Current Hornets are using original Hornets records

[L.Kizzle]

Doesn't make sense at all.

I didn't realize this until yesterday. I thought they were just taking the name, but they are taking all their history.

I'm not sure where this leaves the Pelicans. Are they co-sharing the original Charlotte Hornets too? Or are they starting from scratch like a new franchise?

[Haymaker]

Or are they starting from scratch like a new franchise?

This makes more sense.

[josh99]

This makes more sense.
What about the New Orleans Hornets? Who gets those years?

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah, it's pretty stupid. The Bobcats-Hornerts are a different franchise than the one that formed in 88 and has moved around.

[Smook A.]

This whole Hornets-Pelicans thing is confusing as hell.

[Rake2204]

I'm not sure where this leaves the Pelicans. Are they co-sharing the original Charlotte Hornets too? Or are they starting from scratch like a new franchise?All Charlotte history is staying with Charlotte while all New Orleans history stays in New Orleans.

That means:

Charlotte Hornets history:
Charlotte Hornets (Old)
Charlotte Bobcats
Charlotte Hornets (New)

New Orleans Pelicans history:
New Orleans Hornets
New Orleans Pelicans

It is admittedly weird to see Gerald Wallace making numerous appearances amongst the Charlotte Hornets all-time leaders.

[L.Kizzle]

This makes more sense.
New Orleans Pelicans (originally Charlotte Hornets)
1988-present

Charlotte Hornets (originally Charlotte Bobcats)
2004-present

Apparently, they now have 9 Playoff appearances instead of just the one they mad a few seasons back, lol.


Where is Bobby Phills jersey at? In New Orleans or in Charlotte?

[L.Kizzle]

What about the New Orleans Hornets? Who gets those years?
Pelicans. The Pelicans, which are the original Charlotte Hornets keep all it's history, but just from 2002 on ...


These current Hornets now have the original Hornets from 88-02 franchise, which is F-N stupid. To go along with the Bobcats 04-14 franchise.

So if they decide to retire Alonzo Mourning's jersey, it will be in Charlotte and not in New Orleans.

[Haymaker]

What about the New Orleans Hornets? Who gets those years?

NO should concede those years to Charlotte IMO. They should start from scratch, they have a very good team and they have a whole new identity.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Yea, shit just gets too confusing.


What about the New Orleans Hornets? Who gets those years?

You could even say, how about the New Orleans Jazz? They had like 5 seasons there before moving to Utah, prime Pistol Pete and all... Utah "owns" those years though, even with Maravich's retired jersey (should be retired in Nola too)... Guess NO can't have a thing :confusedshrug:

[Collie]

I don't mind it. While the owners and the management is different, what's more important IMO is the team's history with the city and the fans.

I don't think the fans from Charlotte really cared that George Shinn or whoever was the owner, but that they did care for that team.

That said, I think it's a case to case basis. I wouldn't lump the Minnesota Lakers with the Timberwolves for example, but in this case, I think it makes sense since it's exactly the same city and the same name.

[Purch]

Pelicans. The Pelicans, which are the original Charlotte Hornets keep all it's history, but just from 2002 on ...


These current Hornets now have the original Hornets from 88-02 franchise, which is F-N stupid. To go along with the Bobcats 04-14 franchise.

So if they decide to retire Alonzo Mourning's jersey, it will be in Charlotte and not in New Orleans.
I don't think Zo would find that a bad thing, considering he never played a single season in new Orleans.

[Timmy D for MVP]

This doesn't seem like it should be confusing or an issue at all.

The city gets the history. So Charlotte gets their Charlotte history. How did the Browns do it?

I would assume that you get all the Charlotte teams' records since it is just the Charlotte franchise. So according to them they were the Hornets. Then had a couple years off, then were the Bobcats and are the Hornets again.

For NO they should be a separate franchise. So they get their playoff records with CP3 and such to their record since that was done in NO.

[Eric Cartman]

Does it really matter? Neither has done shit.

If it was Milwaukee that has a couple of titles it would be a different story.

[Burgz V2]

it's not stupid because this is what Ballmer was told would happen if he brought the Sonics franchise tag back to Seattle. As long as you use the trademarked NBA name, all the records go with it. It's only weird because they are in essence the Bobcats, who haven't done shit. But either way, neither team has accomplished anything so why not?

[clipps]

Is the same thing happening with the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens?

[Rake2204]

Is the same thing happening with the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens?Yes, but their situation was a little more unique:


After extensive talks between the NFL, the Browns, and officials of the two cities, Cleveland accepted a legal settlement that would keep the Browns legacy in Cleveland.[114] In February 1996, the NFL announced that the Browns would be 'deactivated' for three years, and that a new stadium would be built for a new Browns team, as either an expansion team or a team moved from another city, that would begin play in 1999. Modell would in turn be granted a new franchise, the NFL's 31st, for Baltimore, the Baltimore Ravens, retaining the current contracts of players and personnel.

The Browns ceased play at the end of the 1995 season when Modell relocated the organization to Baltimore. The Browns franchise was then reactivated, and its roster restocked via an expansion draft before resuming play in the 1999 season. There would be a new team, but the Browns' name, colors, history, records, awards, and archives would all remain in Clevelandhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns#Inactivity_.281996.E2.80.9399.29

[DMV2]

Technically it should be this:
Charlotte Hornets 1988-02/New Orleans(/Oklahoma) Hornets 2002-2013/New Orleans Pelicans 2013-present.......overall 1988-present.

Charlotte Bobcats/Charlotte Hornets, 2004-present.

But the Pelicans owner, Benson (or the NBA), gave the Bobcats the original Charlotte Hornets history.

Now it's basically this:
- New Orleans Pelican(formerly Charlotte/NO/OKC Hornets), 2002-present.
- Charlotte Hornets(formerly Bobcats), 1988-02*, 2004-present. *history given to by the Pelicans.

So it might be somewhat confusing (not for me), but you have to say that it was a very good gesture in part by Benson, the Pelicans owner, or the NBA.

[Done_And_Done]

Where did you learn this from Kizz? I was always under the impression that team records traveled with the franchise and not the brand or team name.

So if the Supersonics are brought back into the league as a new start up franchise, would they reclaim their records back from the Thunder?

This shit confuses me...

[Rake2204]

Where did you learn this from Kizz? I was always under the impression that team records traveled with the franchise and not the brand or team name.

So if the Supersonics are brought back into the league as a new start up franchise, would they reclaim their records back from the Thunder?

This shit confuses me...It depends upon the agreement made between clubs. It tends to vary. In the Hornets' case, it was agreed that all Charlotte history would stay in Charlotte and all New Orleans history in New Orleans.