he got it from. He knew that he would get called out for it.

[millwad]

It is not my fault that you are not able to read Arabic and are not able to translate the source material for yourself.



It is your fault for using propaganda blogs and sites as a "reliable" source, the site you got your "info" from is a propaganda site and I searched the web for that actual text and it was only found on the yahoo-forum and pro-israeli blogs.

You use propaganda and your sources are no sources.

And if you want to prove yourself, link us the source to your claim regarding Palestinians naming their kids Hitler and Rommel and show us the officials for Hamas who share the name Rommel and Hitler.

[RidonKs]

The thing is, he never cites any reliable sources, every time he has linked pictures, news or articles it has been from propaganda sites. And not everyone check the sources he is linking to, some are pure muslim hating blogs, and when people read those articles or blogs, they start to believe it.

A couple of days ago he used Pamela Geller as a source, the biggest muslim hater in the world, a racist and a prick.

He use those kind of sources on daily basis, yet he is the first one to call people "anti-semitic" when they discuss Israeli foreign policies. It's not about Mein Kampf really, it is about exposing his bogus links from pure propaganda sites.

He knows that it's pure propaganda as well, regarding the "Mein Kampf"-story and Palestinians naming their kids Hitler and Rommel he never linked to the site he got it from. He knew that he would get called out for it.
honestly i'd say he's probably the best troll on ish. he's bright enough to know when to change the topic of conversation, cynical enough not to care what he posts, funny enough to turn a serious convo into jokes, and naive enough not to understand these issues actually matter and people's lives are actually affected by arguments exactly like those he makes on this site.

at the very least, the brilliant trolling campaign nick young has made last for almost a decade now definitely deserves our admiration. if not our attention :lol

[millwad]

honestly i'd say he's probably the best troll on ish. he's bright enough to know when to change the topic of conversation, cynical enough not to care what he posts, funny enough to turn a serious convo into jokes, and naive enough not to understand these issues actually matter and people's lives are actually affected by arguments exactly like those he makes on this site.

at the very least, the brilliant trolling campaign nick young has made last for almost a decade now definitely deserves our admiration. if not our attention :lol

He's not bright, I won't write what I know about him out of respect for his integrity but there's a reason why he's spending all his time on ISH "discussing" and trolling. He didn't do good in life.

[RidonKs]

He's not bright, I won't write what I know about him out of respect for his integrity but there's a reason why he's spending all his time on ISH "discussing" and trolling. He didn't do good in life.
:roll: ooh c'mon gimme a pm at least then, im a vault i swear, wont tell a soul!

edit: tho i did say "bright enough" to troll. and u dont have to be all that bright to troll lol

[Nick Young]

lol im doing ok in life, could be doing better of course :cheers:

[RidonKs]

lol im doing ok in life, could be doing better of course :cheers:
we could all be doing better nick young. hell look at him, thumb surgery?? on his right thumb????!! could be the end of an era

but at least you keep a modest stance on yourself and don't pretend you're the shit all the time. because when people who are "doing okay in life, could be doing better of course" pretend they are god's gift to the world, they tend to lose a lot of friends and die lonely and sad.

thank god that won't happen to either of us! :cheers:

[millwad]

we could all be doing better nick young. hell look at him, thumb surgery?? on his right thumb????!! could be the end of an era

but at least you keep a modest stance on yourself and don't pretend you're the shit all the time. because when people who are "doing okay in life, could be doing better of course" pretend they are god's gift to the world, they tend to lose a lot of friends and die lonely and sad.

thank god that won't happen to either of us! :cheers:

Well said.

[Nick Young]

we could all be doing better nick young. hell look at him, thumb surgery?? on his right thumb????!! could be the end of an era

but at least you keep a modest stance on yourself and don't pretend you're the shit all the time. because when people who are "doing okay in life, could be doing better of course" pretend they are god's gift to the world, they tend to lose a lot of friends and die lonely and sad.

thank god that won't happen to either of us! :cheers:
Thanks for the advice, I dont think Im the shit though, I believe I can be the shit by the time Im 40 though if I work really hard+get lucky. Or I will just die poor, atleast I'll be able to say on my death bed I tried as hard as I could to do what I wanted.

Contrary to you peoples beliefs about me, I am constantly trying to see arguments from all sides, and I dont hold black and white world views.

I ask questions and play devils advocate alot because I want to learn different sides of issues. Sometimes I learn things, sometimes I don't. In actuality, I don't believe I know everything, that's why I always want to learn more. In actuality, I know very, very little and I accept this.

[RidonKs]

Thanks for the advice, I dont think Im the shit though, I believe I can be the shit by the time Im 40 though if I work really hard+get lucky. Or I will just die poor, atleast I'll be able to say on my death bed I tried as hard as I could to do what I wanted.

Contrary to you peoples beliefs about me, I am constantly trying to see arguments from all sides, and I dont hold black and white world views.

I ask questions and play devils advocate alot because I want to learn different sides of issues. Sometimes I learn things, sometimes I don't. In actuality, I don't believe I know everything, that's why I always want to learn more. In actuality, I know very, very little and I accept this.
your approach to "learning", at least on this website, is misguided at best. education evolves out of civil discourse, not ranting and raving and ignoring and posting big pictures and super big font statements like "arafat is a nazi" or w/e. maybe the eyes behind the screen are more perceptive than the posts we see every day... but to be honest, i highly doubt it. no offense intended, and i mean that sincerely.

[Nick Young]

your approach to "learning", at least on this website, is misguided at best. education evolves out of civil discourse, not ranting and raving and ignoring and posting big pictures and super big font statements like "arafat is a nazi" or w/e. maybe the eyes behind the screen are more perceptive than the posts we see every day... but to be honest, i highly doubt it. no offense intended, and i mean that sincerely.
thanks blud perhaps you are right and one day I will realize it and re-evaluate my methods

[SCdac]

I do remember reading that Palestinians and other Arabs did view Hitler as a liberator and he was very liked in some areas. I think he was even compared on the same level as Muhammed although that's probably an exaggeration.


Shit, just the fact that #HitlerWasRight was trending on social media THIS summer is ****ing irking and alarming.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/the-hashtag-hitlerwasright-trends-on-twitter-after-palestini#13gilo8

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28335358

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/13/twitterverse-declares-hitler-was-right/

[Nick Young]

Shit, just the fact that #HitlerWasRight was trending on social media THIS summer is ****ing irking and alarming.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/the-hashtag-hitlerwasright-trends-on-twitter-after-palestini#13gilo8

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28335358

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/13/twitterverse-declares-hitler-was-right/
media is afraid to report that as a bigger story because they will get called "islamaphobic":facepalm

[Droid101]

media is afraid to report that as a bigger story because they will get called "islamaphobic":facepalm
Yeah, the media is so afraid that there are literally dozens of sites reporting it.

:facepalm

[qrich]

Let's get this thread deleted too.

It's the fault of the Jews!!

[Nick Young]

Let's get this thread deleted too.

It's the fault of the Jews!!
not funny.

don't be a jew hater dawg. it will get you banned.

[Nanners]

not funny.

don't be a jew hater dawg. it will get you banned.

yeah, dont you people know that only muslim hate is allowed around here?

[Nick Young]

yeah, dont you people know that only muslim hate is allowed around here?
There is a difference between being hateful towards an entire group, and criticizing and commenting on a religious ideology.

Are we allowed to critique every religion EXCEPT for Islam?:confusedshrug:

You need to learn the difference of blind hate towards an entire group of people, and critique of a religious idealogy and small group of violent people, bro.

[Nanners]

There is a difference between being hateful towards an entire group, and criticizing and commenting on a religious ideology.

Are we allowed to critique every religion EXCEPT for Islam?:confusedshrug:

You need to learn the difference of blind hate towards an entire group of people, and critique of a religious idealogy and small group of violent people, bro.

yeah, cause spamming the board with photos of muslims hanging out with nazis is just a "critique of a religious ideology"

[Nick Young]

yeah, cause spamming the board with photos of muslims hanging out with nazis is just a "critique of a religious ideology"
It is ONE MUSLIM.
ONE MAN.

Amin Al-Husseini.

One man does not equal every muslim!

#NOTALLMUSLIMS

[DonDadda59]

not funny.

don't be a jew hater dawg. it will get you banned.

There's bigots and racists of all kinds who post here, openly displaying their prejudices, without any repercussions. But let someone say something negative about Jews... #ZionistAgenda#NotAllJews

[Nick Young]

There's bigots and racists of all kinds who post here, openly displaying their prejudices, without any repercussions. But let someone say something negative about Jews... #ZionistAgenda#NotAllJews
What do you have to say that's negative against Jews breh? Why do you want to say negative things against Jews so badly? Come out with it. This is a good thread to show your true colors and critique religious ideologies .:cheers:

[DonDadda59]

What do you have to say that's negative against Jews breh? Why do you want to say negative things against Jews so badly? Come out with it. This is a good thread to show your true colors and critique religious ideologies .:cheers:

That's one of my favorite past times here. I've got nothing against Jews personally. Just the fact that you can openly criticize any religion/race/gender/creed/etc no matter how ignorant or bigoted... except Jews on this site. If you post anything even remotely negative about Israel, you'll have one of the site owners go on a Godzilla scale rampage for no reason. #ZionistAgenda #NotAllJews

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.imgflip.com/cx3so.jpg


https://i.imgflip.com/cx3v3.jpg

[Nick Young]

https://i.imgflip.com/cx3so.jpg


https://i.imgflip.com/cx3v3.jpg
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[imdaman99]

https://i.imgflip.com/cx3so.jpg

#NotAllJewishWomen

I'm sure I could find sluts in every faith.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.imgflip.com/cx3so.jpg

#NotAllJewishWomen

I'm sure I could find sluts in every faith.

Why would these girls be sluts? Because their faith does not have severe restrictions on what they can or should wear?


Wake me up when a Muslim woman walks around town in a bikini or skimpy outfit and it's considered to be the norm.

[Droid101]

Because their faith does not have severe restrictions on what they can or should wear?

Word up. Clothing restrictions don't belong in a free society.



Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 22:11 Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.

[Nick Young]

https://i.imgflip.com/cx3so.jpg

#NotAllJewishWomen

I'm sure I could find sluts in every faith.
That's not slut, that's freedom:rockon:

[imdaman99]

Why would these girls be sluts? Because their faith does not have severe restrictions on what they can or should wear?


Wake me up when a Muslim woman walks around town in a bikini or skimpy outfit and it's considered to be the norm.
You couldn't find a better pic of Jewish girls? I would have coitus with 0 of them 0/4, that's worse than Lebron's finals %s. Not saying I would do any of the Muslim women either because I wouldn't :lol

How about posting what Orthodox Jewish women wear? Are there any restrictions there? Because you posted the Muslim version of orthodox gear.

[Patrick Chewing]

Just look at the ass on the one to the far left.


Praise Allah!

[tomSR.]

Millwad is in sweden..........the most shitty country in the world, where imigrants and muslims have taken over, they did not have the balls to stop it, and now it

[tomSR.]

He's not bright, I won't write what I know about him out of respect for his integrity but there's a reason why he's spending all his time on ISH "discussing" and trolling. He didn't do good in life.

what do you know about nick ? you don

[Patrick Chewing]

there is no doubt millwad is arabic or some other immigrant


He's also very obese from what I've seen.

[Nick Young]

http://static.squarespace.com/static/4f34530ecb12e336a9dfe29c/51acbaf0e4b04c1c5aad6dc5/51ae546de4b04106fcb3add5/1370379382858/Soldatesse_israeliane_nude_su_Facebook_5_941-705_resize.jpg
:banana: :banana: :banana:

[Nick Young]

You couldn't find a better pic of Jewish girls? I would have coitus with 0 of them 0/4, that's worse than Lebron's finals %s. Not saying I would do any of the Muslim women either because I wouldn't :lol

How about posting what Orthodox Jewish women wear? Are there any restrictions there? Because you posted the Muslim version of orthodox gear.
http://celebfunz.com/data/phoo/2011_04_21/esti-ginzburg-bellazon.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BEyQraI-KQQ/SxkI7CnkMII/AAAAAAAAEcs/JaHI05ji3Hw/s400/natalie-portman-cannes-17.0.0.0x0.653x912.jpeg
http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/168242.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CKLYM1adhKU/UqM7NsrTDfI/AAAAAAAB--I/t2UGLiUOWBg/s1600/Rachel-Bilson-HOT.jpg
http://www.uhstudybreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/mila-kunis-mfk.jpg
http://us.cdn001.fansshare.com/celebrity/galgadot/450_gal-gadot-mirror-2077626275.jpg
Dem Jew Girls Doe #DJGD
:bowdown:

[Patrick Chewing]

Wait, one more!


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[SCdac]

That's one of my favorite past times here. I've got nothing against Jews personally. Just the fact that you can openly criticize any religion/race/gender/creed/etc no matter how ignorant or bigoted... except Jews on this site. If you post anything even remotely negative about Israel, you'll have one of the site owners go on a Godzilla scale rampage for no reason. #ZionistAgenda #NotAllJews

So your beef is really with the people (or person) who runs this site and not with Jews in general... yet you're going to act like you have beef with Jews in general because of that? ... It's hard to discern what you're saying, or understand what you truly believe, or rather what ISH – some frickin message board – is 'causing' you to believe... You're butthurt you can't rag on Jews on this site? is that what I'm hearing

[Droid101]

You're butthurt you can't rag on Jews on this site?
Uh, he doesn't sound butthurt at all. He just seems to be pointing to the massive hypocricy of the people who run this site.

Constant misogyny, racism, and other sorts of flaming is allowed, no problem. Say one word about Jews? Super rage banhammer by Steve. Or did you not notice all the insane crap he was posting yesterday?

[Nick Young]

Uh, he doesn't sound butthurt at all. He just seems to be pointing to the massive hypocricy of the people who run this site.

Constant misogyny, racism, and other sorts of flaming is allowed, no problem. Say one word about Jews? Super rage banhammer by Steve. Or did you not notice all the insane crap he was posting yesterday?
Why do you have such a strong desire to attack Jews bro?:confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

Why do you have such a strong desire to attack Jews bro?:confusedshrug:
When and where did I say I wanted to attack Jews? I just made an observation about the moderation style of this website.

But I can see how obsessed you are if that's where your thoughts went first.

[Nick Young]

When and where did I say I wanted to attack Jews? I just made an observation about the moderation style of this website.

But I can see how obsessed you are if that's where your thoughts went first.
Im just asking questions bro, you're the one assuming things.:cheers:

[Droid101]

Im just asking questions bro, you're the one assuming things.:cheers:
No, you assumed that I had a "strong desire to attack Jews" and asked why.

Same thing as "Do you still beat your wife?" It's a loaded question.

[Nick Young]

No, you assumed that I had a "strong desire to attack Jews" and asked why.

Same thing as "Do you still beat your wife?" It's a loaded question.
No need to get so defensive bro. If you got nothing bad to say about Jews, no need to be defensive:cheers:

[Nick Young]

Let's continue to justify and deflect from the shit these organized inbred redneck islamophobes like you and 9er are putting on Islam though.

let's pretend like you care for this due to only its crime, like you would really care at all if that girl was a muslim...

let's pretend like calling everybody a muslim even if you do such a crime, let's pretend like Islam condones gangrape....

let's pretend like you are just a rational, objective perfectly benovelent human being....

Let's all become delusional ignorant islamophobes like you, patrick chewing, 9er....
It's not "that girl" asshole, in one town in England alone, it is over 1,400 girls IN THE LAST DECADE.

They were targeted BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MUSLIM.

Police knew about it FOR YEARS and refused to do anything about it, for fear of being branded ISLAMAPHOBIC.

Why is this not a problem to you?


I lived in Cairo for 2 years in highschool. I had to witness time after time, over and over again, teenage girls, 14-15 years old, girls who were my friends and classmates, get molested and groped by Egyptians, every single day, because they weren't Muslims, and the Egyptian attitude is that it's ok to treat non-Muslim girls like sex dolls, even in the middle of the day.

In many of these occassions, police guards were watching and didn't do shit. Police guards armed with assault rifles would constantly make cat calls to 14 year old girls, and tell them how they wanted to phuck them and other dirtier shit.

THEY NEVER SAID THIS SHIT TO MUSLIM GIRLS, OR GROPED AND MOLESTED THE MUSLIM GIRLS. They knew what they were doing. It is religious and racial hate crime, NOT TO MENTION SICK, that a grown ass man would do the shit I saw them do to little teenage girls.

That is why this is a big problem to me.

It is a big enough problem that they do that shit in their own countries, now they are bringing that culture of molesting little girls to Europe, and no one is doing anything about it, because PC culture has made it unacceptable to say anything at all to criticize someone who is a Muslim. Instead, it is being encouraged to allow them to do whatever they want, even rape kids in organized rape rings, because it is part of "their culture". Police are afraid to do their job, and arrest child rapists, if those rapists are Muslim.

That is not a problem to you?

I am a hateful redneck because I am speaking out against a religious culture, that in many countries tolerates its men raping little teenage girls?

[RidonKs]

thread took a real turn for the best good job fellas

rachel bilson :pimp:

[Dresta]

It's not "that girl" asshole, in one town in England alone, it is over 1,400 girls IN THE LAST DECADE.

They were targeted BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MUSLIM.

Police knew about it FOR YEARS and refused to do anything about it, for fear of being branded ISLAMAPHOBIC.

Why is this not a problem to you?


I lived in Cairo for 2 years in highschool. I had to witness time after time, over and over again, teenage girls, 14-15 years old, girls who were my friends and classmates, get molested and groped by Egyptians, every single day, because they weren't Muslims, and the Egyptian attitude is that it's ok to treat non-Muslim girls like sex dolls, even in the middle of the day.

In many of these occassions, police guards were watching and didn't do shit. Police guards armed with assault rifles would constantly make cat calls to 14 year old girls, and tell them how they wanted to phuck them and other dirtier shit.

THEY NEVER SAID THIS SHIT TO MUSLIM GIRLS, OR GROPED AND MOLESTED THE MUSLIM GIRLS. They knew what they were doing. It is religious and racial hate crime, NOT TO MENTION SICK, that a grown ass man would do the shit I saw them do to little teenage girls.

That is why this is a big problem to me.

It is a big enough problem that they do that shit in their own countries, now they are bringing that culture of molesting little girls to Europe, and no one is doing anything about it, because PC culture has made it unacceptable to say anything at all to criticize someone who is a Muslim. Instead, it is being encouraged to allow them to do whatever they want, even rape kids in organized rape rings, because it is part of "their culture". Police are afraid to do their job, and arrest child rapists, if those rapists are Muslim.

That is not a problem to you?

I am a hateful redneck because I am speaking out against a religious culture, that in many countries tolerates its men raping little teenage girls?
They just refuse to acknowledge it, probably because they haven't seen it themselves and are just naive. I've seen enough of 40-year old muslim cab drivers trying to force themselves on teenage uni girls to know this is a problem, and it's most certainly not made up.

[Dresta]

[QUOTE=Droid101]Word up. Clothing restrictions don't belong in a free society.



Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man

[kNIOKAS]

Ah yeah, that's just the same as forcing the entire female population to clothe themselves hair to toenails, while living in the middle of the ****ing desert.

Entire female population of what?

[Dresta]

Entire female population of what?
:facepalm

Islamic countries.

[qrich]

Them damn Catholic Mexicans murdered 43 students.

A damn Christian mother amputated her 11 month old daughters arms in the name of Jesus.

Damn Jews applaud Genocide and blame those who were murdered.

:applause:

[Nick Young]

Them damn Catholic Mexicans murdered 43 students.

A damn Christian mother amputated her 11 month old daughters arms in the name of Jesus.

Damn Jews applaud Genocide and blame those who were murdered.

:applause:
Genocide? Stop trivializing the word.

Less then 1,500 Palestinians died from Israeli weapons in the past decade. Many of them were actively participating human shields.

In the past year alone, over 100,000 Syrians have died in the Syrian civil war.

If Israel wanted to genocide, they would easily be able to do it, considering their military advantage. Stop spreading your Hamas propaganda, dumbass.

[qrich]

Genocide? Stop trivializing the word.

Less then 1000 Palestinians died from Israeli weapons in the past decade.

In the past year alone, over 100,000 Syrians have died in the Syrian civil war.

If Israel wanted to genocide, they would easily be able to do it, considering their military advantage. Stop spreading your Hamas propaganda, dumbass.


"I find it deeply offensive, and even blasphemous to compare the Holocaust of European Jewry during the Second World War with the mass extermination of the Armenian people during the First World War. The reason for the ruthless extermination of 6 million Jews was solely the fact that they were Jews. Period! [...] As for the extermination of the 1.5 million Armenians, here the picture is essentially different: Striving for national independence, Turkish Armenians turned toward the Russian Empire which was waging war against Turkey. For this they paid, undoubtedly, a most hefty price."

http://news.day.az/armenia/112536.html

"Turkey is and will be an ally of Israel. The talks with Turkey are understandable and even necessary from a strategic and diplomatic perspective."


Nice try buddy.

[Nick Young]

"I find it deeply offensive, and even blasphemous to compare the Holocaust of European Jewry during the Second World War with the mass extermination of the Armenian people during the First World War. The reason for the ruthless extermination of 6 million Jews was solely the fact that they were Jews. Period! [...] As for the extermination of the 1.5 million Armenians, here the picture is essentially different: Striving for national independence, Turkish Armenians turned toward the Russian Empire which was waging war against Turkey. For this they paid, undoubtedly, a most hefty price."

http://news.day.az/armenia/112536.html

"Turkey is and will be an ally of Israel. The talks with Turkey are understandable and even necessary from a strategic and diplomatic perspective."


Nice try buddy.
Why are you trying to deflect and change the subject now?:facepalm

Palestinians arent being killed because they are Palestinians dumbass. They are being killed because they have been launching multiple rockets at Israeli towns every day for the last 10 years.

They are dying, because they are choosing to stay in bomb targets that they know terrorists are hiding and weapons are being stored. This is because a sad state of affairs that brainwashes kids from a young age to think it's a cool thing to die a martyr.:facepalm


Turkey sucks, and is actively working against the US, who cares what those quotes say?

[qrich]

Why are you trying to deflect and change the subject now?:facepalm

Palestinians arent being killed because they are Palestinians dumbass. They are being killed because they have been launching multiple rockets at Israeli towns every day for the last 10 years.

They are dying, because they are choosing to stay in bomb targets that they know terrorists are hiding and weapons are being stored. This is because a sad state of affairs that brainwashes kids from a young age to think it's a cool thing to die a martyr.:facepalm


Turkey sucks, and is actively working against the US, who cares what those quotes say?

Only one deflecting here is you, which is typical from the village idiot.

Why don't you answer why Israel is defending Genocide and being hypocritical bitches?

[Dresta]

"I find it deeply offensive, and even blasphemous to compare the Holocaust of European Jewry during the Second World War with the mass extermination of the Armenian people during the First World War. The reason for the ruthless extermination of 6 million Jews was solely the fact that they were Jews. Period! [...] As for the extermination of the 1.5 million Armenians, here the picture is essentially different: Striving for national independence, Turkish Armenians turned toward the Russian Empire which was waging war against Turkey. For this they paid, undoubtedly, a most hefty price."

http://news.day.az/armenia/112536.html

"Turkey is and will be an ally of Israel. The talks with Turkey are understandable and even necessary from a strategic and diplomatic perspective."


Nice try buddy.
I remember not too long ago being called racist by left-wingers for not wanting Turkey in the EU. Don't mention it's because Turkey used its international influence to try and silence the press of another EU nation (Denmark), because Erdogan is a tyrant who refuses to pay tribute to the Armenian genocide, and refuses to give any real rights to the Kurds. But nah, people didn't want them in because it was just a conspiracy against those of colour. I have been railing against our alliances with Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan for so long now that it is infuriating to be met with arguments like 'but the US supports bla bla bla..' as if that refutes the point I am making, as if i am somehow responsible for the bad decisions and bad policy of the US government.

[Nick Young]

Only one deflecting here is you, which is typical from the village idiot.

Why don't you answer why Israel is defending Genocide and being hypocritical bitches?
I don't know why the Israeli government says or does things. Just because I'm Jewish, it doesn't mean I "have to answer" for things people in the Israeli government do or say:facepalm

Jews aren't a hive mind, dumbass.

[sweggeh]

I don't know why the Israeli government says or does things. Just because I'm Jewish, it doesn't mean I "have to answer" for things people in the Israeli government do or say:facepalm

Jews aren't a hive mind, dumbass.

So are you saying that just because you are the same religion, it doesnt mean you share the same thoughts, ideals and beliefs as them? And that it would be grossly unfair to blame or judge you for their actions? Hmm. Very interesting indeed.

[Nick Young]

So are you saying that just because you are the same religion, it doesnt mean you share the same thoughts, ideals and beliefs as them? And that it would be grossly unfair to blame or judge you for their actions? Hmm. Very interesting indeed.
Yes.

I don't think you understand the points I am trying to make. I have never said that all Muslims are murderous psychos. I don't believe that at all. I am critiquing though the religious ideology, that, no one can deny in recent times, is being used to justify a shit ton of violence and death, and repression and rape of women.

[qrich]

I remember not too long ago being called racist by left-wingers for not wanting Turkey in the EU. Don't mention it's because Turkey used its international influence to try and silence the press of another EU nation (Denmark), because Erdogan is a tyrant who refuses to pay tribute to the Armenian genocide, and refuses to give any real rights to the Kurds. But nah, people didn't want them in because it was just a conspiracy against those of colour. I have been railing against our alliances with Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan for so long now that it is infuriating to be met with arguments like 'but the US supports bla bla bla..' as if that refutes the point I am making, as if i am somehow responsible for the bad decisions and bad policy of the US government.

Erm, I don't see what any of that has to do with Israel denying Genocide and blaming the murdered?


I don't know why the Israeli government says or does things. Just because I'm Jewish, it doesn't mean I "have to answer" for things people in the Israeli government do or say:facepalm

Jews aren't a hive mind, dumbass.

Interesting. A Jewish idiot blabs nonstop and clusters together people of a specific religion, but when it comes to his own hypocritical bitch religious people, he can't answer.

[Nick Young]

Erm, I don't see what any of that has to do with Israel denying Genocide and blaming the murdered?



Interesting. A Jewish idiot blabs nonstop and clusters together people of a specific religion, but when it comes to his own hypocritical bitch religious people, he can't answer.
I am critiquing the religious ideology. People are allowed to criticize and question, Christianity, Mormonism, Scientology and other religions, but not Islam?:facepalm This is very different from saying "ALL PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THIS RELIGION ARE THIS"-I have never EVER said that.


The Armenians were genocided against, NO DOUBT. If Israeli politicians deny that genocide in order to make nice with Turkey, that is some sad shit, especially considering the origins of modern Israel. This is why I hate politics and all politicians except for ancient ones that I can read about with the benefit of hindsight.

[RidonKs]

I remember not too long ago being called racist by left-wingers for not wanting Turkey in the EU. Don't mention it's because Turkey used its international influence to try and silence the press of another EU nation (Denmark), because Erdogan is a tyrant who refuses to pay tribute to the Armenian genocide, and refuses to give any real rights to the Kurds. But nah, people didn't want them in because it was just a conspiracy against those of colour. I have been railing against our alliances with Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan for so long now that it is infuriating to be met with arguments like 'but the US supports bla bla bla..' as if that refutes the point I am making, as if i am somehow responsible for the bad decisions and bad policy of the US government.
yea and ur retarded plan to eradicate the brutal regimes from the world is probably to bomb erryone of em to smithereens. everywhere from mali to uzbekistan to, i dunno, i guess venezuela and bolivia must be high on your list at this point. or i suppose you're more inclined to wait until subsequent american administrations launch military campaigns before you throw your full weight of support behind them? that's usually a safer way for warmongers to avoid being called warmongers.

see, here's the difference between you and me. i don't give two fks about personal idiosyncratic double standards. everybody has those.

i care about the double standards of state government, particularly with regard to foreign policy, and especially on concerning acts of aggression such as the iraq war. i'm talking about the pretext used to justify a military campaign in country x being completely undermined by arms shipments to country y right next door that happens to be virtually identical.

you're so wrapped up in what other people think of you and what you think of other people and what other people should really think of other people that you miss the forest for the trees, maaaaaan. who cares if everybody on ish is a sheep. you are too. why don't u pay attention to things that matter like the arguments put forth by the obama administration, rather than things that don't like the arguments put forth by me and nanners and kniokas.

[qrich]

I am critiquing the religious ideology. People are allowed to criticize and question, Christianity, Mormonism, Scientology and other religions, but not Islam?:facepalm This is very different from saying "ALL PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THIS RELIGION ARE THIS"-I have never EVER said that.


The Armenians were genocided against, NO DOUBT. If Israeli politicians deny that genocide in order to make nice with Turkey, that is some sad shit, especially considering the origins of modern Israel. This is why I hate politics and all politicians except for ancient ones that I can read about with the benefit of hindsight.

No, you aren't criticizing an ideology. You are attacking a religion, and every member of its denomination, despite what underhanded attempt you make to try to seem objective in any sense of the word.

Criticizing the "ideology" would be going after the select few that nitpick on what to pick from their holy fairy tale book, not nitpick yourself to attack all that follow said book.

But yeah, you know, Jews are hypocritical bitches in bed with Turkey, who is in bed with ISIL.

It also isn't just the Armenians, it is the Greeks & Assyrians, which no one also talks about.

[Nick Young]

No, you aren't criticizing an ideology. You are attacking a religion, and every member of its denomination, despite what underhanded attempt you make to try to seem objective in any sense of the word.

Criticizing the "ideology" would be going after the select few that nitpick on what to pick from their holy fairy tale book, not nitpick yourself to attack all that follow said book.

But yeah, you know, Jews are hypocritical bitches in bed with Turkey, who is in bed with ISIL.

It also isn't just the Armenians, it is the Greeks & Assyrians, which no one also talks about.
Stop taking things personally. I am not "attacking an entire group of people." I am criticizing a religious ideology and the current trends that many of that religions followers are following. This "freedom of speech", if you haven't heard of such a thing, is encouraged in America, and protected by the constitution. I know right-being able to critique and question a religious ideology without being branded a blasphemer and hung to death in public-it is indeed a radical notion but that is America for you.

"Jews are hypocritical bitches in bed with Turkkey"

You do understand that the politicians in the Israeli government don't speak for and represent the ideas of all Jews, right? We aren't a hive mind dumbass.:facepalm

Do you believe in the Jewluminati too?
The Jew world order?
Do you think Jews control all the money?
Do you think we all have secret little underground meetings where we talk about screwing over gentiles and funding the next Seth Rogen movie?:hammerhead:

[Dresta]

Erm, I don't see what any of that has to do with Israel denying Genocide and blaming the murdered?



Interesting. A Jewish idiot blabs nonstop and clusters together people of a specific religion, but when it comes to his own hypocritical bitch religious people, he can't answer.
How did Israel do that? Is Israel a person?


yea and ur retarded plan to eradicate the brutal regimes from the world is probably to bomb erryone of em to smithereens. everywhere from mali to uzbekistan to, i dunno, i guess venezuela and bolivia must be high on your list at this point. or i suppose you're more inclined to wait until subsequent american administrations launch military campaigns before you throw your full weight of support behind them? that's usually a safer way for warmongers to avoid being called warmongers.

see, here's the difference between you and me. i don't give two fks about personal idiosyncratic double standards. everybody has those.

i care about the double standards of state government, particularly with regard to foreign policy, and especially on concerning acts of aggression such as the iraq war. i'm talking about the pretext used to justify a military campaign in country x being completely undermined by arms shipments to country y right next door that happens to be virtually identical.

you're so wrapped up in what other people think of you and what you think of other people and what other people should really think of other people that you miss the forest for the trees, maaaaaan. who cares if everybody on ish is a sheep. you are too. why don't u pay attention to things that matter like the arguments put forth by the obama administration, rather than things that don't like the arguments put forth by me and nanners and kniokas.What plan? I've never uttered or even implied such a plan. It is not the job of the US to police the world, and they should try to take a step back just because of how much heat they've been getting, but look how quickly the EU goes running to the United States when it starts having problems with its own borders. Whether you like it or not America is now heavily involved in world affairs, and you have to deal with realities, not idealistic dreams.

The US was already heavily involved in Iraq, it already owed a large debt to the large amount of people Bush Snr betrayed to Saddam. The US had a standing obligation to work for his removal, and it should have been carried out in 1991.
I accept that a democratic government is always going to have double standards because it is constantly and flux and riddled with contradictions - you think the cause of these double standards is moral, whereas i think it is institutional and therefore unavoidable. I don't even listen to the arguments put forth by the Obama administration because i already know that they are mendacious and propagandistic, because that is the nature of democratic politics. When Janet Yellen came out with her FED policy speech a few weeks ago, every single sentence of hers was a carefully chosen lie to attempt to distort the market in a way that will support the government and the government's propaganda. It becomes farcical when she is carefully deciding to use phrases such as the FED will keep interest rates down still for a 'considerable time' - allowing them to imply a rise in rates (a positive economic indicator) while not actually ever having to raise rates. (she even said 'considerable time doesn't mean any quantitative amount of time' it's just an unspecified amount of time to allow complete flexibility, to lie and deceive without overtly doing so - the art at the centre of modern politics.

Yet for some reason you think it is only foreign policy where these double standards lie - they are ubiquitous.

[kNIOKAS]

:facepalm

Islamic countries.
Which islamic countries...?