leonard in 1st preseason game

[Paul George 24]

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Fail

[Paul George 24]

Fail

corrected :lol

[Smook A.]

dayum

4th best SF this year behind LeBron, KD, and Melo

[Paul George 24]

dayum

4th best SF this year behind LeBron, KD, and Melo

not bad :lol and spurs will repeat

[JimmyMcAdocious]

The fallaway baseline was nice. The other two he's always been doing.

[Paul George 24]

The fallaway baseline was nice. The other two he's always been doing.

looks more smooth throught :lol

[TheMilkyBarKid]

the 2nd gif is a simple corner 3, nothing special at all. The other 2 I enjoyed though. Be interesting to see if Pop gives him more free reign, I believe we will see it a bit in the regular season, but more so come playoff time.

[Paul George 24]

the 2nd gif is a simple corner 3, nothing special at all. The other 2 I enjoyed though. Be interesting to see if Pop gives him more free reign, I believe we will see it a bit in the regular season, but more so come playoff time.

regular season for training his skills and used in playoffs :lol

[MiseryCityTexas]

not bad :lol and spurs will repeat


As much as the Mavs have improved this offseason, I still think the Spurs can beat them. Parker Green, and Ginobili are still better than the Mavs whole backcourt. Green and Ginobili are good enough one on one defenders to contain Monte Ellis. Tim Duncan, even at his current age, is still better than Tyson Chandler in his Mavs championship year, and Leonard is already so much better than Parsons.

[NZStreetBaller]

apparently K love is better ...

[MiseryCityTexas]

Spurs can steam roll through the Rockets with ease also. Spurs front court is slightly better than the Rockets. yeah Dwight is a better player now, but Dwight really not that much better than Duncan at his current old age, and Tiago Splitter can just score in the post with ease against a terrible post defender like Terrence Jones, and James harden is pretty much a non factor in the play-offs, and Patty Mills is better than most of the Rockets Point guards not named Patrick Beverely, and Tony Parker is better than every Rockets point guard on their roster.

[Magic731]

Leonard is too inconsistent. It's great that he shows up when it matters most, but he's got to start doing it every night during the regular season.

[Paul George 24]

apparently K love is better ...

who is k love ?? I dun even know :lol

[Paul George 24]

Leonard is too inconsistent. It's great that he shows up when it matters most, but he's got to start doing it every night during the regular season.

LEONARD IS INCONSITENT :lol
DID I HEARD SOMETHING WRONG,MAYBE U'RE TALKING ABOUT PG13 :facepalm

[Magic731]

LEONARD IS INCONSITENT :lol
DID I HEARD SOMETHING WRONG,MAYBE U'RE TALKING ABOUT PG13 :facepalm
He averaged 13/6 during the regular season. If he can do what he did in the playoffs against one of the best teams, why can't he bring that every night?

[Paul George 24]

He averaged 13/6 during the regular season. If he can do what he did in the playoffs against one of the best teams, why can't he bring that every night?

just think when ur team has gdp and no one even set play for u :lol
and no one plays more than 30 mins

stats won't mean everything :no:

[ArbitraryWater]

dayum

4th best SF this year behind LeBron, KD, and Melo

That was last year... This year he surpasses Melo...

And at best, if he drops an efficient 20/8 AND dpoty defense, who's to say he can't beat out KD?

[Magic731]

That was last year... This year he surpasses Melo...

And at best, if he drops an efficient 20/8 AND dpoty defense, who's to say he can't beat out KD?
Anyone with a brain.

[T_L_P]

That was last year... This year he surpasses Melo...

And at best, if he drops an efficient 20/8 AND dpoty defense, who's to say he can't beat out KD?

Kawhi's not coming close to 20 PPG, CERTAINLY not next year and probably not ever. He has fifteen 20 point games his entire career (roughly one every 15 games).

But even if he does, better than KD? So you think he could be the second best player in the league next year? :biggums:

[BuffaloBill]

He averaged 13/6 during the regular season. If he can do what he did in the playoffs against one of the best teams, why can't he bring that every night?


That 13/6 is just what the Spurs needed in the regular season though. It's not a coincidence that the spurs went on a 20 game winning streak when Kawhi came back from injury. Also he was only playing 29 mpg in the regular season.

[Magic731]

That 13/6 is just what the Spurs needed in the regular season though. It's not a coincidence that the spurs went on a 20 game winning streak when Kawhi came back from injury. Also he was only playing 29 mpg in the regular season.
Right, so he's a role player. Albeit a very good one. But people saying he's surpassed Anthony? Wow.

[BuffaloBill]

Right, so he's a role player. Albeit a very good one. But people saying he's surpassed Anthony? Wow.


One person said that. And he was clearly trolling.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kawhi's not coming close to 20 PPG, CERTAINLY not next year and probably not ever. He has fifteen 20 point games his entire career (roughly one every 15 games).

But even if he does, better than KD? So you think he could be the second best player in the league next year? :biggums:

YES.... Kawhi can become a Scottie Pippen like player with less playmaking..

As a Spurs fan you should know that the potential has always been there. He's just holding back.. He does exactly what the team wants/needs. Now, you don't think he's going to be more agressive and take a larger role, especially after what we saw in the Finals? Dude had three straight 20+ point games... In the finals.... On like 11.5 FGA :wtf:

This guy scored 29 on 77% (13 FGA), 20 on 58% (12 FGA), and 22 on 70% (10 FGA).......

So yes, I think he can average 20 in the regular season.

Edit: Not trolling - This year: Kawhi > Melo

Y'all are too obsessed with fancy stats and ppg... Kawhi brings more to the table. He's simply a better basketball player.

[BuffaloBill]

I'm a Spurs fan, and a big Kawhi Leonard fan. But I just don't see him averaging 20+ ppg this season. That's just not his game, that's not what the Spurs need from him right now. I would say that Kawhi would need to play around 34-35 mpg to get 20. No one on this team played more than 29 mpg this past season, and Pop did that purposely. He isn't gonna mess with that formula unless he needs to. The year Kawhi averages 20 ppg will be a struggle year for the Spurs.

[BuffaloBill]

Also Kawhi played 40 minutes in those games in the finals where he scored more than 20.

[Paul George 24]

Kawhi's not coming close to 20 PPG, CERTAINLY not next year and probably not ever. He has fifteen 20 point games his entire career (roughly one every 15 games).

But even if he does, better than KD? So you think he could be the second best player in the league next year? :biggums:


who cars how many points he scores when the spurs can repeat :lol

[DMV2]

I think Leonard can only be a 17-20 PPG player even if given 35 minutes a game, that's only because he actually plays defense. I'm talking about Tony Allen tight defense nearly every possession.

[Paul George 24]

I think Leonard can only be a 17-20 PPG player even if given 35 minutes a game, that's only because he actually plays defense. I'm talking about Tony Allen tight defense nearly every possession.


never say never

[russwest0]

YES.... Kawhi can become a Scottie Pippen like player with less playmaking..

As a Spurs fan you should know that the potential has always been there. He's just holding back.. He does exactly what the team wants/needs. Now, you don't think he's going to be more agressive and take a larger role, especially after what we saw in the Finals? Dude had three straight 20+ point games... In the finals.... On like 11.5 FGA :wtf:

This guy scored 29 on 77% (13 FGA), 20 on 58% (12 FGA), and 22 on 70% (10 FGA).......

So yes, I think he can average 20 in the regular season.

Well damn, he isn't going to be going up against LeBron's lackluster defense every night of the regular season.

[SsKSpurs21]

I'm a Spurs fan, and a big Kawhi Leonard fan. But I just don't see him averaging 20+ ppg this season. That's just not his game, that's not what the Spurs need from him right now. I would say that Kawhi would need to play around 34-35 mpg to get 20. No one on this team played more than 29 mpg this past season, and Pop did that purposely. He isn't gonna mess with that formula unless he needs to. The year Kawhi averages 20 ppg will be a struggle year for the Spurs.

agreed. this pretty much sums up why Kawhi wont be a 20ppg scorer...and when he does become one, it will be a struggle year for the Spurs.

:applause:

[G-train]

That was last year... This year he surpasses Melo...

And at best, if he drops an efficient 20/8 AND dpoty defense, who's to say he can't beat out KD?

Leonard is being overrated at times. He caught fire in the finals.

He won't ever be as good as Melo or Durant IMO.

He is a solid second/third option offensive player and a very good defender.

As long as the team wins, it's all pretty irrelevant.

[outbreak]

agreed. this pretty much sums up why Kawhi wont be a 20ppg scorer...and when he does become one, it will be a struggle year for the Spurs.

:applause:

Yulp barring any major changes to his game I still think a team that needs kawhi to score 25+ points a game is a team that isn't competing. Sure he will give you spurts of that when needed but I think he's always going to be a second\third option on scoring while contributing a lot more on other aspects of the game. I really like kawhi, in some ways a player who contributes like he does and gets his baskets in the flow without needing many plays run for him is more valuable than someone who will just score.

[La Frescobaldi]

Leonard is being overrated at times. He caught fire in the finals.

He won't ever be as good as Melo or Durant IMO.

He is a solid second/third option offensive player and a very good defender.

As long as the team wins, it's all pretty irrelevant.

This makes a lot of fans mad with gray-haired old man Fresco when I say it.
But I said it before the playoffs last spring when I started seriously studying the Spurs; said it again before the Finals; and I'm still saying it.

* Leonard is better than Anthony now. Anthony is a scoring player that adds little/nothing to his teams, and he's always been that way.

* Leonard is as good at or better than both Anthony or Durant at every single aspect of basketball except scoring with the ball in his hands.

* Unless something changes with Kevin Durant, that's where it will stand this season, just like it did last year. Durant still has vast room for improvement. So we'll see.

* Anthony is what he is, no more and no less. An unstoppable, ball-dominant scorer, a team spirit destroyer and a coach-killer at the level of Elvin Hayes - which is the worst I ever saw. Maybe Phil Jackson can turn that around, I dunno. I hope so. P Jax played with some guys like that in his Knicks playing career, and he also succeeded in turning Michael Jordan around.

Kawhi Leonard plays in the pocket at all times, does just what his team needs without ever going overboard/grandstanding, moves at all times only at the speed and intensity required and no more(truly an amazing ability), plays according to his coach and his team and to no inner vanity... and that, my friend, makes him one of the most dangerous players on an NBA court.

[bukowski81]

YES.... Kawhi can become a Scottie Pippen like player with less playmaking..

As a Spurs fan you should know that the potential has always been there. He's just holding back.. He does exactly what the team wants/needs. Now, you don't think he's going to be more agressive and take a larger role, especially after what we saw in the Finals? Dude had three straight 20+ point games... In the finals.... On like 11.5 FGA :wtf:

This guy scored 29 on 77% (13 FGA), 20 on 58% (12 FGA), and 22 on 70% (10 FGA).......

So yes, I think he can average 20 in the regular season.

Edit: Not trolling - This year: Kawhi > Melo

Y'all are too obsessed with fancy stats and ppg... Kawhi brings more to the table. He's simply a better basketball player.

He had those numbers because he isnt the focus of the defense, he isnt even the second or third priority of the opposing teams defense.

One of the main differences of the Spurs versus other teams is that they take advantage of things like that and trust their guys, while on the majority of the other teams the stars will take most shots regardles of how they are defending them.

[La Frescobaldi]

He had those numbers because he isnt the focus of the defense, he isnt even the second or third priority of the opposing teams defense.

One of the main differences of the Spurs versus other teams is that they take advantage of things like that and trust their guys, while on the majority of the other teams the stars will take most shots regardles of how they are defending them.

yeah. this right here. the Spurs are a real team through and through.

[NZStreetBaller]

Y'all are too obsessed with fancy stats and ppg... Kawhi brings more to the table.

This. Man ish has a major obsession with stats.....

[Paul George 24]

Leonard is being overrated at times. He caught fire in the finals.

He won't ever be as good as Melo or Durant IMO.

He is a solid second/third option offensive player and a very good defender.

As long as the team wins, it's all pretty irrelevant.

he get better and better everthing year,he caught fires in the finals,hv u ever watch 2013 finals,avg double double against the heat :banana:

[Paul George 24]

He had those numbers because he isnt the focus of the defense, he isnt even the second or third priority of the opposing teams defense.

One of the main differences of the Spurs versus other teams is that they take advantage of things like that and trust their guys, while on the majority of the other teams the stars will take most shots regardles of how they are defending them.

spurs will repeat this year :rockon:

[Paul George 24]

Leonard is being overrated at times. He caught fire in the finals.

He won't ever be as good as Melo or Durant IMO.

He is a solid second/third option offensive player and a very good defender.

As long as the team wins, it's all pretty irrelevant.

heat fans still mad they almost sweep by the spurs :lol

[navy]

This makes a lot of fans mad with gray-haired old man Fresco when I say it.
But I said it before the playoffs last spring when I started seriously studying the Spurs; said it again before the Finals; and I'm still saying it.

* Leonard is better than Anthony now. Anthony is a scoring player that adds little/nothing to his teams, and he's always been that way.

* Leonard is as good at or better than both Anthony or Durant at every single aspect of basketball except scoring with the ball in his hands.

* Unless something changes with Kevin Durant, that's where it will stand this season, just like it did last year. Durant still has vast room for improvement. So we'll see.

* Anthony is what he is, no more and no less. An unstoppable, ball-dominant scorer, a team spirit destroyer and a coach-killer at the level of Elvin Hayes - which is the worst I ever saw. Maybe Phil Jackson can turn that around, I dunno. I hope so. P Jax played with some guys like that in his Knicks playing career, and he also succeeded in turning Michael Jordan around.

Kawhi Leonard plays in the pocket at all times, does just what his team needs without ever going overboard/grandstanding, moves at all times only at the speed and intensity required and no more(truly an amazing ability), plays according to his coach and his team and to no inner vanity... and that, my friend, makes him one of the most dangerous players on an NBA court.

Scoring is the most important aspect of the game. Replace Melo with Kawhi and the Knicks win 10 games last year.

The gap between Durant and Kawhi is massive. Durant is the second best player in the league, was the best in the regular season last year. Kawhi is just a role player who got hot. I think like 60% of his shots were assisted.


And yes, I called Kawhi a role player.

Check out his stats in the first, second, and third round. You need a special kind of team (the spurs) to produce that much (little) and advance. Well not really if you are a role player.


Say what you want about Melo, but it's not like he's ever been put on a team that chuggs like the Spurs. It's insulting say Kawhi surpassed him, especially after the necessary difference he is called on to produce compared to Kawhi. Who getting 20 points is considered a good day. You think Melo could do what Kawhi does, give you about 15/7/3 and play defense and win games on any of his teams? No.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I think Leonard can only be a 17-20 PPG player even if given 35 minutes a game, that's only because he actually plays defense. I'm talking about Tony Allen tight defense nearly every possession.



never say never

He didn't say never. :facepalm

[Paul George 24]

Scoring is the most important aspect of the game. Replace melo with kawhi and the knicks win 10 games last year.

The gap between Durant an Kawhi is massive. Durant is the secon best player in the league, was the best in the regular season last year. Kawhi is just a role player who got hot. I think like 60% of his shots were assisted.


And yes, I called Kawhi a role player.

leflop's fans still stay saltly :lol

[Paul George 24]

Scoring is the most important aspect of the game. Replace melo with kawhi and the knicks win 10 games last year.

The gap between Durant and Kawhi is massive. Durant is the second best player in the league, was the best in the regular season last year. Kawhi is just a role player who got hot. I think like 60% of his shots were assisted.


And yes, I called Kawhi a role player.

heat fans still mad :oldlol:

[navy]

There was literally no anger in my post, just truth. And I was sticking up for Melo and Durant lol. Quit being dumb, although Im not sure I've seen a post that shows you are capable of that.

[russwest0]

heat fans still mad :oldlol:

right? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

cause thats what I'm seeing

[Milbuck]

And at best, if he drops an efficient 20/8 AND dpoty defense, who's to say he can't beat out KD?
Really? Durant was playing at a higher level than Lebron for several months in the regular season. He was underwhelming in the playoffs, but he's shown that his highest level is one of the highest levels of basketball ever.

Kawhi is a terrific young player, a future multiple time all-star, and imo incredibly underrated by the hordes of people claiming he's product of the system. But this is the point where he gets overrated...he is not, nor will he at any point this upcoming season be on Durant's level.

This is just like the people who were saying Paul George was Lebron level early this past season...only difference is, PG was actually dropping 25 ppg and leading his team to the best record in the NBA at the beginning of the season, whereas here the season hasn't even started and we're throwing out the possibility of Kawhi surpassing Durant?

[navy]

Forgot about Paul George, he's better than Kawhi as well. If you want to argue between him and melo, the discussion can at least be entertained.

lol at comparing them to Durant

[Milbuck]

Forgot about Paul George, he's better than Kawhi as well. If you want to argue between him and melo, the discussion can at least be entertained.

lol at comparing them to Durant
Been trying to lay off AW as of recently...but he just keeps coming back and saying some of the most retarded stuff, even worse considering I know he's not actually that dumb.

Kawhi was a 13 ppg player last season...but I guess 3 good finals games means he can surpass a 32/7/6/1/1 on 64%, just under 30 PER monster within the year :oldlol:

[La Frescobaldi]

Scoring is the most important aspect of the game. Replace Melo with Kawhi and the Knicks win 10 games last year.

The gap between Durant and Kawhi is massive. Durant is the second best player in the league, was the best in the regular season last year. Kawhi is just a role player who got hot. I think like 60% of his shots were assisted.


And yes, I called Kawhi a role player.

Check out his stats in the first, second, and third round. You need a special kind of team (the spurs) to produce that much (little) and advance. Well not really if you are a role player.


Say what you want about Melo, but it's not like he's ever been put on a team that chuggs like the Spurs. It's insulting say Kawhi surpassed him, especially after the necessary difference he is called on to produce compared to Kawhi. Who getting 20 points is considered a good day. You think Melo could do what Kawhi does, give you about 15/7/3 and play defense and win games on any of his teams? No.

I absolutely think if Anthony had played like that in Denver, or with Chandler in New York, they would have won lots more games.

See, we disagree about basketball at the most fundamental level.

Yes, scoring IS the most important aspect of the game. FOR A TEAM, NOT A PLAYER.

Can you name all the season scoring champs who actually went on to win a championship that year? It is a very very short list.

Like Bill Russell said 40 years ago - just about anybody in the NBA can score 20 points a night. They proved it in college or they wouldn't be in the NBA. But actual scoring, for both teams combined, only takes up about 8 minutes a game. What's happening for the other 40 minutes?

That is where games are won.

[Paul George 24]

Forgot about Paul George, he's better than Kawhi as well. If you want to argue between him and melo, the discussion can at least be entertained.

lol at comparing them to Durant

PG NO SHOW BACK TO BACK YEARS IN PLAYOFFS :lol
LEONARD IS A BIG TIME PLAYER SINCE 2012:applause:

[Paul George 24]

Forgot about Paul George, he's better than Kawhi as well. If you want to argue between him and melo, the discussion can at least be entertained.

lol at comparing them to Durant

HEAT FANS STILL MAD,THEY FAIL TO 3 PEAT :roll:

[Paul George 24]

There was literally no anger in my post, just truth. And I was sticking up for Melo and Durant lol. Quit being dumb, although Im not sure I've seen a post that shows you are capable of that.
STOP MAKING EXCUSE :lol