Better Spin move: Michael Jordan Vs Lebron James

[c5terror]

MJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64QB8_OB0pg

Lebron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwKwiftfVmA

I have to go with MJ
Discuss.

[Smook A.]

http://youtu.be/EGz28E_Juyk?t=2m4s

End the thread.

[Black and White]

Why do you feel the need to clog the forum up more with a thread like this? You do realise that nobody aside from a few trolls thinks that LeBron is even comparable to Jordan right?

You doing this is just giving the trolls what they want.

[sundizz]

They use it differently. Jordan used it a lot to spin to create a little separation for a mid range jumper. Bron uses it going full speed on a break/to finish off a layup. He pretty rarely uses it while setting up for a jump shot.

[Prometheus]

Kobe

[AirFederer]

For real?

Nobody outspins MJ :no:

[sdot_thadon]

:facepalm this is just as stupid as the 3pt thread.....carry on.

[Hoopz2332]

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LeBron James Sick Spin Move & Layup Vs Heat (3.2.09)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzSUTamrYnY&hd=1


LeBron James SICK! Spin Move on Brezec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGIt9TehF8&hd=1

LeBron James Spin Move Layup Heat vs Clippers 2_8_13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDYt68G3XkI&hd=1

LeBron James Spin Back Jumper on Pietrus [2.11.10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SDaTT1ykM0&hd=1


LeBron James shakes & bakes the Wolves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZSOnexjLh4&hd=1


LeBron James Spin Move and Slam Dunk- Miami Heat Debut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaKjs33eGq4&hd=1


LeBron with the spin and the jam!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kccp4u36Mc&hd=1

[riseagainst]

Kobe

[JellyBean]

My washing machine.

[navy]

http://youtu.be/EGz28E_Juyk?t=2m4s

End the thread.
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[Cobra Kai]

Lebron has the ideally perfect height to weight ratio of the likes we have never seen which gives him the amazing ability to perfectly spin at full speeds with full agility, grace and balance to make the perfect spin move to either get his patented And1, an ATG dunk, or a crisp perfectly guided pass to a 3pt shooter.

MJ's spin moves may have looked flashier and more effortless but that was because he played back in a time before they had advanced defensive schemes and was skinnier which gave a false illusion.

You can't always go with the eye test which can play tricks on your mind. Sometimes you just have to believe when people say a certain player is better.

[MP.Trey]

Better crab dribble: LeBron James vs Michael Jordan

[G0ATbe]

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[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan, age 40:

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Jordan age 33:

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[ArbitraryWater]

GOAT Spin:

http://watch.nba.com/nba/video/games/knicks/2012/11/03/0021200020-mia-nyk-play6.nba

Damn he could have dunked it also :eek:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan. Better footwork. Quicker. Faster foot speed. All sets the move up much more for devastating affect. Plus when MJ catches in the post his drop step spin is blinding fast. LeBron is good for his size though.

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron easily

MJ's was nice, but weak

[20Four]

LeBron easily

MJ's was nice, but weak
Reported you stupid son of a b|tch, im tired of your shit you burger flipper

[Trollsmasher]

Reported you stupid son of a b|tch, im tired of your shit you burger flipper
projection noted

[andgar923]

Aside from MJ doing it faster, Mj did it against multiple defenders and clogged lanes more frequently.

He used to avoid double teams and then spin and somehow manage to slither his way around 2 more defenders.

MJ and not even close :no:

[andgar923]

There's about 6 spin moves here that are gif worthy.... have fun guys, time to cook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RLjmI6fK4&list=TLejRRTiTgJzOthkOZ39QEfF34gR5f05Hi&channel=UCkc3OB8Y1tdE2bU8T-mlLng

[AboutBuckets]

http://youtu.be/EGz28E_Juyk?t=2m4s

End the thread.


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[jstern]

I wanted to post a spin move that Jordan did with the Dream Team, but couldn't find it.

I'll post this one, because I like that little extension he did with his left leg. I tried it and it's extremely effective. It's subtle, but amazing footwork, if you truly understand it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3tEmNWHHLg

Lebron is good for his size, but this is something that we shouldn't be comparing the two at.

[Dro]

Why do you feel the need to clog the forum up more with a thread like this? You do realise that nobody aside from a few trolls thinks that LeBron is even comparable to Jordan right?

You doing this is just giving the trolls what they want.
This.....

[Dro]

Lebron has the ideally perfect height to weight ratio of the likes we have never seen which gives him the amazing ability to perfectly spin at full speeds with full agility, grace and balance to make the perfect spin move to either get his patented And1, an ATG dunk, or a crisp perfectly guided pass to a 3pt shooter.

MJ's spin moves may have looked flashier and more effortless but that was because he played back in a time before they had advanced defensive schemes and was skinnier which gave a false illusion.

You can't always go with the eye test which can play tricks on your mind. Sometimes you just have to believe when people say a certain player is better.
Not sure if serious:lol

[oarabbus]

**** these Jordan vs Lebron threads. They got old fast. Why are MJ stans so insecure? NO ONE thinks LeBron is better than MJ except blatant trolls. Why are MJ stans so insufferable.

[Dro]

**** these Jordan vs Lebron threads. They got old fast. Why are MJ stans so insecure? NO ONE thinks LeBron is better than MJ except blatant trolls. Why are MJ stans so insufferable.
You can say the same thing about Lebron stans.......And its the SAME person making all these threads yet you group everyone together.........

[Beastmode88]

Lebron has the ideally perfect height to weight ratio of the likes we have never seen which gives him the amazing ability to perfectly spin at full speeds with full agility, grace and balance to make the perfect spin move to either get his patented And1, an ATG dunk, or a crisp perfectly guided pass to a 3pt shooter.

MJ's spin moves may have looked flashier and more effortless but that was because he played back in a time before they had advanced defensive schemes and was skinnier which gave a false illusion.

You can't always go with the eye test which can play tricks on your mind. Sometimes you just have to believe when people say a certain player is better.

:biggums: :biggums:

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TODAY'S ELITE DEFENSE :bowdown: :bowdown:

[oarabbus]

You can say the same thing about Lebron stans.......And its the SAME person making all these threads yet you group everyone together.........

c5terror and 3ball are Jordan stans man. The LeBron trolls are just as bad if not worse but as of RIGHT NOW they aren't the ones spamming these topics.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I wanted to post a spin move that Jordan did with the Dream Team, but couldn't find it.

This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9lQQMvzPw#t=1m51s

Usually you see it from the reverse angle.

[jstern]

This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9lQQMvzPw#t=1m51s

Usually you see it from the reverse angle.

Yup, that's the one. And yeah, I was thinking of it in the reverse angle.

[Dro]

c5terror and 3ball are Jordan stans man. The LeBron trolls are just as bad if not worse but as of RIGHT NOW they aren't the ones spamming these topics.
I mean, I'm with you on that...They both are annoying.......

[jaybee682]

MJ did everything better than Lebron on offense and defense. MJ would make Lebron ball up in a corner, suck his thumb and cry.

[Just2McFly]

Iverson and Wade>>>>

[Elosha]

There's about 6 spin moves here that are gif worthy.... have fun guys, time to cook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RLjmI6fK4&list=TLejRRTiTgJzOthkOZ39QEfF34gR5f05Hi&channel=UCkc3OB8Y1tdE2bU8T-mlLng

They are both very elite, but Jordan's spins are quicker, more acrobatic and better balanced. Lebron's spins are also great and extremely quick for his size, but he doesn't have quite the same panache or unpredictability to them. Jordan can spin right into an acrobatic reverse lay up or another move, Lebron's more straightforward and basic in his finishes. Both are highly effective, but Jordan's spins are quicker and more creative.

This video is a good example of why I think Jordan's the "better" finisher as I stated in that thread. It's not just who has the higher statistical percentage as a finisher, particularly since Lebron got so many open fast breaks in Miami that enhanced his percentage over these last years. It's really who can produce the best and most versatile finishes against the best defenses concentrated to stop them. And Jordan is simply better than Lebron in this regard. Overall, He's simply a better, more determined, creative, acrobatic, versatile, and skilled scorer than Lebron. There's no shame in that, Jordan's better than practically anyone in that regard. That doesn't mean Lebron isn't obviously a tremendous scorer, one of the best statistically. That doesn't mean there aren't legitimate arguments that Lebron is better in other aspects of the game, and people can even argue (weakly in my opinion) that Lebron's the greater overall player. But when posters start implying that Lebron's a better scorer or is more offensively skilled, it's really getting just silly.

[andgar923]

They are both very elite, but Jordan's spins are quicker, more acrobatic and better balanced. Lebron's spins are also great and extremely quick for his size, but he doesn't have quite the same panache or unpredictability to them. Jordan can spin right into an acrobatic reverse lay up or another move, Lebron's more straightforward and basic in his finishes. Both are highly effective, but Jordan's spins are quicker and more creative.

This video is a good example of why I think Jordan's the "better" finisher as I stated in that thread. It's not just who has the higher statistical percentage as a finisher, particularly since Lebron got so many open fast breaks in Miami that enhanced his percentage over these last years. It's really who can produce the best and most versatile finishes against the best defenses concentrated to stop them. And Jordan is simply better than Lebron in this regard. Overall, He's simply a better, more determined, creative, acrobatic, versatile, and skilled scorer than Lebron. There's no shame in that, Jordan's better than practically anyone in that regard. That doesn't mean Lebron isn't obviously a tremendous scorer, one of the best statistically. That doesn't mean there aren't legitimate arguments that Lebron is better in other aspects of the game, and people can even argue (weakly in my opinion) that Lebron's the greater overall player. But when posters start implying that Lebron's a better scorer or is more offensively skilled, it's really getting just silly.

amen

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weak :facepalm

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[Trollsmasher]

Thank Hoopz. Now I can confidently say that LeBron's spins are not only stronger in finish, but also quicker in overall execution:applause:

Impressive for a man of his size to easily perform moves quicker than prime MJ.

[rhowen4]

So trivial I'm not even gonna waste time posting

[Hoopz2332]

Thank Hoopz. Now I can confidently say that LeBron's spins are not only stronger in finish, but also quicker in overall execution:applause:

Impressive for a man of his size to easily perform moves quicker than prime MJ.


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[pauk]

Same imo, Lebron just covers more ground with it due to his strides.

Anything at a bigger size is unfortunately more dangerous in basketball..... literally anything....

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[Hoopz2332]

speed and power:bowdown:

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[f0und]

Same imo, Lebron just covers more ground with it due to his strides.

Anything at a bigger size is unfortunately more dangerous in basketball..... literally anything....

he covers more distance because he takes more steps. today, almost every drive to the basket with a spin move is pretty much a travel. notice in the jordan video, almost all his spin moves to the basket was done off one foot. right foot plant and spin. left foot plant, gather, and jump. you hardly ever see that kind of spin move anymore cuz players know they can take an extra step.

today, almost all spin moves comes off the extra step. right foot plant and spin. left foot plant, right foot plant and jumps off two feet. some players will stretch out the two foot plant to cover more distance. now the spin and jump off two feet im ok with. but the spin and stretching it out as far as possible where it kinda looks like he's goin off two feet, but is really taking an extra step and jumping off one foot, that is a bit much. its an obvious travel and they never call it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

he covers more distance because he takes more steps. today, almost every drive to the basket with a spin move is pretty much a travel. notice in the jordan video, almost all his spin moves to the basket was done off one foot. right foot plant and spin. left foot plant, gather, and jump. you hardly ever see that kind of spin move anymore cuz players know they can take an extra step.

today, almost all spin moves comes off the extra step. right foot plant and spin. left foot plant, right foot plant and jumps off two feet. some players will stretch out the two foot plant to cover more distance. now the spin and jump off two feet im ok with. but the spin and stretching it out as far as possible where it kinda looks like he's goin off two feet, but is really taking an extra step and jumping off one foot, that is a bit much. its an obvious travel and they never call it.

Yup, exactly. Jordan really only did this type of spin once or twice in his career, and only later in his career. One was posted earlier, against NJ from 1998: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3tEmNWHHLg. Notice how much distance he covers due to the extra step/shuffle of the feet. That's the ONLY type of spin that today's players like Wade and Lebron do - they never or only rarely do the types of spins I posted of Jordan.

[Hoopz2332]

1/2 spin?

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[OldSchoolBBall]

1/2 spin?

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Jordan used to do that all the time.

[Hoopz2332]

Jordan used to do that all the time.

It's basically the "Smitty", Steve Smith move

[Hoopz2332]

lebron drop step-half spin

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[Hoopz2332]

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[Hoopz2332]

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[ArbitraryWater]

GOAT Spin:

http://watch.nba.com/nba/video/games/knicks/2012/11/03/0021200020-mia-nyk-play6.nba

Damn he could have dunked it also :eek:

Anyone got a gif for this?

[Hoopz2332]

Anyone got a gif for this?


what is it? The link is broken for me

[ArbitraryWater]

what is it? The link is broken for me

hm not broken for me...

LeBron's spin vs Knicks 2012/2013, November 3 2012..

screenshot:

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Could have dunked it... Would have made the GOAT spin.

[Hoopz2332]

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I'll try getting a vid of the other angles

[Hoopz2332]

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[3ball]

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[3ball]

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Why is it everytime I see a lebron highlight, I think "Wow, ZERO rim-protection... Jordan did that way better, and amongst no spacing when it was way harder to do it".. Why do I always think this?


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[Hoopz2332]

Why is it everytime I see a lebron highlight, I think "Wow, ZERO rim-protection... Jordan did that way better, and amongst no spacing when it was way harder to do it"... Why do I always think this?





wait, so there is no defense being played in these clips?:oldlol:

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[3ball]

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You were so proud of this uncontested layup that you posted it... how cute


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But it doesn't compare to big boy basketball below.... anyone would agree with this.


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They're the same play, only Jordan has to finish over defenders because of no spacing - The more difficult finish required in the previous era was typical, because the brand of basketball in Jordan's era was a tougher brand of basketball.

[Hoopz2332]

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You were so proud of this uncontested layup that you posted it... how cute


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I posted a variety of spins and finishes







But it doesn't compare to big boy basketball below.... anyone would agree with this.


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They're the same play, only Jordan has to finish over defenders because of no spacing - The more difficult finish required in the previous era was typical, because the brand of basketball in Jordan's era was a tougher brand of basketball.


The 2 lbj gifs above are better than that. lebron is getting tackled here and still can't stop him:eek:

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[3ball]

lebron is getting tackled here and still can't stop him



Being able to run someone over with a full head of steam is not one of the more useful skills in basketball.



Jordan didn't need to get a good head of steam to run someone like Shaq over anyway.. off a spin move.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWW1V3TU5ls&t=4m08s

Or Barkely...

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dropstep_dunks_over_bar_8a0fc3e5bb54358a36b 23126fd6c46a0.gif



The more relevant factor is Lebron's lack of elite explosion, quickness, hangtime and skill in tight quarters, which is would prevent his spin move from being as effective as Jordan's was while playing big-boy basketball (you know, no spacing, no defensive 3 seconds, physicality, all contested two-pointers).


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[andgar923]

Im sorry Hoopz. Bron does have a legit argument at being a better passer than MJ, honestly it's very close.

But spin move?

No contest

[Round Mound]

Im sorry Hoopz. Bron does have a legit argument at being a better passer than MJ, honestly it's very close.

But spin move?

No contest

This

[Hoopz2332]

Being able to run someone over with a full head of steam is not one of the more useful skills in basketball.



Jordan didn't need to get a good head of steam to run someone like Shaq over anyway.. off a spin move.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWW1V3TU5ls&t=4m08s

Or Barkely...

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dropstep_dunks_over_bar_8a0fc3e5bb54358a36b 23126fd6c46a0.gif




Lebron wasn't even going that fast. It was actually a slow spin for him:confusedshrug:




The more relevant factor is Lebron's lack of elite explosion, quickness, hangtime and skill in tight quarters, which is would prevent his spin move from being as effective as Jordan's was while playing big-boy basketball (you know, no spacing, no defensive 3 seconds, physicality, all contested two-pointers).


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Lebron is bigger so it would make sense for him to not fit/slide through tight spaces but he actually does have those same type of hanging spin finishes. i'llhave to dig some up:pimp:

for now though


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LOL Classic Lebron-Ball here (where lebron waits and waits for the perfect opportunity, while teammates get marginalized)
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[3ball]

lebron even has to take time to set up his spin move.... :facepalm

[3ball]

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Lebron lacks elite explosiveness, quickness, hangtime, and skill in tight quarters, so he won't be doing this at 35 of a spin move...


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Or this ever..


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[Harison]

For real?

Nobody outspins MJ :no:

Hakeem wants a word with you :cheers: