Kobe Bryant is like the Derek Jeter of the NBA

[russwest0]

A true LEGEND piling on rings while playing for a historic franchise. With so many legendary moments as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe's last game of his career ends with him hitting a game winner. It's just who he is.

[ralph_i_el]

He's JUST like Jeter....not as good as people think.

Both of them have inflated reputations because they played on historical franchises who will always spend money and attract other stars. That+every casual fan knows who they are because their teams have some of the largest natural fan bases.

Jeter probably isn't even a top 50 baseball player all time

Imagine if Jeter was drafted by the Brewers and played his entire career there. No one outside of the state would give a shit that he was retiring. They'd mention it once on ESPN and it would be over.

Imagine if Kobe played his entire career for some shit franchise. He'd have great numbers and nothing to show for it.

[AKADS]

One was a class act who never threw his teammates or organization under the bus, didn't cheat on his wife, and was respected by everyone in his sport even those on the other team.

The other is Kobe.

Yes they were both winners. That's the only thing that is the same

[Eric Cartman]

He is more like the Brett Favre of the NBA. Longevity, inefficiency (missed shots/interceptions) cheats on wife and keeps team hostage with threats.

[PJR]

A very accurate comparison actually. Both highly overrated defensively.

Both winning awards off prior reputation despite being terrible. Jeter won a gold glove when he was literally one of the worst shortstop defensively according to all the metrics. I mean he had zero range. And Kobe's last handful of all NBA defensive teams are laughable to say the least. Even his damn coach was perplexed as to why he was still getting that recognition.

[HurricaneKid]

1) Never the best player in their respective sports.

2) Received hilarious Gold Glove/All-Defense recognition desite being below average defensive players according to all metrics.

3) Played on historically significant teams with all-time greats.

Sounds about right to me.

[ArbitraryWater]

At least Jeter came through on his clutch reputation

[chazzy]

Kobe's a much better player in his sport

[christian1923]

He's JUST like Jeter....not as good as people think.

Both of them have inflated reputations because they played on historical franchises who will always spend money and attract other stars. That+every casual fan knows who they are because their teams have some of the largest natural fan bases.

Jeter probably isn't even a top 50 baseball player all time

Imagine if Jeter was drafted by the Brewers and played his entire career there. No one outside of the state would give a shit that he was retiring. They'd mention it once on ESPN and it would be over.

Imagine if Kobe played his entire career for some shit franchise. He'd have great numbers and nothing to show for it.
name 50 better please.

The guy has 3500 hits, 1900 runs, 250 homers, 400 steals. Multiple gold gloves at one of the most important positions, and hit for 320 in the World Series.

[SouBeachTalents]

He's JUST like Jeter....not as good as people think.

Both of them have inflated reputations because they played on historical franchises who will always spend money and attract other stars. That+every casual fan knows who they are because their teams have some of the largest natural fan bases.

Jeter probably isn't even a top 50 baseball player all time

Imagine if Jeter was drafted by the Brewers and played his entire career there. No one outside of the state would give a shit that he was retiring. They'd mention it once on ESPN and it would be over.

Imagine if Kobe played his entire career for some shit franchise. He'd have great numbers and nothing to show for it.

:applause:

[Cold soul]

Kobe was much better at his sport than Jeter was at his. I highly doubt Jeter is even top 30 baseball player all-time while Kobe is at his sport. Kobe played at top 5 player level much longer than Jeter did at his sport. Jeter was an all-time great though.

[IncarceratedBob]

Both are clearly top 10 all time, but Jeter has a case for top 5 where Kobe doesnt

[christian1923]

Both are clearly top 10 all time, but Jeter has a case for top 5 where Kobe doesnt
I love JETER but he isn't even a top5 Yankee let alone top 5 player

[Marchesk]

Both are clearly top 10 all time, but Jeter has a case for top 5 where Kobe doesnt

Top 5? Hugely overrating Jeter there. No way he's top 20 all-time. Too many great baseball players.

[Marchesk]

Mariano Rivera is arguably a greater Yankee than Jeter.

[Kblaze8855]

Jeter as a top 5 yankee is funny enough...top 5 player?

Jeter is one of the more common names on overrated lists by people serious about baseball.

So common I assumed a topic comparing Kobe to him would be a backhanded compliment to Kobe.

Kobe is miles and miles beyond Jeter far as standing in his sport.

[2LeTTeRS]

Mariano Rivera is arguably a greater Yankee than Jeter.

Arguably? This isn't arguable at all.

[Cold soul]

Jeter as a top 5 yankee is funny enough...top 5 player?

Jeter is one of the more common names on overrated lists by people serious about baseball.

So common I assumed a topic comparing Kobe to him would be a backhanded compliment to Kobe.

Kobe is miles and miles beyond Jeter far as standing in his sport.

Exactly. I never understood this comparison between the two it came across as being lazy. Kobe was much greater at his sport than Jeter was at his not all that close either.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He's more like Favre or Brady IMO.

[ArbitraryWater]

Exactly. I never understood this comparison between the two it came across as being lazy. Kobe was much greater at his sport than Jeter was at his not all that close either.

You Clown gotta be ****ing kidding me :roll:

http://i.gyazo.com/f5edf14e261c4cc4737a21d070a70522.png

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354733

Hypocrite

[Kblaze8855]

Kobe is more Hank Aaron or Joe Dimaggio. Not the greatest...but high up the list and likely to be discussed forever. He manages to catch Kareem ill lean towards Hank.

Hes sure as hell not Jeter.

[HurricaneKid]

Both are clearly top 10 all time, but Jeter has a case for top 5 where Kobe doesnt

Dear god.

Jeter isn't even in the ballpark of the top 10.

Jeter NEVER had a 7.5 WS season. Bonds had 13 and ended his career with TWICE as many WS.

Jeter is only in the top 50 in WS because he played so long. And he is BARELY in the top 50.

[JellyBean]

A true LEGEND piling on rings while playing for a historic franchise. With so many legendary moments as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe's last game of his career ends with him hitting a game winner. It's just who he is.

:applause:

[Cold soul]

You Clown gotta be ****ing kidding me :roll:

http://i.gyazo.com/f5edf14e261c4cc4737a21d070a70522.png

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354733

Hypocrite

Lol somebody's butthurt and mad. :oldlol: I thought about it longer and when you look into Jeter career deeper you'll see his career is somewhat overrated and just because you change your opinion doesn't mean shit. Man, you're a ****ing dumbass you saved my thread. Wow could you stalk me anymore? BTW I had Kobe over Jeter anyway read the thread again.

[lilteapot]

Lol somebody's butthurt and mad. :oldlol:
Lol somebody just got exposed :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

He's JUST like Jeter....not as good as people think.

Both of them have inflated reputations because they played on historical franchises who will always spend money and attract other stars. That+every casual fan knows who they are because their teams have some of the largest natural fan bases.

Jeter probably isn't even a top 50 baseball player all time

Imagine if Jeter was drafted by the Brewers and played his entire career there. No one outside of the state would give a shit that he was retiring. They'd mention it once on ESPN and it would be over.

Imagine if Kobe played his entire career for some shit franchise. He'd have great numbers and nothing to show for it.

Besides Shaq, which big-time FAs did the Lakers sign to help Kobe? We got Odom in the Shaq trade, rest of the players around Kobe were either draft picks or just bad players... our biggest FA signing was a past-prime Ron Artest, who we only got because Ariza left us for more money, and Artest didn't come because we were willing to pay him tons, he just developed a good relationship with Kobe. Gasol was acquired in a trade, Bynum was a draft pick...

None of the teams Kobe won his rings on had as many good players as the 90s Bulls or Lebron's Heat... Kobe had one other star teammate in Shaq/Pau and rest were average. Yeah, in 2004, we got Payton & Malone, but neither played well on that team and Payton couldn't grasp the system + Malone got injured, they were garbage in the Playoffs and well past their primes...

The 08 Lakers squad Kobe took to the Finals had 0 all-stars on it. Pau didn't make the cut (he wasn't as good in Memphis that year) and Bynum had a season-ending injury in January, Ariza didn't get any minutes that year, yet Kobe led that team to the best record in the West and got them in the NBA Finals and if it weren't for a collective chokejob, the series would have gone to 7 games against arguably the best defensive team of that decade.

Lebron has 2 all-stars and a bunch of great role players, elite shooters and he wins 2 rings and is already in talks of being the GOAT, but Kobe gets one all-star big man and some shooters (that were garbage on other teams or had yet to prove themselves) and all of a sudden Kobe benefits from playing in the big market, because everyone LOVES to play in LA? FOH. Kobe had about as much help as Duncan did for most of his career, and Duncan has been playing with 2 HOFers and a GOAT-tier coach his ENTIRE career and now has Kawhi + a bunch of elite role players to carry him to more Playoff success, yet he moves up on the all-time list while barely putting up all-star numbers? :biggums: If Kobe averaged 15 points for the Playoffs and had someone else win the FMVP over him, you people would not count that ring at all and he'd probably move down on your lists... the double standards on this forum are terrible.

[Cold soul]

He's more like Favre or Brady IMO.

Tom Brady for sure. Favre was a postseason choker he should of won more championships and only has one Super Bowl win in what 17 or 18 years?

[Cold soul]

Lol somebody just got exposed :oldlol:

Yeah from what? My thread lol if that means anything. If you read that thread you'd see I picked Kobe over Jeter anyway that pic was telling though.

[ImKobe]

Tom Brady for sure. Favre was a postseason choker he should of won more championships and only has one Super Bowl win in what 17 or 18 years?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UUeqvquXZI

This shit to this day is just :facepalm

[Cold soul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UUeqvquXZI

This shit to this day is just :facepalm

That was such a bonehead throw and decision by Favre right there. Favre could of ran for five or so yards or thrown the ball away and given their kicker a chance to win the game. Favre was a gunslinger and lived by the motto live by the sword, die by the sword. Favre also choked against Giants 07/08 playoffs throwing yet another INT to losing the game and his final pass as Green Bay Packer.

[Stringer Bell]

Both are clearly top 10 all time, but Jeter has a case for top 5 where Kobe doesnt

:oldlol: WTF?

Jeter is nowhere near top 10 all-time.

Kobe ranks a lot higher all-time in his sport than Jeter does in his.

[Stringer Bell]

That was such a bonehead throw and decision by Favre right there. Favre could of ran for five or so yards or thrown the ball away and given their kicker a chance to win the game. Favre was a gunslinger and lived by the motto live by the sword, die by the sword. Favre also choked against Giants 07/08 playoffs throwing yet another INT to losing the game and his final pass as Green Bay Packer.

There came a point where in the postseason, you basically just waited for the moment where Favre would throw a costly INT.


3 minute mark: http://youtu.be/KPl0afv2Gk4


http://youtu.be/YbbZ7_dGTTE

[Cold soul]

There came a point where in the postseason, you basically just waited for the moment where Favre would throw a costly INT.

Yep pretty much. The dude is one of the all-time greats but could of been so munch more ego played a part along with thinking he could make any throw on the field regardless of the defensive coverage.

[clipps]

He's JUST like Jeter....not as good as people think.

Both of them have inflated reputations because they played on historical franchises who will always spend money and attract other stars. That+every casual fan knows who they are because their teams have some of the largest natural fan bases.

Jeter probably isn't even a top 50 baseball player all time

Imagine if Jeter was drafted by the Brewers and played his entire career there. No one outside of the state would give a shit that he was retiring. They'd mention it once on ESPN and it would be over.

Imagine if Kobe played his entire career for some shit franchise. He'd have great numbers and nothing to show for it.

Lebron has played for a shit franchise almost his whole career but ESPN is constantly on his junk.

[ralph_i_el]

Lebron has played for a shit franchise almost his whole career but ESPN is constantly on his junk.

Because he's actually been the best player in the league :confusedshrug: like when ARod was on the Rangers.

[ralph_i_el]

name 50 better please.

The guy has 3500 hits, 1900 runs, 250 homers, 400 steals. Multiple gold gloves at one of the most important positions, and hit for 320 in the World Series.

I'm just going off the top of my head, and not giving any pitchers

Willie Mays (THE GOAT)
Hank Aaron
Barry Bonds
Ken Griffy Jr.
A Rod
Babe Ruth
Ted Williams (GOAT hitter)
Albert Pujols
Ty Cobb
Cal Ripken
Tony Gwynn
Miguel Cabrera
Pete Rose
Joe DiMaggio
Chipper Jones
Lou Gehrig
Wade Boggs


^Took me 1 minute to give you 17 guys Jeter has no argument over, not including pitchers, off the top of my head.


Jeter has longevity, and he played for the yankees. He never was the best player in the league. I don't think he was ever even the best SS in the league. He wasn't even better than Nomar in their primes.



here's some more names Jeter can't touch (after another minute of thinking):

Roberto Clemente
Jimmie Foxx
Mickey Mantle
George Brett
Jackie Robinson
Ichiro Suzuki
Eddie Murray

[JtotheIzzo]

A true LEGEND piling on rings while playing for a historic franchise. With so many legendary moments as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe's last game of his career ends with him hitting a game winner. It's just who he is.

a horrible defender who peaked 14 years ago and kept his position even though better players were available?

[coin24]

At least Jeter came through on his clutch reputation

Do you ever go outside Jameer??:lol

[T_L_P]

Besides Shaq, which big-time FAs did the Lakers sign to help Kobe? We got Odom in the Shaq trade, rest of the players around Kobe were either draft picks or just bad players... our biggest FA signing was a past-prime Ron Artest, who we only got because Ariza left us for more money, and Artest didn't come because we were willing to pay him tons, he just developed a good relationship with Kobe. Gasol was acquired in a trade, Bynum was a draft pick...

None of the teams Kobe won his rings on had as many good players as the 90s Bulls or Lebron's Heat... Kobe had one other star teammate in Shaq/Pau and rest were average. Yeah, in 2004, we got Payton & Malone, but neither played well on that team and Payton couldn't grasp the system + Malone got injured, they were garbage in the Playoffs and well past their primes...

The 08 Lakers squad Kobe took to the Finals had 0 all-stars on it. Pau didn't make the cut (he wasn't as good in Memphis that year) and Bynum had a season-ending injury in January, Ariza didn't get any minutes that year, yet Kobe led that team to the best record in the West and got them in the NBA Finals and if it weren't for a collective chokejob, the series would have gone to 7 games against arguably the best defensive team of that decade.

Lebron has 2 all-stars and a bunch of great role players, elite shooters and he wins 2 rings and is already in talks of being the GOAT, but Kobe gets one all-star big man and some shooters (that were garbage on other teams or had yet to prove themselves) and all of a sudden Kobe benefits from playing in the big market, because everyone LOVES to play in LA? FOH. Kobe had about as much help as Duncan did for most of his career, and Duncan has been playing with 2 HOFers and a GOAT-tier coach his ENTIRE career and now has Kawhi + a bunch of elite role players to carry him to more Playoff success, yet he moves up on the all-time list while barely putting up all-star numbers? :biggums: If Kobe averaged 15 points for the Playoffs and had someone else win the FMVP over him, you people would not count that ring at all and he'd probably move down on your lists... the double standards on this forum are terrible.

I swear you Kobe trolls come up with some of the dumbest, most agenda-driven arguments in basketball.

"2 HoFers" is so misleading. Peak Manu + peak Parker (their peaks were nearly 8 years apart, so it didn't even happen) aren't better than peak Shaq alone. Yet with your silly little argument Duncan's had twice as much help? :oldlol:

Having a top 5 all time player in his prime is worth all the role players TD got to play with. Those 8 years with Shaq alone almost means Kobe had more help. But Kobe also had great role players, andthe actual GOAT coach (you know, the one who has more than twice as many rings as Pop in only a few more years), not to mention Pau Gasol who, at his peak, was better than any version of Parker or Robinson Duncan got to play with (05 Manu > 10 Gasol though).

Duncan won his first 4 rings without another All-NBAer (broadly nobody who was considered a top 15 player, but due to positions it's more like top 10). Meanwhile Kobe never won a ring without one, and for 60% of them he was playing with the best fcking player in the league. The help argument ends right there, because superstars mean 1000 times more than role players (kinda in the name, no?)

Steals equate to good defense and one day ending up in the Hall of Fame means you're still good (Chicago Parish > current Marc Gasol?). What a simpleton.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe fans always say stupid shit like "Parker and Ginobili cancel out Shaq" or "Wade and Bosh > Shaq" You know you had a stacked team when you need to find TWO players to match Shaq... Looks like Individually no one even came close to playing with as dominant of a force as Kobe did.

Then comparing 2 Individuals vs 1 Individual to evaluate Help is incredibly flawed.

[funnystuff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UUeqvquXZI

This shit to this day is just :facepalm
As a Minnesota fan, this crushed me. So did the too many men on the field call shorty before that. Seemed like the NFL really wanted to give Katrina victims something to be honest.

[Pointguard]

I think Jeter gets his accolades because he kept a great look on the sport and is a public relations dream when the sport lost most of its ground. He isn't a top GOAT player - he's most like Dirk to me. Super clutch and among the best in the post season but otherwise not on the level of the other greats. On one hand it could be considered disrespectful to Kobe, but it also can be considered disrespectful to Jeter as well. Kobe was never the face of the sport, or looked to, to be the model of how to handle the press and be the man of the sport or city.

[Heavincent]

Kobe was much, much better at his respective sport. I don't even like baseball, but I know that Jeter isn't close to being a top 10 baseball player of all time.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think Jeter gets his accolades because he kept a great look on the sport and is a public relations dream when the sport lost most of its ground. He isn't a top GOAT player - he's most like Dirk to me. Super clutch and among the best in the post season but otherwise not on the level of the other greats. On one hand it could be considered disrespectful to Kobe, but it also can be considered disrespectful to Jeter as well. Kobe was never the face of the sport, or looked to, to be the model of how to handle the press and be the man of the sport or city.

Anddd Pointguard even here had to bring in his anti-Dirk agenda :oldlol:

"Not on the level of other greats" :rolleyes:

[Mr. Jabbar]

hes better than bran thats for sure

[Jailblazers7]

Jeter's clutch moments obliterate Kobe's.

[Pointguard]

Anddd Pointguard even here had to bring in his anti-Dirk agenda :oldlol:

"Not on the level of other greats" :rolleyes:Not anti Dirk at all. I love Jeter. I only like Dirk. I know this seems weird but much of my Dirk post are generated to aggravate a Rose hater and his double standard tactics.

During the regular season Dirk never averaged 10 rebounds per game. That's unheard of for a great PF. Am I wrong? He was never top three in scoring. Was never a good defender. Yet his team always wins. But in the post season he makes his mark with his clutch play. Jeter was top three respected as the best post season player for like a 7 year period. Dirk never was never really all that but he is recognized in a similar vein. I think the people of Dallas appreciate him like we do Jeter here.

Jeter exuded the winner charisma. He did things right on an off the court. He was very skilled and figured out a way to be effective. Humble, smart, wise and clutch.

[Magic 32]

Jeter's clutch moments obliterate Kobe's.

http://ahmedumair.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/hgh-kobe.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

Not anti Dirk at all. I love Jeter. I only like Dirk. I know this seems weird but much of my Dirk post are generated to aggravate a Rose hater and his double standard tactics.

During the regular season Dirk never averaged 10 rebounds per game. That's unheard of for a great PF. Am I wrong? He was never top three in scoring. Was never a good defender. Yet his team always wins. But in the post season he makes his mark with his clutch play. Jeter was top three respected as the best post season player for like a 7 year period. Dirk never was never really all that but he is recognized in a similar vein. I think the people of Dallas appreciate him like we do Jeter here.

Jeter exuded the winner charisma. He did things right on an off the court. He was very skilled and figured out a way to be effective. Humble, smart, wise and clutch.

This is gonna go way too long again if I adress this garbage (You still don't acknowledge his Impact of the stats, and low shot attempts, which is sad considering you're a Magic fan) but let me just say...

9.9 RPG, 9.9 RPG, 9.7 RPG...

No 10 RPG season..................

[Pointguard]

This is gonna go way too long again if I adress this garbage (You still don't acknowledge his Impact of the stats, and low shot attempts, which is sad considering you're a Magic fan) but let me just say...

9.9 RPG, 9.9 RPG, 9.7 RPG...

No 10 RPG season..................

I said ten. And you you are trying to reinterpret 10. Name me a great PF that never got 11 rebounds. Does that make you feel better? I doubt I know any that never got to 12. There you go. Want to start there? You hate numbers?

But as always you miss the point. Obviously Jeter's impact is well beyond the raw stat. There has never been a bigger peer to peer reception than that given to Jeter because they understand his value well beyond the numbers. The problem here is that you either have no clue what so ever who Jeter is and why he is celebrated or you just don't have a clue at all.

Magic not being in the top ten scoring isn't remotely close to Dirk's. That's a whole different animal. You also failed to see that Jeter never had the big homerun numbers but always was near the top in runs scored.

[Real14]

Who's the Canseco of the NBA?:confusedshrug:

[branslowski]

He's JUST like Jeter....not as good as people think.

Both of them have inflated reputations because they played on historical franchises who will always spend money and attract other stars. That+every casual fan knows who they are because their teams have some of the largest natural fan bases.

Jeter probably isn't even a top 50 baseball player all time

Imagine if Jeter was drafted by the Brewers and played his entire career there. No one outside of the state would give a shit that he was retiring. They'd mention it once on ESPN and it would be over.

Imagine if Kobe played his entire career for some shit franchise. He'd have great numbers and nothing to show for it.

Dumb post. Kobe=Brett Farve neway...

Kobe Numbers and Accolades easily backs up his reputation.

Kobe Top 5 All Time in Scoring, Top 5 in playoff scoring, Top 5 in playoff stls, Top 3 in All-Star selections, Top 3 All-NBA First Team and Defensive, Highest Assist All-Time for a non PG, exc....

Of Players with Titles and Final MVPs added together Kobe is Top 8 in that group. And I haven't even discussed his amazing scoring displays that only Wilt can contend with...Now a days, players droppin a once in awhile 50pt game gets Twitter and ESPN buzzin for a week...Kobe use to do it so much that it seemed expected and normal.

Bron drops 62 vs Bobcats n ppl act like they never seen sh!t like that before, internets goin crazy for a month...Kobe dropped 63 in 3 quarters vs The Western Conference champs witout breakin a sweat.

Only ppl who diss Kobe are those who took young Kobe trolls too serious over those Jordan debates....Smh...Wake up and smell the facts...Your're not going to be regarded as a Legend If you aren't a Legend....Smush Parker and Kwame played in LA aswell, don't see them getting overrated..Miss me wit dat sh!t.

[ArbitraryWater]

I said ten. And you you are trying to reinterpret 10. Name me a great PF that never got 11 rebounds. Does that make you feel better? I doubt I know any that never got to 12. There you go. Want to start there? You hate numbers?

But as always you miss the point. Obviously Jeter's impact is well beyond the raw stat. There has never been a bigger peer to peer reception than that given to Jeter because they understand his value well beyond the numbers. The problem here is that you either have no clue what so ever who Jeter is and why he is celebrated or you just don't have a clue at all.

Magic not being in the top ten scoring isn't remotely close to Dirk's. That's a whole different animal. You also failed to see that Jeter never had the big homerun numbers but always was near the top in runs scored.

Yeah you said 10.... And three 9.7+ seasons are so far behind that... right? :biggums:

It's the same damn thing, dude... Three 10+ RPG seasons. Considering he Plays on the Perimeter offensively and has great Rebounding numbers in the Playoffs (Better than KG's), I'm fine with it...

I wasn't talking about Jeter, but Dirk, btw.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

They're similar in that they're both ridiculously overrated by the mainstream media because they play in the largest markets. But Kobe is far better at basketball than Jeter is at baseball. Like it's not even close.

[Pointguard]

Yeah you said 10.... And three 9.7+ seasons are so far behind that... right? :biggums:

It's the same damn thing, dude... Three 10+ RPG seasons.
That's smooth, a number rounded up to ten is now considered "10 plus" not once, not twice, but three times. Its simple mathematics 9.9 is not 10 plus not matter how you slice it. I said 10 because its a landmark number. I could have said 11 or 12 per game - it still applies.


Considering he Plays on the Perimeter offensively and has great Rebounding numbers in the Playoffs (Better than KG's), I'm fine with it...


:lol yeah, not having defensive responsibilities does come with its perks. Its amazing that he didn't get to 10 while guarding the weaker player his whole career. Makes it even more bizarre. Thanks for bringing those things to my attention. KG played on the perimeter offensively as well and he lead the league for four years in a row. So that's not an excuse.

KG was unquestionably the better rebounder in the playoffs as well. Had a higher rebounding per game than Dirk in the playoffs as well. What were you getting at?


I wasn't talking about Jeter, but Dirk, btw.
Doesn't matter what you were talking about. I wasn't talking to you when I was talking about Jeter. So when you jumped in on my comment, Jeter was integral to everything I was saying. So yes, we are talking about Jeter.

[Smoke117]

How do you mean? Kobe has herpes to? :confusedshrug:

[FireDavidKahn]

When did Jeter ever rape a girl and then buy his wife off at a press conference?