Lebron James is getting too much credit for going back to Cleveland

[hihofink]

Sorry for another Lebron thread, but this morning I got in an argument with a nonchalant NBA fan. He said something I have heard at least 20 times this summer and it starting to annoy me.

"I'm impressed with Lebron James. Him going back to Cleveland is very classy. I have respect for him again. Really like the move."

And all I could think is, Lebron left Miami for a better team, not because he owed it to Cleveland. The reality is Wade is breaking down and will be 33 this season. Bosh had his worst statistical season since his rookie year. The rest of Miami's role players were also breaking down and aging. He knew they would only be worse the upcoming season.

Cleveland has more talent, younger legs, and more room for growth. I think any NBA expert, would take this Cleveland team over Miami's team this season with Lebron.

So let's be real, if Cleveland didn't have all this young talent Lebron would not have signed. He signed there mainly because they give him a better team.

[JT123]

28 posts in 8 years? Who's alt is this? :biggums:
To answer your question, let's not act like Lebron couldn't have to gone to several teams that are much better than the Cavs. The Clippers, Rockets, hell even the Suns would have been better. The Cavs haven't made one playoff appearance since he left, and if he hadn't come back they likely wouldn't be making one this year either. You think Love, Miller, and Marion are going to the Cavs without Lebron on the roster? :roll:
Was Lebron attracted to the young talent, sure he was. But lets stop acting like the Cavs were the best option available as far as winning now, because they weren't even top 5 in all honesty.

[Mass Debator]

Forreal. He just wanted more jersey sells, more money, more attention, more control of an organization, more number 1 pick teammates, and for the city not to be turned over to Wiggins/Johnny Football and become an insecure nobody.

Oh well, I think it was the right move. :D

[Warfan]

I'm sure part of it was wanting to go back home, but yes going to the cavs was a better career move for him than staying in Miami. Everything fell in to place really with the cavs getting #1 pick again, being able to get Love who lebron recruited and was pretty much guranteed to come once bron decided to go back.

I see u don't post on ish much, but I'm sure this sentiment has been held at least on here for the most part, I've even seen it expressed on espn which was quite surprising considering their track record of sucking brons d. All in all, it made for a good story and now bron has another great cast around him, the first time he has had one in cleveland.

[Beastmode88]

28 posts in 8 years? Who's alt is this? :biggums:
To answer your question, let's not act like Lebron couldn't have to gone to several teams that are much better than the Cavs. The Clippers, Rockets, hell even the Suns would have been better. The Cavs haven't made one playoff appearance since he left, and if he hadn't come back they likely wouldn't be making one this year either. You think Love, Miller, and Marion are going to the Cavs without Lebron on the roster? :roll:
Was Lebron attracted to the young talent, sure he was. But lets stop acting like the Cavs were the best option available as far as winning now, because they weren't even top 5 in all honesty.

The west...? :roll: Bran would not be caught dead there.

[lilteapot]

OP your opinions are truly groundbreaking and unprecedented

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Do you people not get sick of making thd exact same threads over and over again?

[HiphopRelated]

28 posts in 8 years? Who's alt is this? :biggums:
To answer your question, let's not act like Lebron couldn't have to gone to several teams that are much better than the Cavs. The Clippers, Rockets, hell even the Suns would have been better. The Cavs haven't made one playoff appearance since he left, and if he hadn't come back they likely wouldn't be making one this year either. You think Love, Miller, and Marion are going to the Cavs without Lebron on the roster? :roll:
Was Lebron attracted to the young talent, sure he was. But lets stop acting like the Cavs were the best option available as far as winning now, because they weren't even top 5 in all honesty.
1. Lebron was never going West

2. Cavs is the only team that can fit his crafted(i.e. bullshit) narrative. Any other squad and the media would have jumped on him for leaving a team that went to 4 Finals.

[JT123]

The west...? :roll: Bran would not be caught dead there.
Why not? He would have teammates that were 10 times better than any he's ever had in his career. :wtf:
But I guess we are just gonna pretend that any Western team he went to wouldn't become the instant Championship favorite. :hammerhead:

[Heavincent]

Why not?

He would actually have to play good teams in the first and second rounds.

[pauk]

Sorry for another Lebron thread, but this morning I got in an argument with a nonchalant NBA fan. He said something I have heard at least 20 times this summer and it starting to annoy me.

"I'm impressed with Lebron James. Him going back to Cleveland is very classy. I have respect for him again. Really like the move."

And all I could think is, Lebron left Miami for a better team, not because he owed it to Cleveland. The reality is Wade is breaking down and will be 33 this season. Bosh had his worst statistical season since his rookie year. The rest of Miami's role players were also breaking down and aging. He knew they would only be worse the upcoming season.

Cleveland has more talent, younger legs, and more room for growth. I think any NBA expert, would take this Cleveland team over Miami's team this season with Lebron.

So let's be real, if Cleveland didn't have all this young talent Lebron would not have signed. He signed there mainly because they give him a better team.

Are you ***ing serious?

Cavs since Lebrons departure:

2010 - 19 wins, 63 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - 21 wins, 45 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is there.
2012 - 24 wins, 58 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there.
2013 - 33 wins, 49 losses, missed playoffs, 5th worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there doing his thing.

Miami with Lebron during those 4 years had 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 championships......

He really went to a better team huh?

2014 Cavs = Same exact team as previously, with an addition of Kevin "empty stats" (as you guys call him) Love (and he wasnt doing so extremly much better than Kyrie/Cavs either)..... these guys would get probably a couple more wins and probably still miss the playoffs anyways... in the EAST........

The only thing that will make this team reach ANYTHING this season is due to a certain GOAT level impact of a certain guy called Lebron James...... Infact, you can place today Lebron on the 15 win-67 loss Milwaukee Bucks and they WILL immediately become a playoff team and if teams cant stop his 1 on 5 one man offense in the playoffs he might even take them to the Finals..... am i delusional or did i just simply see him do stuff like take the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals?

Hell see how well Miami does this season without him compared to Cavs..... and please keep the excuses away "Wade is old, bla bla bla", STOP, they simply dont have Lebron..... Cavs do.... and thats why they will be better only because of him, immediately....

[chazzy]

Infact, you can place today Lebron on the 15 win-67 loss Milwaukee Bucks and they WILL immediately become a playoff team and if teams cant stop his 1 on 5 one man offense in the playoffs he might even take them to the Finals..... am i delusional or did i just simply see him do stuff like take the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals?

Did last year's Bucks have a top 5 defense? Oh wait, they were the 30th. Not like the 07 Cavs at all

they simply dont have Lebron..... Cavs do.... and thats why they will be better only because of him, immediately....
Yeah, let's just ignore Kevin f'n Love, Marion, Miller, subtracting Mike Brown and adding Blatt, improvement of their young core, and possible differences in durability of their players. ONLY LEBRON. Shut the pauk up

[Mass Debator]

Without Lebron, even Love and Kyrie can take this team past the first round :lol STACKED quit lying to yourself

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron went back to Cleveland?

[3ball]

Any bashing of OP is not warranted - OP is stating the obvious because the obvious is getting overlooked in favor of the "Charitable Lebron Goes Back Home" narrative.

[3ball]

OP is 100% correct.

Lebron flat-out skips the player development stages that young supporting casts go through, along with the ups and downs of having tenure with a team, and instead gets to immediately play with established, veteran, all-stars..

It's like using a cheat code to skip levels.

His natural style of playing the game can be suboptimal and less adjustable at times, so he can't build a team FROM SCRATCH in his image and win at the highest level.

Instead, in order to win, he must team-hop to whoever has the very best talent - ALL of his championships will be won this way.

Indeed, the Cavs are the only team in the league with 3 all-stars..

Do you really respect someone that used a cheat code to skip levels, compared to other competitors that beat the game straight up by going through ALL the stages that build towards a championship?

[JT123]

Are you ***ing serious?

Cavs since Lebrons departure:

2010 - 19 wins, 63 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - 21 wins, 45 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is there.
2012 - 24 wins, 58 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there.
2013 - 33 wins, 49 losses, missed playoffs, 5th worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there doing his thing.

Miami with Lebron during those 4 years had 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 championships......

He really went to a better team huh?

2014 Cavs = Same exact team as previously, with an addition of Kevin "empty stats" (as you guys call him) Love (and he wasnt doing so extremly much better than Kyrie/Cavs either)..... these guys would get probably a couple more wins and probably still miss the playoffs anyways... in the EAST........

The only thing that will make this team reach ANYTHING this season is due to a certain GOAT level impact of a certain guy called Lebron James...... Infact, you can place today Lebron on the 15 win-67 loss Milwaukee Bucks and they WILL immediately become a playoff team and if teams cant stop his 1 on 5 one man offense in the playoffs he might even take them to the Finals..... am i delusional or did i just simply see him do stuff like take the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals?

Hell see how well Miami does this season without him compared to Cavs..... and please keep the excuses away "Wade is old, bla bla bla", STOP, they simply dont have Lebron..... Cavs do.... and thats why they will be better only because of him, immediately....http://www.horsenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/anigif_enhanced-buzz-25256-1340293825-2.gif

[poido123]

Are you ***ing serious?

Cavs since Lebrons departure:

2010 - 19 wins, 63 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - 21 wins, 45 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is there.
2012 - 24 wins, 58 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there.
2013 - 33 wins, 49 losses, missed playoffs, 5th worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there doing his thing.

Miami with Lebron during those 4 years had 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 championships......

He really went to a better team huh?

2014 Cavs = Same exact team as previously, with an addition of Kevin "empty stats" (as you guys call him) Love (and he wasnt doing so extremly much better than Kyrie/Cavs either)..... these guys would get probably a couple more wins and probably still miss the playoffs anyways... in the EAST........

The only thing that will make this team reach ANYTHING this season is due to a certain GOAT level impact of a certain guy called Lebron James...... Infact, you can place today Lebron on the 15 win-67 loss Milwaukee Bucks and they WILL immediately become a playoff team and if teams cant stop his 1 on 5 one man offense in the playoffs he might even take them to the Finals..... am i delusional or did i just simply see him do stuff like take the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals?

Hell see how well Miami does this season without him compared to Cavs..... and please keep the excuses away "Wade is old, bla bla bla", STOP, they simply dont have Lebron..... Cavs do.... and thats why they will be better only because of him, immediately....



:facepalm

Lebron knew the management were going to get him significant help BEFORE he arrived in Cleveland. Lebron knew he had a very good situation he was going into.

Cavs were set up very well with contracts and flexibility, so they were able to get him the players that he wanted. Which I'm sure they discussed before his return to Cleveland.

Please, you can't be that stupid :hammerhead:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Pauk Lebron could not play the regular season and the cavs would still be a top 4 seed out east

Da fuq you talking about

[Blue&Orange]

Are you ***ing serious?

Cavs since Lebrons departure:

2010 - 19 wins, 63 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - 21 wins, 45 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is there.
2012 - 24 wins, 58 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there.
2013 - 33 wins, 49 losses, missed playoffs, 5th worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there doing his thing.

Miami with Lebron during those 4 years had 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 championships......

He really went to a better team huh?

2014 Cavs = Same exact team as previously, with an addition of Kevin "empty stats" (as you guys call him) Love (and he wasnt doing so extremly much better than Kyrie/Cavs either)..... these guys would get probably a couple more wins and probably still miss the playoffs anyways... in the EAST........

The only thing that will make this team reach ANYTHING this season is due to a certain GOAT level impact of a certain guy called Lebron James...... Infact, you can place today Lebron on the 15 win-67 loss Milwaukee Bucks and they WILL immediately become a playoff team and if teams cant stop his 1 on 5 one man offense in the playoffs he might even take them to the Finals..... am i delusional or did i just simply see him do stuff like take the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals?

Hell see how well Miami does this season without him compared to Cavs..... and please keep the excuses away "Wade is old, bla bla bla", STOP, they simply dont have Lebron..... Cavs do.... and thats why they will be better only because of him, immediately....
Yet more proof of Pauk mental disability. Enough PAuk, we get it, you are retarded, no need to rub it on our faces...

[mehyaM24]

if anything, he gets too little credit. what have the cavs done, per contending, since james' departure back in 2010?

what happened to miami, who was a perennial one and done team / completely doormat since shaq's departure?

dots connecting yet? lebron single handedly made these franchises relevant again, winning multiple mvps, and either taking teams to the finals or winning larry o'brien trophies boosting said teams market value.

there has been NO ONE in league history who has done MORE with LESS than lebron.

in comparison, the so-called "greatest", jordan, was 1-9 in the playoffs without scottie pippen. who were lebron's teammates in cleveland? any, at the time, superstars? took one of the weakest supporting casts in nba history to the finals, carrying the franchise on his back at 22 years of age. that is GREATNESS.

you put at least another allstar caliber player beside lebron, and he will contend. 2 allstar caliber players and he is leading you to a title.

#GOATstayGOATING

[HOoopCityJones]

if anything, he gets too little credit. what have the cavs done, per contending, since james' departure back in 2010?

what happened to miami, who was a perennial one and done team / completely doormat since shaq's departure?

dots connecting yet? lebron single handedly made these franchises relevant again, winning multiple mvps, and either taking teams to the finals or winning larry o'brien trophies boosting said teams market value.

there has been NO ONE in league history who has done MORE with LESS than lebron.

in comparison, the so-called "greatest", jordan, was 1-9 in the playoffs without scottie pippen. who were lebron's teammates in cleveland? any, at the time, superstars? took one of the weakest supporting casts in nba history to the finals, carrying the franchise on his back at 22 years of age. that is GREATNESS.

you put at least another allstar caliber player beside lebron, and he will contend. 2 allstar caliber players and he is leading you to a title.

#GOATstayGOATING

:applause:

[poido123]

if anything, he gets too little credit. what have the cavs done, per contending, since james' departure back in 2010?

what happened to miami, who was a perennial one and done team / completely doormat since shaq's departure?

dots connecting yet? lebron single handedly made these franchises relevant again, winning multiple mvps, and either taking teams to the finals or winning larry o'brien trophies boosting said teams market value.

there has been NO ONE in league history who has done MORE with LESS than lebron.

in comparison, the so-called "greatest", jordan, was 1-9 in the playoffs without scottie pippen. who were lebron's teammates in cleveland? any, at the time, superstars? took one of the weakest supporting casts in nba history to the finals, carrying the franchise on his back at 22 years of age. that is GREATNESS.

you put at least another allstar caliber player beside lebron, and he will contend. 2 allstar caliber players and he is leading you to a title.

#GOATstayGOATING


Don't forget to look at context and facts before writing out your Lebron love rants :rolleyes:

[Rose'sACL]

:facepalm

Lebron knew the management were going to get him significant help BEFORE he arrived in Cleveland. Lebron knew he had a very good situation he was going into.

Cavs were set up very well with contracts and flexibility, so they were able to get him the players that he wanted. Which I'm sure they discussed before his return to Cleveland.

Please, you can't be that stupid :hammerhead:
the only reason love went to the cavs is because lebron was there which makes your comment absolutely idiotic.
i could understand your comment if love was already eager to join the cavs even if lebron didn't come but that was just not the case. You are essentially saying that lebron is not only the best player on the cavs, he is also one of the best GMs in the league and for that he should be blamed.
Cleveland would have had kyrie with rookie wiggins for years to come and they would have had similar or may be 3-4 more wins than last year. that is it. Love would not have come.

[JT123]

if anything, he gets too little credit. what have the cavs done, per contending, since james' departure back in 2010?

what happened to miami, who was a perennial one and done team / completely doormat since shaq's departure?

dots connecting yet? lebron single handedly made these franchises relevant again, winning multiple mvps, and either taking teams to the finals or winning larry o'brien trophies boosting said teams market value.

there has been NO ONE in league history who has done MORE with LESS than lebron.

in comparison, the so-called "greatest", jordan, was 1-9 in the playoffs without scottie pippen. who were lebron's teammates in cleveland? any, at the time, superstars? took one of the weakest supporting casts in nba history to the finals, carrying the franchise on his back at 22 years of age. that is GREATNESS.

you put at least another allstar caliber player beside lebron, and he will contend. 2 allstar caliber players and he is leading you to a title.

#GOATstayGOATING
GOAT post right here. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[poido123]

the only reason love went to the cavs is because lebron was there which makes your comment absolutely idiotic.
i could understand your comment if love was already eager to join the cavs even if lebron didn't come but that was just not the case. You are essentially saying that lebron is not only the best player on the cavs, he is also one of the best GMs in the league and for that he should be blamed.
Cleveland would have had kyrie with rookie wiggins for years to come and they would have had similar or may be 3-4 more wins than last year. that is it. Love would not have come.


Well no, Cavs management would of layed out their plan to get Lebron help. They would of explained to him their contract situation, their cap, and what players they were looking to add. He already knew that he had a bare minimum of Irving/Wiggins/Waiters/Bennett/Varejao around him PLUS some of his old buddies from the Heat to join him.

I cannot prove that Lebron KNEW about the Love trade BEFORE he joined the Cavs, but I suspect it.

It's not like Lebron doesn't understand that if a team has lots of flexibility and a good cap situation, that they can get the right help for him. As you said, Love wanted to go there because of Lebron and Cavs knew they had the pieces to get it done and Lebron would of known that beforehand.

The "coming home" letter specifically left traded pieces out of it, so you tell me whether Lebron knew something about the Love trade before it happened..

Nice avatar BTW

[imdaman99]

bran always gets too much credit. Dude is a paper dragon. When the goin gets tough, he quits.

[Angel Face]

This is absolutely correct. Lebron knew that Miami Heat team is getting old, he has no use for them. Instead, he does his returning home BS, it's not gonna be easy but recruits Kevin Love and other proven veterans. This is basically Miami's version of the collusion. Collusion 2.0. But because of his essay, to dumb fans he is a home town hero. Stacking the deck as usual.

[RedBlackAttack]

Are you ***ing serious?

Cavs since Lebrons departure:

2010 - 19 wins, 63 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - 21 wins, 45 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is there.
2012 - 24 wins, 58 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there.
2013 - 33 wins, 49 losses, missed playoffs, 5th worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there doing his thing.

Miami with Lebron during those 4 years had 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 championships......

He really went to a better team huh?

2014 Cavs = Same exact team as previously, with an addition of Kevin "empty stats" (as you guys call him) Love (and he wasnt doing so extremly much better than Kyrie/Cavs either)..... these guys would get probably a couple more wins and probably still miss the playoffs anyways... in the EAST........

The only thing that will make this team reach ANYTHING this season is due to a certain GOAT level impact of a certain guy called Lebron James...... Infact, you can place today Lebron on the 15 win-67 loss Milwaukee Bucks and they WILL immediately become a playoff team and if teams cant stop his 1 on 5 one man offense in the playoffs he might even take them to the Finals..... am i delusional or did i just simply see him do stuff like take the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals?

Hell see how well Miami does this season without him compared to Cavs..... and please keep the excuses away "Wade is old, bla bla bla", STOP, they simply dont have Lebron..... Cavs do.... and thats why they will be better only because of him, immediately....
I can't believe I actually read this. :oldlol:

Glutton for punishment, I suppose. I officially hate every and all Cavalier-related threads. :(

[Beastmode88]

Lmao pauk at it again with his shenanigans. still waiting on this mj flop thread. Just out of curiosity are you still a miami heat fan? (www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346026)

[bluechox2]

Face the facts, even if lebron stayed, that team would probably end up in the finals again, but lebron would have to do much much more to get them there which he has proven that he cant and wont do. He opted to join a young allstar pg in irving and leveraged his move to the cavs to get love traded for pennies. BEst part about it all, he masked all that with going back home.

Lebron would never go the Cleavland if irving and love werent there... fact

so quit all this "omg he went back home" bullshit

[RedBlackAttack]

Lmao pauk at it again with his shenanigans. still waiting on this mj flop thread. Just out of curiosity are you still a miami heat fan? (www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346026)
Impressive that the Cavs actually had the 7th biggest fanbase on the site prior to James coming back.

Hat off to Meticode, LBJMVP, mlh1981, chips93, 1~Gibson~1, Positive, bisk, FatComputerNerd, jbryan1984, BigTicket, B-Low, LBJ 4 MVP, Black Joker, sixer6ad, Hernando, DukeDelonte13, Hernando, CavaliersFTW, Uncle Drew, lilgodfather1, TwentyThree, Inactive and NattyPButter.

...and I know there are others that weren't included.

For some reason Tyler00 is on that list. I don't recall him ever posting in a Cavs thread from 2010-14 that didn't involve LeBron James.

[RedBlackAttack]

Face the facts, even if lebron stayed, that team would probably end up in the finals again, but lebron would have to do much much more to get them there which he has proven that he cant and wont do. He opted to join a young allstar pg in irving and leveraged his move to the cavs to get love traded for pennies. BEst part about it all, he masked all that with going back home.

Lebron would never go the Cleavland if irving and love werent there... fact

so quit all this "omg he went back home" bullshit
I actually do think he always intended to come back and finish his career here. But, he even admits that he never expected it to happen this soon. A combination of forces, starting with the Heat getting demolished in the Finals through the Cavs getting another top pick and Irving signing a max extension set the table for him.

Only the most naive basketball fans would be foolish enough to believe this was all about making things "right" in Cleveland and finishing things out here. Yeah, I do think it eventually would have happened, but this was about opportunity as much as convenience and "coming home." I won't say it played NO role, but having such a flexible cap situation along with some very good young players and all of the tools to make a Love deal happen?

Yeah, that was the real key to it coming to fruition this soon. In the grand scheme, he was gone a mere four years. In basketball terms, that's almost unheard of for a player of his caliber and I certainly didn't expect him to be back this soon.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron is a smart businessman he knows going back to cavs accomplishes a couple things one it gets him back in good graces with people of his home state trying to mend fences but also he is surrounded by a younger core so it entends his championship chances and to build on legacy.

[Papaya Petee]

My god Pauk is the most delusional poster Ive ever seen.

[qrich]

My god Pauk is the most delusional poster Ive ever seen.

He's on the level of stans and homer fans of the Lakers and now Cavaliers that think they can get top players for free.

[Dresta]

Are you ***ing serious?

Cavs since Lebrons departure:

2010 - 19 wins, 63 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA.
2011 - 21 wins, 45 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is there.
2012 - 24 wins, 58 losses, missed playoffs, 2nd worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there.
2013 - 33 wins, 49 losses, missed playoffs, 5th worst record in the NBA, Kyrie Irving is still there doing his thing.

Miami with Lebron during those 4 years had 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 championships......

He really went to a better team huh?

2014 Cavs = Same exact team as previously, with an addition of Kevin "empty stats" (as you guys call him) Love (and he wasnt doing so extremly much better than Kyrie/Cavs either)..... these guys would get probably a couple more wins and probably still miss the playoffs anyways... in the EAST........

The only thing that will make this team reach ANYTHING this season is due to a certain GOAT level impact of a certain guy called Lebron James...... Infact, you can place today Lebron on the 15 win-67 loss Milwaukee Bucks and they WILL immediately become a playoff team and if teams cant stop his 1 on 5 one man offense in the playoffs he might even take them to the Finals..... am i delusional or did i just simply see him do stuff like take the worst supporting cast in NBA history to the Finals?

Hell see how well Miami does this season without him compared to Cavs..... and please keep the excuses away "Wade is old, bla bla bla", STOP, they simply dont have Lebron..... Cavs do.... and thats why they will be better only because of him, immediately....Sorry, but i didn't catch all of that: it was a bit muffled with Bron's cawk being shoved so far down your throat and all.

[lilteapot]

Sorry, but i didn't catch all of that: it was a bit muffled with Bron's cawk being shoved so far down your throat and all.
People that hate Lebron talk about his genitalia way more than his own wife probably does.

[r15mohd]

People that hate Lebron talk about his genitalia way more than his own wife probably does.


it's a common rebuttal on ISH for posters with no creditable response to the topic :confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

People that hate Lebron talk about his genitalia way more than his own wife probably does.
I don't 'hate' any basketball player. I hate pathetic fanboy-ism.

Perhaps you should stop munching on Lebron's carpet.

[Dresta]

it's a common rebuttal on ISH for posters with no creditable response to the topic :confusedshrug:
All that nonsense has been refuted several thousand times on ISHs already. That argument is not worth revisiting. Pauk's obsessional devotion is always worth remarking on, otherwise someone might actually forget and take the guy seriously.

[PJR]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230174&page=2

Pauk will forever be a vicariously living d-riding homo for that thread.

[Rose'sACL]

I don't 'hate' any basketball player. I hate pathetic fanboy-ism.

Perhaps you should stop munching on Lebron's carpet.
isn't loving a team no matter what they do also a very good example of fanboy-ism?

[El Gato Negro]

season cant start soon enough.