LeBron "surprised" by Bosh comments, doesn't want to see him

[Kidbasketball20]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11676339/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-finds-comments-ex-teammates-surprising

" LeBron James said he found some recent comments made by his former Miami Heat teammates surprising and he has no plans to spend time with any of them while both teams are in Brazil."

"We've got so much history together. ... It doesn't take away from what we accomplished [in Miami] and I know that."


LeBron continuing to burn bridges everywhere he goes. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Denitron]

Whole thing is beginning to sound like a bunch of schoolgirls crying and bitching after a falling out

:whatever:

[20Four]

not surprised at all....who wants to be with a player who team switches more than anybody at their PRIME!........lol

[RedBlackAttack]

This whole thing is so Real House Wives. :oldlol:


ESPN manufactured nonsense. They're former co-workers. Who gives a sh1t?

[chazzy]

"I've talked to D. Wade. Obviously, I haven't talked to Chris."
:lol

[lilteapot]

Windhorst is insufferable.

[PJR]

"We'll see each other on the court," Bosh said. "That's plenty of time to catch up."

Big Shot Bosh. :applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

ESPN still pushing the Big 3 angle to the bitter end

[RedBlackAttack]

Windhorst is insufferable.
...and fat. Very fat.

[Kidbasketball20]

Bosh sacrificed the most to be with the Heat. He wasted PRIME YEARS AND STATS being LeBron's bitch. Not shocked.


Wade at least is already semi-retired and will have 1 more ring than LeBron till he wins one with the Cavs (if he does)

[lilteapot]

Bosh sacrificed the most to be with the Heat. He wasted PRIME YEARS AND STATS being LeBron's bitch. Not shocked.


Wade at least is already semi-retired and will have 1 more ring than LeBron till he wins one with the Cavs (if he does)
Do you honestly think he gives a shit about stats when he won 2 titles with him, you little ignorant ****?

[Cocaine80s]

lol Bosh got 2 rings and still acting like a bitch.


He would've gone no where in Toronto while putting up empty stats


I wonder how salty this dude will be when Love still averages 20/10 this year

[SouBeachTalents]

Bosh sacrificed the most to be with the Heat. He wasted PRIME YEARS AND STATS being LeBron's bitch. Not shocked.


Wade at least is already semi-retired and will have 1 more ring than LeBron till he wins one with the Cavs (if he does)

Winning 2 rings is worse than putting up nice numbers on irrelevant teams?

[Nash]

Surprised Bosh is taking all of these shots at Lebron. Not the Bosh I remember the last 4 years following him.

[edrick]

Bosh sacrificed the most to be with the Heat. He wasted PRIME YEARS AND STATS being LeBron's bitch. Not shocked.


Wade at least is already semi-retired and will have 1 more ring than LeBron till he wins one with the Cavs (if he does)

I'm sure Bosh was content with winning jack shit before joining Miami. Bosh went nowhere as "the man" with a couple of wins in the playoffs his entire career, to winning or contending for championships every year after leaving. What exactly did Bosh sacrifice?

[HEAT111]

...and fat. Very fat.

Does he really fit in the "Q" ?

[HEAT111]

Surprised Bosh is taking all of these shots at Lebron. Not the Bosh I remember the last 4 years following him.


What shots? TELL me which part of what he said was a shot. :lol

[mehyaM24]

SMH. bosh and wade are lucky to even have "legacies". if not for lebron, they both would be footnotes in history.

[JT123]

Bosh sacrificed the most to be with the Heat. He wasted PRIME YEARS AND STATS being LeBron's bitch. Not shocked.


Wade at least is already semi-retired and will have 1 more ring than LeBron till he wins one with the Cavs (if he does)
No one put a gun to Bosh's head and forced him to sign with the Heat. If he joined a team with Lebron and Wade and honestly thought the offense was going to run through him then he is an idiot. Let's be honest, the casual basketball fan had never even heard of Chris Bosh before he signed with the Heat. Bosh's fame, as well as that 118 million dollar contract he just signed, is all because of Lebron. I honestly can't wait for that fggt to be exposed this season. :lol :lol

[GrapeApe]

SMH. bosh and wade are lucky to even have "legacies". if not for lebron, they both would be footnotes in history.

Um, no.

[ajnapoleon]

Wait.....I remember Bosh was waiting around to see what lebron was going to do ....saying he wants to play with him:oldlol: ....Now Lebron went back to the cavs now he says this? .....He is the new Mo Williams to me now:facepalm :coleman: :biggums:

[mehyaM24]

Um, no.
maybe not wade (unlike webber and shaq, i dont think he won ALL his rings as that "other guy"), but bosh most definitely. he needs to shut his fat mouth

[Nash]

What shots? TELL me which part of what he said was a shot. :lol
Not shots, but publicly very unnecessary comments.

[SouBeachTalents]

SMH. bosh and wade are lucky to even have "legacies". if not for lebron, they both would be footnotes in history.

Wade 04-10

25, 5, 7 regular season average
26, 5, 6 postseason average
5 All-NBA selections (2 first team)
3 All-Defensive selections
4 top 10 MVP finishes
2006 Finals MVP

Considering he still had one great year left (2011), and two good years left (2012, 2013 regular season), I seriously doubt Wade would have been a "footnote" in NBA history

[HEAT111]

We talk, but I want to get people to understand that I'm a competitor," Bosh said. "He (James) is on another team. He'd understand that. I understand that. We'll have plenty of time to talk in the summer, and that's how it is now. I'll see him on the court, and that will be plenty of time to catch up."


You guys need to read more.

[Levity]

In before ESPN breaks the story:

"Lebron James has removed Chris Bosh from his Christmas Card recipients"

[HEAT111]

Not shots, but publicly very unnecessary comments.

He's just stating facts. It's like once you start going to College. Do you still stay communicated with your friends from High School? And so on, not a big. The media is just ploying another stupid storyline the exact same way how they stretched the "Not 1, Not 2, Not 3.."

[L.Kizzle]

LeBron James is a terrible person and I blame this all on him.

[Nash]

He's just stating facts. It's like once you start going to College. Do you still stay communicated with your friends from High School? And so on, not a big. The media is just ploying another stupid storyline the exact same way how they stretched the "Not 1, Not 2, Not 3.."
It probably is but I would expect Bosh to be very diplomatic about the whole thing.

oh well, i guess this is one of those things were you need to hear the audio to understand context.

[Hoopz2332]

Wait.....I remember Bosh was waiting around to see what lebron was going to do ....saying he wants to play with him:oldlol: ....Now Lebron went back to the cavs now he says this? .....He is the new Mo Williams to me now:facepalm :coleman: :biggums:


this. Bosh sounds butthurt because he lied about not speaking to lebron and then Stephen A Smith called himout on it since he was there at the wedding and knew otherwise....

@ 1:22


First Take - Chris Bosh Not Speaking To Lebron James

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j3Eis78MHQ&hd=1


Why did Bosh lie about talking to james?:oldlol:





Chris Bosh: 'No hard feelings'



"There's no hard feelings or anything," Bosh said after the Miami Heat practiced Thursday in advance of their preseason game against the Cavs on Saturday. "If we're both trying to win, he's against us, and that's a matter of fact."

This isn't personal, Bosh said, and he reinforced it by recalling a gift he and his wife, Adrienne, recently sent James.

"He had a baby shower, and we sent him a gift for his daughter," Bosh said. "Then training camp started, and that was about it."

Clarifying comments he made Tuesday, Bosh said he did speak with James briefly at Dwyane Wade's wedding Aug. 30.

"My time is backwards and everything, but we talked," Bosh said. "I want people to understand I'm a competitor, and he's on the other team. I think he'd understand that, and I understand that, and that's how it is now."

For his part, James tried to downplay the emotions that many are expecting from him when he sees his former teammates.

"It's going to be special to see those guys on Saturday," he acknowledge. "But both teams are here to work. I'll acknowledge those guys for sure, I'm still cool with all of those guys. It's really not a story, it's what people make it. I just made a decision like a lot of people made decisions this summer."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11669609/chris-bosh-miami-heat-no-hard-feelings-lebron-james

he only let the truth out after Stepha A Smith was like:coleman:

Dude even sent lebron gifts for his new kid

http://i.imgur.com/bS7CB5I.png

:oldlol:

Simply put, Bosh was on some fake tough guy sh1t and was trying to impress Riley or he's really butt hurt like this guy thinks


CRIS BOSH LIKE A SCORNED WOMAN OVER LEBRON JAMES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReWNVuDsRI&hd=1

http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/5662811852_89896a11fb_o.gif

[navy]

ESPN has been working overtime to create a story for a preseason game lol.

[Smook A.]

Bosh sacrificed the most to be with the Heat. He wasted PRIME YEARS AND STATS being LeBron's bitch. Not shocked.


Wade at least is already semi-retired and will have 1 more ring than LeBron till he wins one with the Cavs (if he does)
WTF are you on? Do you really think having better stats is more important than winning championships? Bosh won 2 rings and sacrificed" his prime years to go to Miami and team up with Dwyane Wade and LeBron James. If Bosh stayed in Toronto, I seriously doubt he would've won a ring.

[tpols]

.bosh. I honestly can't wait for that fggt to be exposed this season. :lol :lol

Jesus:oldlol:

[JellyBean]

LeBron surprised by Bosh comments? Bosh didn't even say anything :confusedshrug: WT?

[JellyBean]

ESPN has been working overtime to create a story for a preseason game lol.

That's what I was thinking as well. ESPN trying to create something out of nothing.

[ajnapoleon]

Also why was Lebron in the post banging with the likes of Gasol, David West, And other Power forwards ....chasing Tony parker and Rose around and running the point and LEADING the damn team in rebounds?....Where was Bosh and Wade then? I remember him checking hibbert and LMA....damn they was gonna burn Lebron out .....But hey Bosh got the team all to his self Im sure he will do well with out Lebron holding him back....O damn points in a finals game and you want to talk Sh#T:lol :biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

Also why was Lebron in the post banging with the likes of Gasol, David West, And other Power forwards ....chasing Tony parker and Rose around and running the point and LEADING the damn team in rebounds?....Where was Bosh and Wade then? I remember him checking hibbert and LMA....damn they was gonna burn Lebron out .....But hey Bosh got the team all to his self Im sure he will do well with out Lebron holding him back....O damn points in a finals game and you want to talk Sh#T:lol :biggums:

Who's alt is this?

[KirbyPls]

Who's alt is this?

DonDadda's obvi.

[JT123]

Also why was Lebron in the post banging with the likes of Gasol, David West, And other Power forwards ....chasing Tony parker and Rose around and running the point and LEADING the damn team in rebounds?....Where was Bosh and Wade then? I remember him checking hibbert and LMA....damn they was gonna burn Lebron out .....But hey Bosh got the team all to his self Im sure he will do well with out Lebron holding him back....O damn points in a finals game and you want to talk Sh#T:lol :biggums:
:applause:

[Magic 32]

Who would want to play with this guy?

Sacrificing your game to help him get all the credit, and if you outplay him he shut down (2011).

He is a monster.

[JT123]

Who would want to play with this guy?

Sacrificing your game to help him get all the credit, and if you outplay him he shut down (2011).

He is a monster.
Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Miller, Marion, Jones, and Love just to name a few. You need to start asking more thought provoking questions.

[G0ATbe]

I find it pretty incredible how a "cancerous chucker" like Kobe has pretty much never had teammates throw him under the boss to the extent that LeBalds former teammates have the past few weeks. Pretty much all the teammates he supposedly "got involved" and "made better players" are saying the exact opposite. GOAT team player:lol

[Magic 32]

Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Miller, Marion, Jones, and Love just to name a few. You need to start asking more thought provoking questions.

Nobody asked Lebron to go to Miami. Bosh and Wade were fine without him.

Love and Irwing had no control.

They will all suffer and their career will be diminished.

Imagine a deep and well-balanced Heat team in 2011 without Lebron.

But the bald prick ruined it all.

[Cold soul]

This is like some high school drama, shit. Come on guys grow up and try to act your age.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nobody asked Lebron to go to Miami. Bosh and Wade were fine without him.

Love and Irwing had no control.

They will all suffer and their career will be diminished.

Imagine a deep and well-balanced Heat team in 2011 without Lebron.

But the bald prick ruined it all.

Imagine the 2013 Heat without LeBron

[RedBlackAttack]

Does he really fit in the "Q" ?
One thing I'm sure we're in agreement on... Windhorst smells like an old cabbage roll. I'd put good money on it. Good money.

http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.nyc.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-11-at-3.20.17-PM.png

http://cdn.skinnyms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cabbage-.jpg

[Magic 32]

Imagine the 2013 Heat without LeBron

Who cares?

Wade is top 15 all time if Lebron plays like Jason Terry in the 2011 finals.

Wade FMVP 2011 > Second fiddle rings in 2012 and 2013.

[JT123]

Nobody asked Lebron to go to Miami. Bosh and Wade were fine without him.

Love and Irwing had no control.

They will all suffer and their career will be diminished.

Imagine a deep and well-balanced Heat team in 2011 without Lebron.

But the bald prick ruined it all.
1. I didn't mention Irving
2. Love DID have control, which is why he had his agent tell teams that the Cavs were the only team he'd sign an extension with. Stop spending so much time on those Lebron flop gifs and start following the news. :lol

[JT123]

Who cares?

Wade is top 15 all time if Lebron plays like Jason Terry in the 2011 finals.

Wade FMVP 2011 > Second fiddle rings in 2012 and 2013.
Hold up....is a Kobe fan actually admitting that sidekick rings don't mean shit? :lebronamazed:

[ajnapoleon]

Hold up....is a Kobe fan actually admitting that sidekick rings don't mean shit? :lebronamazed:





:biggums: Did you really catch one saying the truth :biggums: .......:bowdown:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

One thing I'm sure we're in agreement on... Windhorst smells like an old cabbage roll. I'd put good money on it. Good money.

http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.nyc.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-11-at-3.20.17-PM.png

http://cdn.skinnyms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cabbage-.jpg
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
how much does he weight holy :biggums:

[Warfan]

One thing I'm sure we're in agreement on... Windhorst smells like an old cabbage roll. I'd put good money on it. Good money.

http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.nyc.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-11-at-3.20.17-PM.png

http://cdn.skinnyms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cabbage-.jpg

:roll: He's living the life man, you're just jealous. :lol

I can see they've also lowered the rim for him too dunk on, he gets what he wants.

[Magic 32]

1. I didn't mention Irving
2. Love DID have control, which is why he had his agent tell teams that the Cavs were the only team he'd sign an extension with. Stop spending so much time on those Lebron flop gifs and start following the news. :lol

lol There was no other trade in place. Period.

The alternative?

http://www.interstatepm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/3320376904_045190fdaa_z.jpg

And Love will suffer the most of all. When Lebron isolate him and force him to become spot up shooter or a Varejao deluxe, you and other fans of the cancer will call him the most overrated player in the NBA.

[SouBeachTalents]

Who cares?

Wade is top 15 all time if Lebron plays like Jason Terry in the 2011 finals.

Wade FMVP 2011 > Second fiddle rings in 2012 and 2013.

Lol, you have no argument from me, LeBron really ****ed Wade over with his abysmal 2011 Finals performance

[Magic 32]

Hold up....is a Kobe fan actually admitting that sidekick rings don't mean shit? :lebronamazed:

Means less than a historically great FMVP.

Wade played magnificent and was cheated of 2 first option rings, both better than any of Lebron's.

They would mean more for sure.

And Kobe was 1B in 2001 and 2002 (not that you would old or smart enough to know).

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:roll: He's living the life man, you're just jealous. :lol

I can see they've also lowered the rim for him too dunk on, he gets what he wants.
Biggie>>>>>>>>>>>Pac
West coast is wack and tranny infested

[JT123]

lol There was no other trade in place. Period.

The alternative?

http://www.interstatepm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/3320376904_045190fdaa_z.jpg

And Love will suffer the most of all. When Lebron isolate him and force him to become spot up shootier or a Varejao deluxe, you and other fans of the cancer will call him the most overrated player in the NBA.
:facepalm I'm pretty sure it snows in Cleveland too. Several teams were attempting to land Love, including my hometown Golden State Warriors. But nope, Love passed up the great weather of the Bay Area to go to Cleveland. I wonder why? :D

[Hey Yo]

Who cares?

Wade is top 15 all time if Lebron plays like Jason Terry in the 2011 finals.

Wade FMVP 2011 > Second fiddle rings in 2012 and 2013.
Kobe smoker with the self ether.

2/7

[Magic 32]

Kobe smoker with the self ether.

2/7

2/7 > 2011 finals

That's a stain will echo in eternity.

A hateful and sickening moment in sports history.

Lebron should have been neutered after those finals.

[RedBlackAttack]

:roll: He's living the life man, you're just jealous. :lol

I can see they've also lowered the rim for him too dunk on, he gets what he wants.

:lol

Best was when Delonte West went in on him.

http://i60.tinypic.com/b7bcpi.jpg

:roll:

[Smook A.]

One thing I'm sure we're in agreement on... Windhorst smells like an old cabbage roll. I'd put good money on it. Good money.

http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.nyc.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-11-at-3.20.17-PM.png

http://cdn.skinnyms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cabbage-.jpg
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/MP/10/00/05/72/MP10000572248_P255045_500X500.jpg

Take his head off and thats what he looks like ^

[#number6ix#]

http://s3-ak.buzzfeed.com/static/2014-09/3/12/enhanced/webdr01/anigif_enhanced-27004-1409760279-8.gif

[nevetslc88]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-26939-Jason-Momoa-dis-gon-b-gud-gif-o1Zt.gif

[AintNoSunshine]

The media is trying too hard to manufacture these kinda stuff. How many times is a man(Bosh) supposed to answer question about another man(Bron)? I'd be really pissed too.

[SouBeachTalents]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-26939-Jason-Momoa-dis-gon-b-gud-gif-o1Zt.gif

Lol, thought he was gonna hit that bish in the head with his chair at first

[RedBlackAttack]

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/MP/10/00/05/72/MP10000572248_P255045_500X500.jpg

Take his head off and thats what he looks like ^
I refuse to compare Windy to a device whose purposes is fitness.


Standing firm on the cabbage, based on both body shape, pasty color and assumed odor rising from the depth of his pit stains.

http://www.surdive.com/sites/default/files/styles/produit-principal/public/produit/choux-blanc_0.jpg

[3ball]

Bosh confirms everything we have already known about Lebron.... he imposes a style on the team that hurts teammates like Bosh that can actually play.

He also confirms that Lebron is not just beta, but a super-beta...

but we should have known this the moment we saw Lebron erupt like a 16-year old girl on her birthday, shocked the shot went in...

girly-beta reaction to game-winner:

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/lebronfinalshot052209.gif


goat-alpha reaction to game-winner:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/13e4de61552ce90cc14e2293b2be972a.gif


:lol :lol :lol

[tpols]

Bosh confirms everything we have already known about Lebron.... he imposes a style on the team that hurts teammates like Bosh that can actually play.

He also confirms that Lebron is not just beta, but a super-beta...

but we should have known this the moment we saw Lebron erupt like a 16-year old girl on her birthday, shocked the shot went in...

girly-beta reaction to game-winner:

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/lebronfinalshot052209.gif


goat-alpha reaction to game-winner:

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/13e4de61552ce90cc14e2293b2be972a.gif


:lol :lol :lol

EVERYTHING is lebron Jordan to you.:lol

[RedBlackAttack]

I said right from the start of this union between James-Wade-Bosh that I couldn't see how their respective games would work together. Now, clearly, they won two titles and went to four Finals together, so something must have gone right. But, I attribute that more to tenacious defense -- the side of the court where they did actually fit -- and overwhelming opponents with offensive talent.

Still, I never felt like we ever saw James, Wade and Bosh at their best offensively on the court together. In general, either one or usually two of the three had to take a couple steps back to make it work.

But, that isn't necessarily a slight to any one player. It just means that these three weren't a great match offensively. It doesn't automatically mean that there are no other good players who could be at their best on the floor with any of the three of those guys.

I think Irving-James-Love fit together MUCH more seamlessly on the offensive end, especially in an offense that relies on so much ball movement, constant screens all over the floor, having multiple guys who can handle the ball, having multiple guys who can shoot and having multiple guys who can get to the hoop.

Problem is, they don't have it defensively the way Miami did.

We'll see how it goes down... but no doubt in my mind this is a far better fit than the Miami "Big 3," at least offensively.

[3ball]

EVERYTHING is lebron Jordan to you.:lol
it's quite understandable - before lebron got smashed again in the Finals, i was hearing a lot of "lebron goat" hoping from fans.

naturally, everytime i hear goat, i think of the GOAT, Jordan.. :confusedshrug:

[RedBlackAttack]

it's quite understandable - before lebron got smashed again in the Finals, i was hearing a lot of "lebron goat" hoping from fans.

naturally, everytime i hear goat, i think of the GOAT, Jordan.. :confusedshrug:
Ok. We get it. Most people still consider MJ the clear GOAT, myself included. No need to divert every thread into a discussion about it.

[SpecialQue]

I love how anytime an ex-teammate criticizes Lebron, it's because they're "salty," and not because Lebron may legitimately be an asshole.

[SpecialQue]

it's quite understandable - before lebron got smashed again in the Finals, i was hearing a lot of "lebron goat" hoping from fans.

naturally, everytime i hear goat, i think of the GOAT, Jordan.. :confusedshrug:

Anyone here ever have a friend who, as soon as they discover something new that they really like, won't shut the **** up about it and take every opportunity to go on and on and on about how great it is? This guy talks about Jordan like he barely got into basketball and just watched that NBA Bulls Dynasty DVD set.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I said right from the start of this union between James-Wade-Bosh that I couldn't see how their respective games would work together. Now, clearly, they won two titles and went to four Finals together, so something must have gone right. But, I attribute that more to tenacious defense -- the side of the court where they did actually fit -- and overwhelming opponents with offensive talent.

Still, I never felt like we ever saw James, Wade and Bosh at their best offensively on the court together. In general, either one or usually two of the three had to take a couple steps back to make it work.

But, that isn't necessarily a slight to any one player. It just means that these three weren't a great match offensively. It doesn't automatically mean that there are no other good players who could be at their best on the floor with any of the three of those guys.

I think Irving-James-Love fit together MUCH more seamlessly on the offensive end, especially in an offense that relies on so much ball movement, constant screens all over the floor, having multiple guys who can handle the ball, having multiple guys who can shoot and having multiple guys who can get to the hoop.

Problem is, they don't have it defensively the way Miami did.

We'll see how it goes down... but no doubt in my mind this is a far better fit than the Miami "Big 3," at least offensively.

Bosh never really fit in at all.

But D-Wade and LeBron the first two years was a thing of beauty. No, their offensive games didn't fit perfectly, but that caliber of athleticism on the perimeter was just awe-inspiring.

The fast breaks, the alley oops, the full-court lobs, it was unreal to watch two of the best wings ever run together like they did. It didn't fit in the half-court, but they were too good for that to matter for the most part. When they locked in defensively they became a historically great team.

It'll be interesting to see how the Cavs fit, and I agree that it will probably work better in the half court, (Love especially will give you more than Bosh could) but Irving doesn't give you that same dynamic, especially defensively, that Wade did before he broke down.

That being said though Irving can give you a very different, (and better fit next to LeBron) look than Wade did with his shooting.

[LongLiveTheKing]

I love how anytime an ex-teammate criticizes Lebron, it's because they're "salty," and not because Lebron may legitimately be an asshole.
Nothing points to him being a bad teammate

[NumberSix]

Bosh is gonna put a lot of y'all on notice this season. Y'all forgot, this dude is a legit franchise player and this season will be a top 5 player in the NBA.

[3ball]

Anyone here ever have a friend who, as soon as they discover something new that they really like, won't shut the **** up about it and take every opportunity to go on and on and on about how great it is?
nah bruh - you and i both know that the media (probably you too) swore that lebron was on MJ's level and would 3-peat.

but now that lebron got smashed yet again in the Finals and exposed for his suboptimal style and subjugation of teammates, i'm not going to let you or anyone else that was dead wrong trying to shove the Lebron 3-peat notion down my throat, forget about it... capiche?
.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bosh never really fit in at all.

But D-Wade and LeBron the first two years was a thing of beauty. No, their offensive games didn't fit perfectly, but that caliber of athleticism on the perimeter was just awe-inspiring.

The fast breaks, the alley oops, the full-court lobs, it was unreal to watch two of the best wings ever run together like they did. It didn't fit in the half-court, but they were too good for that to matter for the most part. When they locked in defensively they became a historically great team.

It'll be interesting to see how the Cavs fit, and I agree that it will probably work better in the half court, (Love especially will give you more than Bosh could) but Irving doesn't give you that same dynamic, especially defensively, that Wade did before he broke down.

That being said though Irving can give you a very different, (and better fit next to LeBron) look than Wade did with his shooting.
The one thing that bothers me about the constant criticisms of Kyrie Irving's defense... never does there seem to be even a caveat that he's still very young and guys that talented offensively often take a few years to get their defense in order.

Hell, his first two years in the league, LeBron was a borderline atrocious defender. It was the biggest knock on his game and one of the biggest reasons the Cavs brought Mike Brown in to mentor him.

Kyrie has been a bad defender in each of his first three seasons, but he did improve last year... and he was actually Team USA's most consistent perimeter defender in the FIBA games aside from Thompson off the bench. I'm actually very confident that since the Cavs are now presumably in the ECF title race which will give the games more importance than they held prior and Kyrie will have to carry much less of the scoring load on the other end, his defense is going to improve by leaps and bounds.

I think Kyrie's presence really presents an opportunity for LeBron to focus his game on some very specific areas instead of being the "Jack of All Trades" that he's been basically since coming into the league.

I actually do expect Kyrie to do the majority of the ball-handling and initiating the offensive sets. That doesn't mean LeBron won't have the ball -- a lot -- but just that he can focus on attacking from advantageous positions on the court.


Don't know if you read Zach Lowe's article about the Cavs' potential offensively from a few days ago, but it was really interesting. The potential of running simultaneous screens on both sides of the court involving Irving-Love-James-Waiters-Varejao really could force mismatches on every possession.

If these guys buy-in and are patient enough to allow the system to work out the early kinks... yikes.



Right away, the Cavs are going to be an offensive colossus. LeBron James is one by himself, and in Love, Blatt has found the perfect big man for a hybrid Princeton system that bends defenses with constant screening on and off the ball.

...

Legit size is part of what makes Cleveland so terrifying on offense. Miami had to contort itself uncomfortably to find the ideal floor spacing for LeBron’s inside-out game to breathe. The Heat downsized, with Shane Battier as an undersize shooting power forward, and held it together on defense with frantic rotations and elite speed.

The Cavaliers can functionally play small while remaining big, and that’s because of Love. He’s a real power forward, not a wing bravely masquerading as one, and he has true quick-release 3-point range. Cleveland might not be able to mimic Miami’s “five-out” style in a literal sense, since its centers can’t shoot 3s like Chris Bosh, but that distinction is meaningless.

The “five-out” thing didn’t really exist when Dwyane Wade was on the floor, and Miami’s other non-LeBron wings didn’t have Waiters’s athleticism or shooting potential. Waiters shot 37 percent from deep last season, and he could push 40 percent if he ditches all the ridiculous off-the-dribble chucking that no longer has a place on this loaded team.

The Cavs will surround Varejao/Thompson with four good-to-elite shooters, all of whom are able to work off the dribble. That is better than a forced “five-out.”

God help the NBA when Blatt goes ultra-spacey with small-ball lineups like Irving-Waiters–Mike Miller–LeBron-Love. That will be a rare,3 defensively challenged look, but it is completely unguardable. Defensive limitations don’t matter when you go on a 15-2 run in 90 seconds.

...

And holy crap, is this team going to be great on offense. Blatt’s sets are filled with constant motion, both on the ball and away from it, involving all kinds of screens. A LeBron-Varejao pick-and-roll might be happening on the right side while Love sets a down screen for Irving on the left side, and those dueling actions will flow into two more elements.

Every pick presents a chance to punch a hole through one section of the defense. That innocent Love pick for Irving away from the ball? If Love hits it flush, his guy might have to rush toward the baseline to account for Irving’s basket cut.

And just that little blip can be death. Maybe Love pops out for an open 3-pointer. Maybe LeBron hits Irving on the cut. Maybe the other team switches in desperation, leaving a little guy to deal with Love on the block.

Every pick is an opportunity when one of the big dudes setting them is a good high-volume 3-point shooter. Blatt has also used fake picks in the past, and those fakes are more convincing, drawing more urgent responses, when the faker is a large man with 3-point range.

Blatt will get tricky with Love, and it’s going to be great. The coach has always featured big men doing stuff on and off the ball at the elbow, and Love thrived in all kinds of funky sets out there in Minnesota. Blatt has used this exact set often in Europe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wGIkSJYX-Ig

More Love favorites would include:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hIxpncuRUzU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eR0iNfU5jQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eR0iNfU5jQg

The threat of Love’s shooting will open up driving lanes for everyone. Good luck defending a LeBron-Love or Irving-Love pick-and-roll, especially when the Cavs precede it with actions that nudge the defense out of position by the time that pick-and-roll starts. LeBron’s post-up game isn’t going anywhere, either. Blatt runs a lot of cross screens under the rim to free his post threats for quick-hitting attacks.

Much has been made about whether Irving can adjust to an off-ball role, but Blatt’s offense will be democratic. The ball will fly around until someone gets it with a gap to attack, and everyone will have the green light to shoot through those gaps. Irving struggled on spot-up shots last season, but he’s a good shooter suddenly plopped onto a killer roster. He’ll be fine.

Toss in offensive rebounding, an area that many of the league’s better scoring teams punt in favor of transition defense, and the Cavs should chase the top spot in the points per possession rankings in Year 1.

There will be hiccups, of course. The Cavs will struggle for spacing when Thompson and Varejao share the floor. Blatt will have to sort out a bunch of thorny rotation questions — how often to go small, and how dramatically to stagger minutes so at least one of his three stars is on the floor at all times. Staggering star minutes is a way to avoid droughts, and pulling LeBron early in the first and third quarters, as the Mavs do with Nowitzki, could be a smart way to unleash hell with LeBron as a small-ball power forward against opposing bench units in the second and fourth quarters. But staggering has a downside: You play your best lineups a bit less than you might otherwise.

Blatt isn’t concerned about this stuff yet. “We’re going to have to see how it all fits together,” he says. “Some of it will depend on how we’re playing, and who we’re playing.”

Many of those rotation questions will vanish in the playoffs, when the stars can ramp up their minutes; we should see approximately zero shared meaningful Thompson-Varejao minutes in high-stakes games. The playoffs will be the real measure of this Cleveland team, and the measuring can start this season.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-windows-the-cavs-have-all-the-makings-of-a-title-contender/

[SouBeachTalents]

Bosh is gonna put a lot of y'all on notice this season. Y'all forgot, this dude is a legit franchise player and this season will be a top 5 player in the NBA.

Oh, and we all saw what he did as a franchise player. One All-NBA team selection and 3 playoff wins in 7 seasons, in the east no less. Elton Brand was a more successful franchise player than Bosh

[hawksdogsbraves]

The one thing that bothers me about the constant criticisms of Kyrie Irving's defense... never does there seem to be even a caveat that he's still very young and guys that talented offensively often take a few years to get their defense in order.

Hell, his first two years in the league, LeBron was a borderline atrocious defender. It was the biggest knock on his game and one of the biggest reasons the Cavs brought Mike Brown in to mentor him.

Kyrie has been a bad defender in each of his first three seasons, but he did improve last year... and he was actually Team USA's most consistent perimeter defender in the FIBA games aside from Thompson off the bench. I'm actually very confident that since the Cavs are now presumably in the ECF title race which will give the games more importance than they held prior and Kyrie will have to carry much less of the scoring load on the other end, his defense is going to improve by leaps and bounds.

I think Kyrie's presence really presents an opportunity for LeBron to focus his game on some very specific areas instead of being the "Jack of All Trades" that he's been basically since coming into the league.

I actually do expect Kyrie to do the majority of the ball-handling and initiating the offensive sets. That doesn't mean LeBron won't have the ball -- a lot -- but just that he can focus on attacking from advantageous positions on the court.


Don't know if you read Zach Lowe's article about the Cavs' potential offensively from a few days ago, but it was really interesting. The potential of running simultaneous screens on both sides of the court involving Irving-Love-James-Waiters-Varejao really could force mismatches on every possession.

If these guys buy-in and are patient enough to allow the system to work out the early kinks... yikes.




http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-windows-the-cavs-have-all-the-makings-of-a-title-contender/

I'm not trying to rag on Kyrie's defense, I agree that it could easily get much better, (and I think Lebron's presence will actually help that a great deal). Just that comparing it to the prime Wade we saw in 2011 and 2012 it's just not really in the same league. That's probably your two single best perimeter defenders in the league right there, so when they locked in on you, it was something really, really special.

I've always been a LeBron fan and I can't wait to see how the Cavs play, I think Irving and Love have the potential to fit really well with him and create something special. The screens like you mentioned combined with the shooting could make for one of the best offenses we've ever seen in the NBA.

All I'm saying is that the raw athleticism and perimeter D was what made those Heat teams so special, and that's a different dynamic from what the Cavs will bring to the table.

[Eric Cartman]

Would I care about another a former teammate if I had a 123 million dollar contract to play basketball in Miami?

[SpecialQue]

nah bruh - you and i both know that the media (probably you too) swore that lebron was on MJ's level and would 3-peat.

but now that lebron got smashed yet again in the Finals and exposed for his suboptimal style and subjugation of teammates, i'm not going to let you or anyone else that was dead wrong trying to shove the Lebron 3-peat notion down my throat, forget about it... capiche?
.

So I'm a Lebron stan now? ISH retards can't seem to decide whether I'm a Kobe stan or a Lebron stan. :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm not trying to rag on Kyrie's defense, I agree that it could easily get much better, (and I think Lebron's presence will actually help that a great deal). Just that comparing it to the prime Wade we saw in 2011 and 2012 it's just not really in the same league. That's probably your two single best perimeter defenders in the league right there, so when they locked in on you, it was something really, really special.

I've always been a LeBron fan and I can't wait to see how the Cavs play, I think Irving and Love have the potential to fit really well with him and create something special. The screens like you mentioned combined with the shooting could make for one of the best offenses we've ever seen in the NBA.

All I'm saying is that the raw athleticism and perimeter D was what made those Heat teams so special, and that's a different dynamic from what the Cavs will bring to the table.
Oh, I agree. Kyrie is still probably 4-5 years away from his absolute prime. And, Wade was on the tail end of his prime in 2010-11. There's no comparison defensively between those Heat teams from a defensive standpoint and this Cavs team. The Heat played the kind of aggressive defense, especially in the early part of the 'Big 3', rarely seen in NBA history. All the hedging and perfect recovery... only supremely athletic guys almost literally playing on a string could accomplish it.

I'm thinking the Cavs have that potential... offensively. They're sort of the opposite of the Heat. Their strength is going to be in outscoring teams. Also, instead of having largely a roster chalk full of guys at the end of their primes, this one is chalk full of guys who are still a few years away from it.

Even Kevin Love at 25 may have his best days ahead of him from an individual performance standpoint.

One thing is for sure... the expectations have changed on Irving, Love, Waiters, Thompson, etc. in a way that I'm not sure they'll fully realize until halfway through this season or longer. Everything they do will now be under a microscope, on and off the court. I just hope they're ready.

Thankfully, having veterans like LeBron, Miller, Jones and Marion around should help expedite that process. Should be a fun season.

[3ball]

Thankfully, having veterans like LeBron, Miller, Jones and Marion around should help expedite that process. Should be a fun season.


Love and Kyrie are BOTH already All-Stars.... the Cavs are the only team itl with 3 All-Stars.

They represent the "cheat code" lebron gets to use to skip the normal player development stages that a supporting cast goes through (like when Pippen and Grant averaged 5.0ppg and 6.5ppg their rookie years and were garbage until year 3).

Lebron's a massive luck box that employs a style to maximize his numbers, even if capable teammates are diminished - don't believe me??... ask Bosh.... I'm just the messenger.

[RedBlackAttack]

Love and Kyrie are BOTH already All-Stars.... the Cavs are the only team itl with 3 All-Stars.

They represent the "cheat code" lebron gets to use to skip the normal player development stages that a supporting cast goes through (like when Pippen and Grant averaged 5.0ppg and 6.5ppg their rookie years and were garbage until year 3).

Lebron's a massive luck box that employs a style to maximize his numbers, even if capable teammates are diminished - don't believe me??... ask Bosh.... I'm just the messenger.
You, sir, have a one track mind. Who -- besides yourself -- is comparing LeBron James to Michael Jordan or this Cavs team to the Bulls in this thread? Why are you attempting to hijack this conversation and turn it into that? Aren't you ever tired of discussing the same topic over and over and over ad nauseum?

James is not in the conversation with MJ and never will be, imo. That good enough? Should we move on now?

[poido123]

So I'm a Lebron stan now? ISH retards can't seem to decide whether I'm a Kobe stan or a Lebron stan. :roll:


Guy is nuts.

Obsessed with MJ, yet calls other MJ fans out if they have one negative thing to say about him :oldlol:

[SugarHill]

:roll: He's living the life man, you're just jealous. :lol

I can see they've also lowered the rim for him too dunk on, he gets what he wants.
:roll:

[Nash]

I love how anytime an ex-teammate criticizes Lebron, it's because they're "salty," and not because Lebron may legitimately be an asshole.
who criticized Lebron?

[lilteapot]

who criticized Lebron?
Nobody.

This forum is full of the biggest retards you'll find on the internet.