Could Lebron win a ring with no other all stars ?

[Real14]

This is a serious question right here. A lot of posters (some that are delusional and haters) thinks that Melo would never win a ring with a team like the current knicks. My question to the congregation is if Lebron have a team like the current knicks (that has no other all stars or all stars who have digressed from what they used to be) or a very horrible team like the magic could he win a title with them?? :confusedshrug: Be REAL with your answer. Thank you.

[Hey Yo]

No.....his first 7yrs with the Cavs proves that he can't.

[SouBeachTalents]

How many times has a player EVER won a championship without another all-star? If it's more than 5 I'd be very surprised

[JT123]

reported

[3ball]

How many times has a player EVER won a championship without another all-star? If it's more than 5 I'd be very surprised
Jordan in 1991 is the only one I know of.... Olajuwon in 1994?

[Real14]

Jordan in 1991 is the only one I know of.... Olajuwon in 1994?
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--pwx3sD-D--/tmvi08qhfq29rdfefhss.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan in 1991 is the only one I know of.... Olajuwon in 1994?

I think Barry in 1975, Hakeem in 1994, Duncan in 2003, and Dirk in 2011 as well

[3ball]

rick barry in 1978?... i think that was the year.

[SouBeachTalents]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--pwx3sD-D--/tmvi08qhfq29rdfefhss.gif

That's something no Knick fan has done at the end of the Finals in 40 years

[Real14]

rick barry in 1978?... i think that was the year.
Yea I think this is true too.

[T_L_P]

Jordan in 1991 is the only one I know of.... Olajuwon in 1994?

Duncan in 03

[3ball]

Jordan in 1991 is the only one I know of.... Olajuwon in 1994?





I think Barry in 1975, Hakeem in 1994, Duncan in 2003, and Dirk in 2011 as well


that's right... 1975... he was pretty boss.

[jimmy77x]

How many times has a player EVER won a championship without another all-star? If it's more than 5 I'd be very surprised

Dirk 2011?

[Hey Yo]

Jordan in 1991 is the only one I know of.... Olajuwon in 1994?
Just because a player isn't named to the all-star team......doesn't mean he isn't a star.

[red1]

why this knicks fan so concerned about other teams and other players. worry about your own sewage waste dumpster franchise and the clowns that play for it

[Real14]

That's something no Knick fan has done at the end of the Finals in 40 years



http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/9-knicks-heat-1999-biggest-nba-playoff-upsets.jpeg

:applause:

[G0ATbe]

He's never won a single finals game without at least 2 superstars on his team. Nuff said.

[SouBeachTalents]

Just because a player isn't named to the all-star team......doesn't mean he isn't a star.

Very true, Pippen was definitely a star by '91, he was great in the playoffs

[Real14]

Just because a player isn't named to the all-star team......doesn't mean he isn't a star.

In this case it does.

2012- HEAT ALL STARS- Lebron, Wade, Bosh
2013- HEAT ALL STARS- Lebron, Wade, Bosh

I think Lebron and Wade started both all star games right?

[Real14]

Very true, Pippen was definitely a star by '91, he was great in the playoffs

Did he played in the 1991 all star game?

[K Xerxes]

Yes, he could. As could all of the other all time greats were they to have a good enough team around them and inferior competition. People seem to be obsessed with collections of all stars or superstars as though that is the overarching barometer for championships. Sure they help a lot, but a huge component of championship teams is chemistry and coaching.

If Barry or Dirk could do it, I think 15-20 players in history could do it. Not to mention that Lebron's peak ability is in the ballpark of Duncan and maybe even Hakeem who have also done it respectively.

[SouBeachTalents]

Did he played in the 1991 all star game?

So 2014 Bosh > '91 Pippen? Got it

[Real14]

Yes, he could. As could all of the other all time greats were they to have a good enough team around them and inferior competition. People seem to be obsessed with collections of all stars or superstars as though that is the overarching barometer for championships. Sure they help a lot, but a huge component of championship teams is chemistry and coaching.

If Barry or Dirk could do it, I think 15-20 players in history could do it. Not to mention that Lebron's peak ability is in the ballpark of Duncan and maybe even Hakeem who have also done it respectively.

CAVS Lebron in 09 and 10 had 60 wins in each year. Why he couldn't get it done with them?:confusedshrug:

[Real14]

So 2014 Bosh > '91 Pippen? Got it
This has nothing to do with 2014 though, and Bosh was an all star that year anyway:rolleyes: :facepalm

[Real14]

He's never won a single finals game without at least 2 superstars on his team. Nuff said.
NOT 1.

[SouBeachTalents]

This has nothing to do with 2014 though, and Bosh was an all star that year anyway:rolleyes: :facepalm

Exactly, you said Pippen wasn't an all-star in '91, so since Bosh was last year, that must mean he was a better player right?

[T_L_P]

Unless you have a two-way anchor, I think it'd be near impossible for somebody to win without another fringe star.

Duncan and Hakeem didn't have one with them (some say Thrope was one, but I'm not so sure). Jordan, and Dirk to a lesser extent, did have one.

Though in today's East and a weak Finals opponent? Yeah, LeBron could definitely do it. He won't have the chance to now though.

[Real14]

Exactly, you said Pippen wasn't an all-star in '91, so since Bosh was last year, that must mean he was a better player right?
Like I said bro, 2014 has nothing to do with us talking about 91 pippen (year that pippen won his 1st ring) especially since Bosh became 2/4 in 2014.

[K Xerxes]

CAVS Lebron in 09 and 10 had 60 wins in each year. Why he couldn't get it done with them?:confusedshrug:

As if he wasn't the main reason they won 60 games.

I think everyone that followed them closely knew they were regular season warriors, well suited for games against opposition that wouldn't prepare diligently. I have no idea how it's possible to blame LeBron for 09 when he put up close to a 40 point triple double against Orlando. As for 10, yes he quit, but his team wasn't good enough to win a championship. The Celtics were coached and set up better, they were frankly a better built team. And even if they were to get past the Celtics, Lebron's supporting cast has been known to shrivel up when it matters most. The quality outside Lebron wasn't there. Neither was the coaching. It was reduced to LeBron or bust, and you need a system when you lack stars. That or role players getting hot which never happened to him in that time period.

[Hey Yo]

CAVS Lebron in 09 and 10 had 60 wins in each year. Why he couldn't get it done with them?:confusedshrug:
Cause he didn't have a star player.

[jzek]

No previous champion has won without at least one all star in history.

[Hey Yo]

As if he wasn't the main reason they won 60 games.

I think everyone that followed them closely knew they were regular season warriors, well suited for games against opposition that wouldn't prepare diligently. I have no idea how it's possible to blame LeBron for 09 when he put up close to a 40 point triple double against Orlando. As for 10, yes he quit, but his team wasn't good enough to win a championship. The Celtics were coached and set up better, they were frankly a better built team. And even if they were to get past the Celtics, Lebron's supporting cast has been known to shrivel up when it matters most. The quality outside Lebron wasn't there. Neither was the coaching. It was reduced to LeBron or bust, and you need a system when you lack stars. That or role players getting hot which never happened to him in that time period.
When a player puts up 27-19-10 in the playoffs, in a must win game......that's enough to show that he didn't quit.

[Smook A.]

Jesus Christ :facepalm

2014 Spurs - Leonard, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker. All these guys are all-star level players
2013 Heat - LBJ, Wade, and Bosh.
2012 Heat - LBJ, Wade, and Bosh.
2011 Mavs - Dirk had help from Jason Terry (he played like an all-star)
2010 Lakers - Kobe & Pau
2009 Lakers - Kobe & Pau
2008 Celtics - Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen
2007 Spurs - Timmy, Parker, Ginobili
2006 Heat - Wade & Shaq
2005 Spurs - Timmy, Parker, Ginobili
2004 Pistons - Billups, Hamilton, R. Wallace, B. Wallace (all all-star caliber players)
2003 Spurs - Timmy, Parker, Ginobili
2002 Lakers - Shaq & Kobe
2001 Lakers - Shaq & Kobe
2000 Lakers - Shaq & Kobe
1999 Spurs - Timmy, D-Rob
1998 Bulls - MJ, Pip, Rodman
1997 Bulls - MJ, Pip, Rodman
1996 Bulls - MJ, Pip, Rodman
1995 Rockets - Hakeem & Drexler
1994 Rockets - Hakeem & Maxwell (he played like an all-star in the playoffs)
1993 Bulls - MJ & Pip
1992 Bulls - MJ & Pip
1991 Bulls - MJ & Pip
1990 Pistons - Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, Rodman

The list doesn't stop there. I could keep going if I wanted to.

Why does it always have to be "LeBron can't do this without him" or "LeBron can't do that"... Like wtf?? Do you not understand that even the GOAT needed an all-star to win a championship? Magic needed 1, Larry needed 1. To name a few... Kobe, Shaq, Thomas, Hakeem, Timmy, Paul Pierce all needed atleast 1. Name a championship team that has won a championship without at least 2 all-star caliber players. You can't. Instead of always looking at LeBron all the time, why don't you look at some of the other all-time greats? And also I just wanted to add in something. NO im not a LeBron fan. I respect him and all. I don't like it when fans like you look at all his negatives and try to make him look bad. Grow a ****ing brain dude.

[SouBeachTalents]

When a player puts up 27-19-10 in the playoffs, in a must win game......that's enough to show that he didn't quit.

I still don't get the quit talk either. Even in that infamous Game 5, he led his team in shot attempts and went to the line 12 times. He played TERRIBLY in that game, but I don't think he quit

[#number6ix#]

Jesus Christ :facepalm

2014 Spurs - Leonard, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker. All these guys are all-star level players
2013 Heat - LBJ, Wade, and Bosh.
2012 Heat - LBJ, Wade, and Bosh.
2011 Mavs - Dirk had help from Jason Terry (he played like an all-star)
2010 Lakers - Kobe & Pau
2009 Lakers - Kobe & Pau
2008 Celtics - Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen
2007 Spurs - Timmy, Parker, Ginobili
2006 Heat - Wade & Shaq
2005 Spurs - Timmy, Parker, Ginobili
2004 Pistons - Billups, Hamilton, R. Wallace, B. Wallace (all all-star caliber players)
2003 Spurs - Timmy, Parker, Ginobili
2002 Lakers - Shaq & Kobe
2001 Lakers - Shaq & Kobe
2000 Lakers - Shaq & Kobe
1999 Spurs - Timmy, D-Rob
1998 Bulls - MJ, Pip, Rodman
1997 Bulls - MJ, Pip, Rodman
1996 Bulls - MJ, Pip, Rodman
1995 Rockets - Hakeem & Drexler
1994 Rockets - Hakeem & Maxwell (he played like an all-star in the playoffs)
1993 Bulls - MJ & Pip
1992 Bulls - MJ & Pip
1991 Bulls - MJ & Pip
1990 Pistons - Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, Rodman

The list doesn't stop there. I could keep going if I wanted to.

Why does it always have to be "LeBron can't do this without him" or "LeBron can't do that"... Like wtf?? Do you not understand that even the GOAT needed an all-star to win a championship? Magic needed 1, Larry needed 1. To name a few... Kobe, Shaq, Thomas, Hakeem, Timmy, Paul Pierce all needed atleast 1. Name a championship team that has won a championship without at least 2 all-star caliber players. You can't. Instead of always looking at LeBron all the time, why don't you look at some of the other all-time greats? And also I just wanted to add in something. NO im not a LeBron fan. I respect him and all. I don't like it when fans like you look at all his negatives and try to make him look bad. Grow a ****ing brain dude.

This dat shit that make ya soul burn slow

[Real14]

Let me be more direct with this..

I said could he win without other all stars not other all star. Big difference. Could lebron win without 2 all stars?

[Real14]

This dat shit that make ya soul burn slow
He's wrong I said all stars not all star. Some of those people had only 1 all star or less. 1994 is wrong because maxwell was not an all star that year.

[Smook A.]

He's wrong I said all stars not all star. Some of those people had only 1 all star or less. 1994 is wrong because maxwell was not an all star that year.
None of them had less than 1 all-star. All of them at atleast 1 or more. I can name a shit ton of all-star who won a championship with 2 or more all-star caliber players.

[Real14]

All star caliber type don't count either Smook. Only list Legends who can't win without 2 all stars that actually made the all star team the same year they won a ring.

[Rake2204]

I think it would depend upon the entire composition of the team for which he played. Basketball truly is a team sport, which seems like an obvious statement, but this aspect seems to be continuously overlooked. Michael Jordan is the greatest player I've ever watched play, but he needed help to win too, more than just from Scottie Pippen (John Paxson, Horace Grant, Bobby Hansen, etc.). That's the point of the game. If individuals had so much control over an outcome that the rest of the team never mattered, the game itself would struggle to persevere in its current form.

In short, guys like LeBron James and Michael Jordan will greatly influence any team they ever played on. But, depending upon nearly their entire supporting cast, that influence could mean turning a 20 win team into a 50 win playoff contender or taking a 40 win team and turning them into champions (or anything else in-between).

[Magic 32]

When a player puts up 27-19-10 in the playoffs, in a must win game......that's enough to show that he didn't quit.

Why does Lebron fans ALWAYS mention those numbers without the 41% shooting and 9 turnovers?

Not to mention the shocking lack of interest in the last 5 min. of the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXq0_IkPsAg&t=0m54s

[Real14]

Why does Lebron fans ALWAYS mention those numbers without the 41% shooting and 9 turnovers?

Not to mention the shocking lack of interest in the last 5 min. of the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXq0_IkPsAg&t=0m54s
Great points:applause:
I noticed this especially in 09 vs magic, and 10 vs celtics. Oh yea 11 vs mavs and 14 vs spurs too:oldlol:

[T_L_P]

Manu averaged 7.5/2/2 in 03.

All-Star caliber???

Parker shot 39% and averaged 3 assists. He definitely wasn't All-Star caliber either. But I guess anyone who can score 15 PPG is an All-Star, right?

[Smook A.]

All star caliber type don't count either Smook. Only list Legends who can't win without 2 all stars that actually made the all star team the same year they won a ring.
Okay.

Duncan, Ginobili, Parker - multiple times
LeBron, Wade, Bosh - 2 times
Pierce, KG, Allen - 1 time
Bird, Parish, McHale - multiple times
Kareem, Magic, Worthy - multiple times
Thomas, Dumars, Rodman - 1 time
Erving, Malone, Toney - 1 time
Hollins, Lucas, Walton - 1 time
Havlicek, Cowens, White - 2 times
Chamberlain, West, Goodrich - 2 times

There's 10.

[Real14]

Okay.

Duncan, Ginobili, Parker - multiple times
LeBron, Wade, Bosh - 2 times
Pierce, KG, Allen - 1 time
Bird, Parish, McHale - multiple times
Kareem, Magic, Worthy - multiple times
Thomas, Dumars, Rodman - 1 time
Erving, Malone, Toney - 1 time
Hollins, Lucas, Walton - 1 time
Havlicek, Cowens, White - 2 times
Chamberlain, West, Goodrich - 2 times

There's 10.
Isiah's Pistons won 2 rings tho
Duncan had one other all star not all stars in 99 and 03. So Duncan don't count.
Did Magic had two all stars on his team in 1980?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Absolutely not.

He can't even win with just an all star beside him, he needs all stars..

From 2011-2013 Lebron had the 2nd best player on the court in every single eastern conference playoff series, except for the 2013 pacers series..

There were multiple series where Lebron had the 2nd and 3rd best players on the court playing on his team.

[SouBeachTalents]

Absolutely not.

He can't even win with just an all star beside him, he needs all stars..

From 2011-2013 Lebron had the 2nd best player on the court in every single eastern conference playoff series, except for the 2013 pacers series..

There were multiple series where Lebron had the 2nd and 3rd best players on the court playing on his team.

Kobe had the best player on the court in EVERY series from 00-02

[red1]

Absolutely not.

He can't even win with just an all star beside him, he needs all stars..

From 2011-2013 Lebron had the 2nd best player on the court in every single eastern conference playoff series, except for the 2013 pacers series..

There were multiple series where Lebron had the 2nd and 3rd best players on the court playing on his team.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1iy7wdQjX1qf39wc.jpg

[Real14]

Kobe had the best player on the court in EVERY series from 00-02
Kobe had help from one all star not two tho. FACTS.

[JT123]

Kobe had the best player on the court in EVERY series from 00-02
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[rmt]

Jordan in 1991 is the only one I know of.... Olajuwon in 1994?

Duncan won with no other all stars in 1999 and 2003 and with no other all-nba in 99, 03, 05, 07.

[T_L_P]

Duncan won with no other all stars in 1999 and 2003 and with no other all-nba in 99, 03, 05, 07.

Jordan, Dirk and Hakeem did that once. Shaq, LeBron and Kobe never did that.

Duncan did it 4 times.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe had the best player on the court in EVERY series from 00-02

What does that have to do with anything?

Kobe proved multiple times that he didnt need that to win championships while Lebron has not and by the looks of things never will

[T_L_P]

What does that have to do with anything?

Kobe proved multiple times that he didnt need that to win championships while Lebron has not and by the looks of things never will

Not to mention the fact that it's not true.

Shaq was the best player for each title team, but Kobe was definitely the best player in multiple series.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe was definitely the best player in multiple series.

Good point

[k0kakw0rld]

Let me be more direct with this..

I said could he win without other all stars not other all star. Big difference. Could lebron win without 2 all stars?
He went to the finals w/ nobodies and couldn't beat a team with 3 all stars in KG Pierce Allen. Leave the man alone.

[houston]

:oldlol: @ Duncan won without an all-star. Guys it wasn't no all-star game in 99. Duncan every ring he had all-star quality help.


No player in NBA history won without at least another all-star quality player helping him to win.

[Real14]

He went to the finals w/ nobodies and couldn't beat a team with 3 all stars in KG Pierce Allen. Leave the man alone.
He brought this on himself bro:oldlol:. Stop making excuses:no:

[Real14]

:oldlol: @ Duncan won without an all-star. Guys it wasn't no all-star game in 99. Duncan every ring he had all-star quality help.


No player in NBA history won without at least another all-star quality player helping him to win.
Like I told Smook I said all stars and I also said all stars that made the all star team the same year not just all star quality players.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yep. All star is a fan based voting system. Westbrook wasn't an all star this year. How bout a team of LeBron, Dragic, Westbrook, etc? Technically no other all stars.

Even if you go beyond that, give Bron a coach like Popovich and non-all star roleplayers like the Spurs had this year, and it's def a championship caliber team.

[Real14]

Yep. All star is a fan based voting system. .
Fans vote 12 players for each conference?:biggums:

[T_L_P]

:oldlol: @ Duncan won without an all-star. Guys it wasn't no all-star game in 99. Duncan every ring he had all-star quality help.


No player in NBA history won without at least another all-star quality player helping him to win.

Yeah, obviously Robinson was All-Star quality in 99. But who else was there in 03?

6/6 Robinson?

15/3/3/39% shooting Parker?

SJAX?

7/3/3 Manu?

[houston]

Yeah, obviously Robinson was All-Star quality in 99. But who else was there in 03?

6/6 Robinson?

15/3/3/39% shooting Parker?

SJAX?

7/3/3 Manu?


Come on man Duncan still had Hof with him on that title run. My thing about all-star quality players is depends on the stage of their career or the role they playing on the team if they still contributing it shouldn't matter. Players are judge at the peak of their careers anyways.

That why no player haven't won without all-star quality teammate contributing to the squad.

[Bigsmoke]

It depends on the team around him

[Bigsmoke]

Yeah, obviously Robinson was All-Star quality in 99. But who else was there in 03?

6/6 Robinson?

15/3/3/39% shooting Parker?

SJAX?

7/3/3 Manu?

keep thinking Duncan single handedly defeated the Lakers that year.

[Sarcastic]

Just because a player isn't named to the all-star team......doesn't mean he isn't a star.


http://media.giphy.com/media/dnsEO6TxzZXWw/giphy.gif

[masonanddixon]

he could barely win in the East with two superstars. Of course he needs extensive help.

[HurricaneKid]

Isiah's Pistons won 2 rings tho
Duncan had one other all star not all stars in 99 and 03. So Duncan don't count.
Did Magic had two all stars on his team in 1980?

Duncan had 3 HoF teammates in 03. Sure, Manu wasn't at the peak of his powers but its not like TP and the Admiral didn't contribute.

Magic had the NBA MVP on his team in 1980. How many people claim ownership of a team when they have the league MVP on their team and that guy goes for 33.4/13.6 with 4.6bl on .546 in the Finals?

[HurricaneKid]

Duncan won with no other all stars in 1999 and 2003 and with no other all-nba in 99, 03, 05, 07.

To be clear in 03 its true that TD had no other all-stars on the team. HOWEVER, he had 3 HoF teammates, the best perimeter defender in the league in the last 15 years and the GOAT head coach.

The lines you guys draw sometimes are insane.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not to mention the fact that it's not true.

Shaq was the best player for each title team, but Kobe was definitely the best player in multiple series.

In 2, I'd say...

Spurs 2001 + 2002

[SOD 21]

Yes, I believe it is possible that LeBron James could win a championship without an all star next to him, if it were the right collection of players.

For example, Mike Conley at PG, Batum at SG, Lebron as SF, Ibaka at PF and Gortat at center could be good enough to win a championship with the right bench. That group probably has the right combination of offense/defense that could do it. Of course one or two of those players could become All-Stars, especially if they started winning championships, like Conley and/Ibaka.

The same could be said for a handful of other all-time great players, too.

[coin24]

Couldn't even make the finals in 09/10 with 60 win teams, that were favoured to win the title :lol
luckiky for bran the cavs are even more stacked than the heat were:oldlol:

[lilteapot]

OP is one of those goofs that get irate at people comparing Lebron to MJ yet he is measuring Lebron by MJ's standards

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yes, I believe it is possible that LeBron James could win a championship without an all star next to him, if it were the right collection of players.

For example, Mike Conley at PG, Batum at SG, Lebron as SF, Ibaka at PF and Gortat at center could be good enough to win a championship with the right bench. That group probably has the right combination of offense/defense that could do it. Of course one or two of those players could become All-Stars, especially if they started winning championships, like Conley and/Ibaka.

The same could be said for a handful of other all-time great players, too.
Good post. Repped

People always saying guys like LeBron/Kobe couldn't win without all star help, but you can have a great team without all stars.

[T_L_P]

To be clear in 03 its true that TD had no other all-stars on the team. HOWEVER, he had 3 HoF teammates, the best perimeter defender in the league in the last 15 years and the GOAT head coach.

The lines you guys draw sometimes are insane.

3 HoF teammates? Cool. None of them played like it. What does what they did much earlier and later have to do with what they did that year? Leadership? That line only works for D. Rob because Manu was a rookie adapting to basketball in the NBA and Parker was a sophomore and, quite frankly, never some kind of great leader.

Bowen was very valuable that year. Probably Duncan's best teammate on the whole.

GOAT coach? Explain, in detail, exactly what Pop did in 03 that suggests he was the GOAT... I'll tell you: he made half the squad solid defenders.

Duncan carried the offense and the 3 best defenders (Duncan, Robinson, Bowen) were already great defenders before they met Pop.

Pop was barely acknowledged until 05. GOAT in 03. :roll:

[Real14]

he could barely win in the East with two superstars. Of course he needs extensive help.
Great point:applause:

[Real14]

Duncan had 3 HoF teammates in 03. Sure, Manu wasn't at the peak of his powers but its not like TP and the Admiral didn't contribute.

Magic had the NBA MVP on his team in 1980. How many people claim ownership of a team when they have the league MVP on their team and that guy goes for 33.4/13.6 with 4.6bl on .546 in the Finals?

Were they hall of famers in 03? You people kill me stay trying to save your man lebron:oldlol: Plus Magic played with one all star in 1980 just like I said.:no:

[SouBeachTalents]

Great point:applause:

I love how you constantly shit on the east in all these LeBron threads. What does it say about the Knicks that they've won ONE series in 14 years in the same pathetic conference?

[Real14]

I love how you constantly shit on the east in all these LeBron threads. What does it say about the Knicks that they've won ONE series in 14 years in the same pathetic conference?
Somebody catching feelings:lol I don't know why you still stick up for bron tho:confusedshrug: He did your team and franchise dirty talking about not 6 not 7:oldlol:

[rmt]

Duncan had 3 HoF teammates in 03. Sure, Manu wasn't at the peak of his powers but its not like TP and the Admiral didn't contribute.

Magic had the NBA MVP on his team in 1980. How many people claim ownership of a team when they have the league MVP on their team and that guy goes for 33.4/13.6 with 4.6bl on .546 in the Finals?

Did Duncan's team mates play like all-stars or HOFers in 03? Manu was a rookie. Parker and SJax were 2nd year players, and DRob was 38 with a messed-up back.

2003 Playoffs
Duncan 24.7 pts / 15.4 rebs / 5.3 asst / 3.3 blks 52.9%
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 asst 40.3%
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 rebs 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 rebs 38.6%
DRob 7.8 pts / 6.6 rebs 54.2%

[La Frescobaldi]

Come on man Duncan still had Hof with him on that title run. My thing about all-star quality players is depends on the stage of their career or the role they playing on the team if they still contributing it shouldn't matter. Players are judge at the peak of their careers anyways.

That why no player haven't won without all-star quality teammate contributing to the squad.

Rick Barry says hello. Dirk Nowitzki is shaking his head. Dennis Johnson is laughing loudest.

Now if you are strictly talking All-Star game roster the list gets bigger i.e., Isiah Thomas, and a couple others

[La Frescobaldi]

as far as OP ? No, barring injuries, I don't think James nor anyone else in today's current league can get through a West Finals team without high-caliber teammates.

[Real14]

Rick Barry says hello. Dirk Nowitzki is shaking his head. Dennis Johnson is laughing loudest.



Speak that knowledge:applause:

[Real14]

as far as OP ? No, barring injuries, I don't think James nor anyone else in today's current league can get through a West Finals team without high-caliber teammates.
This might be true, but two all star players is still big difference. Lebron could make it happened but he just want the easy way out ever since 2010, and that's not good for basketball competition and never good for his legacy.

[Sarcastic]

as far as OP ? No, barring injuries, I don't think James nor anyone else in today's current league can get through a West Finals team without high-caliber teammates.

What about Dirk in 2011? Did that not happen?

[La Frescobaldi]

What about Dirk in 2011? Did that not happen?

didn't top-seeded Spurs have Ginobili go down to injury against Grizz that year? I may be off on that.

OK though I do get that point. That Mavs team had a magical season no doubt..... true that anything can happen in the NBA !!

[JellyBean]

No. LeBron would not win a ring with no other all-star type player on the roster.

[el gringos]

why this knicks fan so concerned about other teams and other players. worry about your own sewage waste dumpster franchise and the clowns that play for it
A pretty hypocritical thing to say coming from a Toronto fan who can't stay out of anything knick/Carmelo related. You guys all just miss bargnani too much. He's in a better place now

[NZStreetBaller]

Lebron never won a championship in cleveland and lost two final in miami with two all stars so no

[red1]

A pretty hypocritical thing to say coming from a Toronto fan who can't stay out of anything knick/Carmelo related. You guys all just miss bargnani too much. He's in a better place now
Oh yeah Bargnani. Forgot about that scrub.

[Legends66NBA7]

You guys all just miss bargnani too much.

:oldlol:

Biggest piece of garbage I read all night.

[Real14]

Lebron never won a championship in cleveland and lost two final in miami with two all stars so no
Definitely true.

[Dray n Klay]

He actually accomplished this last year :applause:



0 all-star teammates

[AirBonner]

He actually accomplished this last year :applause:



0 all-star teammates
Damn lebron must read these threads to prove them wrong. Legend :applause:

[Mr Feeny]

:roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

All star caliber type don't count either Smook. Only list Legends who can't win without 2 all stars that actually made the all star team the same year they won a ring.

:roll: :roll:

[MP.Trey]

These bumps never get old

[Hoopz2332]

:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

[ralph_i_el]

Definitely true.

:roll: :roll:

Nice Bump

[Dray n Klay]

Absolutely not.

He can't even win with just an all star beside him, he needs all stars..

From 2011-2013 Lebron had the 2nd best player on the court in every single eastern conference playoff series, except for the 2013 pacers series..

There were multiple series where Lebron had the 2nd and 3rd best players on the court playing on his team.


:lol :roll: :roll:


:hammertime: :hammertime:

[swagga]

can we just ban this idiot? pretending to be black as an asian .. just no shame :facepalm

[Jasper]

Could Lebron win a ring with no other all stars ?

NO ,,,, And neither can any other All-Star or super star in the league.

It takes at least 2-3 players to win it.

Look at Wars' they have 3 all-star players Klay ,Curry , Green , and got Durant.

They are buying their ring , but that is what franchises are willing to do.

[warriorfan]

LeBron stans got their ring, now if they could only get some *****...

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron stans got their ring, now if they could only get some *****...

Curry has his ring too, now if he could only get a vote for FMVP

[Gileraracer]

no chance

[Wally450]

Curry has his ring too, now if he could only get a vote for FMVP

Gonna suck now with Durant in town. Curry now becomes BMC.

[swagga]

Gonna suck now with Durant in town. Curry now becomes BMC.

in terms of alphaness (not basketball) that team goes like this:
1. draymond
2. livingston
3. iguadala
4. dubeta
5. cucky
6. klay thompson

In terms of basketball value in the regular season i'd go
1. dubeta
2. cucky
3. thompson
4. draymond
..

In terms of basketball value in the finals i'd go:
1. dubeta
2. draymond
3. iguadala
4. cucky
5. livingston
6. thompson

[diamenz]

Just because a player isn't named to the all-star team......doesn't mean he isn't a star.

try telling that to your boyfriend dray klay.

[Smoke117]

can we just ban this idiot? pretending to be black as an asian .. just no shame :facepalm

Nah...his stupidity is amusing.

[AintNoSunshine]

Of course not. The league's way different now. Lebron has to routinely face teams with at least 3 future HOFs in the Finals. And you expect him to beat these teams with no all stars? Are you retarded?

Durant, Westbrook, Harden.
Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Leonard x 3
Green, Cuckry, Thompson, Durant, Iguodala(FMVP) x 2