So, 3800 people in Africa died of ebola this past year, is that right?

[CavaliersFTW]

...How many died of influenza?

In the U.S. the figure is hard to peg but the CDC puts the average number of annual deaths in the United States somewhere between 3,000 and 49,000. Globally this figure is an estimated 250,000 to 500,000 worldwide every year.

A good portion of that 1/4 to half a million figure is going to be Africa. Safe to assume a lot more than 3800 people have died of influenza in Africa versus ebola.

[Nick Young]

You're a retard to minimize this virus. Even in state of the art medical facilities, it iss 50% survival rate, and you are permanently braindamaged if you survive.

Do you know what ebola does? You bleed out of every orifice. You are literally shitting blood and vomiting blood and bleeding out your ears until you die. Only a dumbass would mock this virus. Bad karma bro.

[CavaliersFTW]

You're a retard to minimize this virus. Even in state of the art medical facilities, it iss 50% survival rate, and you are permanently braindamaged if you survive.

Do you know what ebola does? You bleed out of every orifice. You are literally shitting blood and bleeding out your ears until you die. Only a dumbass would mock this virus. Bad karma bro.
I'm pointing out the fear mongering. Not mocking anything.

Remember avian flu? Swine flu? Also global epidemics of unprecedented magnitude, according to the news.

[Nick Young]

I'm mocking the fear mongering.

Remember avian flu? Swine flu?
I read about ebola in national geographic when I was 6, 18 years ago. It was uncurable then and still uncurable now.

Back then it was only in tiny isolated villages. Now it is spreading. It is killing healthcare professionals in state of the art "world class" facilities, even though they are having no physical contact with the victim's fluids, and literally completely sealed off from them in layers of medical grade plastic.

You are a dumbass to mock this disease. With swine flu and avian flu, they were only afraid that the disease would mutate to affect humans. Ebola has been killing humans since the 70s, still has no cure, and is spreading like an epidemic in Africa. If you survive, congrats you get brain damage! It is also highly contagious. And now it is on American soil. Only a dumbass would mock ebola.

In this case, the people who are fearmongering are correct. The people who think "Oh ebola is easy to contain if it comes to America" are retards. It is that kind of idiotic thinking that can lead to mass epidemic.

[CavaliersFTW]

I read about ebola in national geographic when I was 6, 18 years ago. It was uncurable then and still uncurable now.

Back then it was only in tiny isolated villages. Now it is spreading. It is killing healthcare professionals in state of the art "world class" facilities, even though they are having no physical contact with the victim's fluids, and literally completely sealed off from them in layers of medical grade plastic.

You are a dumbass to mock this disease. With swine flu and avian flu, they were only afraid that the disease would mutate to affect humans. Ebola has been killing humans since the 70s, still has no cure, and is spreading like an epidemic in Africa. If you survive, congrats you get brain damage! It is also highly contagious. And now it is on American soil. Only a dumbass would mock ebola.
Wow, all that text and you are still more likely to catch the flu and die from it than ebola. I hope you got your flu shot this year.

[ArbitraryWater]

I read about ebola in national geographic when I was 6, 18 years ago. It was uncurable then and still uncurable now.

Back then it was only in tiny isolated villages. Now it is spreading. It is killing healthcare professionals in state of the art "world class" facilities, even though they are having no physical contact with the victim's fluids, and literally completely sealed off from them in layers of medical grade plastic.

You are a dumbass to mock this disease. With swine flu and avian flu, they were only afraid that the disease would mutate to affect humans. Ebola has been killing humans since the 70s, still has no cure, and is spreading like an epidemic in Africa. If you survive, congrats you get brain damage! It is also highly contagious. And now it is on American soil. Only a dumbass would mock ebola.

In this case, the people who are fearmongering are correct. The people who think "Oh ebola is easy to contain if it comes to America" are retards. It is that kind of idiotic thinking that can lead to mass epidemic.

Pretty much..

OP on his Retard trip atm

[CavaliersFTW]

Pretty much..

OP on his Retard trip atm
Ebola is deadly... but it is not highly contagious. You are far more likely to catch and then die from the common flu. Hope you all found time to get your flu vaccines in your panic over ebola.

[Maga_1]

Maybe Wilt could "kill" Ebola, like he did with the moutain lion.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Ebola is deadly... but it is not highly contagious. You are far more likely to catch and then die from the common flu. Hope you all found time to get your flu vaccines in your panic over ebola.

That's what they say in the news, but it makes you wonder how a virus that can't survive more then several hours outside a human body manages to infect healthcare workers all over western Africa, and even in the US where we'd expect our medical policies to be first class.

I think the panic is coming from the finality of what'll happen IF you do catch it. Similar to fear of planes. Your chances of getting into a plane accident is minuscule compared to a car accident, but if you DO get into a plane accident...

[CavaliersFTW]

There are about 7,000,000,000 people on this planet.

About 62,000,000 people died last year.

Or one in every 113 people.

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About 17,000,000 people died last year of heart disease.

About 1,200,000 people died last year from car crashes

About 400,000 people died last year from the common flu

So:

One in every 5 people who died, died of heart disease.

One in every 50 people who died, died in a car crash.

One in every 155 people who died, died from the common flu.

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About 3,800 died of ebola.

One in every 16,000 people who died, died from ebola.

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There are far more relevant things to waste your ****ing time worrying about than catching ebola. Get your flu vaccination, eat a heart healthy snack and buckle your seatbelt in your car.

Or just live in morbid fear of the deadly but extremely unlikely-to-ever-reach-you ebola virus I guess.

[Nick Young]

Ebola is deadly... but it is not highly contagious. You are far more likely to catch and then die from the common flu. Hope you all found time to get your flu vaccines in your panic over ebola.
Its not highly contagious, why are health care professionals in state of the art medical facilities taking the utmost precautions catching it?:hammerhead:

Why is it spreading like wildfire in Africa if it isn't contagious? It's highly contagious. The only reason you're more likely to catch the flu is because this outbreak of ebola hasn't had enough time to spread out yet.

Ebola is highly contagious. You are a dumbass to mock it. If we let more assholes like Mr. Duncan in to the country and don't catch it in time, we are phucked.

[Nick Young]

There are about 7,000,000,000 people on this planet.

About 62,000,000 people died last year.

Or one in every 113 people.

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About 17,000,000 people died last year of heart disease.

About 1,200,000 people died last year from car crashes

About 400,000 people died last year from the common flu

So:

One in every 5 people who died, died of heart disease.

One in every 50 people who died, died in a car crash.

One in every 155 people who died, died from the common flu.

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About 3,800 died of ebola.

One in every 16,000 people who died, died from ebola.

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There are far more relevant things to waste your ****ing time worrying about than catching ebola. Get your flu vaccination, eat a heart healthy snack and buckle your seatbelt in your car.

Or just live in morbid fear of the deadly but extremely unlikely-to-ever-reach-you ebola virus I guess.
Why are you so retarded? That's only because ebola hasn't had time to spread all over the globe. You can only catch it in a small region of the world. This time a year ago, ebola was only catchable in a few isolated swamps in Africa. Now it is infecting thousands. Give it time before you mock it, retard. You don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. It is a highly contagious disease and can lay dormant for up to a month. For all we know there can be a thousand African internationals infected with the disease roaming around America on vacation right now. You don't know shit about this.

[CavaliersFTW]

Its not highly contagious, why are health care professionals in state of the art medical facilities taking the utmost precautions catching it?:hammerhead:

Why is it spreading like wildfire in Africa if it isn't contagious? It's highly contagious. The only reason you're more likely to catch the flu is because this outbreak of ebola hasn't had enough time to spread out yet.

Ebola is highly contagious. You are a dumbass to mock it. If we let more assholes like Mr. Duncan in to the country and don't catch it in time, we are phucked.
Cause it's their job.

[CavaliersFTW]

Why are you so retarded? That's only because ebola hasn't had time to spread all over the globe. You can only catch it in a small region of the world. This time a year ago, ebola was only catchable in a few isolated swamps in Africa. Now it is infecting thousands. Give it time before you mock it, retard. You don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. It is a highly contagious disease and can lay dormant for up to a month. For all we know there can be a thousand African internationals infected with the disease roaming around America on vacation right now. You don't know shit about this.
Sure, it's only had since 1976.

[Nick Young]

Cause it's their job.
It is their job to catch ebola?:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Sure, it's only had since 1976.
It has never had an outbreak like this until now because it has been so isolated.

You are phucking retarded.

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It has never had an outbreak like this until now because it has been so isolated.

You are phucking retarded.
:facepalm
Your the retard who posts conspiracy theories about how the virus has to spread in different ways because nurses get sick even though she admitted she touched her mouth with her glove. It's never 100% safe for aid workers with a virus like this. The facts are that it's not a big threat to the western world. It doesn't matter how bad the symptoms are. Things like Malaria are horrible but yet again they aren't a threat to the western world. It's right to implement screening and be cautious about it because you don't want anyone to be sick with anything but carrying on like it's going to kill a large number of people and we need to panic is silly when all the data and science shows it's not likely.

[outbreak]

Its not highly contagious, why are health care professionals in state of the art medical facilities taking the utmost precautions catching it?:hammerhead:

Why is it spreading like wildfire in Africa if it isn't contagious? It's highly contagious. The only reason you're more likely to catch the flu is because this outbreak of ebola hasn't had enough time to spread out yet.

Ebola is highly contagious. You are a dumbass to mock it. If we let more assholes like Mr. Duncan in to the country and don't catch it in time, we are phucked.

Because they are living in areas where contaminated bodies are left in the street, where water comes from dodgy sources, where hygene is terrible, where there's shortages of many basic medical necessities including high quality gloves. And if you mean the spanish woman you've already been told numerous times she broke protocol and infected herself.

[~primetime~]

The flu kills lots of 80 year olds...

[kentatm]

I live in the same neighborhood as the newest infected nurse :banana:

I'll let y'all know if I get it and start bleeding out my orfices. I did have a pretty killer headache last night... :hammerhead:

[Nanners]

Comparing Ebola to the flu is just dumb.

Influenza kills about 1 out of every 15,000 people who get infected, and most flu deaths occur in the elderly or people with additional health problems. Ebola kills 1/2 of people infected and most people who do survive have serious health problems the rest of their lives.

[outbreak]

Comparing Ebola to the flu is just dumb.

Influenza kills about 1 out of every 15,000 people who get infected, and most flu deaths occur in the elderly or people with additional health problems. Ebola kills 1/2 of people infected and most people who do survive have serious health problems the rest of their lives.

You missed the point. It's in response usually to people who keep saying things like "if ebola mutates to be airborne...." in a similar vein the flu is already airborne and has a history of mutations and far more unstable than ebola yet these ebola panic tards want to keep acting like it's simple for ebola to become airborne while ignoring the fact it's more likely for a serious strain of the flu (which has happened pretty recently in human history) to turn up.

[CavaliersFTW]

Comparing Ebola to the flu is just dumb.

Influenza kills about 1 out of every 15,000 people who get infected, and most flu deaths occur in the elderly or people with additional health problems. Ebola kills 1/2 of people infected and most people who do survive have serious health problems the rest of their lives.
It is extremely unlikely that the disease will ever be transmitted to you. The comparison is not 'just dumb'. If you worry about catching Ebola, and this media driven fear mongering affects your daily life in any way, you are giving into a virtual statistical empty threat.

[Nanners]

It is extremely unlikely that the disease will ever be transmitted to you. The comparison is not 'just dumb'. If you worry about catching Ebola, and this media driven fear mongering affects your daily life in any way, you are giving into a virtual statistical empty threat.

im not worried about catching ebola. im not worried about catching the flu either.

im just saying that ebola is about 7500x more deadly than influenza and its a dumb comparison.

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im not worried about catching ebola. im not worried about catching the flu either.

im just saying that ebola is about 7500x more deadly than influenza and its a dumb comparison.

But it kills FAR less people and infects FAR less people, your reasoning is also flawed. That's like saying we should be more worried about airplane crashes than cancer because if a plane crashes you have a higher % chance of dieing than if you have a cancer you caught early. Just because one kills people more efficiently doesn't mean it is more dangerous if it isn't as likely to happen.

[Nanners]

But it kills FAR less people and infects FAR less people, your reasoning is also flawed. That's like saying we should be more worried about airplane crashes than cancer because if a plane crashes you have a higher % chance of dieing than if you have a cancer you caught early. Just because one kills people more efficiently doesn't mean it is more dangerous if it isn't as likely to happen.

i didnt say ebola was more dangerous, i said it was more deadly.

if the rate of airplane crashes suddenly skyrockets, then maybe we should start worrying about airplane crashes.

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i didnt say ebola was more dangerous, i said it was more deadly.

if the rate of airplane crashes suddenly skyrockets, then maybe we should start worrying about airplane crashes.

Then what do you define as deadly? Because if you are not talking about how effective it kills those it does manage to infect then I have no idea what you consider deadly to be in this case?

[Nanners]

Then what do you define as deadly? Because if you are not talking about how effective it kills those it does manage to infect then I have no idea what you consider deadly to be in this case?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deadly


likely to cause or capable of producing death

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deadly

So my point is completely valid....

A plane crash is more likely to cause death then cancer if you are in a plane crash which is a small chance. In the same way ebola is more likely to cause death than the flu if you happen to catch ebola which is FAR less likely than the flu.

[Nanners]

So my point is completely valid....


i didnt say it wasnt...

comparing ebola and the flu is stupid, comparing airline crashes and cancer is stupid too.

[Nick Young]

Because they are living in areas where contaminated bodies are left in the street, where water comes from dodgy sources, where hygene is terrible, where there's shortages of many basic medical necessities including high quality gloves. And if you mean the spanish woman you've already been told numerous times she broke protocol and infected herself.
Why did a nurse in dallas become infected doe?:hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

You missed the point. It's in response usually to people who keep saying things like "if ebola mutates to be airborne...." in a similar vein the flu is already airborne and has a history of mutations and far more unstable than ebola yet these ebola panic tards want to keep acting like it's simple for ebola to become airborne while ignoring the fact it's more likely for a serious strain of the flu (which has happened pretty recently in human history) to turn up.
It doesnt need to go airborne to **** us all, retard.

[CavaliersFTW]

Why did a nurse in dallas become infected doe?:hammerhead:
Because she touched her mouth while nursing the guy who was infected.

Why did none of the rest of the hospital staff or people he came in contact with since being in the U.S. NOT get infected, is just as relevant a question.

[Nick Young]

Because she touched her mouth while nursing the guy who was infected.

Why did none of the rest of the hospital staff or people he came in contact with since being in the U.S. NOT get infected, is just as relevant a question.
wrong, that was the nurse in spain.:hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

Because she touched her mouth while nursing the guy who was infected.

Why did none of the rest of the hospital staff or people he came in contact with since being in the U.S. NOT get infected, is just as relevant a question.
The virus can be dormant for a month without showing symptoms, breh.:hammerhead:

[outbreak]

Why did a nurse in dallas become infected doe?:hammerhead:

well it's now being reported she breached protocols. Why did no one else get infected if you think it's such an infectious disease?

Sure it doesn't need to get airbourne but it isn't going to spread very far at all in it's current state in a country like America. The countries it is spreading in have very different customs and beliefs for one, there was a story recently about a town actually blocking off the road so that doctors without borders couldn't reach them as they believed they were spreading the disease in the first place. Ended up with a bunch of people dieing in the village. You clearly don't understand the conditions over there and why it would spread in a western country. There's more than just ebola that kills people in Africa but doesn't do much in the western world due to hygene and customs. Many disease and virus's.

[outbreak]

The virus can be dormant for a month without showing symptoms, breh.:hammerhead:
....and they were all screened and turned up negative:facepalm Dormant doesn't mean they can't detect it it just means it's not symptomatic yet and can't be spread further. Seriously it's like talking to a brick wall with you.

[niko]

It's far far far more likely a flu turns into some deadly disease killing us all than ebola. Ebola doesn't transfer easily. Nick Young keeps stammering BUT BUT BUT BUT but nothing, it doesn't transfer easily. Period.

Flu, a disease which transfers easily turning deadly is far more likely than a hundred times more deadly diease that doesn't transfer, suddenly becoming an airborne threat.

Ebola isn't affecting a lot of people, it's much less scary than the flu from a few years ago. People in NY were catching that shit left and right, despite the shot, and the precations, quarenteening victims, etc.

Ebola has scary symptoms but I'm far more scared of cancer or something like that i could actually get.

[Dave3]

Ebola is deadly... but it is not highly contagious. You are far more likely to catch and then die from the common flu. Hope you all found time to get your flu vaccines in your panic over ebola.
In the last 12 months Influenza has killed 1532 people, and most are elderly/young children - ie. individuals with weak immune systems (despite infecting many many more). Whereas no matter how healthy you are, infection with Ebola is almost a 50% death sentence. I think that's main source of fear here - Ebola is deadly almost regardless of your situation.

I do agree that it's a lot of fear mongering (like those clowns that were saying those infected weren't allowed to come back to the U.S despite the only reason they got it was that they were helping people there to begin with), and of course influenza is a lot more infectious. Influenza has a vaccine though and though there's debate about its efficacy, I imagine it would be better than nothing.

[CavaliersFTW]

In the last 12 months Influenza has killed 1532 people, and most are elderly/young children - ie. individuals with weak immune systems (despite infecting many many more). Whereas no matter how healthy you are, infection with Ebola is almost a 50% death sentence. I think that's main source of fear here - Ebola is deadly almost regardless of your situation.

I do agree that it's a lot of fear mongering (like those clowns that were saying those infected weren't allowed to come back to the U.S despite the only reason they got it was that they were helping people there to begin with), and of course influenza is a lot more infectious. Influenza has a vaccine though and though there's debate about its efficacy, I imagine it would be better than nothing.
Influenza has killed a lot more ppl than that man. It kills 250,000-500,000 people per year, not 1,500.

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Influenza has killed a lot more ppl than that man. It kills 250,000-500,000 people per year, not 1,500.

from memory h1n1 killed over 200k world wide in 2008 or 2009 whenever it was. not sure how many die from regular flu strains each year though but I'm sure the info is out there.

[DeuceWallaces]

OP you're being an idiot.

First, flu deaths are primarily estimated because...

They kill the old, young, and sickly who already have problems that confound diagnosis.

Secondly, you can get vaccinated for the most popular strains to further protect yourself.

Additionally, there traditionally have been few vectors for Ebola so it's spread was limited in the developed world.

Ebola is no joke; spread rather easily and incurable. I don't go around worrying about either but there is no comparison to make between the two.

[gts]

Its not highly contagious, why are health care professionals in state of the art medical facilities taking the utmost precautions catching it?

Because if you do catch it there's a very good chance you'll die

[outbreak]

OP you're being an idiot.

First, flu deaths are primarily estimated because...

They kill the old, young, and sickly who already have problems that confound diagnosis.

Secondly, you can get vaccinated for the most popular strains to further protect yourself.

Additionally, there traditionally have been few vectors for Ebola so it's spread was limited in the developed world.

Ebola is no joke; spread rather easily and incurable. I don't go around worrying about either but there is no comparison to make between the two.

yet it has only killed 3000 odd people in africa which has incredibly worse hygene and distrust of doctors compared to a country like America...

The facts are that it does not spread easily.

[DeuceWallaces]

yet it has only killed 3000 odd people in africa which has incredibly worse hygene and distrust of doctors compared to a country like America...

The facts are that it does not spread easily.

You're making an ignorant assumption that the amount of deaths is directly tied to its transmittance, when in fact it's a function of potential sources, human traffic, etc. Moreover, no one can be certain of the actually cause of death in many cases, especially underdeveloped areas.

It can be transmitted through any bodily fluid. That is easily; especially when compared to more restrictive means such as blood ingestion.

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You're making an ignorant assumption that the amount of deaths is directly tied to its transmittance, when in fact it's a function of potential sources, human traffic, etc. Moreover, no one can be certain of the actually cause of death in many cases, especially underdeveloped areas.

It can be transmitted through any bodily fluid. That is easily; especially when compared to more restrictive means such as blood ingestion.

It requires someone to be symptomatic though. That's a massive problem in it spreading. If someone is vomiting blood you aren't going to go touch it. It's not decimating a country that avoids doctors, keeps dead bodies in house, washes dead bodies, has medical shortages, has bodies dumped in streets, has bodies contaminating water and food yet people want to make out like it will decimate a western country where people go to the doctor as soon as they get a sniffle and come in to contact so so many anti bacterial products that it's actually detrimental to their overall health.....

No one is saying it isn't a scary and horrible disease but the way some people are trying to pump the panic engine is just silly.

[NumberSix]

For those of you who can't figure out which is more dangerous, ask yourself a quick question...

If you had to be in the same room as someone with Ebola or someone with the flu, which one would you pick? That should give you your answer.

[gts]

For those of you who can't figure out which is more dangerous, ask yourself a quick question...

If you had to be in the same room as someone with Ebola or someone with the flu, which one would you pick? That should give you your answer.:lol

And he sticks the landing

[KyleKong]

For those of you who can't figure out which is more dangerous, ask yourself a quick question...

If you had to be in the same room as someone with Ebola or someone with the flu, which one would you pick? That should give you your answer.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3q1moSlgH1qa5e2go1_500.gif

[bdreason]

Being scared of Ebola is like being scared of terrorism. If you're worried about shit like this, you better not drive to work or walk outside... because you're far more likely to die in a car crash or from simply falling down.

[~primetime~]

Being scared of Ebola is like being scared of terrorism. If you're worried about shit like this, you better not drive to work or walk outside... because you're far more likely to die in a car crash or from simply falling down.
Right now

People are worried about it breaking out here in the US like West Africa... No one is worried about contacting it right now.

[Dave3]

Influenza has killed a lot more ppl than that man. It kills 250,000-500,000 people per year, not 1,500.
I should've clarified - in the states.

[Dave3]

For those of you who can't figure out which is more dangerous, ask yourself a quick question...

If you had to be in the same room as someone with Ebola or someone with the flu, which one would you pick? That should give you your answer.
That's like saying would you rather be in a room with a monkey with AIDS who's playing with knives and is going insane, or a guy infected with Ebola?

Sure one is a lot scarier in that situation, but you're not going to find yourself in the former situation very often. It's both risk probability and the magnitude of the danger.

Again, one kills the elderly/young while the other will be fatal to almost anyone. On the other hand, one is way more infectious than the other. Mutations in the influenza virus though definitely have by far the most dangerous repercussions (ie. the swine flu).

[ace23]

Mutations in the influenza virus though definitely have by far the most dangerous repercussions (ie. the swine flu).
The swine flu wasn't any worse than the regular flu, whatever the fck it's called.

[outbreak]

For those of you who can't figure out which is more dangerous, ask yourself a quick question...

If you had to be in the same room as someone with Ebola or someone with the flu, which one would you pick? That should give you your answer.

that's a completely stupid argument. No one is saying the flu is more likely to kill you if you pick it up. Everyone knows that Ebola has a much higher fatality rate. But the odds of contracting it are far lower and far less likely. Stop the fear mongering and read some actual facts about the situation not just click bait stories by journos needing the exposure.

[Bandito]

For those of you who can't figure out which is more dangerous, ask yourself a quick question...

If you had to be in the same room as someone with Ebola or someone with the flu, which one would you pick? That should give you your answer.
:facepalm

Get off youtube.

[outbreak]

The swine flu wasn't any worse than the regular flu, whatever the fck it's called.

It was in other countries, killed more than the usual flu during that outbreak.

His basic point is right aswell, the flu is a more unstable virus and has had more mutations in the past so if people want to use the argument that ebola could mutate to spread more efficiently then there's no reason why people can't use the argument that the flu could mutate to damage the human body more efficiently (like it has in the past many times). The swine flu was actually similar tp the spanish flu wasn't it? That strain killed like 100 million people in the early 1900s and killed healthy young people as well. The common flu is of course less dangerous it's just an analogy for the stupid things people are saying ebola could possibly do.

[Dave3]

The swine flu wasn't any worse than the regular flu, whatever the fck it's called.
Depends on what you mean by worse. In terms of symptoms, then yeah they're the same, because technically they're the same species. The difference was in the code name they used - H1N1. H and N are 2 different proteins on the viral capsid that let it get into human cells. I think normal flu is H5N1. The point is, if the virus gets more infective or escapes the immunity incurred by the annual vaccine, it's a lot more likely to infect people, and thus cause more damage, so in that sense, it is worse.

[shlver]

You missed the point. It's in response usually to people who keep saying things like "if ebola mutates to be airborne...." in a similar vein the flu is already airborne and has a history of mutations and far more unstable than ebola yet these ebola panic tards want to keep acting like it's simple for ebola to become airborne while ignoring the fact it's more likely for a serious strain of the flu (which has happened pretty recently in human history) to turn up.
Woah, this is a lot of misinformation. Both influenza and ebola are RNA viruses and RNA viruses inherently have very high mutation rates due to the nature of their copying mechanism. There are genetic studies indicating that the current strain is mutating very fast.Secondly, influenze is considered "airborne" because it propagates in lung tissue and is thus more easily expelled by sneezing and coughing.

Is there a chance that a bloodborne virus will change its viral transmission trope to become airborne? It's very unlikely. Ebolavirus is very well adapted to its niche in animal populations and it would take a massive selection pressure to change its tropism.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/21stC/issue-1.2/Ebola.htm

A significant outbreak in the US is virtually impossible. The US does not have a natural reservoir of the virus which means transmission is limited to human contact. This makes investigation and quarantine of potentially infected much easier. It also makes screening much easier; every emergency room has started screening(have you been to west africa? etc) for ebola since the outbreak started 3-4 months ago. The situation in the Dallas, Spain, etc. is clearly different than the situations in countries where the largest outbreaks are occurring.
There is very little to panic about. Ebolavirus is very aggressive meaning infected people usually need hospitalization when symptoms make the virus most contagious. Every modern hospital in the US has the ability to diagnose ebola and have updated protocols on quarantine.


That team, however, produced one composite viral genome sequence for each patient, rather than individually sequencing different copies of the virus found in each patient, as in the work reported today.

It had accumulated more than 395 mutations between that time and June, when the researchers collected the last samples included in today's analysis.

The virus amassed 50 mutations during its first month, the researchers found. They say there is no sign that any of these mutations have contributed to the unprecedented size of the outbreak by changing the characteristics of the Ebola virus — for instance, its ability to spread from person to person or to kill infected patients. But others are eager to examine these questions.

Several authors of the study, including Christian Happi of Redeemer’s University in Redemption City, Nigeria, have been involved in such training in West Africa, and are now preparing researchers there to perform genetic sequencing. Happi’s African Centre of Excellence for Genomics of Infectious Disease at the university is expecting to receive the first next-generation sequencer in West Africa.

“Our hope is that next time this happens, we will be able to perform deep sequencing right on African soil,” Happi says.
http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus-mutating-rapidly-as-it-spreads-1.15777

[Dave3]

Woah, this is a lot of misinformation. Both influenza and ebola are RNA viruses and RNA viruses inherently have very high mutation rates due to the nature of their copying mechanism. There are genetic studies indicating that the current strain is mutating very fast.Secondly, influenze is considered "airborne" because it propagates in lung tissue and is thus more easily expelled by sneezing and coughing.

I just wanna add for the sake of completion that though they are both RNA viruses, and thus don't have proofreading during division (and thus high rate of mutation) Influenza does happen to also be a segmented RNA virus, which means it literally has segments of RNA that can just jump around its genome, so its mutation potential is way higher than Ebola.

[shlver]

I just wanna add for the sake of completion that though they are both RNA viruses, and thus don't have proofreading during division (and thus high rate of mutation) Influenza does happen to also be a segmented RNA virus, which means it literally has segments of RNA that can just jump around its genome, so its mutation potential is way higher than Ebola.
Yep, high mutations rates of RNA viruses are a result of lack of a proofreading mechanism in RNA polymerase coupled with a rapid rate of replication.

Im not sure what RNA segments "jumping around its genome" actually means in any context. Viral reassortment as a result of segmentation is analogous to eukaryotic recombination of chromosomes. There is a very clear distinction between a mutation and reassortment/recombination.

[Dave3]

Yep, high mutations rates of RNA viruses are a result of lack of a proofreading mechanism in RNA polymerase coupled with a rapid rate of replication.

Im not sure what RNA segments "jumping around its genome" actually means in any context. Viral reassortment as a result of segmentation is analogous to eukaryotic recombination of chromosomes. There is a very clear distinction between a mutation and reassortment/recombination.
It's not quite analogous to chromosomal crossing over in eukaryotic DNA. You can read up on segmental DNA - it's why influenza moreso than other RNA viruses has the potential to cause pandemics/epidemics.

[shlver]

It's not quite analogous to chromosomal crossing over in eukaryotic DNA. You can read up on segmental DNA - it's why influenza moreso than other RNA viruses has the potential to cause pandemics/epidemics.
I already studied this very extensively. You missed the main point of my post. Mutations are definitionally distinct from reassortment and recombination. Yes they both increase genetic diversity, but occur by completely different mechanisms. You cannot say reassortment increases mutation potential because it doesn't!

[Dave3]

I already studied this very extensively. You missed the main point of my post. Mutations are definitionally distinct from reassortment and recombination. Yes they both increase genetic diversity, but occur by completely different mechanisms.
I think we're getting too deep into semantics, but we're talking about the same thing. Reassortment/recombination is different than nonesense/missense point mutations or frameshift mutations, but like you said, they both result in greater genetic diversity. Influenza's segmented RNA though makes for a greater capacity for genetic variance.

[CavaliersFTW]

The news wants people to be extremely afraid of this so that people watch more reports on it ...on the news. Fear mongering = views for the news.

Seriously, I can't believe how gullible people are to these dishonest news tactics. This illness is terrible if you catch it but it is a virtual impossibility you or anyone else on this planet will ever catch it. Is it deadly if you catch it? Yes, scarily so... but then again how is this much different than any other scenario where you are unlikely to ever be involved in that will almost surely kill you? Being exposed to a lethal amount of radiation, or being poisoned with arsenic, or being trapped on a plane that is going to crash, or in a submarine with a cracked hull.

All of these things are very lethal ...if you are unlucky enough to be caught in the statistically unlikely scenarios where you are exposed to them... the thing that the news isn't being honest about is exactly what I'm providing you guys with in this thread. The statistical unlikelihood of this virus ever effecting your life outside of watching reports of how allegedly deadly it is on the news.

3,800 people died of this disease last year... 2.5 million people died in car accidents last year. That is a pretty pathetic number for a "deadly global outbreak" if you ask me.

[tgan3]

Cavaliers, im pretty sure that people die from other causes way more often. But Ebola is something not to be overlooked about. Yes, people can die from heart diseases and such, but these does not SPREAD.

If Ebola spreads we are potentially looking at an mass epidemic, it it spreads faster then we are able to contain it, then humanity is doomed. Look at the black death in Europe in the 14th century, about 75 MILLIONS to 200 MILLIONS died from the virus. Shit like this could happen in the modern world if we do not have proper procedures to quarantine it.

[Nick Young]

What a stupid phuck the OP is:facepalm

Justice is served if this piece of trash catches ebola in the next few months.

Retards like him and Obama that didn't take ebola seriously are the reason this problem is still a problem in the USA.

[~primetime~]

3,800 people died of this disease last year... 2.5 million people died in car accidents last year. That is a pretty pathetic number for a "deadly global outbreak" if you ask me.
:lol what?

36,166 died in traffic related accidents last year

2.5 mill is like the population of an entire state in the US...where did you even get that number?

[CavaliersFTW]

:lol what?

36,166 died in traffic related accidents last year

2.5 mill is like the population of an entire state in the US...where did you even get that number?
2.5 mil is the estimate for last year, globally.

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

Nick Young where you at? :lol

[Nick Young]

Right here-who the phuck is Shep Smith?:facepalm

That guy is a dumbass.

There is nothing stopping it from spreading. Did you know one of the dumbass infected nurses went on a plane to Cleveland?

[sundizz]

CavsFTL with his typical Wilt logic.

The point of the fear mongering is to educate people to help ua not turn it into a mass epidemic. Of course its overblown. However, better safe than sorry. It is a rational fear that there could be some sort of deadly health situation could wipe out millions of people. It is the same rational fear that acting irresponsibly with the environment could lead to catastrophic consequences.

Accidents are accidents. They are predictable and carmakers and the public continue to work to improve their safety. Something unpredictable has to be dealth with in a different way. There has to be drastic and immediate response. If not it could just a) die out or b) become an uncontrollable problem.

As governments it is about protecting us from that unpredictable 1% chance this becomes the next plague.

[D-FENS]

You're a retard to minimize this virus. Even in state of the art medical facilities, it iss 50% survival rate, and you are permanently braindamaged if you survive.

Do you know what ebola does? You bleed out of every orifice. You are literally shitting blood and vomiting blood and bleeding out your ears until you die. Only a dumbass would mock this virus. Bad karma bro.

You're trying to tell this to the guy that makes up statistics about Wilt, trying to up him from a modern day McGee

[~primetime~]

2.5 mil is the estimate for last year, globally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

it was 1.2 mill world wide...you're total is 2x too big

[CavaliersFTW]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

it was 1.2 mill world wide...you're total is 2x too big
You are right see my posts on the first page, even I said 1.2 million.

Point is all still there. 1.2 million versus a few thousand...

Ebola killed a few thousand last year, on a planet full of 7 billion people. Drip in a pond. Not even a noteworthy statistic in terms of deaths among the human population worldwide.

[~primetime~]

You are right see my posts on the first page, even I said 1.2 million.

Point is all still there. 1.2 million versus a few thousand...

Ebola killed a few thousand last year, on a planet full of 7 billion people. Drip in a pond. Not even a noteworthy statistic in terms of deaths among the human population worldwide.
It's the POTENTIAL that ebola has that's scary...

New Ebola Cases May Rise to 10,000 a Week by December (http://online.wsj.com/articles/up-to-10-000-new-ebola-cases-could-occur-each-week-says-who-1413293490)

^^^ that article was written 2 days ago



also, just because "disaster x" kills a million people each year doesn't mean other disasters aren't something to worry about. Just because Mt. Everest is a mountain doesn't mean other mountains don't exist.

[~primetime~]

here is another:

CDC: Ebola cases could reach at least 550,000 by January (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/world/africa/ebola-outbreak/)


(CNN) -- The number of Ebola cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone could rise to between 550,000 and 1.4 million by January if there are no "additional interventions or changes in community behavior," the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a report Tuesday. The estimate was derived from a new forecasting tool developed by the CDC.

The range of estimated cases -- from 550,000 to 1.4 million -- is wide because experts suspect the current count is highly under-reported. The official death toll from Ebola in West Africa has climbed to more than 2,800 in six months, with 5,800 cases confirmed as of Monday, the World Health Organization said.

[CavaliersFTW]

here is another:

CDC: Ebola cases could reach at least 550,000 by January (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/world/africa/ebola-outbreak/)
The people who pushed those articles should be ashamed of themselves and so should you if you believe any of that shit, there is zero evidence that ebola will ever be that contagious. Ebola is not a highly contagious disease. There is no reason at all to believe it will ever spread like that.

Once again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

[~primetime~]

The people who pushed those articles should be ashamed of themselves and so should you if you believe any of that shit, there is zero evidence that ebola will ever be that contagious. Ebola is not a highly contagious disease. There is no reason at all to believe it will ever spread like that.

Once again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I
FOX News? you srs?

How can you say that it isn't that contagious when two nurses just contracted it from one man wearing full gear minus the mask?

[CavaliersFTW]

FOX News? you srs?

How can you say that it isn't that contagious when two nurses just contracted it from one man wearing full gear minus the mask?
Put your tinfoil hat back on and carry on panicking about ebola, the disease that is so easy to catch that a whopping 8 people in America have it.

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/p4jajm/picture2664081/alternates/FREE_960/Hq3mO.So.4.jpeg

[Nick Young]

Put your tinfoil hat back on and carry on panicking about ebola, the disease that is so easy to catch that a whopping 8 people in America have it.

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/p4jajm/picture2664081/alternates/FREE_960/Hq3mO.So.4.jpeg
We know the cures to obesity, alcholism and tobacco addiction-stop stuffing your face, drinking beer and smoking.

Ebola has no cure. Why don't you understand that, retard?:hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

here is another:

CDC: Ebola cases could reach at least 550,000 by January (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/world/africa/ebola-outbreak/)
Don't worry dawg, ebola is not a contagious disease:banana: :banana: :banana:

[StephHamann]

Put your tinfoil hat back on and carry on panicking about ebola, the disease that is so easy to catch that a whopping 8 people in America have it.

Diseases are growing exponentially, so that is an absurd argument.

[CavaliersFTW]

Don't worry dawg, ebola is not a contagious disease:banana: :banana: :banana:
bogus projection = / = reality

[~primetime~]

^^^ I don't drink, smoke, or eat shitty food either any more for health reasons

and I'm also careful not to get in car wrecks...



all these other things that kill americans that you bring up ALSO worry me

[~primetime~]

eating shit, smoking, drinking etc are all things we are in control of ourselves...ebola is scary because it feels like it could grow out of our control

I'm not worried about what ebola is NOW...I'm worried about what it might be tomorrow. So you can stop bringing up the "only 8 Americans have it, they ain't shit" routine because the fear is based around that 8 growing to 8,000 like West Africa.

[CavaliersFTW]

^^^ I don't drink, smoke, or eat shitty food either any more for health reasons

and I'm also careful not to get in car wrecks...



all these other things that kill americans that you bring up ALSO worry me
Great so as long as you do not treat an ebola patient showing signs of ebola, with direct contact to their bodily fluids, than ebola will not infect you. Because it is not highly contagious or airborn. It is difficult to catch. You would pretty much have to go well out of your way to TRY and catch it, to catch it.

An ebola "outbreak" is bogus. There is no outbreak. It is statisticially so unlikely anyone in the day to day population of America will ever catch ebola that this should pretty much be a non-story in the news. But irresponsible reporters are always looking for the next big scare to get people to watch their news program.

[~primetime~]

Great so as long as you do not treat an ebola patient showing signs of ebola, with direct contact to their bodily fluids, than ebola will not infect you. Because it is not highly contagious or airborn. It is difficult to catch. You would pretty much have to go well out of your way to TRY and catch it, to catch it.

An ebola "outbreak" is bogus. There is no outbreak. It is statisticially so unlikely anyone in the day to day population of America will ever catch ebola that this should pretty much be a non-story in the news. But irresponsible reporters are always looking for the next big scare to get people to watch their news program.
Really so how did those nurses get it? did they suddenly decide to make out with Duncan?

There is lots of debate on how easy this thing is to catch and lots of unknowns...no one has a firm grasp on it right now, stop acting like you're a fckin virologist already.

[CavaliersFTW]

eating shit, smoking, drinking etc are all things we are in control of ourselves...ebola is scary because it feels like it could grow out of our control

I'm not worried about what ebola is NOW...I'm worried about what it might be tomorrow. So you can stop bringing up the "only 8 Americans have it, they ain't shit" routine because the fear is based around that 8 growing to 8,000 like West Africa.
Because irresponsible news reporters and fear mongering doomsday sayers are giving everyone false information and "what ifs" that have no basis in fact. You are in fact, propogating this crap, along with Nick Young. You are both guilty of being irrational about this if you are worried about shit that doesn't exist.

Ebola is not very contagious. It is statistically almost a non-factor in ways of dying on this planet. It has killed very FEW people in the grand scheme of ways to day.

An asteroid "could" hit this planet tomorrow and wipe out all life on earth. How come you don't irrationally worry about that happening tomorrow? It's just as ridiculous as worrying about what ebola "could be" (despite no current evidence to show it ever will be) tomorrow.

[~primetime~]

yeah only 3,000 deaths....should be a non-story in the news

9/11 was only 2,000 deaths...why did the media even show us that?...I mean look at smokers!

[~primetime~]

An asteroid "could" hit this planet tomorrow and wipe out all life on earth. How come you don't irrationally worry about that happening tomorrow? It's just as ridiculous as worrying about what ebola "could be" (despite no current evidence to show it ever will be) tomorrow.
because we KNOW when asteroids are near or could collide with the Earth

:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

because we KNOW when asteroids are near or could collide with the Earth

:facepalm
No, we don't actually. We try to track objects in space but there are so many it's impossible to be aware of them all. How many people knew ahead of time about the asteroid that hit Russia and broke up in the atmosphere blowing out windows and doors to buildings a few years ago?

None.

You could worry about shit that we have no evidence to support in the future, just for the sake of worrying.

Or you could chill the *** out, and only worry about what we know now. Which is that ebola is a very difficult to catch disease that you will probably never be exposed to.

[Nick Young]

No, we don't actually. We try to track objects in space but there are so many it's impossible to be aware of them all. How many scientists knew about the asteroid that hit Russia and broke up in the atmosphere blowing out windows and doors to buildings a few years ago?

None.


You would worry about shit that we have no evidence to support in the future, just for the sake of worrying.

Or you could chill the *** out, and only worry about what we know now. Which is that ebola is a very difficult to catch disease that you will probably never be exposed to.
The infected ebola nurse flew to Cleveland. It will be justice if she managed to spread the disease to you.:rockon:

[~primetime~]

No, we don't actually. We try to track objects in space but there are so many it's impossible to be aware of them all. How many scientists knew about the asteroid that hit Russia and broke up in the atmosphere blowing out windows and doors to buildings a few years ago?

None.
we know of those large enough to be a threat to us...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/huge-asteroid-that-could-end-the-world-is-defying-gravity-as-it-moves-towards-earth-scientists-say-9670910.html

^^^ there is the next one

'One in 4,000 chance' that asteroid 1950 DA could hit planet on 16 March 2880

[tpols]

yeah only 3,000 deaths....should be a non-story in the news

9/11 was only 2,000 deaths...why did the media even show us that?...I mean look at smokers!

its actually the same thing.. they had people scared as hell to go to malls, 'terror levels' and alerts for the next big thing.. and it never came. Ebola is just the next 'terror threat'.. there are a million ways you can die tommorow or the next day that are more likely

[~primetime~]

its actually the same thing.. they had people scared as hell to go to malls, 'terror levels' and alerts for the next big thing.. and it never came. Ebola is just the next 'terror threat'.. there are a million ways you can die tommorow or the next day that are more likely
RIGHT NOW there are million ways you could die before ebola

AGAIN, people are scared of ebola growing out of control like it has in West Africa...No one is scared of contracting it RIGHT NOW

[tpols]

RIGHT NOW there are million ways you could die before ebola

AGAIN, people are scared of ebola growing out of control like it has in West Africa...No one is scared of contracting it RIGHT NOW

we have 1000x better medical facilities than they do lol.. the fact that it only got up to a few thousand in such unsanitary conditions tells us that it isnt going to have the capability to spread much at all here.

[~primetime~]

it was 3,800 a couple days ago when you made this thread?

WHO: Ebola Death Toll Passes 4,500, Including 236 Health Workers (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/who-ebola-death-toll-passes-4-500-including-236-health-n227291)



so the death count has grown 700+ in just that time...

[~primetime~]

we have 1000x better medical facilities than they do lol.. the fact that it only got up to a few thousand in such unsanitary conditions tells us that it isnt going to have the capability to spread much at all here.
I am counting on that being right, but Duncan gave it to two nurses...one of which was on a plane with a fever...the shit SHOULD raise an eyebrow IMO

[MadeFromDust]

Here's why ebola keeps spreading in the US. INCOMPETENCE, NEGLEGENCE, and downright stupidity both in and out of the healthcare field.


One, Amber Vinson, was moved Wednesday evening to Atlanta's Emory University Hospital. It was her second flight this week, coming two days after she flew commercially from Cleveland to Dallas -- at a time when she was monitoring herself for Ebola and after, she said, someone at the CDC told her it was OK to fly despite having a slightly elevated temperature.
:yaohappy:


Obama also voiced opposition to instituting a travel ban to prevent the virus from spreading from West Africa into the United States, explaining that "history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance (that could lead to) more cases rather than less."
"The problem is that -- in all the discussions that I've had thus far with experts in the field, experts in infectious disease ... a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently instituting," the President said.

:yaohappy: