Why are Liberals this stupid??

[Patrick Chewing]

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-host-makes-extremely-racist-comment-about-the-democratic-party

Or why do they deliberately deceive with articles like this?? They've been fooling minorities and poor people for years into thinking they are actually for their "cause".

Liberals prey on the weak and feeble, and eventually, the least educated fall for this type of backwards propaganda.

[RidonKs]

why do you care?

aren't there more important things to discuss than liberals this and conservatives that and who's fundamentalist and who's moderate and who spells their name with a silent k?

of course those more important things are more difficult to learn about, which might explain your neglect of them.

[SugarHill]

Being conservative is so fun. Love this team!

[Patrick Chewing]

why do you care?




Answer the question. Why do they spread this false racism propaganda every where they can just to garner an emotional response and sway people to their cause? It's like the wolf in sheep's clothing.


And people can't be this stupid either to watch a video like this, or any video like this and say that's racism.

[Andrew Wiggins]

where da big gurls at brah

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/465880301344800768/hwFuDwlL_400x400.jpeg

[RidonKs]

Answer the question.
no. i don't care.

i didn't even watch the video. i'm sure the woman in it isn't a thoroughbred bigot. if she is, i also don't care. it's not important.

there's so much sh!t flying at us from every direction these days, people lose the ability to distinguish what actually matters from what is a) entirely irrelevant or b) entirely subjective

or they never learn to in the first place.

maybe it's always been like that. but the mass media entertainment complex of the western world certainly hasn't helped.

[gts]

why do you care?

aren't there more important things to discuss than liberals this and conservatives that and who's fundamentalist and who's moderate and who spells their name with a silent k?

of course those more important things are more difficult to learn about, which might explain your neglect of them.

What an elitist snobfest of a post.

Blah blah blah the only things worth discussing are things I think are important.


To the OP I've often wondered how and why the media in the USA by and large puts forth a liberal slant.

[Patrick Chewing]

no. i don't care.

i didn't even watch the video. i'm sure the woman in it isn't a thoroughbred bigot. if she is, i also don't care. it's not important.

there's so much sh!t flying at us from every direction these days, people lose the ability to distinguish what actually matters from what is a) entirely irrelevant or b) entirely subjective

or they never learn to in the first place.

maybe it's always been like that. but the mass media entertainment complex of the western world certainly hasn't helped.

What the hell are you rambling on about?? You been drinking?? Don't lie to me.

[Droid101]

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-host-makes-extremely-racist-comment-about-the-democratic-party

Or why do they deliberately deceive with articles like this?? They've been fooling minorities and poor people for years into thinking they are actually for their "cause".

Liberals prey on the weak and feeble, and eventually, the least educated fall for this type of backwards propaganda.
A paid Fox News Actor said something to another paid Fox News Actor.

Patrick Chewing is outraged.

[ItsMillerTime]

OP's government has him forever brainwashed to debate conservatives vs liberals..

:facepalm

[RidonKs]

What an elitist snobfest of a post.

Blah blah blah the only things worth discussing are things I think are important.
i consistently get the nastiest vibe from you for whatever reason. you've always been one of my favourite posters. oh well (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9obTgRwJPQ) :confusedshrug:

i'm referring to something specific here, not general like "im always right" or "im gods gift" or whatever you seem to think is constantly going through my head.

the topic is whether or not the lady in that video is a racist. you think that's a worthwhile political conversation to have? i don't and i feel i'm standing on very solid ground with that opinion. i'm not going to stop anybody from taking up that topic but i will express the fact that its a stupid topic to take up.

sure my post was condescending but that's because i'm talking to patrick chewing who i despise and feel has a completely inadequate understanding about everything he talks about and who i feel no remorse talking down to because he's an ignorant arrogant asshole.

whereas i'm only an arrogant asshole.

[RidonKs]

What the hell are you rambling on about?? You been drinking?? Don't lie to me.
negative. i wouldn't lie, even but not especially to you.

[RidonKs]

To the OP I've often wondered how and why the media in the USA by and large puts forth a liberal slant.
there are good answers to that question imo but i suppose i'd just be another meandering liberal pr*ck to raise them

[Jailblazers7]

GOP does a pretty effective job of driving away poor minorities. It's silly to act like they are being deceived into not voting for a xenophobic party that constantly calls poor people lazy. Part of the problem is that the GOP has been radicalized.

[Patrick Chewing]

GOP does a pretty effective job of driving away poor minorities. It's silly to act like they are being deceived into not voting for a xenophobic party that constantly calls poor people lazy. Part of the problem is that the GOP has been radicalized.


This just isn't true. The GOP is not about giving handouts, but about creating opportunities to be self-sustainable. Plenty of minorities in the GOP. Minorities that get ostracized by members of their own ethnic/racial group.

So I'll ask again, why do Liberals feed on and push this racial agenda?? The poorest and most downtrodden of cities are run by Democrats. Why can't minorities and poor people in general see the hypocrisy here?

[Lord Bean]

i just feel like this is lebron's fault

[RidonKs]

So I'll ask again, why do Liberals feed on and push this racial agenda?? The poorest and most downtrodden of cities are run by Democrats. Why can't minorities and poor people in general see the hypocrisy here?
you're begging a chicken/egg question here when no such question exists to anybody with their eyes open

poor minorities aren't going to "see the hypocrisy" of the fact that their neighbourhoods are largely run by democrats, yet they remain impoverished and disenfranchised. the reason those poor minorities put those democrats in charge in the first place is because republicans are the only other alternative. it's obvious to poor minorities that while the democratic party isn't perfect, it represents their interests far better than the republican party does.

[Heavincent]

Check your privilege OP.

lol

[travelingman]

but about creating opportunities to be self-sustainable.

:facepalm

[Droid101]

So I'll ask again, why do Liberals feed on and push this racial agenda??
I don't know! Darn liberals, and their racist agendas!

http://aattp.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/racist-obama-lying-african.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/photoessays/teapartyniggar2.jpg

https://paulboylan.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/muslin.jpg

http://www.allthingsdemocrat.com/pages/images/RacistObamaPic51.jpg

http://retired.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/obama-witchdoctor-muck.jpg

http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/racist-obama-bumper-640.jpg

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2013/2014-04-24-ABC-WN-Bundy.JPG




But, we have black friends you see! Vote for us!

[travelingman]

The poorest and most downtrodden of cities are run by Democrats.

Who "runs" the most successful cities in the U.S.?

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm


So you think government handouts are the way to go?? Laziness and victimization is the way of the future?

[NumberSix]

I don't know! Darn liberals, and their racist agendas!

http://aattp.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/racist-obama-lying-african.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/photoessays/teapartyniggar2.jpg

https://paulboylan.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/muslin.jpg

http://www.allthingsdemocrat.com/pages/images/RacistObamaPic51.jpg

http://retired.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/obama-witchdoctor-muck.jpg

http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/racist-obama-bumper-640.jpg

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2013/2014-04-24-ABC-WN-Bundy.JPG




But, we have black friends you see! Vote for us!
You're being very racist. Not all republicans are like that. Most of them just want to pray and eat sandwiches.

[Patrick Chewing]

Who "runs" the most successful cities in the U.S.?

This is from a 2012 article:

The Ten Poorest U.S. Cities
City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%

What do the top ten cities(over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

Detroit, MI (1st on the list) hasn

[Patrick Chewing]

But, we have black friends you see! Vote for us!


Because every Republican/Tea Partier is represented in those photos of yours right?? :rolleyes:


http://www.zombietime.com/us_out_of_iraq_now_sf_3-18-2007/IMG_2416.JPG

http://mugsysrapsheet.com/4blog/BushHitler/bush_hitler02.jpg

http://www.actupny.org/reports/bush_protest.1.20.05.jpg


Because Liberals think they're perfect angels. :rolleyes:

[Jailblazers7]

This just isn't true. The GOP is not about giving handouts, but about creating opportunities to be self-sustainable. Plenty of minorities in the GOP. Minorities that get ostracized by members of their own ethnic/racial group.

So I'll ask again, why do Liberals feed on and push this racial agenda?? The poorest and most downtrodden of cities are run by Democrats. Why can't minorities and poor people in general see the hypocrisy here?

NY
LA
SF
DC
BOS
CHI
SEA
PRO
PIT
PHI
HOU
DAL

Hate to break it to you but most major cities are run by Dems. Which one of those are downtrodden? Voters are won over by policy not by article attacking fox news employees.

Policy criticism is fine but crying about some liberal racial brainwashing BS is just stupid. You could argue that Dems "buy" votes through policy and that'd be at least a defensible argument.

[Andrew Wiggins]

You're being very racist. Not all republicans are like that. Most of them just want to pray and eat sandwiches.

republicans are a race? :lol

[Droid101]

Because Liberals think they're perfect angels. :rolleyes:
Those images aren't racist.

[Nanners]

Why is Patrick Chewing this stupid??

[russwest0]

this is the primary problem I have with MOST liberals (not all).

they try way too hard to appeal to victims and throw around emotions and shit as opposed to dealing with facts. this shit accomplishes nothing other than inciting emotions from the weak. see the trayvon martin case or plenty of other examples.

few things make me mad in this world but the liberal media pisses me off.

[Dresta]

A more important question is just why socialists or social democrats feel they have the right to call themselves 'liberal' - the word had a long and proud history before the left decided to annex it, despite already having a plethora of more accurate ways of describing themselves.

This is 'liberal' nowadays:


In the US, the progressive cause has a firmer definition and a longer history (a history from which policies such as prohibition and eugenics have been largely written out). To see what the word progressive means today, consider the city of Berkeley, California. According to Robert Reich, a professor at UC Berkeley, it is ‘the most progressive city in America’. It has also been described as a ‘liberal bastion’. How liberal is it? So liberal that it is illegal to smoke a cigarette in your own flat (sorry, ‘apartment’) and, at the city’s university, it is against the rules to chew tobacco or use e-cigarettes anywhere at all, including in the open air.

Berkeley is also seriously considering a tax on sugar-sweetened beverages – aka a ‘soda tax’. A public vote will settle the matter next month, and, in the view of Robert Reich, ‘if a soda tax can’t pass in the most progressive city in America, it can’t pass anywhere’.

Consider that statement for a moment. If you didn’t know what the word ‘progressive’ meant – and you knew nothing about Berkeley – what could you infer from the context? If the sentence was changed to ‘if a soda tax can’t pass in the most oppressive city in America, it can’t pass anywhere’, it would make sense. If words like ‘tax-hungry’, ‘anti-business’, ‘puritanical’ or ‘illiberal’ were substituted for ‘progressive’, it would still read correctly.

If, however, the sentence was changed to ‘if a soda tax can’t pass in the most tolerant city in America, it can’t pass anywhere’, it would be incongruous. Words like ‘permissive’, ‘libertarian’, ‘easygoing’ and ‘broad-minded’ would also be confusing substitutes for ‘progressive’ in this context, and yet these are all adjectives that appear in the thesaurus under the word ‘liberal’. From this we might conclude either that soda taxes are not terribly liberal or that progressives are not terribly liberal. Or both.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/america-we-need-to-talk-about-the-word-progressive/16014#.VD7w_itdWCg


Enough of this leftist distortion of language.

[Nick Young]

Stacey Dash, the actress and star of the hit film "Clueless," has been employed by Fox News for less than six months, but this isn't the first time that she has made controversial remarks. Earlier this week, Dash suggested that each city in America set up Ebola "quarantine" centers to hold patients who could be at risk for virus.

WTF? Why is that controversial? Are democrats against quarantining people who might have ebola???:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

this is the primary problem I have with MOST liberals (not all).

they try way too hard to appeal to victims and throw around emotions and shit as opposed to dealing with facts. this shit accomplishes nothing other than inciting emotions from the weak. see the trayvon martin case or plenty of other examples.

few things make me mad in this world but the liberal media pisses me off.


He gets it.

[NumberSix]

A more important question is just why socialists or social democrats feel they have the right to call themselves 'liberal' - the word had a long and proud history before the left decided to annex it, despite already having a plethora of more accurate ways of describing themselves.

This is 'liberal' nowadays:



Enough of this leftist distortion of language.
It's not that entirely black and white with regards to things like tobacco and sugar.

In a country like America, if you are a person who has no health insurance, when you have a heart attack and go to the emergency room... Because you can't pay for your emergency care, it drives up the costs for everybody else in order for the hospital to make up the difference.

When you are driving up the prices for the rest of us, it is everyone else's business if you're being carless with your own health. If you do pay or your insurance does, then it's nobody's business but your own.

[MadeFromDust]

A more important question is just why socialists or social democrats feel they have the right to call themselves 'liberal' - the word had a long and proud history before the left decided to annex it, despite already having a plethora of more accurate ways of describing themselves.

This is 'liberal' nowadays:



Enough of this leftist distortion of language.
lol That's their whole modus operandi. Their method is deception. They can't deal with or answer to the truth so they call the truth a lie, loudly and repeatedly, until the sheeple start to fall in step. Can a leopard change its spots? East is West, up is down, water is dry, a horse has no udders and a cow can't whinny.

[Trollsmasher]

You don't achieve the desired type of totality with intellectual honesty.

[Jailblazers7]

A more important question is just why socialists or social democrats feel they have the right to call themselves 'liberal' - the word had a long and proud history before the left decided to annex it, despite already having a plethora of more accurate ways of describing themselves.

This is 'liberal' nowadays:



Enough of this leftist distortion of language.

Wait, they are anti-tobacco but they've also effectively banned e-cigs? Why would they do that?

[Nick Young]

Wait, they are anti-tobacco but they've also effectively banned e-cigs? Why would they do that?
Berkely CA AKA the town where PC Social Justice Warriors are given full totalitarian control to do whatever they want and force their ideals down everyone's throats. How "liberal":facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

NY
LA
SF
DC
BOS
CHI
SEA
PRO
PIT
PHI
HOU
DAL

Hate to break it to you but most major cities are run by Dems. Which one of those are downtrodden? Voters are won over by policy not by article attacking fox news employees.

Policy criticism is fine but crying about some liberal racial brainwashing BS is just stupid. You could argue that Dems "buy" votes through policy and that'd be at least a defensible argument.

All those cities you mentioned have the poorest neighborhoods in the United States. Just because they're a big market does not = Everybody is bankin'.

[TheMan]

Stacy Dash is a hot little Blaxican mamacita, I'd smash hard:rockon:

On this conservative vs liberal thing, that is such a waste of time, make up your mind. That whole shit is way played out and boring.

[DukeDelonte13]

local politics are drastically different than national politics.

First off, most mayors can't do sh*t. City Councils have all the power.

Secondly, it's a million times easier to get elected to a city council position than it is to win an election for a federal seat.

Thirdly, in many many many communities, city councilmen/councilwomen are idiots who have no clue what they are doing.

Fourthly, individual municipalities simply do not have the type of policy making power that is typically at the heart of the liberal v. conservative debate. It goes Fed >>>> State >>>> County >>> City.

Republican and Democrat is just a label and/or a source of income for the candidate in local politics. That's it.

[Jailblazers7]

All those cities you mentioned have the poorest neighborhoods in the United States. Just because they're a big market does not = Everybody is bankin'.

That's just the reality of a city and it has been that way since their formation in the US.

[Jailblazers7]

Berkely CA AKA the town where PC Social Justice Warriors are given full totalitarian control to do whatever they want and force their ideals down everyone's throats. How "liberal":facepalm

Yeah, but I don't get why they would ban a "better" alternative to tobacco that really helps to eliminate some of the public nuisance of cigarette smoke. Kind of a weird policy choice.

[longtime lurker]

Lol Republicans really don't live in reality. They honestly think they're some defenders of minorities.

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol Republicans really don't live in reality. They honestly think they're some defenders of minorities.


What is the reality then??


That Liberals are? :oldlol:

[Dresta]

It's not that entirely black and white with regards to things like tobacco and sugar.

In a country like America, if you are a person who has no health insurance, when you have a heart attack and go to the emergency room... Because you can't pay for your emergency care, it drives up the costs for everybody else in order for the hospital to make up the difference.

When you are driving up the prices for the rest of us, it is everyone else's business if you're being carless with your own health. If you do pay or your insurance does, then it's nobody's business but your own.
And social security savings count for... what? Healthy people who live longest and never die are actually the biggest burden for society in terms of actual cost to the taxpayer. They use the most medical care (often requiring years and years of constant attention and treatment) as they slowly deteriorate, and they get the biggest benefits from the social security program.

Not to mention that if you smoke you have to pay an unjustifiably higher premium on your insurance anyway. Most of the people who smoke do this, and it isn't right for them to be extorted from every direction in this way. If what you are saying were a true expense (rather than just money spent elsewhere), then the person at fault isn't the smoker or sugar-consumer, it's the person who doesn't have insurance - so why are you penalising everyone else for these few?

Also, that article was not about charging smokers more (because that has already been long lost) it was about Berkeley, a place whose inhabitants describe as a 'liberal bastion' having descended into this kind of nonsense:

[QUOTE]It has also been described as a

[MadeFromDust]

To sum it all up, yes. Lieberals really are THAT stupid, and beyond.

[Jailblazers7]

The easiest thing in the world to do when you disagree with someone is to assume that are stupid and stop there. It's a big part of the reason why our system has become so polarized.

Political discussion have basically circled back to the playground in elementary school.

"You're stupid."
"No, you're stupid."

[KingBeasley08]

Berkley always has been a hippie school. Banning e-cigs? :facepalm


These people don't fit the definition of "liberal" at all. Horseshoe theory is true. Extreme leftists and extreme right wings end up at the same point

[dunksby]

Is everyone in the US either a liberal or a conservative? Do you all get initiated into one side when you become of age?

[Patrick Chewing]

The easiest thing in the world to do when you disagree with someone is to assume that are stupid and stop there. It's a big part of the reason why our system has become so polarized.

Political discussion have basically circled back to the playground in elementary school.

"You're stupid."
"No, you're stupid."


You have a point, but in this case, this guy is just looking for an emotional response, and just being downright deceitful to his readers. Nothing she said, mentioned, or perhaps implied was racist. And A LOT of Liberal pundits play this race card crap when it's just flat out wrong. Unethical pandering.

[Jailblazers7]

You have a point, but in this case, this guy is just looking for an emotional response, and just being downright deceitful to his readers. Nothing she said, mentioned, or perhaps implied was racist. And A LOT of Liberal pundits play this race card crap when it's just flat out wrong. Unethical pandering.

Yeah, but that has more to do with the media business model than a political agenda imo. Maybe the journalist (sorry didn't read the article) really, truly holds those beliefs and that is probably why he got the job. I think the state of journalism is really ****ed and it is doing some serious damage.

[ItsMillerTime]

Is everyone in the US either a liberal or a conservative? Do you all get initiated into one side when you become of age?

No. Only retards fully commit to being liberal or conservative. They watch too much Fox News or MSNBC and are easily brain-washed by each side's propaganda, thinking the other side is the enemy. Politicians and the media are very effective at this because the majority of the population are idiots. In reality we should all be on the same side trying to progress our nation as one collective agenda. The two party system is such a farce.

[Norcaliblunt]

Democrats these days only act like they stick up for the middle class, poor, and minorities while Republicans really do have the back of corporate Wall Street plutocrat hedge fund parasites.

[RidonKs]

Democrats these days only act like they stick up for the middle class, poor, and minorities while Republicans really do have the back of corporate Wall Street plutocrat hedge fund parasites.
:applause:

[Dresta]

The easiest thing in the world to do when you disagree with someone is to assume that are stupid and stop there. It's a big part of the reason why our system has become so polarized.

Political discussion have basically circled back to the playground in elementary school.

"You're stupid."
"No, you're stupid."
I don't think this is because they're stupid: not at all, more that they have created a complicated system of self-delusion to guard their vanity. I am quite Nietzschean in that i think the desire for self-assertion is the fundamental principle of all life, and this kind of public-health crusading is a way of extending power and influence over those you dislike, while still maintaining the facade in your own mind that you are doing good, and that you are helping these people, etc. The nature of this assertiveness is to always want to expand further, to impose its influence more, which is why, despite most of the Western world having already forced smokers into alleyways, they still aren't happy - they will always move to the next thing, and always try to justify it on altruistic terms. But these people are full of shit and always have been.

It's basically an inversion of Darwinian principle: where Darwin would say life's purpose is to preserve itself, Nietzsche would argue that it's purpose is to assert itself, to expand, to impose. I personally think the latter is more accurate, and it perfectly illustrates the motivations of these so-called altruists.

[GimmeThat]

because sometime stupid ideas are what transcends brilliance
when given into the right hand



sometime

[Blue&Orange]

Can someone explain me how this thread was made by the guy that argued against raising the minimum wage with a youtube video of someone that couldn't do math. :roll:

if only dumb people could realize they are dumb.

[RidonKs]

this kind of public-health crusading is a way of extending power and influence over those you dislike, while still maintaining the facade in your own mind that you are doing good, and that you are helping these people
isn't it possible to be motivated by the extension of your own influence and at the same time cater your actual actions to actually helping other people? i mean there are objectively speaking certain things that 'help' and certain things that 'hurt'. most of those things are in the blurry middle and are difficult to untangle but that doesn't

i pretty much agree with your nietzschean assessment of fundamental human psychology. but it doesn't conflict with my desire to help others, as best i see fit and to the best of my ability.

it just doesn't make sense to me to bash somebody's actions based on their motivations, which you more or less admit are universal anyway. so if they're universal, there are literally no grounds for criticism; the old adage that if everybody's guilty of everything, nobody's guilty of anything.

if the actual output is harmful, sure you should examine intentions since that's an important part of a criminal investigation. but if the output is helpful, why would you bother slamming the person's core motivation when they don't differ from anybody else's anyway?




this is all besides the fact that any attempt to narrow in on psychological underpinnings is an effort in futility, and even though i am quite sympathetic to nitzschean will to power, i also readily admit that it's non-falsifiable and not particularly useful as a framework for understanding the real world. it's about as scientific as psychoanalysis. and more often than not, you being my case in point, it will lead the examiner astray.

[RidonKs]

blllurmp

[Norcaliblunt]

Tame Wall Street

Wall Street is no longer a source of productive investment, but a danger to the real economy. We must reduce reckless speculation, make Wall Street pay its fair share of taxes, and encourage investment in 21st century farms, factories and small businesses.

I WILL DEMAND:

A 1% Wall Street Sales Tax, like the one recently passed in Europe. This will prevent another financial crisis and put tens to hundreds of billions back into the US Treasury.

End all bailouts of banks and financial institutions.

Claw back the TARP and other public money given or lent to financiers.
Abolish the notion of too big to fail; Bank of America, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Wells Fargo and others are insolvent and must be seized by the FDIC for chapter 7 liquidation, with derivatives eliminated by triage.

Re-institute the Glass-Steagall firewall to separate banks, brokerages, and insurance.

Re-regulate derivatives markets to ban the most dangerous speculative instruments prevent oil, gasoline and food price spikes.

Set a 10% maximum rate of interest on credit cards and payday loans: restore state and federal anti-usury laws. Ban adjustable-rate mortgages.

Restore individual chapter 11.

Take Back the Fed

TO FINANCE AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY

The American Society of Civil Engineers reports that America needs to invest $3.6 trillion in its infrastructure over the next 10 years. Imagine the impact of such a program

[Norcaliblunt]

Medicare for All

NATIONAL, SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH INSURANCE

The debate over

[Dresta]

isn't it possible to be motivated by the extension of your own influence and at the same time cater your actual actions to actually helping other people? i mean there are objectively speaking certain things that 'help' and certain things that 'hurt'. most of those things are in the blurry middle and are difficult to untangle but that doesn't

i pretty much agree with your nietzschean assessment of fundamental human psychology. but it doesn't conflict with my desire to help others, as best i see fit and to the best of my ability.

it just doesn't make sense to me to bash somebody's actions based on their motivations, which you more or less admit are universal anyway. so if they're universal, there are literally no grounds for criticism; the old adage that if everybody's guilty of everything, nobody's guilty of anything.

if the actual output is harmful, sure you should examine intentions since that's an important part of a criminal investigation. but if the output is helpful, why would you bother slamming the person's core motivation when they don't differ from anybody else's anyway?

this is all besides the fact that any attempt to narrow in on psychological underpinnings is an effort in futility, and even though i am quite sympathetic to nitzschean will to power, i also readily admit that it's non-falsifiable and not particularly useful as a framework for understanding the real world. it's about as scientific as psychoanalysis. and more often than not, you being my case in point, it will lead the examiner astray.My point is that they aren't actually helping anyone outside of themselves, while also being dishonest (or deluding themselves) as to the motivating factors of their desire to 'help' which they tend to see as pure, honest and virtuous, when they are anything but. It is both hypocritical and annoying. I should reiterate: I'm not disparaging those who help others in any way, only those who claim to help others (after actually making their lives more difficult and unpleasant), while rather transparently enjoying the power over the lives of other people they get from this 'helping' (perhaps your typical schoolmarm would be a good example of this kind of person).

There are many different forms of self-assertion, but the kind this type of individual engages in (those who know what's best for others, who know what they should be doing, how they can act, what they should eat, drink and smoke - is this not the modern manifestation of telling people who they should sleep with, regulating their sex lives etc.?) - this kind of puritanical and moralising self-assertion is tyrannical by nature, and there's an abundance of historical examples showing this to be so.

So basically, i think the outcome is negative and their surface motivations are of the basest nature. I'm not a pure consequentialist either - i think motivation is important. The will to power may be a universal, but it expresses itself in many different ways. Christianity is an expression of the will to power, simply expressed in a very different way: the underlying motivation may be the will to power, but those on the surface, the conscious motives, are very different and vary massively between people, which is why i deem them important in relation to this discussion.

[Dresta]

Low or zero-interest federal loans for home mortgages and secondary education must be made widely available. This will immediately reduce the burden of usury from American families without crashing the housing market or University system.

Protecting Civil Rights and Waging Peace
Wall Street wrecked the American economy. Now they're turning our military into the policemen of the world, and our own police against the American people. It doesn't have to be this way.

I WILL BE A LEADING VOICE FOR:

Just to take one small section of this romantically idealised claptrap for one second (it's too stupid to be worth going over properly).

Cheap credit is what caused the housing crisis in the first place :facepalm. You think this problem can be solved by what, providing more cheap credit? You think government loan programs can't go bust? The housing market is already inflated, and this would simply expand the bubble further. Same with the University system, which is massively overpriced due to the easy availability of Federally subsidised loans. These are already huge problems; what you are proposing would make them far worse.

Yes, Wall Street is responsible for what's happening in Syria, Iraq etc. :hammerhead: I think you'll also find that it was FDR who turned the US into the policemen of the world, and that was a long time ago. It's amazing how you can actually find a way of blaming every single problem and every thing you don't like, squarely on Wall St.