I guess we're going to act like Andrew Wiggins isn't playing tonight [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Dave3

10-07-2014, 08:14 PM

Wiggins just made a 3. It's halftime and he has 7 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 block on 1/4 shooting.
So far (summer league and college) his jumper has looked a lot better than his finishing and ability under the basket, which is a bit ironic considering most people would think such an athletic player would be a finisher who struggles with shooting.

JimmyMcAdocious

10-07-2014, 08:23 PM

Wiggins at KU was most definitely not that good a finisher unless he's dunking on people. Don't know where people made that connection unless high level athlete at the rim = naturally gifted finisher.

Smook A.

10-07-2014, 08:28 PM

Wiggins just made a nice turnaround jumper :applause:

Smook A.

10-07-2014, 08:30 PM

Andrew Wiggins' statline right now - 12 pts, 3 rbs, 2 asts, and 1 blk on 50% shooting in nearly 20 minutes of action. Not bad

Haymaker

10-07-2014, 08:40 PM

He'll get better. I think he will be kinda like TMac, it took him a couple of seasons to blossom. Whereas Parker is more NBA ready but time will tell which one will be better.

JimmyMcAdocious

10-07-2014, 09:11 PM

Wiggins looked good to me. His potential is ridiculous.

Dave3

10-07-2014, 09:12 PM

He'll get better. I think he will be kinda like TMac, it took him a couple of seasons to blossom. Whereas Parker is more NBA ready but time will tell which one will be better.
His slashes to the rim are very quick and he covers a lot of space. Additionally, his step back jumper looks like it's 1-2 years away from being absolutely a go to move - almost potentially Kobesque. He's even looked a lot more assertive tonight than almost anytime during college (obviously outside the 40 point game)

The one concern I would have would be the finishing, just because not many players come to mind when I try to think of any guys that improved their finishing dramatically throughout their career.

All in all though, the potential is obviously there. He has a poor shooting night and still puts up 18 points (2-2 on 3s and 8-10 FT), so despite most not thinking he's NBA ready, I do think he'll still be able to change a couple games even in his rookie year.

3ball

10-07-2014, 09:13 PM

kid has small hands - hurts his touch and finishing ability bigtime around the basket.

his footwork is mediocre too... he's better than perry jones though.

LilEddyCurry

10-07-2014, 09:13 PM

Where is Anthony Bennett?

robert de niro

10-07-2014, 09:20 PM

Where is Anthony Bennett?
right hip flexor strain

Dave3

10-07-2014, 09:20 PM

kid has small hands - hurts his touch and finishing ability bigtime around the basket.

his footwork is mediocre too... he's better than perry jones though.
1. Footwork? Dude's a rookie. That's like judging a 35 year old player by their athleticism. Footwork develops along an NBA player's career, rarely (if ever) before they turn 20.

2. Perry Jones? Dude's career high is 14 points and Wiggins already scored 18 in his first (preseason) game. That's like saying "Melo is better than Rudy Gay though" - it's too obvious.

JtotheIzzo

10-07-2014, 10:09 PM

Kid leads his team in scoring his first time out and people still want to shit on him.

Most scrutinized player ever.

18 points on 11 shots? Seems like can produce on this level.

Cocaine80s

10-07-2014, 10:16 PM

Kid leads his team in scoring his first time out and people still want to shit on him.

Most scrutinized player ever.

18 points on 11 shots? Seems like can produce on this level.
lol relax

Cocaine80s

10-07-2014, 10:17 PM

Btw. Wiggins>Parker. even in their rookie year

calling it now

SamuraiSWISH

10-07-2014, 10:18 PM

kid has small hands - hurts his touch and finishing ability bigtime around the basket.

his footwork is mediocre too... he's better than perry jones though.
Worse ...

Outside of his step back, has very mediocre handle, or ability to create for himself off the dribble.

This more than anything worries me. It's why I considered Jabari better.

IGOTGAME

10-07-2014, 10:20 PM

Kid leads his team in scoring his first time out and people still want to shit on him.

Most scrutinized player ever.

18 points on 11 shots? Seems like can produce on this level.

exactly. this all sounds like pure hate

Cocaine80s

10-07-2014, 10:21 PM

exactly. this all sounds like pure hate
only person in here hating was 3ball, and he hates every player not named Jordan

Dave3

10-07-2014, 10:40 PM

Worse ...

Outside of his step back, has very mediocre handle, or ability to create for himself off the dribble.

This more than anything worries me. It's why I considered Jabari better.
Even with his relatively poor handles, he can create fine, and gets to the rim really easily with how quick he moves down the center of the court or even the baseline.

RedBlackAttack

10-07-2014, 10:44 PM

exactly. this all sounds like pure hate
Comparisons to Perry Jones? Really?

Wiggins as a junior in high school was probably better than any version of Perry Jones.

I guess it was the massive hype around Wiggins coming through high school, but some people seem to have a warped view of both his potential and his current skillset. Wiggins may or may not be the next decade's young LeBron James, but he is going to have an instant impact and will be very good down the line -- one way or the other.

His shooting stroke is already vastly superior to most guys with his athleticism coming into the league. It's actually admirable that a guy with that kind of physical advantage worked on his jumper to get to this point already. Three years from now? With his mechanics, he could be an elite shooter.

Defensively, he will make a big impact right away. In transition... goes without saying.

Does he have some things to work on? Sure. But, he's still the kind of rookie who should be playing 30 minutes a night. Perry Jones has never played 30 minutes in a game in his entire NBA career.

Two different levels of prospects. At worst, I think Wiggins will be a rich man's Kawhi Leonard, and that's quite a player. Best case? Sky is the limit.

JtotheIzzo

10-08-2014, 12:30 AM

Comparisons to Perry Jones? Really?

Wiggins as a junior in high school was probably better than any version of Perry Jones.

I guess it was the massive hype around Wiggins coming through high school, but some people seem to have a warped view of both his potential and his current skillset. Wiggins may or may not be the next decade's young LeBron James, but he is going to have an instant impact and will be very good down the line -- one way or the other.

His shooting stroke is already vastly superior to most guys with his athleticism coming into the league. It's actually admirable that a guy with that kind of physical advantage worked on his jumper to get to this point already. Three years from now? With his mechanics, he could be an elite shooter.

Defensively, he will make a big impact right away. In transition... goes without saying.

Does he have some things to work on? Sure. But, he's still the kind of rookie who should be playing 30 minutes a night. Perry Jones has never played 30 minutes in a game in his entire NBA career.

Two different levels of prospects. At worst, I think Wiggins will be a rich man's Kawhi Leonard, and that's quite a player. Best case? Sky is the limit.

Exactly, the scrutiny and hate is off the charts, the kid has amazing tools, and people want to say it is all going to pot because of a high dribble.

LOL @ ISH

3ball

10-08-2014, 12:37 AM

Comparisons to Perry Jones? Really?

i said wiggins is better than jones...

the reason i initially compared wiggins to jones is because both have guard/wing-man physiques but often play more like bigs, frequently exhibiting non-guard footwork and handle.

but i think i reached too low on that comparison.

a better comparison for wiggins would be kenyon martin with a slightly better handle and better shooting potential.

is that better?

Maga_1

10-08-2014, 02:44 AM

i said wiggins is better than jones...

the reason i initially compared wiggins to jones is because both have guard/wing-man physiques but often play more like bigs, frequently exhibiting non-guard footwork and handle.

but i think i reached too low on that comparison.

a better comparison for wiggins would be kenyon martin with a slightly better handle and better shooting potential.

is that better?

:biggums:

LilEddyCurry

10-08-2014, 03:38 AM

Here are his highlights from today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6R6z2FtOXg

FrenchDude

10-08-2014, 03:46 AM

I think him leaving the Cavs was for the best.

He'll get the minutes and opportunities to really develop and showcase his skills. Good for him and for us.

Milbuck

10-08-2014, 03:50 AM

He's clearly still adjusting to the pace of the game, and learning how to deal with the physicality and contact of the NBA. There were multiple times in that game where he did that spin move he's always done...but whereas in high school or even college he would've had the physical advantage to throw it down..now he either gets his shit swatted, or fouled hard. I'm still not a fan of his ball handing or footwork..but it's not like he has nothing offensively. But it will take a while for it all to materialize into a professional skill set.

I will say though, this dude could be special defensively. Like, perennial first team all-defender special. I don't wanna add to the massive hype he's already getting..but if he develops a mean streak and takes his defensive match ups more personally a la Russell Westbrook..he could develop into one of the nastiest perimeter defenders ever.

JtotheIzzo

10-08-2014, 04:58 AM

3ball

10-08-2014, 05:05 AM

you're an idiot.
you just don't know what i'm talking about

El Gato Negro

10-08-2014, 05:13 AM

Don't forget all stats put up while playing for the wolves are empty :lol

El Gato Negro

10-08-2014, 05:16 AM

I think him leaving the Cavs was for the best.

He'll get the minutes and opportunities to really develop and showcase his skills. Good for him and for us.
Leave the cavs ? i don't see how getting traded to the worst franchise in the nba for over a decade can be good for anyone.

JtotheIzzo

10-08-2014, 05:40 AM

you just don't know what i'm talking about

I think you got that a bit twisted, carry on though, its amusing.

3ball

10-08-2014, 05:49 AM

you're an idiot
why the anger and the hate
.

Dresta

10-08-2014, 07:20 AM

He'll be an elite defensive player, but i think, not elite on the offensive end.

lilteapot

10-08-2014, 07:25 AM

why the anger and the hate
.
Probably because you're arguably the worst poster here

3ball

10-08-2014, 07:28 AM

Probably because you're arguably the worst poster here
more anger and hate stemming from insecurity about your shallow hoops acumen.. i feel for you

moe94

10-08-2014, 07:52 AM

My n*gga said Kenyon Martin :roll:

3ball

10-08-2014, 07:55 AM

My n*gga said Kenyon Martin :roll:
they run the same... their inside finishing ability, including dunking style is the same..

wiggins has better handles, better shooting potential...

that pretty much sums up wiggins - kenyon martin with a slightly better handle and better distance shooting.

the problem with wiggins is that his lack of true guard handle hurts him in his pull-up jumer game, which is non-existent... he's just a spot-up shooter with so-so touch around the rim.. actually, poor touch around the rim, just like kenyon.

sundizz

10-08-2014, 09:33 AM

Lol...Perry Jones and Kmart. What sort of nonsense is ISH on these days.

This kid is special. His ball handling is not bad. He handles the ball just fine for his position. He's not a point guard and doesn't need that Curry or CP3 handles to be effective. He needs Kobe type handles. Kobe is not a pg level ball handler either. He can do fancy moves but he sucks at running full speed end to end with the ball and making passes.

However, he has the #1 of all best handles in the halfcourt. He knows how to effectively cover 5 to 6 feet with quickness + power handles.

This is what Wiggins will do (and we can already see this). Playoffs are won in the halfcourt. He is showing two moves that are playoff tested moves - step back 2 point jumper, and a fadeaway. If he simply goes through a NBA season + 1 offseason and works on utilizing his first step quickness he'll be unstoppable on the offensive end. He has good-ish form on his jump shot. As with most volume scorers, once he gets into the rhythm of the game he'll be making shots all the time.

My prediction for the upcoming season:
36 mpg, 15.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.6 bpg and 1.7 spg on 44%

2nd season:
21 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.9 apg

3rd season:
Sky is the limit

kurple

10-08-2014, 09:34 AM

they run the same... their inside finishing ability, including dunking style is the same..

wiggins has better handles, better shooting potential...

that pretty much sums up wiggins - kenyon martin with a slightly better handle and better distance shooting.

the problem with wiggins is that his lack of true guard handle hurts him in his pull-up jumer game, which is non-existent... he's just a spot-up shooter with so-so touch around the rim.. actually, poor touch around the rim, just like kenyon.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

:coleman:

oh, did he mean Kevin?

FrenchDude

10-08-2014, 09:43 AM

Leave the cavs ? i don't see how getting traded to the worst franchise in the nba for over a decade can be good for anyone.

Kevin Love and Kevin Garnett turned out ok.
Ok KG cried his eyes out because he was in a losing situation.

Being mentored by LeBron and practice against him every day is great, sure.

But how do you expect him to develop into a star player when he's the 5th man behind LeBron, Love, Irving and Waiters?

Even superstars like Wade or stars like Bosh had to take a step back in order to play with LeBron.
If you're the number one pick in the draft with tons of potential and the need to develop your skills in order to reach that elite NBA level, then I think it's better to be one of the main player in Minnesota rather than a defensive specialist spot up shooter in Cleveland.

El Gato Negro

10-08-2014, 10:23 AM

Kevin Love and Kevin Garnett turned out ok.
Ok KG cried his eyes out because he was in a losing situation.

Being mentored by LeBron and practice against him every day is great, sure.

But how do you expect him to develop into a star player when he's the 5th man behind LeBron, Love, Irving and Waiters?

Even superstars like Wade or stars like Bosh had to take a step back in order to play with LeBron.
If you're the number one pick in the draft with tons of potential and the need to develop your skills in order to reach that elite NBA level, then I think it's better to be one of the main player in Minnesota rather than a defensive specialist spot up shooter in Cleveland.
better to get killed out west, miss the playoffs every year and develop losing habits then? you act like learning from lebron and playing in the playoffs every year would have been bad for him. also wiggins is a quite kid that dosnt like attention and in minny he will get plenty.

Darius

10-08-2014, 10:28 AM

Seems to have a good nose for the ball.

That's very important (and usually underrated).

FrenchDude

10-08-2014, 11:51 AM

better to get killed out west, miss the playoffs every year and develop losing habits then? you act like learning from lebron and playing in the playoffs every year would have been bad for him. also wiggins is a quite kid that dosnt like attention and in minny he will get plenty.

Top draft picks usually dont get to make the playoffs their first years, some of them blossom into stars/superstars.

If he truly has the potential to be a great one, I like the Minny situation better for him rather than being a glorified role player on the Cavs roster.

Like I said, learning from LeBron could have been great but I think minutes on the court and shot opportunities are more important at this stage for him.

lilteapot

10-08-2014, 01:05 PM

more anger and hate stemming from insecurity about your shallow hoops acumen.. i feel for you
Lol coming from the guy whose extent of his basketball acumen is "LAWL BUT MIKLE JRDAN IS BETTER"

Real14

10-08-2014, 02:33 PM

Game wasn't on tv:confusedshrug:

Dave3

10-08-2014, 05:11 PM

Game wasn't on tv:confusedshrug:
http://www.gifwave.com/media/13891/internet-reactions-welcome-welcome-to-the-internet_200s.gif

Real14

10-08-2014, 05:17 PM

http://www.gifwave.com/media/13891/internet-reactions-welcome-welcome-to-the-internet_200s.gif
I know that too, but I didn't catch the stream last night either:lol

Dave3

10-08-2014, 05:22 PM

I know that too, but I didn't catch the stream last night either:lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6R6z2FtOXg

Anymore requests? Maybe how to find a nearby restaurant or an alternate way to work?

PleezeBelieve

10-08-2014, 05:25 PM

4-11 and most of his points came when the game was a blowout. LOL

:roll:

PleezeBelieve

10-08-2014, 05:30 PM

This guy is 6-8 with a crazy wingspan and he settles for 20 foot jumpers. That's all you need to know. None of his buckets were impressive

Real14

10-08-2014, 05:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6R6z2FtOXg

Anymore requests? Maybe how to find a nearby restaurant or an alternate way to work?
Damn niguh is it that serious?:lol , I was saying last night I didn't catch the stream.

Dave3

10-08-2014, 05:47 PM

Damn niguh is it that serious?:lol , I was saying last night I didn't catch the stream.
I'm messing with you lol.

Real14

10-08-2014, 05:49 PM

I'm messing with you lol.
I figured lol

SexSymbol

10-08-2014, 05:51 PM

Looked very nice out there, good shooting form, the movement is fluid, didn't seem to be phased by the limelight of an NBA arena.
His defense is spectacular, like god damn is that kid good on D.

Finishing ability is suspect, but I'm not going to judge it based on one game.

One thing you can't teach is motor, and it seemed like Wiggins has a lot of it, something that I really questioned watching him play in college and from his interviews. But it seems that he really does have a certain something that champions are made of.

PleezeBelieve

10-08-2014, 06:04 PM

Real14

10-08-2014, 06:06 PM

:roll: @ that whole last paragraph :roll:
damn u must really hate wiggins don't you?:lol

G-train

10-08-2014, 06:07 PM

This guy is 6-8 with a crazy wingspan and he settles for 20 foot jumpers. That's all you need to know. None of his buckets were impressive

Clueless. As usual.

SexSymbol

10-08-2014, 06:07 PM

:roll: @ that whole last paragraph :roll:
It doesn't surprise me that you laugh at that one bit, idiots tend to laugh at things they don't understand

PleezeBelieve

10-08-2014, 06:23 PM

It doesn't surprise me that you laugh at that one bit, idiots tend to laugh at things they don't understand
You are a Euro who probably jerks off at the sight of a chiseled black man.

Me, on the other hand, is within the top 1% of the humanity foodchain. I am the definition of 1 of a kind.

SexSymbol

10-08-2014, 07:11 PM

You are a Euro who probably jerks off at the sight of a chiseled black man.

Me, on the other hand, is within the top 1% of the humanity foodchain. I am the definition of 1 of a kind.
You're so special you even have one more chromosome than most of the people!

swagga

10-08-2014, 07:16 PM

You are a Euro who probably jerks off at the sight of a chiseled black man.

Me, on the other hand, is within the top 1% of the humanity foodchain. I am the definition of 1 of a kind.

your one of a kind is one of 7 million son. That's like saying you're somebody because you beg in front of some taco store in south central. In dat 1% percentile world wide doe. Dat life. :roll:

JtotheIzzo

10-08-2014, 10:54 PM

This guy is 6-8 with a crazy wingspan and he settles for 20 foot jumpers. That's all you need to know. None of his buckets were impressive

yeah, that is why he got to the line TEN TIMES.

Keep trying, sport, your make a salient point one day.

PleezeBelieve, over a decade of posting, and not one logical post yet.

:roll:

veilside23

10-09-2014, 09:27 AM

Le Shaqtus

10-09-2014, 09:34 AM

people seem to forget who kahwi leonard is ...

i know they play on different teams / management and all ...

but remember how leonard was before he joined the league?

i know wiggins will be special if leonard was able to do it ...

too much hate on wiggins just because he isnt your lebron james clone... but i believe like what mr wiggins said.. he will make a name for himself

Leonard also plays for the Spurs and is coached by Pop, that's a big difference.

Dave3

10-10-2014, 08:33 PM

Anyone watching tonight's game? Has looked good so far. Rubio on the other hand looks really sloppy tonight.

LilEddyCurry

10-10-2014, 08:46 PM

I hope the wolves trade away Kevin Martin and JJ Barea. They need to go down the early OKC days route. Let the young guys play and develop.

Smook A.

10-10-2014, 08:51 PM

Both LaVine and Wiggins have looked good tonight

JellyBean

10-10-2014, 09:00 PM

I am impressed with Anthony Bennett...wow. The dude is playing well.

La Frescobaldi

10-10-2014, 09:10 PM

I am impressed with Anthony Bennett...wow. The dude is playing well.
Pekovic looks out of shape. He better get the work in or he's gonna be seeing some DNP again

JellyBean

10-10-2014, 09:15 PM

56-51 Timberwolves at the half. Bennett is looking sweet on the boards, especially the offensive rebounding area. Lavine is aggressive and that is a good thing. The Timberwolves are going to be fun to watch this season.

Dave3

10-10-2014, 09:16 PM

Pekovic looks out of shape. He better get the work in or he's gonna be seeing some DNP again
They mentioned that he's not in shape yet yeah.

JellyBean

10-10-2014, 09:18 PM

Pekovic looks out of shape. He better get the work in or he's gonna be seeing some DNP again

Yeah. He is looking slow and sluggish. He better step it up.

La Frescobaldi

10-10-2014, 09:20 PM

Yeah. He is looking slow and sluggish. He better step it up.
Mo Williams tho!! This team's gonna be pretty good maybe

protox

10-10-2014, 09:21 PM

How can people say Wiggins looks good out there when it's against the Philly?

LilEddyCurry

10-10-2014, 09:53 PM

Anthony Bennett is looking good. This must be one of the best trades giving away a star player. Wolves got Wiggins, Bennett and Young :applause:

hawksdogsbraves

10-10-2014, 09:54 PM

people seem to forget who kahwi leonard is ...

i know they play on different teams / management and all ...

but remember how leonard was before he joined the league?

i know wiggins will be special if leonard was able to do it ...

too much hate on wiggins just because he isnt your lebron james clone... but i believe like what mr wiggins said.. he will make a name for himself

What is your logic here? Wiggins had similar stats to Leonard in college so he will be just as good?

Michael Beasley put up 26/12 in college he should probably be the best player in the whole league then right?

KevinDurant35

10-10-2014, 10:03 PM

Got a stat line on Wiggins?

Burgz V2

10-11-2014, 02:06 AM

Got a stat line on Wiggins?

11 pts on 5/10, 1/1 from 3, 3 rbs, 2 stls, in 29 mins

and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecm_OUYWrss

Burgz V2

10-11-2014, 02:07 AM

full highlights against 76ers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hSNitRyHPY

PleezeBelieve

10-11-2014, 02:37 AM

full highlights against 76ers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hSNitRyHPY
Not impressive at all :roll:

SyRyanYang

10-11-2014, 05:34 AM

Not impressive at all :roll:

I didn't see anyone saying it was?:confusedshrug:

JtotheIzzo

10-11-2014, 07:37 AM

I didn't see anyone saying it was?:confusedshrug:

I thought it was impressive, he scored in many different ways:

-three pointer
-alley oop
-and-1 inside
-offensive rebound and put back (really on the driving layup where he was fouled, kid has a good habit of staying for the board and not floating away from the hoop on drives)

he's causing problems on the defensive end, he's posting up, he's dribbling and dishing, showing a lot of tools for a 19 y.o.

Dave3

10-11-2014, 08:36 AM

I thought it was impressive, he scored in many different ways:

-three pointer
-alley oop
-and-1 inside
-offensive rebound and put back (really on the driving layup where he was fouled, kid has a good habit of staying for the board and not floating away from the hoop on drives)

he's causing problems on the defensive end, he's posting up, he's dribbling and dishing, showing a lot of tools for a 19 y.o.
Exactly. He's shown he can do pretty much everything when he gets the ball, doesn't force things too much (has his head up for the pass even on drives) and his jumpers have pretty good form/consistency. Almost to the point where I expect his step back 20 footer to go in rather than not - which is saying a lot for a rookie.

Would love to see him get the ball a bit more often like in the first game, but so far he's looked pretty good. His ball handling which was a weakness throughout college hasn't been as exposed in NBA games due to the spacing (like a lot of people were predicting) so if he tightens that even a little bit, it should be no problem.