Rebound(Lebron vs Michael Jordan)

[c5terror]

I know Lebron got tons or total rebound compare to MJ but don't be fool by his statpadding ass.

MJ>>>>Lebron on rebound here is why:

Most of Lebron rebound comes from easy to get defensive rebound. He rarely box out and fight for a rebound and if he fight for a rebound he often lose. He just wait for the opponent miss shot and steal rebound from teammates and if his teammates doesn't let him get his rebound, he'll be pissed. Look at this video, may be it's also one of the reason why Lebron leave the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZhm0wcwn0c tsk tsk such a diva.

Let see their offensive rebound stat.

MJ: From his rookie year up his 9th year, MJ collect 1131 offensive boards.
Lebron: From his rookie year up to today, LBJ collect 1030 offensive boards.

And lebron is 6'8 250+ lbs and is playing in an era of watered down bigman.

Another facts:
MJ: 125.66 offensive rebound per season( in his prime) rookie-9th year.
MJ: 119 offensive rebound per season on chicago
MJ: 111 offensive rebound per season on both chicago and wizard
Lebron: 93.6 offensive rebound per season(still prime)rookie-11th year
and this wil still go down as LBJ fade.

Offensive rebound is very hard to get because you have to fight for it every time and it takes so much energy and skills to get one and in MJ's case his doing this on Bigman golden era.

So in terms of hustle and rebounding, good anticipation and guessing if the ball will miss or not.....MJ>>>Lebron.

MJ craftiness and taking advantage of opponent mistake by not blocking him out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ziQNSETe4

[mehyaM24]

i evaluate players on skill, stats and competition. lebron simply does more than anyone in history, including jordan - and its not very close.

scoring: wash (lebron was more efficient
playmaking: lebron
rebounding: lebron
overall defense: lebron (can guard multiple positions on the floor)
athleticism: lebron
competition faced: lebron

lebron is a better rebounder because of his size, speed, and strength. essentially a pg in a PF body out-rebounding most of his peers H2H.

a better playmaker, also because of his height and strength (checkout his FULL court passes). there isn't anything he CANT do on the floor,which makes him the toughest cover in history. beethoven in sneakers :bowdown:

[c5terror]

i evaluate players on skill, stats and competition. lebron simply does more than anyone in history, including jordan - and its not very close.

scoring: wash (lebron was more efficient
playmaking: lebron
rebounding: lebron
overall defense: lebron (can guard multiple positions on the floor)
athleticism: lebron
competition faced: lebron

lebron is a better rebounder because of his size, speed, and strength. essentially a pg in a PF body out-rebounding most of his peers H2H.

a better playmaker, also because of his height and strength (checkout his FULL court passes). there isn't anything he CANT do on the floor,which makes him the toughest cover in history. beethoven in sneakers :bowdown:

scoring: Jordan by miles

playmaking: Jordan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiTOXUmsdoM
not a single play from lebron can compare to that LOL

rebounding: Jordan as I stated above

overall defense: Jordan (Lebron can't guard patty mills, green,terry, barea, parker, marion, nowitzki LOL).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gigN2zMU4

DOPY, 9x 1st defense 3rd steal title, 3rd alltime leader in steal.
athleticism: lebron i'll give you this

competition faced: Jordan( because Lebron always got beat down doesn't mean the league is tough its means someone is not better than Jordan but better than Lebron). east is garbage like never before

NExt..

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Theyre both comparable athletes
the difference is MJ is one of the most skilled players ever while Lebron is still a terrific athlete with some smarts. Hes not a technical or very skilled player just physically very dominant

[mehyaM24]

scoring: Jordan by miles

playmaking: Jordan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiTOXUmsdoM
not a single play from lebron can compare to that LOL

rebounding: Jordan as I stated above

overall defense: Jordan (Lebron can't guard patty mills, green,terry, barea, parker, marion, nowitzki LOL).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gigN2zMU4

DOPY, 9x 1st defense 3rd steal title, 3rd alltime leader in steal.
athleticism: lebron i'll give you this

competition faced: Jordan( because Lebron always got beat down doesn't mean the league is tough its means someone is not better than Jordan but better than Lebron). east is garbage like never before
outside of volume scoring, jordan has nothing on lebron and Kobe is better at every facet of the game - scoring (efficiently), shooting (three ball) defense, ball-handling, off hand, etc.

jordan has no CONSISTENT long range and was close to a liability in that regard. he struggled to score against taller, athletic swingmen, evident by his numbers during the 2nd 3 peat and wizards stint.

jrodan also lost 9 times in the playoffs, winning just once before pippen, the better all-around player of the two was drafted. he had a loaded roster, and his leadership is overrated.

jordan is the GOAT SG , but lebron > jordan overall.

[King Jane]

jordan scored on white dudes with mullets that would be nothin more than accountants in todays era

[3ball]

jordan scored on white dudes with mullets that would be nothin more than accountants in todays era



Jordan faced far better SG's...


Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER


..2014.................................1990

James Harden.................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade.................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili..................... Mitch Richmond*
Joe Johnson....................... Joe Dumars*
Demar Derozan.................. Reggie Miller*
Klay Thompson................... Ron Harper
Jamal Crawford.................. Fat Lever
Aaron Afflalo...................... Alvin Robertson
Nick Young......................... Dale Ellis
JJ Redick........................... Ricky Pierce
Kevin Martin....................... Hersey Hawkins
Wesley Matthews................ Jeff Hornacek
Gerald Green...................... Ronaldo Blackmon


HOF (*)




He faced better SF's too...


Starting SF's with Minimum 15.0 PER


..2014.................................1990

Lebron James*..................... Larry Bird*
Kevin Durant*...................... Dominique Wilkins*
Carmelo Anthony*................ Scottie Pippen*
Paul George........................ James Worthy*
Gordon Hayward.................. Chris Mullin*
Kawhi Leonard..................... Bernard King*
Trevor Ariza........................ Alex English*
Andre Iguodala.................... Adrian Dantley*
Nicholas Batum.................... Derrick McKey
Luol Deng............................ Reggie Lewis
Josh Smith.......................... Orlando Woolridge
Chandler Parsons.................. Mark Aguirre
Rudy Gay............................ Jerome Kersey

HOF (*)
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[mehyaM24]

If ANY of this was true - if Lebron was better than Michael friekking Jordan at all those aspects, he FLAT-OUT would not have the inferior stats, inferior performance and inferior results (2/5) that he has... and he wouldn't need to play with the very best talent to every single one of his rings.

meh, 2/5 > 1/10 (1-9 without pippen).

unabated truths , folks

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Jordan faced far better SG's...


..2014.................................1990

James Harden.................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade.................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili..................... Mitch Richmond*
Joe Johnson....................... Joe Dumars*
Demar Derozan.................. Reggie Miller*
Klay Thompson.................. Ron Harper
Jamal Crawford.................. Fat Lever
Aaron Afflalo...................... Alvin Robertson
Nick Young........................ Dale Ellis
JJ Redick............................Ricky Pierce
Kevin Martin...................... Hersey Hawkins
Wesley Matthews............... Jeff Hornacek
Gerald Green..................... Ronaldo Blackmon


HOF (*)
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WTF does this have to do with anything lol
Lebron isnt an SG WTF:wtf: :wtf:

[3ball]

i evaluate players on skill, stats and competition. lebron simply does more than anyone in history, including jordan - and its not very close.

scoring: wash (lebron was more efficient
playmaking: lebron
rebounding: lebron
overall defense: lebron (can guard multiple positions on the floor)
athleticism: lebron
competition faced: lebron

lebron is a better rebounder because of his size, speed, and strength. essentially a pg in a PF body out-rebounding most of his peers H2H.

a better playmaker, also because of his height and strength (checkout his FULL court passes). there isn't anything he CANT do on the floor,which makes him the toughest cover in history. beethoven in sneakers :bowdown:
If any of this was true - if Lebron was better than Michael Jordan at all those aspects, then he would not have the inferior stats, inferior performance and inferior results (2/5) that he has.

nor would he wouldn't need to play with the very best talent to every single one of his rings.

also, it's kind of dumb to keep calling lebron the better rebounder when OP already showed how Lebron is a VASTLY WORSE offensive rebounder, which means he only gets the easy rebounds - why am i not surprised on iota?

[mehyaM24]

Jordan faced far better SG's...


..2014.................................1990

James Harden.................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade.................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili..................... Mitch Richmond*
Joe Johnson....................... Joe Dumars*
Demar Derozan.................. Reggie Miller*
Klay Thompson.................. Ron Harper
Jamal Crawford.................. Fat Lever
Aaron Afflalo...................... Alvin Robertson
Nick Young........................ Dale Ellis
JJ Redick............................Ricky Pierce
Kevin Martin...................... Hersey Hawkins
Wesley Matthews............... Jeff Hornacek
Gerald Green..................... Ronaldo Blackmon


HOF (*)


prior to jordan, guards were usually 6''2-6''5, now they go up to even 6''8 or 6''9 (swingmen). just watch every Jordan game, and you will see a few things.

1) he was generally guarded by a shorter defender (2-3 inches shorter)
2) he was able to back his shorter defender down 1 on 1.


lebron Defenders:

Durant 6''9
AK47: 6''9
Prince 6''9
Battier 6''8 (now retired)
Marion 6''8
Pierce: 6''8
Posey 6''8
Johnson: 6''8
Harrington: 6''8
Bowen 6''7 (now retired)
Artest: 6''7
K.Martin 6''8
Bell: 6''5
Davis: 6''4

jordan Defenders:

Russell 6''7
Ehlo: 6''6
Payton: 6''4
Ainge: 6''4
Dumars: 6'3
Starks 6"3

lebron faces better, bigger, stronger, athletic players night in and night out against zone defenses (illegal in Jordan's day). all the elite defenders of the 80s were 6'4" and under (look it up).

bottom line...
typical defenders jordan faced 6''2 -6''5, less athletic
Typical swingmen lebron faces 6''5-6''9, more athletic

[mehyaM24]

jordan scored on white dudes with mullets that would be nothin more than accountants in todays era

honeslty it all comes down to what your definition of GOAT is. some are wierd and dont' judge players by skill sets and go by rings,etc. lebron is by far the most skilled player ever :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

jordan Defenders:

Ehlo
Ainge
Payton: 6''4
Dumars: 6'3


Don't cherry-pick the worst defenders - Compare the best to the best.


Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER


..2014.................................1990

James Harden.................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade.................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili..................... Mitch Richmond*
Joe Johnson....................... Joe Dumars*
Demar Derozan.................. Reggie Miller*
Klay Thompson................... Ron Harper
Jamal Crawford.................. Fat Lever
Aaron Afflalo...................... Alvin Robertson
Nick Young......................... Dale Ellis
JJ Redick........................... Ricky Pierce
Kevin Martin....................... Hersey Hawkins
Wesley Matthews................ Jeff Hornacek
Gerald Green...................... Ronaldo Blackmon


HOF (*)




Starting SF's with Minimum 15.0 PER


..2014.................................1990

Lebron James*..................... Larry Bird*
Kevin Durant*...................... Dominique Wilkins*
Carmelo Anthony*................ Scottie Pippen*
Paul George........................ James Worthy*
Gordon Hayward.................. Chris Mullin*
Kawhi Leonard..................... Bernard King*
Trevor Ariza........................ Alex English*
Andre Iguodala.................... Adrian Dantley*
Nicholas Batum.................... Derrick McKey
Luol Deng............................ Reggie Lewis
Josh Smith.......................... Orlando Woolridge
Chandler Parsons.................. Mark Aguirre
Rudy Gay............................ Jerome Kersey

HOF (*)





(look it up).


I did... Players were taller in Jordan's day...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_league_average_height,_weight,_age_and_playing _experience
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[c5terror]

outside of volume scoring, jordan has nothing on lebron and Kobe is better at every facet of the game - scoring (efficiently), shooting (three ball) defense, ball-handling, off hand, etc.

jordan has no CONSISTENT long range and was close to a liability in that regard. he struggled to score against taller, athletic swingmen, evident by his numbers during the 2nd 3 peat and wizards stint.

jrodan also lost 9 times in the playoffs, winning just once before pippen, the better all-around player of the two was drafted. he had a loaded roster, and his leadership is overrated.

jordan is the GOAT SG , but lebron > jordan overall.

Sorry you're wrong dude.
Outside of scoring..
Rebound MJ>Lebron as I stated on my thread.
Passing MJ>Lebron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiTOXUmsdoM
Defense MJ>Lebron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gigN2zMU4
MJ is not a liability on 3's because he only take few of them and most of his clutch 3's and game winner went in.

And pippen>Lebron outside of scoring

[mehyaM24]

regardless if you think shorter defenders are better or taller defenders are better, you can see that lebron goes up against more athletic taller defenders. FACT.

also, you consider that lebron 2003-2014 played against BOTH zone and handchecking (they still allow it) and his best season during that time span 2012 .FACT
Jordan only faced handchecking, not zone in his prime. FACT

[mehyaM24]

I did... Players were taller in Jordan's day...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_league_average_height,_weight,_age_and_playing _experience
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i just state the facts. the defenders are taller and more athletic today - its not disputable.

[c5terror]

regardless if you think shorter defenders are better or taller defenders are better, you can see that lebron goes up against more athletic taller defenders. FACT.

also, you consider that lebron 2003-2014 played against BOTH zone and handchecking (they still allow it) and his best season during that time span 2012 .FACT
Jordan only faced handchecking, not zone in his prime. FACT

It is also a fact that, lebron wasn't guarded that much as Jordan did, as you may know before 2013, to stop lebron just close the paint and let him shoot jumpers and he's done. LOL

[mehyaM24]

^lebron has faced more traps, zones, and sophisticated defense than jordan ever did. the help defense in todays game is just lightyears better than the 90s

[Nowitness]

the only competition lebron faces is out west and we all know how well he performs against those teams

jordan was also a better defender for sure. lebron couldnt contain kawhi leonard :biggums:

[3ball]

i just state the facts. the defenders are taller and more athletic today - its not disputable.
players were taller back then... so jordan faced taller defenders.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_league_average_height,_weight,_age_and_playing _experience







And Jordan obviously faced better SG's... and slightly better SF's too:





Starting SG's with Minimum 15.0 PER


..2014.................................1990

James Harden.................... Michael Jordan*
Dwayne Wade.................... Clyde Drexler*
Manu Ginobili..................... Mitch Richmond*
Joe Johnson....................... Joe Dumars*
Demar Derozan.................. Reggie Miller*
Klay Thompson................... Ron Harper
Jamal Crawford.................. Fat Lever
Aaron Afflalo...................... Alvin Robertson
Nick Young......................... Dale Ellis
JJ Redick........................... Ricky Pierce
Kevin Martin....................... Hersey Hawkins
Wesley Matthews................ Jeff Hornacek
Gerald Green...................... Ronaldo Blackmon

HOF (*)



Starting SF's with Minimum 15.0 PER


..2014.................................1990

Lebron James*..................... Larry Bird*
Kevin Durant*...................... Dominique Wilkins*
Carmelo Anthony*................ Scottie Pippen*
Paul George........................ James Worthy*
Gordon Hayward.................. Chris Mullin*
Kawhi Leonard..................... Bernard King*
Trevor Ariza........................ Alex English*
Andre Iguodala.................... Adrian Dantley*
Nicholas Batum.................... Derrick McKey
Luol Deng............................ Reggie Lewis
Josh Smith.......................... Orlando Woolridge
Chandler Parsons.................. Mark Aguirre
Rudy Gay............................ Jerome Kersey

HOF (*)

[c5terror]

^lebron has faced more traps, zones, and sophisticated defense than jordan ever did. the help defense in todays game is just lightyears better than the 90s

Sorry, He never did. the moment he did, he bail out pass LOL.
All Lebron face was an open jumpers because all team pre 2013 want him to shoot jumpers and is sliding under screen.

[3ball]

^lebron has faced more traps, zones, and sophisticated defense than jordan ever did. the help defense in todays game is just lightyears better than the 90s

Garbage - Lebron gets an open paint on most possessions as you see below, due to the floor-spreaders (also seen below) and defensive 3 seconds, which further clears the paint of defenders:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/aecd1ae80afe43c370373ea68b30122d.gif




Compare that to Jordan facing defenses that didn't guard the 3-point line or have defensive 3 seconds..

Watch the GIF below 3 or 4 times in order to notice the literal WALL of defenders (laimbeer, rodman, & salley all in a row, below):


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/61d58f40c5cf8604037d2faf4fa1c7f5.gif


Like night and day... :confusedshrug:
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[Nowitness]

2013 spurs gave bran 3 feet of space every play.

harder defenses :oldlol:

[jstern]

regardless if you think shorter defenders are better or taller defenders are better, you can see that lebron goes up against more athletic taller defenders. FACT.

also, you consider that lebron 2003-2014 played against BOTH zone and handchecking (they still allow it) and his best season during that time span 2012 .FACT
Jordan only faced handchecking, not zone in his prime. FACT

I once averaged out the height of every starting SG in NBA Live 95, and compared it to the average height of current SG (around 2010), and the 1995 SG were a little bit taller.

I don't remember most shooting guard being 6'3", 6'4" then. I saw someone in this page mention Payton as an example, he was a 6'4" PG. And even being a PG he was a better defender than every SG today.

[c5terror]

Garbage - Lebron gets an open paint on most possessions as you see below, due to the floor-spreaders (also seen below) and defensive 3 seconds, which further clears the paint of defenders:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/aecd1ae80afe43c370373ea68b30122d.gif




Compare that to Jordan facing defenses that didn't guard the 3-point line or have defensive 3 seconds..

Watch the GIF below 3 or 4 times in order to notice the literal WALL of defenders (laimbeer, rodman, & salley all in a row, below):


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/61d58f40c5cf8604037d2faf4fa1c7f5.gif


Like night and day... :confusedshrug:
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Damm lebron's footwork really sucks and i think he travel there but i'm not sure. And the defender is more afraid of chalmers than Lebron LOL

[Angel Face]

Jordan is a better rebounder. Lebron's position allows him to be nearer the basket, nevertheless Jordan averaged 6.2 rpg during his career including his stint in Washington, where else Lebron has 7.2 rpg career playing a position nearer the basket. What's more impressive, Jordan did it vs 90s and 80s bigs playing as a guard.

Forwards always have advantage over guards in terms of rebounding. Comparing their career rpg stats, Lebron only has 1rpg difference against Michael.

MJ career rpg 6.2
Lebron career rpg 7.2

[andgar923]

MJ is the better rebounder.

[poido123]

Damm lebron's footwork really sucks and i think he travel there but i'm not sure. And the defender is more afraid of chalmers than Lebron LOL


Wasn't a travel.

Have you played ball?

[poido123]

Jordan is a better rebounder. Lebron's position allows him to be nearer the basket, nevertheless Jordan averaged 6.2 rpg during his career including his stint in Washington, where else Lebron has 7.2 rpg career playing a position nearer the basket. What's more impressive, Jordan did it vs 90s and 80s bigs playing as a guard.

Forwards always have advantage over guards in terms of rebounding. Comparing their career rpg stats, Lebron only has 1rpg difference against Michael.

MJ career rpg 6.2
Lebron career rpg 7.2


Lebron is a better rebounder and he should be playing SF/PF.

Bigger size, fast and taller.

MJ is a very good rebounder as a SG, one of the best.

[3ball]

Lebron is a better rebounder and he should be playing SF/PF.

Bigger size, fast and taller.

MJ is a very good rebounder as a SG, one of the best.
Did you read the OP?....

Despite the bigger size, Lebron gets WAAAAAAAY less offensive rebounds than Jordan, year-in-year-out.

So Lebron only gets the easy rebounds....and at 6'8", his 7.2 rebound average is UNDERACHIEVING.... do you realize that?

[SHAQisGOAT]

prior to jordan, guards were usually 6''2-6''5, now they go up to even 6''8 or 6''9 (swingmen). just watch every Jordan game, and you will see a few things.

1) he was generally guarded by a shorter defender (2-3 inches shorter)
2) he was able to back his shorter defender down 1 on 1.


lebron Defenders:

Durant 6''9
AK47: 6''9
Prince 6''9
Battier 6''8 (now retired)
Marion 6''8
Pierce: 6''8
Posey 6''8
Johnson: 6''8
Harrington: 6''8
Bowen 6''7 (now retired)
Artest: 6''7
K.Martin 6''8
Bell: 6''5
Davis: 6''4

jordan Defenders:

Russell 6''7
Ehlo: 6''6
Payton: 6''4
Ainge: 6''4
Dumars: 6'3
Starks 6"3

lebron faces better, bigger, stronger, athletic players night in and night out against zone defenses (illegal in Jordan's day). all the elite defenders of the 80s were 6'4" and under (look it up).

bottom line...
typical defenders jordan faced 6''2 -6''5, less athletic
Typical swingmen lebron faces 6''5-6''9, more athletic


You're listing SF's vs SG's :facepalm Ofc SF's are usually taller, like how Bron is taller than MJ :rolleyes: You'll put a dude like Battier, Pierce or Kirilenko... on Jordan and he's getting blown by more often than not, though :oldlol:

D-Wade's not even 6'4 w/o shoes, neither is Tony Allen, Avery Bradley's 6'2, James Harden's 6'4 (can't talk about him when it comes to defense though lmfao)....

Sidney Moncrief (legit 6'4) or Michael Cooper (6'5 bare minimum) would still be the best perimeter defenders in the game had they been playing today, for example.

In fact, league's height average has decreased, and that's even with players being listed with shoes on nowadays.

Shit, people like to talk about the athleticism, and I'd argue that a dude like Larry Bird was guarded by more athletic players, overall/on average, than LeBron has, especially/mostly coming playoff time.

You're just a troll though, a sad tool, proven by stuff like this:



i evaluate players on skill, stats and competition. lebron simply does more than anyone in history, including jordan - and its not very close.

scoring: wash (lebron was more efficient
playmaking: lebron
rebounding: lebron
overall defense: lebron (can guard multiple positions on the floor)
athleticism: lebron
competition faced: lebron

lebron is a better rebounder because of his size, speed, and strength. essentially a pg in a PF body out-rebounding most of his peers H2H.

a better playmaker, also because of his height and strength (checkout his FULL court passes). there isn't anything he CANT do on the floor,which makes him the toughest cover in history. beethoven in sneakers :bowdown:


Funny that music hasn't evolved much to you, as opposed to basketball in 20 years or whatnot lmfao... You should've said Justin Biber in sneakers, or something along those lines :lol

[c5terror]

honeslty it all comes down to what your definition of GOAT is. some are wierd and dont' judge players by skill sets and go by rings,etc. lebron is by far the most skilled player ever :confusedshrug:

MJ,Kobe,Penny hardaway,Olajuwon, duncan were more skilled than lebron ever was.

[c5terror]

Again nobody can give a good answer why Lebron who's 6'8 250lbs playing with a shitty big era, were less that Jordan offensive rebound on MJ first nine years .