Knicks Will Be Better Than The Heat This Season

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Barring injuries to key players the Knicks will win the season series vs. the Heat, finish with a better overall season record, or both. It will mpst certainly will be close. Personally id rather the Knicks tank considering the rare circumstance that this season we are not the New York NoPicks and we should have Jahill Okafor on our radar. However lets examine the teams:

PG: Chalmers vs Calderon
Advantage: Knicks
Chalmers doesnt really excell at any aspect of the game and is probably overall average at best for a starting point guard in this league. He wouldnt start on most teams.
Calderon on the other hand posesses a multitude of skills including superior court awareness, high bball iq and floor generalship, upper echelon ball handling ability along with strength in his 3 point accuracy. He is a turnstyle on defense, but he atleast excells in other areas of the floor.

SG: Wade vs JR Smith
Advantage: Even
This would sound like a joke a year or two ago, but with Dwyane Wades declining athleticism, shakey knees and a stagnant skillset that he hasnt added to in years to compensate for his decreasing athletic ability...this may not be astretch. As immature and erratic JR may be, at this point he posesses a wider range of offensive skills than Wade does. JR at 28 years of age still flys for highlight dunks, can cross over a defender and finish at the rim and ofcourse can shoot it from anywhere. Wade on the other hand still relies on a slasher type of game that he can no longer be prolific with especially considering he has never developed a strong jumper. With Wades defense declining as well due to limitations in his laterall quickness, this overall matchup is a wash.

SF: Deng/Granger vs Melo
Advantage: Knicks
Self explanatory....

PF: Bosh vs Bargnani (or Amare)
Advantage: Heat
Regardless of who the Knicks throw out there, Bosh has the advantage in this battle. He may have shyed away from post play in recent years, but hes still one of the most offensively versatile PFs in the league and has proven to be an above average rebounder when he is not constantly kept on the perimieter by coaches named Spoelstra.

Center: Birdman vs Dalembert/Jason Smith
Advantage: Knicks
While the Birdman certainly provides energy, blocks and solid help defense he is neither a solid rebounder, man to man defender (against true centers), or an offensive threat.

[Human Error]

How is Wade vs JR Smith a wash? Wade in the worst possible scenario is still a top 30 player in the NBA in '14-15. When everytime the Bulls fans or the Lakers fans come up with idiotic things, the Knicks fans show how it's done. :facepalm

[lilteapot]

Comparing starting lineups is like the worst way to judge which team is better.

[oti]

Comparing starting lineups is like the worst way to judge which team is better.

This

and even if you compare them , Heat's starting lineup is waaay better. Calderon/Smith/Melo/Amare/Bargs is probably the worst defensive team ever

[Genaro]

I stop reading after this

SG: Wade vs JR Smith
Advantage: Even

[NewYorkNoPicks]

How is Wade vs JR Smith a wash? Wade in the worst possible scenario is still a top 30 player in the NBA in '14-15. When everytime the Bulls fans or the Lakers fans come up with idiotic things, the Knicks fans show how it's done. :facepalm

Read before you speak, everything i said is logical. You simply read the word "even" and didnt read further

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Ill make it simple for the retards who wont read:

Wade: bad knees
Losing atheticism
His entire game depends on athleticism
Never added to his game to compensate for declining athleticism like Kobe or Mike did
Defense declining due to lack of explosiveness, reduced lateral movement

[Warfan]

A declining wade is still a better player than JR fukking Smith. He's an absolute moron and a chucker, the only thing you can bet on him doing during the playoffs is shooting 30% and partying.

[swagga]

Barring injuries to key players the Knicks will win the season series vs. the Heat, finish with a better overall season record, or both. It will mpst certainly will be close. Personally id rather the Knicks tank considering the rare circumstance that this season we are not the New York NoPicks and we should have Jahill Okafor on our radar. However lets examine the teams:

PG: Chalmers vs Calderon
Advantage: Knicks
Chalmers doesnt really excell at any aspect of the game and is probably overall average at best for a starting point guard in this league. He wouldnt start on most teams.
Calderon on the other hand posesses a multitude of skills including superior court awareness, high bball iq and floor generalship, upper echelon ball handling ability along with strength in his 3 point accuracy. He is a turnstyle on defense, but he atleast excells in other areas of the floor.

SG: Wade vs JR Smith
Advantage: Even
This would sound like a joke a year or two ago, but with Dwyane Wades declining athleticism, shakey knees and a stagnant skillset that he hasnt added to in years to compensate for his decreasing athletic ability...this may not be astretch. As immature and erratic JR may be, at this point he posesses a wider range of offensive skills than Wade does. JR at 28 years of age still flys for highlight dunks, can cross over a defender and finish at the rim and ofcourse can shoot it from anywhere. Wade on the other hand still relies on a slasher type of game that he can no longer be prolific with especially considering he has never developed a strong jumper. With Wades defense declining as well due to limitations in his laterall quickness, this overall matchup is a wash.

SF: Deng/Granger vs Melo
Advantage: Knicks
Self explanatory....

PF: Bosh vs Bargnani (or Amare)
Advantage: Heat
Regardless of who the Knicks throw out there, Bosh has the advantage in this battle. He may have shyed away from post play in recent years, but hes still one of the most offensively versatile PFs in the league and has proven to be an above average rebounder when he is not constantly kept on the perimieter by coaches named Spoelstra.

Center: Birdman vs Dalembert/Jason Smith
Advantage: Knicks
While the Birdman certainly provides energy, blocks and solid help defense he is neither a solid rebounder, man to man defender (against true centers), or an offensive threat.

I'm saying this as an older knick fan:
son, lay off the pipe. I mean it.

[NZStreetBaller]

Jr smith is great when he's in his zone but he's absolute crap when he's not. And hes only hits his zone like 10 games a season

[RRR3]

J.R. Smith isn't 1/100th the player Wade is (and Wades past his prime) are you serious Op?

[Nash]

Chalmers < Calderon
Wade > Smith
Deng < Melo
McRoberts > Bargnani
Bosh > Dalembert

[PJR]

Knicks fans always bring the Lulz this time of the year.

[DukeDelonte13]

Maybe Wade will be better than JR at the beginning of the season, but towards the end when Wade's knees start filling up like water balloons JR will be the more effective player. Who knows? :confusedshrug:

JR is going to JR, but if Wade stays healthy no way is JR going to have the same impact.

[ballup]

I think people have been watching too much Deadliest Warrior

[Le Shaqtus]

SG is easily Wade, J.R can easily screw the Knicks out of the playoffs by himself with the way he plays, he's just self destructive.

[Bigsmoke]

The Heat still a group of players that at least tasted success.

I think the fact that they have something to prove is why I they will do better this year.

[Jailblazers7]

The defense for that Knicks starting 5 is going to be painful to watch. They have 3 subpar defenders at the 3 deepest positions in the league. I think Melo will be better with a new scheme and a little more help but it is going to be nearly impossible to hide Calderon without a plus defender on the perimeter and Bargs is going to have trouble guarding most 4's in the East.

I don't like their chance of being a top 4-5 team in the East when you combine their D with the fact that they are implementing a new offense (with a steep learning curve) with a group that doesn't have much experience playing together under a rookie head coach.

[HOoopCityJones]

Lol, no.

[MellowYellow]

Knicks have Melo, Heat don't. That is simply what it boils down to. Neither Wade nor Bosh are capable of leading a team to HCA....even in the east.

[PJR]

Knicks have Melo, Heat don't. That is simply what it boils down to. Neither Wade nor Bosh are capable of leading a team to HCA....even in the east.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2014.html


:roll:

[lilteapot]

Knicks have Melo, Heat don't. That is simply what it boils down to. Neither Wade nor Bosh are capable of leading a team to HCA....even in the east.

What does this even mean? Knicks had Melo last season and it meant **** all.

[MellowYellow]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2014.html


:roll:

Younger deeper team, with no offseason secret knee surgeries. I don't expect the beginning of the season to go as badly this year. What they did during the Phil Jackson era is more what I expect. (they went 16-5 when he got there)

[MellowYellow]

What does this even mean? Knicks had Melo last season and it meant **** all.
Ya, but everything else that could possibly go wrong last year did. Last season was worst case scenario outside of a major injury to Melo, and they STILL almost made the playoffs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

SG: Wade vs JR Smith
Advantage: Even
This would sound like a joke a year or two ago
True. And it still does.

[PJR]

Younger deeper team

:roll:

Knick fan gonna Knick fan

[NugzFan]

Comparing starting lineups is like the worst way to judge which team is better.

Yup but it's the only way a knick fan can manipulate the facts to justify this stupid thread.

[MellowYellow]

Yup but it's the only way a knick fan can manipulate the facts to justify this stupid thread.

Nah, we just don't wanna hurt your feelings.... the heat could only dream of having a guy like Hardaway Jr. coming off the bench.

[Patrick Chewing]

How is Wade vs JR Smith a wash? Wade in the worst possible scenario is still a top 30 player in the NBA in '14-15. When everytime the Bulls fans or the Lakers fans come up with idiotic things, the Knicks fans show how it's done. :facepalm


There are not 30 superstars in the NBA.


So Yeahhhhhh you could argue that a starting J.R. Smith under the tutelage of Jackson/Fisher is Top 30.

[outbreak]

The defense for that Knicks starting 5 is going to be painful to watch. They have 3 subpar defenders at the 3 deepest positions in the league. I think Melo will be better with a new scheme and a little more help but it is going to be nearly impossible to hide Calderon without a plus defender on the perimeter and Bargs is going to have trouble guarding most 4's in the East.

I don't like their chance of being a top 4-5 team in the East when you combine their D with the fact that they are implementing a new offense (with a steep learning curve) with a group that doesn't have much experience playing together under a rookie head coach.

Who will the knicks starting 5 be this season?

Calderon
Jr Smith
Melo
Stoudmire
Bargnani


Or will they start Dalembert? Either way you can make a case for one of the worst defensive starting fives in the league if it's something like above. I don't think they will be dire because they have a strong offence but the defence could be painful

[PJR]

So Yeahhhhhh you could argue that a starting J.R. Smith under the tutelage of Jackson/Fisher is Top 30.

:roll: :roll: :biggums:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

JR Smith is equal to Dwyane Wade? GTFO. Heat are better.

[Mass Debator]

Wade could take JR to the post every time and score 3/4 times without double team.

[outbreak]

Wade could take JR to the post every time and score 3/4 times without double team.

But could Wade take on JR AND his brother?

[Legends66NBA7]

Knicks and Heat both have older squads, but you still give the Heat the benefit of the doubt. Smith and Wade being equal would probably mean Smith is in Top 3-5 SG discussion and he's clearly not.

Plus having Spoelstra is better than having a rookie head coach in Fisher.

[Mass Debator]

But could Wade take on JR AND his brother?
yea

[MellowYellow]

Knicks and Heat both have older squads, but you still give the Heat the benefit of the doubt. Smith and Wade being equal would probably mean Smith is in Top 3-5 SG discussion and he's clearly not.

Plus having Spoelstra is better than having a rookie head coach in Fisher.

Wade is only to 3-5sg when healthy, but he is never healthy so it doesn't matter if he is better than JR if he isn't playing/playing hurt. That is why this matchup is a wash.

[Smoke117]

Barring injuries to key players the Knicks will win the season series vs. the Heat, finish with a better overall season record, or both. It will mpst certainly will be close. Personally id rather the Knicks tank considering the rare circumstance that this season we are not the New York NoPicks and we should have Jahill Okafor on our radar. However lets examine the teams:

PG: Chalmers vs Calderon
Advantage: Knicks
Chalmers doesnt really excell at any aspect of the game and is probably overall average at best for a starting point guard in this league. He wouldnt start on most teams.
Calderon on the other hand posesses a multitude of skills including superior court awareness, high bball iq and floor generalship, upper echelon ball handling ability along with strength in his 3 point accuracy. He is a turnstyle on defense, but he atleast excells in other areas of the floor.

SG: Wade vs JR Smith
Advantage: Even
This would sound like a joke a year or two ago, but with Dwyane Wades declining athleticism, shakey knees and a stagnant skillset that he hasnt added to in years to compensate for his decreasing athletic ability...this may not be astretch. As immature and erratic JR may be, at this point he posesses a wider range of offensive skills than Wade does. JR at 28 years of age still flys for highlight dunks, can cross over a defender and finish at the rim and ofcourse can shoot it from anywhere. Wade on the other hand still relies on a slasher type of game that he can no longer be prolific with especially considering he has never developed a strong jumper. With Wades defense declining as well due to limitations in his laterall quickness, this overall matchup is a wash.

SF: Deng/Granger vs Melo
Advantage: Knicks
Self explanatory....

PF: Bosh vs Bargnani (or Amare)
Advantage: Heat
Regardless of who the Knicks throw out there, Bosh has the advantage in this battle. He may have shyed away from post play in recent years, but hes still one of the most offensively versatile PFs in the league and has proven to be an above average rebounder when he is not constantly kept on the perimieter by coaches named Spoelstra.

Center: Birdman vs Dalembert/Jason Smith
Advantage: Knicks
While the Birdman certainly provides energy, blocks and solid help defense he is neither a solid rebounder, man to man defender (against true centers), or an offensive threat.


http://cdn.niketalk.com/6/6d/200x200px-ZC-6da926df_black-guy-laughing-on-boat-gif.gif

[NugzFan]

Nah, we just don't wanna hurt your feelings.... the heat could only dream of having a guy like Hardaway Jr. coming off the bench.

Hurt who's feelings?

[LongLiveTheKing]

Lmao Knicks are MAYBE barely going to sneak into the playoffs. Heat will be top 4 at worst.

[HomieWeMajor]

Bobby Shmurda's got Knicks fans talking crud.

[HomieWeMajor]

Wade can just tap JR Smith on the shoulder then hide and he will not have to deal with JR for the next 48 minutes.

[MellowYellow]

Hurt who's feelings?

Heat stans/d-riders like you.

[Eric Cartman]

Calderon and Chalmers is a wash.

[aj1987]

Wade is only to 3-5sg when healthy, but he is never healthy so it doesn't matter if he is better than JR if he isn't playing/playing hurt. That is why this matchup is a wash.
Injured broken down Wade >>> JR Smith.


Wade can just tap JR Smith on the shoulder then hide and he will not have to deal with JR for the next 48 minutes.
:roll:


Heat stans/d-riders like you.
TEAM stan? :oldlol:

[redrich2000]

Without suggesting whether or not he's better than Wade, people should remember what JR is capable of when his head is right:

80 0 33.5 .422 .356 .762 5.3 2.7 1.3 .3 18.1

Last season the entire team was dysfunctional.

[Smoke117]

Without suggesting whether or not he's better than Wade, people should remember what JR is capable of when his head is right:

80 0 33.5 .422 .356 .762 5.3 2.7 1.3 .3 18.1

Last season the entire team was dysfunctional.

You post that like it's impressive or something...his best season isn't even as good as Wade's rookie season.

[MellowYellow]

You post that like it's impressive or something...his best season isn't even as good as Wade's rookie season.

But JR can shoot, and Ill take that all day over someone thats a career 29% 3pt shooter with bad knees.

[aj1987]

But JR can shoot, and Ill take that all day over someone thats a career 29% 3pt shooter with bad knees.
Are you 3ball's alt or some shit? :facepalm

[RRR3]

But JR can shoot, and Ill take that all day over someone thats a career 29% 3pt shooter with bad knees.
Wade doesn't need to shoot threes, since he's still a very good slasher and post player. He can shoot midrange js too. Wade is still good for 20+ PPG on 50-55%. Jr isn't touching that.

[Real14]

Hurt who's feelings?
yours

[IllegalD]

http://i.imgur.com/2ift2Zf.jpg

[JT123]

http://i.imgur.com/2ift2Zf.jpg
:roll: Fisher's soul is already dying.

[Real14]

:roll: Fisher's soul is already dying.
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