Rate Obama's presidency out of 10

[Nick Young]

For me, 3.3 out of 10 so far.

[JtotheIzzo]

5/10

bad:

he's too 'drony'
he's not politically crafty
he's not powering through his agenda (though this is exceedingly difficult with congress etc.)
he didn't end the wars
could have been a potential all time president, but failed to deliver (the country was ripe for a rebound and a rebirth, he hasn't done enough to bring 'hope' and 'change'
didn't chart a path on immigration and illegals (US has 12M illegals that need to be dealt with and a need for educated, skilled immigrants, and that hasn't been addressed. Australia, Canada and the UK have immigration policies that benefit their countries, the US immigration policy damages their's)

good:

Obamacare (whether you like it or not it is a HUGE political victory)
f@gs and weed (happened under his watch, and while largely a state issue, he could have f*cked with them more if he wanted to)
his election ended racism (jk)
Bin Laden
saved Detroit
Gadaffi, Mubarak
stimulus bill (HUGE money maker)

[SCdac]

Idk about a 1-10 rating but I'll just say him and George W both sucked donkey balls (not awake enough to come up with something more creative). Somebody in the media said a week or two ago that "Obama leads from behind". I absolutely agree.

http://conservativehideout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/OBAMA-transparency-.jpg

Yeah.. they were touchstones in all the wrong ways

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

4/10 for me

That's a failing grade. Only reason he doesn't have the 1/10 I'd give George W Bush is because Obamacare did get me low-cost insurance, so I can't be too mad at him.

[Droid101]

:oldlol: low cost

Shit is a total rip off
Nice citation of statistics. You totally changed my mind.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

:oldlol: low cost

Shit is a total rip off

:confusedshrug:

I have insurance for the first time since 2007, so I'm good. Before this Obamacare, I couldn't find any coverage that wasn't $100+/mo.

[senelcoolidge]

Obama has to go down as one of the worse ever. Not a hater, but based on what he's done...the next President as a lot of work to do.

[MadeFromDust]

0. Worst president everrrrrrr

[oarabbus]

He's not as bad as George W.

So 4/10

[Patrick Chewing]

-10


F*ck him.

[Patrick Chewing]

:confusedshrug:

I have insurance for the first time since 2007, so I'm good. Before this Obamacare, I couldn't find any coverage that wasn't $100+/mo.

How about getting a better job??


People are too lazy to work nowadays.

[zoom17]

He's not as bad as George W.

So 4/10

Him and Bush are two sides of the same coin.

[KingBeasley08]

4/10. Slight improvement from Bush who was 2/10 in my book

[russwest0]

No better than Bush, so a 1.

[Nick Young]

So the general concensus is that Obama is a piece of shit president just like Bush W.

Is there any hope on the political horizon for an actual good president? Will Hilary be decent? Who is the Repubs #1 contender?

[russwest0]

So the general concensus is that Obama is a piece of shit president just like Bush W.

Is there any hope on the political horizon for an actual good president? Will Hilary be decent? Who is the Repubs #1 contender?

I think the repubs #1 right now is Rand Paul?

then again he's a curly headed phuck so he'd never get elected.

[Nick Young]

Hmm, that's one Tommy Carcetti looking motherf*cker. Don't know nothing about him but he looks like a repub version of Obama. Another damned academic in office? A doctor? We need a soldier!

We need a badass war time president, are there any ex-Generals or war heroes running for office? We need a hardass in there who can out-Alpha Putin if needed, oh Arnold, why can't you have been born in America XO

[KevinNYC]

A differing opinion

Krugman on Obama
2009
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/71513/original.jpg

2014
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzyWa1oCMAITDN6.jpg


When it comes to Barack Obama, (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008#ixzz3GANF11Qc) I've always been out of sync. Back in 2008, when many liberals were wildly enthusiastic about his candidacy and his press was strongly favorable, I was skeptical. I worried that he was naive, that his talk about transcending the political divide was a dangerous illusion given the unyielding extremism of the modern American right. Furthermore, it seemed clear to me that, far from being the transformational figure his supporters imagined, he was rather conventional-minded: Even before taking office, he showed signs of paying far too much attention to what some of us would later take to calling Very Serious People, people who regarded cutting budget deficits and a willingness to slash Social Security as the very essence of political virtue.

And I wasn't wrong. Obama was indeed naive: He faced scorched-earth Republican opposition from Day One, and it took him years to start dealing with that opposition realistically. Furthermore, he came perilously close to doing terrible things to the U.S. safety net in pursuit of a budget Grand Bargain; we were saved from significant cuts to Social Security and a rise in the Medicare age only by Republican greed, the GOP's unwillingness to make even token concessions.

But now the shoe is on the other foot: Obama faces trash talk left, right and center – literally – and doesn't deserve it. Despite bitter opposition, despite having come close to self-inflicted disaster, Obama has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history. His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it's working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it's much more effective than you'd think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy

Rolling Stone also supplies some numbers in defense of Obama (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-obama-hope-and-change-index-6-years-of-progress-by-the-numbers-20141008)
Peak unemployment, October 2009: 10 percent
Unemployment rate now: 5.9 percent
Consecutive private sector job growth: 55 months
Private sector jobs created: 10.3 million
Federal deficit, 2009: 9.8 percent of GDP
Deficit in 2014: 2.8 percent of GDP
Average under Ronald Reagan: 4.2 percent of GDP

Gigawatts of wind power installed when Obama took office: 25
Gigawatts of wind power installed through end of 2013: 61
Peak summertime solar power generation June 2008: 128 gigawatt hours
Peak summertime solar power generation June 2014: 2,061 gigawatt hours
Coal burned in electrical generation 2008: 1 billion short tons
Coal burned in electrical generation 2013: 858 million short tons
Reduction: 14.2 percent

Some comments
Unemployment is 5.9% right now. When he was running for President Romney promised to get it to 6% by January 2017. We are there more than 2 years early.

6 years after a near financial meltdown, the deficit this year is lower that average deficit of the past 40 years -- 2.8% of GDP and 50% lower that the average Reagan deficit.

A giant part of that jump in wind and solar energy is from the stimulus and from tax credits. The US has a viable solar energy industry today.

[KingBeasley08]

^ So what's your rating?

Don't spam this thread with articles :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Let's use logic KevinNYC, if Obama was doing a decent job, he wouldn't need democratic funded magazines to have headline articles titled "In Defense of Obama" with about 50 excuses for his every failure.

If he was atleast mediocre, you wouldn't need to be seeing these articles along the lines of "come on guys, come on, Obamas not that bad doe XD"

[Patrick Chewing]

There is no such thing as the perfect President.

It seems as if Republicans and Democrats go back and forth and do the same damn thing over and over.

Clinton was great with the economy, but was weak internationally.

Bush was strong internationally, but we had an economic collapse under his Presidency.

Obama has seen an increase in the economy, but he is a laughing stock internationally and is weaker than Clinton in terms of combating terrorism.

[Nick Young]

We need some Teddy Roosevelt type to rise up. An all American badass who is also politically savvy. Any war heroes in contention for the next elections?

[dude77]

I don't know if those numbers are fabricated or legit but ..

when unemployment is up and job growth is not doing well, obama has no control over it ..

unemployment doing well, job growth up, credit to obama lol oh you liberals

[KevinNYC]

Unlike 2008 when Lehman Brothers or AIG can threaten the enitre financial system, we now have a list of Financial institutions that have to put up more capital to protect against failure that could affect the system. The government can also take them over early to to liquidate them in an orderly bankruptcy, instead of the panics that were happening every week in late 2008. Here's the list and how much more capital they need to put up.

This is a big deal that not many people know about.


4
(2.5%)
HSBC
JP Morgan Chase
3
(2.0%)
Barclays
BNP Paribas
Citigroup
Deutsche Bank
2
(1.5%)
Bank of America
Credit Suisse
Goldman Sachs
Group Cr

[MadeFromDust]

I don't know if those numbers are fabricated or legit but ..

when unemployment is up and job growth is not doing well, obama has no control over it ..

unemployment doing well, job growth up, credit to obama lol oh you liberals
:oldlol:

[KevinNYC]

I don't know if those numbers are fabricated or legit but ..

when unemployment is up and job growth is not doing well, obama has no control over it ..

unemployment doing well, job growth up, credit to obama lol oh you liberals

If you don't know that those numbers are legit, then you haven't been paying attention which is why I posted them. Or perhaps, these numbers are a surprise to you, because your news sources don't want to push this story.

[dude77]

If you don't know that those numbers are legit, then you haven't been paying attention which is why I posted them. Or perhaps, these numbers are a surprise to you, because your news sources don't want to push this story.

I haven't been checking .. that's why I said I don't know .. point is that all I heard when those numbers weren't favorable to obama was that he has no control over that .. 'the president doesn't have control over that' .. over and over again is what I heard .. now y'all want to use it to give him credit .. I mean, you have to be a little less obvious ..

you can't say that the president has no control over it and then suddenly turn around and give him credit for the very same thing you said he had no control over .. makes you lose credibility

[KevinNYC]

Back in April when I was actively looking for work, I'd browse unemployment data as well, and I believe it was like less than 6.4% or so. And I think unemployment was even around 7.5% during Obama's re-election year(2012).

If the research is really legit, that's pretty damn impressive. :applause:

This info is reported every month, so it's not hard to find (https://news.google.com/news?ncl=dLlYE61Mba1wSeMwFsCTdeK1VTASM&q=unemployment&lr=English&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x9Q9VN_OFeeHsQSh4IKICA&ved=0CC0QqgIwATgU)


The info is so legit, Rush Limbaugh is claiming it's a conspiracy, just like when it hit 7.9% (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/unemployment-truthers-see-new-conspiracy)

[KevinNYC]

when unemployment is up and job growth is not doing well, obama has no control over it ..

unemployment doing well, job growth up, credit to obama lol oh you liberals

Yeah, Conservatives would never dream of such a thing

Stolen from another thread.
Somewhat related...you guys seeing how gas prices are dropping? :eek:

Needed about 6 gallon to fill up my tank, spend only $21 to do so.
I'm sure all these folks will be creating new graphics soon
http://buyingourfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Fox-News-Gas-Price-Lie.jpg
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1202/83-gas-prices-rising-obama-politics-1329406210.jpghttp://www.fireandreamitchell.com/wp-content/gallery/obama-satire/obama-high-gas-prices.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrpXsW3IcAANqQ1.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QioxTvDHVbs/TbYS_0xqqNI/AAAAAAAAEXI/993PaBzDRNM/s1600/aaGasPricesUnderObama.jpg

[KingBeasley08]

Dude Kevin, just give your rating. Stop this passive-aggressive shit :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Here is Kev if he were a woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-78iZQexow


Buncha double-talkin' I'm gonna throw other stats at you to distract you from your original question and hope you don't persist bullshit.

[nathanjizzle]

9/10

jump started the electric car revolution and green energy initiative
liberated gay people from oppression
started the foundation for universal healthcare
gave minorities an identity within america.
suspended the american economy from a recession.
stregnthen ties with foreign countries
killed bin laden and completed the tail end on the war on terror.

the list goes on and on and this is all done in 6 years, thats alittle over a highschool education. greatest president of my time.

[Patrick Chewing]

9/10

jump started the electric car revolution and green energy initiative
liberated gay people from oppression
started the foundation for universal healthcare
gave minorities an identity within america.
suspended the american economy from a recession.
stregnthen ties with foreign countries
killed bin laden and completed the tail end on the war on terror.

the list goes on and on and this is all done in 6 years, thats alittle over a highschool education. greatest president of my time.



1. How did he jumpstart the electric car revolution?? LOL.
2. The states allowed gay marriage, not Obama.
3. Complete failure as no one who voted for it read the Bill.
4. Gave minorities an identity?? LOL what?? How?? I'm a minority. I knew who I was a long time ago. Probably when I was 3.
5. Suspended the economy from the recession by placing us further in debt.
6. Russia laughs at this
7. ISIS laughs at this.

I laugh at this :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

1. How did he jumpstart the electric car revolution?? LOL.
2. Complete failure as no one who voted for it read the Bill.
3. Gave minorities an identity?? LOL what?? How??
4. Suspended the economy from the recession by placing us further in debt.
5. Russia laughs at this
6. ISIS laughs at this.

I laugh at this :oldlol:

you couldnt even get number 1? i wont even entertain the rest then. he did create a green energy bill to give grants to green energy companies, one of them being tesla, if i can recall, gave them an 460 million dollar subsidy to produce the model S, the most successful production electrive vehicle in the worlds history. try again homie.

[dude77]

9/10

jump started the electric car revolution and green energy initiative
liberated gay people from oppression
started the foundation for universal healthcare
gave minorities an identity within america.
suspended the american economy from a recession.
stregnthen ties with foreign countries
killed bin laden and completed the tail end on the war on terror.

the list goes on and on and this is all done in 6 years, thats alittle over a highschool education. greatest president of my time.


:oldlol: :applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

you couldnt even get number 1? i wont even entertain the rest then. he did create a green energy bill to give grants to green energy companies, one of them being tesla, if i can recall, gave them an 800 million dollar subsidy to produce the model S, the most successful production electrive vehicle in the worlds history. try again homie.


Innovators, scientists, entrepreneurs are responsible for energy-efficient cars. You give that clown in office too much credit. Surprised you didn't give him credit for the NBA's popularity overseas.

[KevinNYC]

Dude Kevin, just give your rating. Stop this passive-aggressive shit :oldlol:

Incomplete.

Too much shit is unfinished.

Plus there are going to be things we won't know for years. Every hated the Paulson-Bernanke-Geithner bailouts under Bush in 2008. But looking back years later, we have to say they worked. The US ended up making money on the deals.

[nathanjizzle]

Innovators, scientists, entrepreneurs are responsible for energy-efficient cars. You give that clown in office too much credit. Surprised you didn't give him credit for the NBA's popularity overseas.

:facepalm
so no president is credited for anything right? Lincoln didnt abolish slavery because it was the union soldiers who fought against the confederates right?

[RidonKs]

compared with everybody all-time : 2
compared with american presidents : 4
compared with gw bush : 7

7 + 4 + 2 / 3 =

4.3 out of 10

[MadeFromDust]

you couldnt even get number 1? i wont even entertain the rest then. he did create a green energy bill to give grants to green energy companies, one of them being tesla, if i can recall, gave them an 460 million dollar subsidy to produce the model S, the most successful production electrive vehicle in the worlds history. try again homie.
:roll: lmao I remember when Obomber endorsed a clean energy company and then the next month or so they were out of business hahahahaha


And Tesla? The ONLY thing keeping them in business is government funds aka taxpayer money. They are hanging by a thread, a JOKE

[nathanjizzle]

wow just looking at it, obama inherited wars and a recession and a few years later we are in a very good place. :bowdown:

[RidonKs]

lmao I remember when Obomber endorsed a clean energy company and then the next month or so they were out of business hahahahaha

he didnt endorse them fkwad he subsidized them... along with about 65 others nobody has ever heard of since the right wing spin machine started yelling about solyndra

[nathanjizzle]

:roll: lmao I remember when Obomber endorsed a clean energy company and then the next month or so they were out of business hahahahaha


And Tesla? The ONLY thing keeping them in business is government funds aka taxpayer money. They are hanging by a thread, a JOKE

and? most companies will die, most start up businesses fail, the few that survive will be worth the total investment for the US economy. thats a simple concept and if you cant understand that then i feel sorry for your parents and your future children.

are you ridiculous? they have already payed back their governemnt loan 10 years in advanced and are set to release their new model that is targeted to a more broad market. because of the governement loan, tesla now has a jumpstart on the world in electric car manufacturing and our economy will reap the benefits for the next hundred years and more

[Droid101]

Innovators, scientists, entrepreneurs are responsible for energy-efficient cars. You give that clown in office too much credit. Surprised you didn't give him credit for the NBA's popularity overseas.
So weird... if anyone called the last president a "clown" you would have said "Everyone needs to stand behind the president no matter the political party! You're being unAmerican!!"

What's different about this president I wonder..........

[MadeFromDust]

and? most companies will die, most start up businesses fail, the few that survive will be worth the total investment for the US economy. thats a simple concept and if you cant understand that then i feel sorry for your parents and your future children.

are you ridiculous? they have already payed back their governemnt loan 10 years in advanced and are set to release their new model that is targeted to a more broad market. because of the governement loan, tesla now has a jumpstart on the world in electric car manufacturing and our economy will reap the benefits for the next hundred years and more
N'mind, was thinking of Fisker failures

[MadeFromDust]

So weird... if anyone called the last president a "clown" you would have said "Everyone needs to stand behind the president no matter the political party! You're being unAmerican!!"

What's different about this president I wonder..........
He's not a US citizen and is a moslem?

[Patrick Chewing]

So weird... if anyone called the last president a "clown" you would have said "Everyone needs to stand behind the president no matter the political party! You're being unAmerican!!"

What's different about this president I wonder..........


...but I didn't.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Reagan (who has his nuts constantly polished by conservative shills) was sitting on 7% unemployment at this point in his presidency.

President Obama? 5.9%

Obama inherited a recession more severe than the early 80's downturn--the economy contracted at levels not seen since the 30's. He has dealt with a FAR less cooperative Congress. Record fillibustering. He has done more with less, and for that I give him 8/10.

[ThePhantomCreep]

There is no such thing as the perfect President.

It seems as if Republicans and Democrats go back and forth and do the same damn thing over and over.

Clinton was great with the economy, but was weak internationally.

Bush was strong internationally, but we had an economic collapse under his Presidency.

Obama has seen an increase in the economy, but he is a laughing stock internationally and is weaker than Clinton in terms of combating terrorism.

Rofl @ Bush being strong internationally. The man who started the Iraq war? The man who flat out admitted he didn't care about finding the mastermind behind 9/11? Strong internationally?!

[Droid101]

Rofl @ Bush being strong internationally. The man who started the Iraq war? The man who flat out admitted he didn't care about finding the mastermind behind 9/11? Strong internationally?!
"Strong internationally" means dropped the most bombs and invaded the most countries, reasons be damned (as long as he has an R by his name, otherwise that's 'black helicopter dictator type action!').

[Droid101]

He's not a US citizen and is a moslem?
http://i.imgur.com/edBQBeJ.gif

[KingBeasley08]

Some of the serious libs are being too defensive. Obama wasn't a horrible President but very mediocre. ISIS towards the end is taking a shit on his foreign policy record. Taking troops out of Iraq ended up being a horrible decision

[Lakers Legend#32]

Considering Republicans makd it clear they were not going to work with him at all before he was inaugurated, and considering how far he has dug us out of the sh!t storm that Bush had left us, I say 8-10.

[russwest0]

Obama made so many false promises just to get elected I'm surprised that most dumbass Americans reelected him for a 2nd term.

I didn't love Mitt Romney or anything but he clearly looked like a better candidate than Obama did. More qualified with a better track record for what America needed. The media just made it their mission to demolish Romney. You could even see it on shows like SNL, where they would shit all over Romney and make him look like the biggest asshole ever, and then they'd do something far less severe for Obama.


Obama is doing so much unconstitutional shit, it's insane. Didn't he promise to abolish the patriot act that Bush started or some shit, and then he gets into office and abuses it? Plus he is approving the use of so many god damn drones to kill people without any sort of trial.

F*ck Obama. That mother f*cker doesn't speak for us.

[russwest0]

He's a mormon tho...

I actually like Mormons for the most part. Every Mormon that I've ever met was a really nice person and seemed to be less hypocritical than those who practice other religions.

That being said, being religious is a complete and utter waste of time.

[RoseCity07]

11.

[MadeFromDust]

Obama made so many false promises just to get elected I'm surprised that most dumbass Americans reelected him for a 2nd term.

I didn't love Mitt Romney or anything but he clearly looked like a better candidate than Obama did. More qualified with a better track record for what America needed. The media just made it their mission to demolish Romney. You could even see it on shows like SNL, where they would shit all over Romney and make him look like the biggest asshole ever, and then they'd do something far less severe for Obama.


Obama is doing so much unconstitutional shit, it's insane. Didn't he promise to abolish the patriot act that Bush started or some shit, and then he gets into office and abuses it? Plus he is approving the use of so many god damn drones to kill people without any sort of trial.

F*ck Obama. That mother f*cker doesn't speak for us.It didn't matter what he did or didn't do in his first stint. Most black folk were gonna vote for him because he was the first black president, and enough white folk feel the guilt of their slave-holding heritage that they too wanted to vote for him as part of their perpetual "reparations". Lettuce be real here :rolleyes:

[Cold soul]

4/10 and that's being generous.

[JtotheIzzo]

I'd be a kickass president

you suck as a troll, how the hell are you gonna get anyone to do as you say?

[Nick Young]

9/10

jump started the electric car revolution and green energy initiative
liberated gay people from oppression
started the foundation for universal healthcare
gave minorities an identity within america.
suspended the american economy from a recession.
stregnthen ties with foreign countries
killed bin laden and completed the tail end on the war on terror.

the list goes on and on and this is all done in 6 years, thats alittle over a highschool education. greatest president of my time.
foreign countries think we are p*ssies now and don't take our military seriously.:facepalm


How did he start the electric car revolution?:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The war on terror is still very much ongoing. IS is trying to create a nation founded on terrorism, and run by Sharia law:facepalm

You are a dumbass for applauding Obama's reign of failure.

[Nick Young]

It didn't matter what he did or didn't do in his first stint. Most black folk were gonna vote for him because he was the first black president, and enough white folk feel the guilt of their slave-holding heritage that they too wanted to vote for him as part of their perpetual "reparations". Lettuce be real here :rolleyes:
Lettuce be real, it doesn't even matter if he was black, dude was a gifted orator and his speeches and promo videos were epic and because of his charisma everyone believed him.

I didn't vote for him thank god, I didn't vote at all, so I'm not responsible for his reign of bullshit, but I don't get how his lies worked to get him elected a second time:facepalm

ISIS is styling on us.

Putin and Russia laugh at us. No country has any fear or respect for us. And Obama has also violated the constitution and abused the patriot act far more then W Bush ever did:facepalm

[Trollsmasher]

2 out of 10 from outsider's perspective

[StephHamann]

Russia is invading countries and threatens eastern europe

Terrorists are fighting a full scale war and are about to take Bagdad

Afghanistan is still a shithole and nothing changed to the better

One of the biggest scandals of all time ( Snowden)

an accident is waiting to happen in Dallas

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg248/glasshead99/thumbs-up-obama-not-bad.jpeg

but he is a cool guy and the internet loves him

10/10

[nathanjizzle]

Russia is invading countries and threatens eastern europe

Terrorists are fighting a full scale war and are about to take Bagdad

Afghanistan is still a shithole and nothing changed to the better

One of the biggest scandals of all time ( Snowden)

an accident is waiting to happen in Dallas

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg248/glasshead99/thumbs-up-obama-not-bad.jpeg

but he is a cool guy and the internet loves him

10/10

obama is the president of the world?

[nathanjizzle]

Some of the serious libs are being too defensive. Obama wasn't a horrible President but very mediocre. ISIS towards the end is taking a shit on his foreign policy record. Taking troops out of Iraq ended up being a horrible decision

hey, we need you in the beasley vs rose thread.

[Nick Young]

hey, we need you in the beasley vs rose thread.
Why is your boy Obama doing jack shit to stop the spread of ebola in Dallas?

Why is he allowing 13,000 West African nationals to enter the country in the next few weeks without a quarantine or any other health precaution other then a quick airport screening test that doesn't work?:confusedshrug:

[senelcoolidge]

It didn't matter what he did or didn't do in his first stint. Most black folk were gonna vote for him because he was the first black president, and enough white folk feel the guilt of their slave-holding heritage that they too wanted to vote for him as part of their perpetual "reparations". Lettuce be real here :rolleyes:

If that's the case than that's sad. You have a lot of dumb people in this country. It's actually racist on these people's part. You saw how bad he was in his first term and yet you still vote him in..he's even worse now.

[nathanjizzle]

Why is your boy Obama doing jack shit to stop the spread of ebola in Dallas?

Why is he allowing 13,000 West African nationals to enter the country in the next few weeks without a quarantine or any other health precaution other then a quick airport screening test that doesn't work?:confusedshrug:

what do you know that he does? your just another sheep that bases its opinion on the media.

[BIZARRO]

I'd give him a 7.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'd give him a 7.


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[DukeDelonte13]

8.5

[Dresta]

This info is reported every month, so it's not hard to find (https://news.google.com/news?ncl=dLlYE61Mba1wSeMwFsCTdeK1VTASM&q=unemployment&lr=English&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x9Q9VN_OFeeHsQSh4IKICA&ved=0CC0QqgIwATgU)


The info is so legit, Rush Limbaugh is claiming it's a conspiracy, just like when it hit 7.9% (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/unemployment-truthers-see-new-conspiracy)
It's not a conspiracy to think statistics that can be manipulated through government policy, and which can be moulded by the selective choosing of data, are inevitably going to be used for mostly propaganda purposes. This is pretty much just common sense and obvious to anyone who understands the nature of the contemporary politician. You get so much less for your money in the States now than even 5 years ago, and you really think inflation is steady below 2% :oldlol: .

e.g. - your unemployment success only accounts for some of the unemployed:


This chart helps explain why. It shows the gap between the widely cited unemployment rate (called the U-3 rate) and a broader measure of joblessness and underemployment called the U-6 rate, which in September was 11.8 percent. Fed Chair Janet Yellen has said that in the current economy, the U-6 may be a better indication of the health of the job market than the headline unemployment rate.

What you are looking at in the chart below is the broader, U-6 definition of joblessness minus the narrower, U-3 definition of unemployment. That rate happens to stand at 5.9 percent, same as the unemployment rate. This leaves you with an isolated view of how many workers are not looking for a job because they don't think they will find one, have looked for a job in the past year but not recently, and part-time workers who can't find full-time work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/03/real-jobs-numbers-sad-state_n_5926898.html

Most Americans still don't feel like they're out of recession, despite it having been 5+ years, and despite the recovery having been a good deal longer than the average US economic recovery time between recessions, interest rates are still at zero. What a recovery!


9/10

jump started the electric car revolution and green energy initiative
liberated gay people from oppression
started the foundation for universal healthcare
gave minorities an identity within america.
suspended the american economy from a recession.
stregnthen ties with foreign countries
killed bin laden and completed the tail end on the war on terror.

the list goes on and on and this is all done in 6 years, thats alittle over a highschool education. greatest president of my time.
:roll:

Most hilarious post in thread.

[KevinNYC]

It's not a conspiracy to think statistics that can be manipulated through government policy, and which can be moulded by the selective choosing of data, are inevitably going to be used for mostly propaganda purposes. This is pretty much just common sense and obvious to anyone who understands the nature of the contemporary politician. You get so much less for your money in the States now than even 5 years ago, and you really think inflation is steady below 2% :oldlol: .

e.g. - your unemployment success only accounts for some of the unemployed:

That's not the conspiracy these guys are alleging. The conspiracy is that the CBO is straight up faking the employment numbers due to political pressure. The CBO is not politicians and they are not selectively choosing the data, they are using the same published and reviewed methodology, they used before. And the CBO publishs the U6 rate every month as well. It tells the same story as official u3 rate.

Both rates started climbing in 2008, peaked in Oct 2009 and then have come down quite a bit. The official rate has come down 4 points. The u6 rate has come down even more, 5 and half points.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

You have no idea what we get for our money in the states, you just mouthing talking points.

There's a way to check if the official inflation rate is out of whack. It's an MIT project called the Billion Price Project which can now be found at pricestats.com. It's be going on since 2008 and it shows the same trends as the official inflation rate.

http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/
http://www.pricestats.com/us-series

[Dresta]

That's not the conspiracy these guys are alleging. The conspiracy is that the CBO is straight up faking the employment numbers due to political pressure. The CBO is not politicians and they are not selectively choosing the data, they are using the same published and reviewed methodology, they used before. And the CBO publishs the U6 rate every month as well. It tells the same story as official u3 rate.

Both rates started climbing in 2008, peaked in Oct 2009 and then have come down quite a bit. The official rate has come down 4 points. The u6 rate has come down even more, 5 and half points.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

You have no idea what we get for our money in the states, you just mouthing talking points.

There's a way to check if the official inflation rate is out of whack. It's an MIT project called the Billion Price Project which can now be found at pricestats.com. It's be going on since 2008 and it shows the same trends as the official inflation rate.

http://bpp.mit.edu/usa/
http://www.pricestats.com/us-seriesNo i'm ****ing not. I was in the States for over 3 months this past year, i have family and friends over there, i'm a citizen, and have spent a lot of time there over the last half-dozen years. I've seen the price increases myself, and i've had the same sentiments echoed to me by many who do live there, who are struggling money-wise, but they aren't buying more stuff, and numerically, they aren't making less money. Not to mention that during an economic contraction prices are meant to go down, easing the blow of recession and unemployment by reducing prices and market inefficiencies (but we don't let businesses we like go bust anymore).

So as the true measure of inflation is masked by increased efficiencies, so is unemployment masked by aiming to get kids into the labour market later and later in their lives.

I'm not usually one for polls but the American populace still agree with me despite all the misinformation they're being fed: most of them still feel like they are in recession, they feel they are getting poorer, not richer:

http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/AVS-Pre-election-2014-Topline-Final.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/28/american-economy_n_5726784.html

The image of success and renewed prosperity you are trying to paint Obama as ushering in is completely contrary to any real-world reality. Of course, living in that sanatised shithole of a DisneyLand formerly known as New York City, you wouldn't know very much about what's going on the ground, would you? Nor are the conditions of New York remotely representative of the country at large; it's like how in the UK the economic condition of London needs to be regarded as almost separate to the rest of the country.

[BigTicket]

6 out of 10

Just barely above average.

[rufuspaul]

Domestically he's done a fair job despite not being able to get along with congress. Part of his problem there, imo, is that he comes across as an arrogant jerk whereas W and Clinton were at least affable.

On the foreign front he's been a complete failure. From Iraq and Afghanistan to Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Iran, Ukraine, or any other hot spot you'll find a failed policy and hatred for the US. This from a Nobel Prize winning peacemaker who was supposed to unite the world in peace and love (I just threw up a little in my mouth typing that). He has escalated an illegal drone war to unprecedented levels and succeeded in alienating our one ally in the Middle East (Israel). He's been slow and weak to respond to the threats of ISIS and ebola, our borders are porous, and we look like beta ******* to our enemies.

Domestic policy=4/10
Foreign policy=0/10
Overall=2/10

[Droid101]

Obama is doing so much unconstitutional shit, it's insane. .
Name one thing.

[Droid101]

Domestically he's done a fair job despite not being able to get along with congress. Part of his problem there, imo, is that he comes across as an arrogant jerk whereas W and Clinton were at least affable.

Oh yeah, it's totally his fault.

[DukeDelonte13]

Domestically he's done a fair job despite not being able to get along with congress. Part of his problem there, imo, is that he comes across as an arrogant jerk whereas W and Clinton were at least affable.

On the foreign front he's been a complete failure. From Iraq and Afghanistan to Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Iran, Ukraine, or any other hot spot you'll find a failed policy and hatred for the US. This from a Nobel Prize winning peacemaker who was supposed to unite the world in peace and love (I just threw up a little in my mouth typing that). He has escalated an illegal drone war to unprecedented levels and succeeding in alienating our one ally in the Middle East (Israel). He's been slow and weak to respond to the threats of ISIS and ebola, our borders are porous, and we look like beta ******* to our enemies.

Domestic policy=4/10
Foreign policy=0/10
Overall=2/10

to be fair I believe W had a super majority for a large chunk of his presidency, kind of a completely different scenario than what Obama had to deal with.

[SunsN07BookIt]

I gave Bush a 2/10 for his 2nd term. Obama is almost there, I give him a 3/10 overall.

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=Droid101]Oh yeah, it's totally his fault.

[B]

[rufuspaul]

Oh yeah, it's totally his fault.

“Our No. 1 priority is to make this president a one-term president,”’ says Mitch McConnell.

They were TOTALLY willing to work with him. Yeah. Totally.


Where did I say that? The opposition will always be the opposition. Didn't Clinton work in the same environment? Hell, W had people wanting to put him on trial for war crimes. Oh, and way to ignore the 2nd half of my post. Typical of Obama slurpers.

[DukeDelonte13]

At the end of the day, the country literally went from the worst financial collapse since the depression to being well ahead of the curve in the recovery compared to Europe, and we still have people calling him the worst president of all time. All this while dealing with a historically shitty and petty congress.

Obama is not even really that polarizing of a figure, he's moderate in a lot of way. During W's presidency america's politics just went batshit insane. You either love the guy or hate the guy. He's either a kenyan muslim trying to turn america into the USSR or he's the guy that saved american health care and the economy.

[SunsN07BookIt]

to be fair I believe W had a super majority for a large chunk of his presidency, kind of a completely different scenario than what Obama had to deal with.


Bush lost control of Congress when he started to suck, so did Obama, and so did Clinton. Of the 3, only Clinton learned from his mistakes.

[DukeDelonte13]

Bush lost control of Congress when he started to suck, so did Obama, and so did Clinton. Of the 3, only Clinton learned from his mistakes.


I think Bush had complete control for 6 years. Bush was a puppet. Old D*ck was the mayne in charge.

[SunsN07BookIt]

I think Bush had complete control for 6 years. Bush was a puppet. Old D*ck was the mayne in charge.


:oldlol: @ you if you think there isn't someone pulling Obama's strings.

[DukeDelonte13]

:oldlol: @ you if you think there isn't someone pulling Obama's strings.


I not a conspiracy theorist. If you believe that Obama is being controlled by lizard people or the illuminati more power to you.

[KevinNYC]

No i'm ****ing not. I was in the States for over 3 months this past year, i have family and friends over there, i'm a citizen, and have spent a lot of time there over the last half-dozen years. I've seen the price increases myself, and i've had the same sentiments echoed to me by many who do live there, who are struggling money-wise, but they aren't buying more stuff, and numerically, they aren't making less money. Not to mention that during an economic contraction prices are meant to go down, easing the blow of recession and unemployment by reducing prices and market inefficiencies (but we don't let businesses we like go bust anymore).

So as the true measure of inflation is masked by increased efficiencies, so is unemployment masked by aiming to get kids into the labour market later and later in their lives.

Where's this contraction you are talking about? We haven't had two straight quarters of contraction in 5 years.

http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us.jpg

We don't let business go bust? 400,000 small businesses went bust in 2009. Worst year since the great Depression.

Prices didn't fall? Gas cost 1.84 a gallon in January 2009.



The image of success and renewed prosperity you are trying to paint Obama as ushering in is completely contrary to any real-world reality. Point me to where I say prosperity. Recovery is the word I would use and I do think that is an achievement.

Polling on Consumer Confidence bear this out as well
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-consumer-confidence.png?s=concconf&d1=20080101&d2=20141231

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-consumer-confidence.png?s=concconf&d1=20080101&d2=20141231


Of course, living in that sanatised shithole of a DisneyLand formerly known as New York City, you wouldn't know very much about what's going on the ground, would you?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yes, you're right. You really do have insight into the US. The Great Recession didn't affect NY City at all. Unemployment never jumped 5 percentage points here. Seriously, take your meds, you're getting stupid.


Nor are the conditions of New York remotely representative of the country at large; Yeah, umeployment in NYC is still nearly a point higher than the rest of the country.

[SunsN07BookIt]

I not a conspiracy theorist. If you believe that Obama is being controlled by lizard people or the illuminati more power to you.


No far worse, I believe they are called lobbyists.

[rufuspaul]

No far worse, I believe they are called lobbyists.


Oh but Saint Barack would never, never be a shill for corporate interests. That's something only those evil Republicans do.

[Dresta]

Where's this contraction you are talking about? We haven't had two straight quarters of contraction in 5 years.

http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us.jpg

We don't let business go bust? 400,000 small businesses went bust in 2009. Worst year since the great Depression.

Prices didn't fall? Gas cost 1.84 a gallon in January 2009.

Point me to where I say prosperity. Recovery is the word I would use and I do think that is an achievement.

Polling on Consumer Confidence bear this out as well
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-consumer-confidence.png?s=concconf&d1=20080101&d2=20141231

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-consumer-confidence.png?s=concconf&d1=20080101&d2=20141231


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yes, you're right. You really do have insight into the US. The Great Recession didn't affect NY City at all. Unemployment never jumped 5 percentage points here. Seriously, take your meds, you're getting stupid.

Yeah, umeployment in NYC is still nearly a point higher than the rest of the country.
There's really no point discussing this with someone still under the delusion that printing money constitutes real economic growth. The US can only filter its debt onto other countries for so long. The necessary contraction has only been forestalled by such a loose FED policy, and again, it can only be put off for so long. This 'recovery' has already been longer than the average period of time between recessions, yet the fruits of this recovery have only been felt by a small minority. Most people are still worse off and yet interest rates have not been increased (and won't be for some time), so how can the FED respond when the next recession inevitably comes? Lower interest rates? can't do that. Only option will be to print more money - then what? Typical of the kind of economics you profess, your perspective is too narrow and you see only the short term. It's why Keynesians were so incredibly blind to the coming crash in 2006 - so many of them were professing a rosy future, and now you (and they) are repeating exactly the same mistake.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm pretty happy. I don't expect anything from Presidents these days when it comes to foreign policy and other big movements.

I want a Dem because I'm looking for supreme court appointments, gay marriage, drugs, health care, science and social funding, etc. In that regard it's been good, and in fact really good in some areas.

Really surprised he railroaded the reds on healthcare.

[~primetime~]

There's really no point discussing this with someone still under the delusion that printing money constitutes real economic growth. The US can only filter its debt onto other countries for so long. The necessary contraction has only been forestalled by such a loose FED policy, and again, it can only be put off for so long. This 'recovery' has already been longer than the average period of time between recessions, yet the fruits of this recovery have only been felt by a small minority. Most people are still worse off and yet interest rates have not been increased (and won't be for some time), so how can the FED respond when the next recession inevitably comes? Lower interest rates? can't do that. Only option will be to print more money - then what? Typical of the kind of economics you profess, your perspective is too narrow and you see only the short term. It's why Keynesians were so incredibly blind to the coming crash in 2006 - so many of them were professing a rosy future, and now you (and they) are repeating exactly the same mistake.
then we inflate a little and move forward...like always :confusedshrug:

People have been predicting doom and gloom over the debt and money no longer being backed by shiny rocks for decades. Inflation can go on infinitely...as long as it is on the 5% a year range it's fine.

we'll print money and print money and print money and print money...down the road a coke might cost $100 and the debt will be a gazillion...doesn't matter...we'll just print more money. That's what it is.

[KevinNYC]

There's really no point discussing this with someone still under the delusion that printing money constitutes real economic growth. The US can only filter its debt onto other countries for so long. The necessary contraction has only been forestalled by such a loose FED policy, and again, it can only be put off for so long. This 'recovery' has already been longer than the average period of time between recessions, yet the fruits of this recovery have only been felt by a small minority. Most people are still worse off and yet interest rates have not been increased (and won't be for some time), so how can the FED respond when the next recession inevitably comes? Lower interest rates? can't do that. Only option will be to print more money - then what? Typical of the kind of economics you profess, your perspective is too narrow and you see only the short term. It's why Keynesians were so incredibly blind to the coming crash in 2006 - so many of them were professing a rosy future, and now you (and they) are repeating exactly the same mistake.
And we would have gotten away with it too, we would have gotten The Depression we fervently wish for, if it weren't for your meddling Kenesians!

Have fun storming the Castle.

[nathanjizzle]

There's really no point discussing this with someone still under the delusion that printing money constitutes real economic growth. The US can only filter its debt onto other countries for so long. The necessary contraction has only been forestalled by such a loose FED policy, and again, it can only be put off for so long. This 'recovery' has already been longer than the average period of time between recessions, yet the fruits of this recovery have only been felt by a small minority. Most people are still worse off and yet interest rates have not been increased (and won't be for some time), so how can the FED respond when the next recession inevitably comes? Lower interest rates? can't do that. Only option will be to print more money - then what? Typical of the kind of economics you profess, your perspective is too narrow and you see only the short term. It's why Keynesians were so incredibly blind to the coming crash in 2006 - so many of them were professing a rosy future, and now you (and they) are repeating exactly the same mistake.

you need professional help.

[rufuspaul]

Really surprised he railroaded the reds on healthcare.


No kidding.

[DukeDelonte13]

I'm pretty happy. I don't expect anything from Presidents these days when it comes to foreign policy and other big movements.

I want a Dem because I'm looking for supreme court appointments, gay marriage, drugs, health care, science and social funding, etc. In that regard it's been good, and in fact really good in some areas.

Really surprised he railroaded the reds on healthcare.


i don't think it was a rail-roading. The ACA was really a joint effort, only repubs like to b*tch about it. Insurance companies did get some new tax breaks in the deal, but in the end something drastic needed to be done. 80% of all bankruptcies in the country were a direct result of medical bills. Doesn't matter red or blue neither could live in a society where small business owners or people with pre-existing conditions where at the mercy of Anthem or Kaiser-Permanente.

[Droid101]

i don't think it was a rail-roading. The ACA was really a joint effort, only repubs like to b*tch about it. Insurance companies did get some new tax breaks in the deal, but in the end something drastic needed to be done. 80% of all bankruptcies in the country were a direct result of medical bills. Doesn't matter red or blue neither could live in a society where small business owners or people with pre-existing conditions where at the mercy of Anthem or Kaiser-Permanente.
ACA was a Republican idea via the Heritage Foundation.

If not for Republicans, we could have joined the rest of the civilized world with Single Payer or Universal Health care.

[Nanners]

ACA was a Republican idea via the Heritage Foundation.

If not for Republicans, we could have joined the rest of the civilized world with Single Payer or Universal Health care.

yep, hilarious how so many people ignore that it was mitt fvcking romney who was the first to actually implement the system.

the ACA is a lot better than our previous system, but single payer would have been even better. oh well, baby steps.

[KingBeasley08]

One thing that I like that Obama did recently. Instead of acting guilty and trying to make the USA look apologetic, dude released one of the most badass and patriotic quote in a while

"That's always the case. That's always the case. America leads. We are the indispensable nation. We have capacity no one else has. Our military is the best in the history of the world. And when trouble comes up anywhere in the world, they don't call Beijing, they don't call Moscow, they call us. That's the deal. When there's a typhoon in the Philippines, take a look at who's helping the Philippines deal with that situation. When there's an earthquake in Haiti, take a look at who's leading the charge helping Haiti rebuild. That's how we roll. That's what makes us Americans."


My freedom boner was about 12 inches long after this quote. So badass :bowdown:

Bumped him up from a 3 to a 4 just for this

[Draz]

One thing that I like that Obama did recently. Instead of acting guilty and trying to make the USA look apologetic, dude released one of the most badass and patriotic quote in a while

"That's always the case. That's always the case. America leads. We are the indispensable nation. We have capacity no one else has. Our military is the best in the history of the world. And when trouble comes up anywhere in the world, they don't call Beijing, they don't call Moscow, they call us. That's the deal. When there's a typhoon in the Philippines, take a look at who's helping the Philippines deal with that situation. When there's an earthquake in Haiti, take a look at who's leading the charge helping Haiti rebuild. That's how we roll. That's what makes us Americans."


My freedom boner was about 12 inches long after this quote. So badass :bowdown:

Bumped him up from a 3 to a 4 just for this
:bowdown: he had a few more too.

[Lebron23]

One thing that I like that Obama did recently. Instead of acting guilty and trying to make the USA look apologetic, dude released one of the most badass and patriotic quote in a while

"That's always the case. That's always the case. America leads. We are the indispensable nation. We have capacity no one else has. Our military is the best in the history of the world. And when trouble comes up anywhere in the world, they don't call Beijing, they don't call Moscow, they call us. That's the deal. When there's a typhoon in the Philippines, take a look at who's helping the Philippines deal with that situation. When there's an earthquake in Haiti, take a look at who's leading the charge helping Haiti rebuild. That's how we roll. That's what makes us Americans."


My freedom boner was about 12 inches long after this quote. So badass :bowdown:

Bumped him up from a 3 to a 4 just for this

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Nick Young]

One thing that I like that Obama did recently. Instead of acting guilty and trying to make the USA look apologetic, dude released one of the most badass and patriotic quote in a while

"That's always the case. That's always the case. America leads. We are the indispensable nation. We have capacity no one else has. Our military is the best in the history of the world. And when trouble comes up anywhere in the world, they don't call Beijing, they don't call Moscow, they call us. That's the deal. When there's a typhoon in the Philippines, take a look at who's helping the Philippines deal with that situation. When there's an earthquake in Haiti, take a look at who's leading the charge helping Haiti rebuild. That's how we roll. That's what makes us Americans."


My freedom boner was about 12 inches long after this quote. So badass :bowdown:

Bumped him up from a 3 to a 4 just for this
Ahh man, even when I hear him say stuff like that I get pumped up, still, Putin has zero respect for him and thinks he's a joke, imagine for example an Arnold type ex General badass saying a speech like that instead of law prof Obama.

Just keep Obamas speech writers around after his term ends.

[KingBeasley08]

Ahh man, even when I hear him say stuff like that I get pumped up, still, Putin has zero respect for him and thinks he's a joke, imagine for example an Arnold type ex General badass saying a speech like that instead of law prof Obama.

Just keep Obamas speech writers around after his term ends.
Yeah he's incredibly charismatic and has great delivery but I don't really buy it most of the time. I think in the next twenty years, the USA is due another all-time great President in the vein of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, or Roosevelt. It's a matter of time :applause:

[rufuspaul]

Ahh man, even when I hear him say stuff like that I get pumped up, still, Putin has zero respect for him and thinks he's a joke, imagine for example an Arnold type ex General badass saying a speech like that instead of law prof Obama.

Just keep Obamas speech writers around after his term ends.


It's nice talk. Of course where were we when those girls got abducted in Nigeria? Where were we when the ebola epidemic first started and the leaders of Liberia and Sierra Leone asked for help? Where were we when ISIS started gaining strength or when Assad used chemical weapons or when Russian backed rebels started killing people and shooting down commercial jets or when Israel was getting daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah? People say we can't be everywhere but the president said it's what makes us Americans.

[Droid101]

It's nice talk. Of course where were we when those girls got abducted in Nigeria? Where were we when the ebola epidemic first started and the leaders of Liberia and Sierra Leone asked for help? Where were we when ISIS started gaining strength or when Assad used chemical weapons or when Russian backed rebels started killing people and shooting down commercial jets or when Israel was getting daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah? People say we can't be everywhere but the president said it's what makes us Americans.
Yeah! Where was Obama and America when I dropped my laptop and the screen cracked? Where were they when the milk in my fridge went sour and I got a bad taste in my mouth? Where was America when I had that tummy ache!?!

[KingBeasley08]

Yeah! Where was Obama and America when I dropped my laptop and the screen cracked? Where were they when the milk in my fridge went sour and I got a bad taste in my mouth? Where was America when I had that tummy ache!?!
Do you really think Obama is one of the greatest Presidents in American history?

[rufuspaul]

Yeah! Where was Obama and America when I dropped my laptop and the screen cracked? Where were they when the milk in my fridge went sour and I got a bad taste in my mouth? Where was America when I had that tummy ache!?!


Stupid response. No comparison of world events to your meaningless day-to-day libtard existence even though I'm sure you would love to live in that type of nanny state. And anyway I was responding to the quote from your idol himself.

[Nick Young]

It's nice talk. Of course where were we when those girls got abducted in Nigeria? Where were we when the ebola epidemic first started and the leaders of Liberia and Sierra Leone asked for help? Where were we when ISIS started gaining strength or when Assad used chemical weapons or when Russian backed rebels started killing people and shooting down commercial jets or when Israel was getting daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah? People say we can't be everywhere but the president said it's what makes us Americans.
We do more then every other nation in the world does combined, so that's a dumb argument.

[rufuspaul]

We do more then every other nation in the world does combined, so that's a dumb argument.


I'm not debating that. It just seems a little 2-faced for Obama to be spouting off about how saving the world is what makes us Americans when under his leadership we have ignored so many pressing world problems. Problems that directly effect our interests I might add.

[Droid101]

Do you really think Obama is one of the greatest Presidents in American history?
When did I say that anywhere in this thread or any other?


Stupid response. No comparison of world events to your meaningless day-to-day libtard existence even though I'm sure you would love to live in that type of nanny state. And anyway I was responding to the quote from your idol himself.
"Nanny state" heh. That's always been an hilarious talking point. Glad it's still in circulation.

[rufuspaul]

"Nanny state" heh. That's always been an hilarious talking point. Glad it's still in circulation.


Yet it's a good term to describe the government taking care of your every need. :confusedshrug:

[Balla_Status]

These days all I'm going to care about is who's gonna tax me the least. How bout we stop being retarded and stop taxing foreign income.

[Droid101]

Yet it's a good term to describe the government taking care of your every need. :confusedshrug:
No government in the world does that.

[Patrick Chewing]

Name one thing.

Two words: Bowe Bergdahl

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

How about getting a better job??


People are too lazy to work nowadays.

I'm in college right now, doing just that. Thanks, though. I'll keep that in mind.

[Droid101]

Two words: Bowe Bergdahl
Try something actually unconstitutional, and not a Fox News talking point. :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Try something actually unconstitutional, and not a Fox News talking point. :lol


Everything you come back with is "Fox News talking point". You're a robot, dude.

Going behind Congress and dealing with terrorists was illegal.


Your boy should be in jail. Not playing golf while Americans are getting beheaded.

[BRabbiT]

6/10


has had a very difficult road to navigate, though

[sick_brah07]

he has started more wars

he tried to scare russia and Putin laughed at him

you guys are in even more debt

so i would say shit

but as i am from australia i cant really comment

what i can say is though tony abbott is probably the most retarded leader ive ever seen in Australia

threatened putin last week got laughed at

promised like 5 things then changed his mind after elected

sent us back to war we all DO NOT WANT TO BE IN

we are in even more debt even though his whole campaign was about getting rid of our debt lol

[Droid101]

Your boy should be in jail. Not playing golf while Americans are getting beheaded.
I guess they have all the evidence they need to impeach then, yes?

So... why haven't they?

[ThePhantomCreep]

I'm not debating that. It just seems a little 2-faced for Obama to be spouting off about how saving the world is what makes us Americans when under his leadership we have ignored so many pressing world problems. Problems that directly effect our interests I might add.

What pressing issues? Like global warming? Conservatives don't believe in that there foolishness. Give the 1% another tax cut!

[rufuspaul]

What pressing issues?


for starters:
where were we when those girls got abducted in Nigeria? Where were we when the ebola epidemic first started and the leaders of Liberia and Sierra Leone asked for help? Where were we when ISIS started gaining strength or when Assad used chemical weapons or when Russian backed rebels started killing people and shooting down commercial jets or when Israel was getting daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah? People say we can't be everywhere but the president said it's what makes us Americans.



No government in the world does that.

and yet that's what you were requesting

[KevinNYC]

Don't look now but new unemployment claims are the lowest they have been in 14 years.

New Unemployment Claims Fall to Their Lowest Since 2000


The number of people applying for unemployment benefits dropped to the lowest level in 14 years last week, in the latest sign of a strengthening labor market that could help blunt worries about the impact of weak global growth.

The Labor Department said Thursday that initial jobless claims fell 23,000 to a seasonally adjusted 264,000, the lowest since April 2000.

Job Openings at their Highest Level since 2001
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-job-openings-at-highest-level-since-2001/ar-BB82doT

U.S. job openings rose to a seasonally adjusted 4.835 million in August, the highest level since January 2001, the Labor Department said on Tuesday in its monthly Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey.

[Rodmantheman]

He brought Ebola to America.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/d5/d5895649a4034ef7580a23a3a1ba41314c343683311493e314 a1484a15992140.jpg

[SpecialQue]

11. Greatest president since Lincoln. I'd suck his dick if I were a White House intern and gay.

[MadeFromDust]

Don't look now but new unemployment claims are the lowest they have been in 14 years.

New Unemployment Claims Fall to Their Lowest Since 2000



Job Openings at their Highest Level since 2001
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-job-openings-at-highest-level-since-2001/ar-BB82doT

U.S. job openings rose to a seasonally adjusted 4.835 million in August, the highest level since January 2001, the Labor Department said on Tuesday in its monthly Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey.
Yay for McDonalds and Walmart and artificially adjusted minimum wages :rolleyes:

[Droid101]

Yay for McDonalds and Walmart and artificially adjusted minimum wages :rolleyes:
Great. So, if unemployment falls, you say this. If it rises, you say "Obama u sucks!"

Win win situation for you!

[ThePhantomCreep]

Great. So, if unemployment falls, you say this. If it rises, you say "Obama u sucks!"

Win win situation for you!

That's (yet another) bullshit conservative talking point anyway--87% of the job gains since 2010 have been full-time positions.

[MavsSuperFan]

Off the top of my head
7/10 domestic policy
Positives (imo)
-trap bailouts saved the banks
-bailed out the big 3 auto companies
-Economy is recovering and unemployment is headed in the right direction
- the deficit is declining (eg. the amount of our debt is increasing slower)
-The ACA has helped insure millions of people
- gays got more rights
-forced employers to provide birth control

Negatives (imo)
-largely caved into the GOP on the bush tax cuts
- Gave into the GOP on many issues (Obama is a compromiser imo)
-NSA spying on americans

1/10 foreign policy
Positives
-Repaired a lot of the damage Bush did with unilateral actions, by trying to act with international support
- Obama is popular in western europe, latin america and africa.
- Focused on afghanistan and finally killed bin laden, there by avenging 9/11
- although somewhat mixed, I do like that he left iraq. I understand that a lot of the stuff that lead to ISIS in iraq stemed from us leaving and thereby allowing Maliki to discriminate against the Sunni, but that would have happened even if america left 20 years from now. The US was just the lid on that broken pressure cooker, it was going to explode when the US left.
-Using personality drone strikes and special forces to avoid/reduce american casualties
-not arming the Syrian rebels

Negatives
- Drone strikes against people when we arent sure who they are (signature strikes)
-Double tap drone strikes
-Giving the impression of weakness.
- Creating doubts that america will honor its defense treaties
-neglecting Iraq, allowing Maliki to discriminate against Sunnis
-ineffective bombing campaign against isis.
-Kept Gitmo open for a long time, with practices like forced feedings.

6/10 Overall

[97 bulls]

Its hard to rate him. A lot of things hes tried to pass has been fought by his opponents. One that comes to mind is his plan to tax businesses that relocate to other countries. Republicans fought against that.

And we wont really see the true effects of Obamas decision until years after he left office

[MavsSuperFan]

Its hard to rate him. A lot of things hes tried to pass has been fought by his opponents. One that comes to mind is his plan to tax businesses that relocate to other countries. Republicans fought against that.

And we wont really see the true effects of Obamas decision until years after he left office
Then make them pay for it. You're the president, congress is at 11% approval. IIRC a poll showed that americans liked root canals more than congress.

Use the bully pulpit, call out your enemies, make it clear to people why the GOP is wrong and why you believe you're right.

Other presidents have done it before.
Truman called his congress the do nothing congress.
FDR tried to stack the supreme court
Teddy Roosevelt publicly called out his opponents.
etc.

Obama is not a very strong politician.

Also i find it funny when people claim that no president was opposed more than obama. I mean these people know we have had a civil war in our history right :lol

[jstern]

9 out of 10. I have a better memory than most, and just remember all the big major issues that most have forgotten, that he was determined of pushing through and succeeding against all odds.

I haven't read any of the comments in this thread, but I feel pro or against him, they are all probably worthless. Just people basing it on their political ideology, or their daddy political ideology.

[jstern]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/58592/large/BZmxQfaCQAAXTTH.png?1385060763

That picture is from around January, so who knows how much worse it is now. And it really paints a picture of the BS that Obama has to put up with just to try and get things done. Putting up with adults with the mentality of whining little children.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/xdt6cn.jpg

[Dresta]

Great. So, if unemployment falls, you say this. If it rises, you say "Obama u sucks!"

Win win situation for you!

Of course unemployment is going to fall if the minimum wage is technically lowered every year since 2009. How much stuff do you think $7.25 from 2009 is going to buy you in 2014/15? - i would not be at all surprise if the real answer was something around $12-13. If you look at consumer spending, you'll see it has risen significantly, despite the majority of the American population not feeling better off economically. Why is this? Because everything costs more; food prices have gone up considerably (despite being supposed to go down), and lunatics like Krugman want them forced up further!

With people earning that much less, of course there are more jobs available! But again, basing everything off these kind of aggregated statistics, without accounting for other factors, is to be completely blind to real-world realities. Nobody listened when I said Obama's economic policies were going to hurt the poor the worst (as well as benefit asset holders - i.e. the well off), and now they just throw back whiney nonsense about the 1% and rising inequality as if that is a valid argument, and as if their black jesus didn't pursue policies that made all these problems worse, and royally screwed poor people, a large percentage of whom, are black.

Bit of an Uncle Tom really.

[brownmamba00]

1/10

obamacare is something I support but for the rest **** obama in the ass

[Balla_Status]

Its hard to rate him. A lot of things hes tried to pass has been fought by his opponents. One that comes to mind is his plan to tax businesses that relocate to other countries. Republicans fought against that.

And we wont really see the true effects of Obamas decision until years after he left office

Thank **** for that. What a stupid decision that would've been. Instead of getting butthurt about companies leaving, why doesn't the government figure out why they leave? Saying they can't leave "because America" is a pretty shit reason.

[falc39]

3/10 Obama
2/10 GW Bush

[MadeFromDust]

Good thing Congress was able to block all his nominees. His "legacy" :oldlol: will now end with him after his lame duck stint

[Patrick Chewing]

9 out of 10.


Is this you??

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hVkPhgN5Xsc/TKFH4xBamGI/AAAAAAAAAU4/rZMe_VIRk5A/s1600/haight-hippie.jpg

[jstern]

Good thing Congress was able to block all his nominees. His "legacy" :oldlol: will now end with him after his lame duck stint

Spoken like a true child.

"We don't like Obama, so we're going to make it impossible for him to do absolutely anything. The hell with country, I just want the party that I'm rooting for to win and for Obama to look bad. Even if it means that the country is going to go to shit, because it will be under Obama's term, and he'll get the blame. And for the good things that happen under him, we'll just make up excuses, like the unemployment is down because of the minimum wage, not black Jesus Obama. But if Bush or Reagan was President then would have definetely been because of them."

[Lakers Legend#32]

7/10

[KevinNYC]

Then make them pay for it. You're the president, congress is at 11% approval. IIRC a poll showed that americans liked root canals more than congress.

Use the bully pulpit, call out your enemies, make it clear to people why the GOP is wrong and why you believe you're right.

Other presidents have done it before.
Truman called his congress the do nothing congress.
FDR tried to stack the supreme court
Teddy Roosevelt publicly called out his opponents.
etc.

Obama is not a very strong politician.

Also i find it funny when people claim that no president was opposed more than obama. I mean these people know we have had a civil war in our history right :lol

This by the way is called the Green Lantern theory of politics. (http://www.vox.com/2014/5/20/5732208/the-green-lantern-theory-of-the-presidency-explained)

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Obama-Green-Lantern.jpg