Where would Tim Duncan rank all time with 6 rings?

[Cocaine80s]

Shit imagine if the Ray Allen 3 didnt happen, he would be chasing # 7 this year :biggums:

[navy]

Hmm....Tony Parker would have won the FMVP for the way he "closed" out the Game, Duncan would be the same probably.

[Lord Bean]

he would still be higher than lebron ,lower than shaq

better question if lebron did not choke 2007 2010 2011 and 2014 would be top 25 ?

[Real14]

he would still be higher than lebron ,lower than shaq

better question if lebron did not choke 2007 2010 2011 and 2014 would be top 25 ?
You forgot about 2009.

[aj1987]

he would still be higher than lebron ,lower than shaq

better question if lebron did not choke 2007 2010 2011 and 2014 would be top 25 ?
Yeah. About 10 spots above Kobe.

[Lord Bean]

You forgot about 2009.
thanks man my mistake ,that year as well

[Lord Bean]

Yeah. About 10 spots above Kobe.
thank you for aknowloedging that lebron choked all those years and is not top 25 :cheers:

[aj1987]

thank you for aknowloedging that lebron choked all those years and is not top 25 :cheers:
Sure. Still 10 spots above Kobe though. :cheers:

[Lord Bean]

Sure. Still 10 spots above Kobe though. :cheers:
this does not bother me i am shaq fan :oldlol:

you seem to be very angry with how i caught you in your words


next time you will think twice before challenging me

[Mr. Jabbar]

they are adam morrison kind of rings right now, his all-time rank doesnt change; below kobe, miles above bran

[aj1987]

this does not bother me i am shaq fan :oldlol:

you seem to be very angry with how i caught you in your words


next time you will think twice before challenging me
Why would I be mad?

[Lord Bean]

Why would I be mad?
because you just admitted lebron is not top 25 and that is not what you wanted

i win

any response is just icing on cake .give me victory aj

[thefatmiral]

solid five spot. probably would have got fmvp. but I think its still taken into consideration. a lot of legitimate list have him top 5-7

[aj1987]

because you just admitted lebron is not top 25 and that is not what you wanted

i win

any response is just icing on cake .give me victory aj
:oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

because you just admitted lebron is not top 25 and that is not what you wanted

i win

any response is just icing on cake .give me victory aj

you are right. i followed the conv you guys had in this thread and you win. 10 victory points for you and loser aj1987 has to watch 1 hr footage of lebron in the clutch as punishment

[Real14]

you are right. i followed the conv you guys had in this thread and you win. 10 victory points for you and loser aj1987 has to watch 1 hr footage of lebron in the clutch as punishment
Damn that's severe:oldlol:

[rmt]

Hmm....Tony Parker would have won the FMVP for the way he "closed" out the Game, Duncan would be the same probably.

Duncan would definitely have been FMVP if Spurs won in 2013:

13 Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts / 12.1 rebs / 1.4 asst / 1.4 blk 49%
Parker 15.7 pts / 6.4 asst 41.2%

With 6 rings, 4 FMVPs and 2 MVPs, possible case for 4-5 - would pass Bird, Shaq, Wilt. IMO, only MJ, KAJ, Russell definitely ahead and maybe Magic.

[Real14]

solid five spot. probably would have got fmvp. but I think its still taken into consideration. a lot of legitimate list have him top 5-7
:roll:

[aj1987]

you are right. i followed the conv you guys had in this thread and you win. 10 victory points for you and loser aj1987 has to watch 1 hr footage of lebron in the clutch as punishment
But there's only like 5 minutes of footage of LeBron in the clutch doe.

[navy]

Duncan would definitely have been FMVP if Spurs won in 2013:

13 Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts / 12.1 rebs / 1.4 asst / 1.4 blk 49%
Parker 15.7 pts / 6.4 asst 41.2%

With 6 rings, 4 FMVPs and 2 MVPs, possible case for 4-5 - would pass Bird, Shaq, Wilt. IMO, only MJ, KAJ, Russell definitely ahead and maybe Magic.
You are considering game 6 and 7....

Game 6 Parker despite sucking "closed" out the Game.
Game 7 he was terrible. Both games Duncan was great in, but washed away if Ray had not hit that 3.

[rmt]

they are adam morrison kind of rings right now, his all-time rank doesnt change; below kobe, miles above bran

See above for 2013 Finals. As far as this past Finals is concerned, if Duncan was a role player, they were all role players. I saw him as 2nd most important (to Leonard). Remember defense is half of the game.

[Mr. Jabbar]

But there's only like 5 minutes of footage of LeBron in the clutch doe.

true

[Mr. Jabbar]

See above for 2013 Finals. As far as this past Finals is concerned, if Duncan was a role player, they were all role players. I saw him as 2nd most important (to Leonard). Remember defense is half of the game.

im exagerating, but point still is his all time ranking doesnt move that much in this team and his role will only diminish

[guy]

Duncan would definitely have been FMVP if Spurs won in 2013:

13 Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts / 12.1 rebs / 1.4 asst / 1.4 blk 49%
Parker 15.7 pts / 6.4 asst 41.2%

With 6 rings, 4 FMVPs and 2 MVPs, possible case for 4-5 - would pass Bird, Shaq, Wilt. IMO, only MJ, KAJ, Russell definitely ahead and maybe Magic.

Not to mention that game 6 he was having was the best performance from any Spur during that series. He had almost 30 points by halftime.

[rmt]

You are considering game 6 and 7....

Game 6 Parker despite sucking "closed" out the Game.
Game 7 he was terrible. Both games Duncan was great in, but washed away if Ray had not hit that 3.

So you think that because Parker "closed" out the game, his 19 pts / 8 asst would get him FMVP over Duncan's 30 pts / 17 rebs in game 6?

[GrapeApe]

Obviously winning a ring now wouldn't carry the same weight as when he was a dominant player, but if he's a solid contributor on a championship team I see no reason for it not to enhance his legacy.

[tpols]

Duncan would definitely have been FMVP if Spurs won in 2013:

13 Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts / 12.1 rebs / 1.4 asst / 1.4 blk 49%
Parker 15.7 pts / 6.4 asst 41.2%


Are these the 7 game series numbers? Because parker was so exhausted in that OT and game 7 that all his numbers suffered.

If the spurs had won.. it wouldve been in regulation game 6.. and tony parker closed out game 1 and game 6 almost single handedly against a top 5 goat in lebron.. with unbelieveable shot/plays.

If the spurs had won it in those last seconds of game 6.. theres no question parker wouldve gotten FMVP for his storyline performances closing the heat out.

[navy]

So you think that because Parker "closed" out the game, his 19 pts / 8 asst would get him FMVP over Duncan's 30 pts / 17 rebs in game 6?
Yes. Especially since Game 7 didnt happen. He also had the Game winner in Game 1.

Not trying to imply anything about Duncan or Parker, just the way it would have turned out. :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

Not to mention that game 6 he was having was the best performance from any Spur during that series. He had almost 30 points by halftime.

and putting up a donut in the second half..

[JT123]

Same place he is now. Duncan is no more important to the Spurs than Norris Cole was to the Heat in their back to back titles. In fact I'm pretty sure that if he had been forced to sit out this past Finals due to injury, the Spurs still would have easily won. Is there ANY Spurs fan that disagrees with me? :confusedshrug:

[SuperPippen]

He's already one of the five greatest to ever do it. Add another ring without much of a decrease in production.... and a case can be made for him being greater than Wilt, and perhaps even Russell or Kareem.

[rmt]

Are these the 7 game series numbers? Because parker was so exhausted in that OT and game 7 that all his numbers suffered.

If the spurs had won.. it wouldve been in regulation game 6.. and tony parker closed out game 1 and game 6 almost single handedly against a top 5 goat in lebron.. with unbelieveable shot/plays.

If the spurs had won it in those last seconds of game 6.. theres no question parker wouldve gotten FMVP for his storyline performances closing the heat out.

Those are numbers for the entire Finals. I don't buy the Parker was so exhausted excuse because 37 year old Duncan played 2 more minutes in game 6 and 7 more minutes in game 7 than 31 year old Parker.

game 6
Duncan 44:26
Parker 42:39

game 7
Duncan 43:10
Parker 36:33

It is unbelievable to me that anyone would give Parker FMVP with a 17 pt / 8 asst line with Duncan going 30 pts / 17 rebs in game 6. IMO, some put too much stock in "closing" ignoring the whole rest of the game.

Finals (not including game 7) averages:
Duncan 18 pts / 12.1 reb 49%FG
Parker 16.65 pts / 6.8 asst 41%FG

2013 Finals
Duncan 55.4TS% 112 ORtg 105 DRtg
Parker 47.2TS% 103 ORtg 113 DRtg

Surely you jest about Lebron being top 5 GOAT?

[rmt]

Same place he is now. Duncan is no more important to the Spurs than Norris Cole was to the Heat in their back to back titles. In fact I'm pretty sure that if he had been forced to sit out this past Finals due to injury, the Spurs still would have easily won. Is there ANY Spurs fan that disagrees with me? :confusedshrug:

I strongly disagree. Duncan was the second (to Leonard) most important Spur player in the 2014 Finals. I suggest you go back and look at how well he defended the paint and in particular, every time Lebron went near the paint, he's shadowed by Leonard and surrounded by TD. In addition, listen to Lebron and Spo's interviews about Spurs' defense.


and putting up a donut in the second half..

Maybe you'd be tired too after playing 44:26 if you were that old. Seriously, I can't believe people can knock a 30 pt / 17 rebs game by a 37 year old especially compared to Parker and their relative importance to defense.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I strongly disagree. Duncan was the second (to Leonard) most important Spur player in the 2014 Finals. I suggest you go back and look at how well he defended the paint and in particular, every time Lebron went near the paint, he's shadowed by Leonard and surrounded by TD. In addition, listen to Lebron and Spo's interviews about Spurs' defense.
:wtf: You bit on that obvious troll post that compared Tim Duncan to Norris Cole? :biggums:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Since '90, for me:

1) Jordan
2) LeBron
3) Shaq
4) Kobe
5) Hakeem
6) Duncan
7) KG
8) Barkley
9) Malone
X) Wade
Pretty damn accurate :applause: Finally a poster who actually ranks based on the individual, and not purely based on team accomplishments.

[tpols]

rmt.. it is what it is.. Theres no doubt that parker was the FMVP if he had closed out the Heat in 6.

He closed out game 1.. he closed out game 6 and was a better scorer/closer than duncan was by far. I dont think he established impact like duncan did through 7. But through 6? what he did to close? Yea he wouldve won it. Youre in denial. Theres no chance. He bombed 3s and long 2s for the win.. while duncan was putting up a fat zero to close.. and in game 7 missing a layup to tie w/ a minute left. Dont compare the clutch.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Pretty damn accurate :applause: Finally a poster who actually ranks based on the individual, and not purely based on team accomplishments.
Thanks, bud. Let me edit it up a little ...

Since '90, for me:

1) Jordan - 6 rings, 5 MVPs, 6 Fmvps
2) LeBron - 2 rings, 4 MVPs, 2 Fmvps
3) Shaq - 4 rings, MVP, 3 Fmvps

4 or 5)
Duncan - 5 rings, 2 MVPs, 3 Fmvps
Kobe - 5 rings, MVP, 2 Fmvps

6) Hakeem - 2 rings, MVP, 2 Fmvps
7) KG
8) Barkley
9) Malone
X) Wade

[rmt]

:wtf: You bit on that obvious troll post that compared Tim Duncan to Norris Cole? :biggums:

Don't know what to believe these days - there some crazy fans out there.

tpols must be trolling too with the Lebron top 5 GOAT.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Thanks, bud. Let me edit it up a little ...

Since '90, for me:

1) Jordan - 6 rings, 5 MVPs, 6 Fmvps
2) LeBron - 2 rings, 4 MVPs, 2 Fmvps
3) Shaq - 4 rings, MVP, 3 Fmvps

4 or 5)
Duncan - 5 rings, 2 MVPs, 3 Fmvps
Kobe - 5 rings, MVP, 2 Fmvps

6) Hakeem - 2 rings, MVP, 2 Fmvps
7) KG
8) Barkley
9) Malone
X) Wade
Don't forget Wade - 3 rings, 1 FMVP

[SamuraiSWISH]

Don't forget Wade - 3 rings, 1 FMVP
Didn't forget, only he could be potentially knocked out of my top ten by Durant.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Didn't forget, only he could be potentially knocked out of my top ten by Durant.
I think Durant could easily knock out the last 4 on your list with a couple rings, unless Westbrook out-alphas him

[rmt]

rmt.. it is what it is.. Theres no doubt that parker was the FMVP if he had closed out the Heat in 6.

He closed out game 1.. he closed out game 6 and was a better scorer/closer than duncan was by far. I dont think he established impact like duncan did through 7. But through 6? what he did to close? Yea he wouldve won it. Youre in denial. Theres no chance. He bombed 3s and long 2s for the win.. while duncan was putting up a fat zero to close.. and in game 7 missing a layup to tie w/ a minute left. Dont compare the clutch.

Let's just agree to disagree. It's funny you're so stuck on clutch when in the ULTIMATE game 7, Parker puts up 10 pts / 4 asst on 25%FG. But you slam Duncan for a 24/12 game because he misses a bunny at the end (43:10). All that while ignoring the defensive side of the court.

[Cold soul]

He's already one of the five greatest to ever do it. Add another ring without much of a decrease in production.... and a case can be made for him being greater than Wilt, and perhaps even Russell or Kareem.

I'm not so sure about that is debatable. I mean most list don't have Duncan top 5 that I have seen you might be overrating him a little here.

[tpols]

Let's just agree to disagree. It's funny you're so stuck on clutch when in the ULTIMATE game 7, Parker puts up 10 pts / 4 asst on 25%FG. But you slam Duncan for a 24/12 game because he misses a bunny at the end (43:10). All that while ignoring the defensive side of the court.

If the spurs wouldve won in 7.. duncan deserved it. Problem is the spurs best chance of winning was in game 6.. up 5 30 seconds left. Given their most likely championship scenario.. parker has 2 FMVPs..

[rmt]

If the spurs wouldve won in 7.. duncan deserved it. Problem is the spurs best chance of winning was in game 6.. up 5 30 seconds left. Given their most likely championship scenario.. parker has 2 FMVPs..

And what about defense - you know, half of the game? Surely, you aren't suggesting that Parker's defense is anywhere near as important as Duncan's.

[NZStreetBaller]

he'd be on parr with rob horry !!! champion role player!!!

[T_L_P]

he'd be on parr with rob horry !!! champion role player!!!

What role player averages 18/12 in the Finals...at 36 years old no less? :facepalm

[NZStreetBaller]

What role player averages 18/12 in the Finals...at 36 years old no less? :facepalm

dont take me so seriously dude..... lol mind you timmy may have more FMVPs but horry still will have 7.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Those rings dont hold much weight. He'll still go down as the second greatest player of this past generation and top 10 alltime.

[Cold soul]

Those rings dont hold much weight. He'll still go down as the second greatest player of this past generation and top 10 alltime.

Do you have updated top 10 list, man? I haven't seen you around as much as before, how come?

[T_L_P]

To answer the OP: he wouldn't/wouldn't have moved up my all time list.

I personally have him 5th behibd Jordan, Kareem, Russell and Magic. Maybe if he won Finals MVP in 2013 he would have topped Magic, but probably not.

[ninephive]

Hmm....Tony Parker would have won the FMVP for the way he "closed" out the Game, Duncan would be the same probably.
I completely agree with this, but Duncan had a great series as well. If Parker does win the MVP, he's only edging Duncan out, so Duncan's legacy still takes a major boost. But I have him at #5 and I'm not sure if it pushes him up to #4 or 3...it's close.

[ninephive]

Duncan would definitely have been FMVP if Spurs won in 2013:

13 Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts / 12.1 rebs / 1.4 asst / 1.4 blk 49%
Parker 15.7 pts / 6.4 asst 41.2%

With 6 rings, 4 FMVPs and 2 MVPs, possible case for 4-5 - would pass Bird, Shaq, Wilt. IMO, only MJ, KAJ, Russell definitely ahead and maybe Magic.
The theoretical is if they would have won in game 6...you're posting the stats if they would have won in Game 7. Add in the G1 closer and G6 monster sequence and Parker edges Duncan if they win in 6 IMO (along with Parker being the better player the whole season and throughout the playoffs)...but if they win in 7, I give it to Duncan.

[Psileas]

Nowhere higher than now (somewhere in top 6-9). The idea that Duncan (or anyone) would have been ranked higher than he is by having done literally nothing more than he has never appealed to me.

[T_L_P]

Nowhere higher than now (somewhere in top 6-9). The idea that Duncan (or anyone) would have been ranked higher than he is by having done literally nothing more than he has never appealed to me.

I'm having a hard time figuring out your last sentence.

Are you basically saying you don't think players should move up based on achievements they gather past their prime? If so, I agree (team achievements, that is).

[HOoopCityJones]

Holy shit is that Deuce I see?

[ninephive]

And what about defense - you know, half of the game? Surely, you aren't suggesting that Parker's defense is anywhere near as important as Duncan's.
Defense:

Chalmers: 10.6/2.1 on .388
Cole: 3.0/2.4 on .273

Bosh: 11.9/8.9 on .462
Anderson: 4.4/3.0 on .727

If Parker didn't defend his guys, then what does that say about Duncan's?!

[Demitri98]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Duncan
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem

[c5terror]

Defense:

Chalmers: 10.6/2.1 on .388
Cole: 3.0/2.4 on .273

Bosh: 11.9/8.9 on .462
Anderson: 4.4/3.0 on .727

If Parker didn't defend his guys, then what does that say about Duncan's?!
Are you actually saying that Duncan<Parker on Defense?

[ninephive]

Same place he is now. Duncan is no more important to the Spurs than Norris Cole was to the Heat in their back to back titles. In fact I'm pretty sure that if he had been forced to sit out this past Finals due to injury, the Spurs still would have easily won. Is there ANY Spurs fan that disagrees with me? :confusedshrug:

This has to be one of the worst posts I've ever seen.

Yes, I completely disagree. As do almost all Spurs fans I know. You're comparing a 15.4/10.0 guy (Duncan) on a team whose best player (Leonard) went for 17.8/6.4 to a guy (Cole) who went 3.2/1.8 on a team whose best player (Lebron) went for 28.2/7.8/4.0.

Let's think for a minute who had more of an impact for their team...

I certainly don't think the Spurs still "easily win" without one of their top 2/3 guys.

[ninephive]

Are you actually saying that Duncan<Parker on Defense?
I'm just posting the stats to show that Parker's defense is underrated. The steal that he had at the end of Game 6 to pretty much seal it (like Jordan had on Malone in G6) shows that Parker plays great defense in big moments (just like he played great defense against Rip's last shot in 2005 Finals G5 OT). He even guarded BOTH Lebron's missed 3 AND Allen's corner 3 on different sides of the court ON THE SAME PLAY because he has great defensive awareness. He never commits stupid fouls (like Ginobili on Dirk 2006 G7) either.

Overall, no, Parker is not a better defender than Duncan...HE'S A POINT GUARD. In the last 25+ years, there has been ONE guard win defensive player of the year and 23 PF/C. It's not a comparable position. My point is, PARKER DOES HIS JOB and in this particular case, he locked down his men better than Duncan did his.

[Psileas]

I'm having a hard time figuring out your last sentence.

Are you basically saying you don't think players should move up based on achievements they gather past their prime? If so, I agree (team achievements, that is).

Although I kind of agree, what I mean here is: Duncan is ranked by some at X position because Ray Allen made that 3, but he would have been ranked higher had Ray Allen missed that shot and the Spurs had won that title. Meaning that Duncan would have been ranked higher while having done nothing more or less than what he actually did. Well, I disagree: For me, the Spurs as a team would be ranked higher than the Heat, Ray Allen's legacy would be a little bit smaller, but Duncan's one would remain unchanged, since he had no say on that play as long as he missed the defensive rebound. People who would rank him higher are the ones who pay too much attention on rings and accolades, but in thin cases like this, these raw numbers hinder lots of other stuff. After all, the Finals MVP is almost universally given to a player of the winning team, regardless of whether he was really the best player of both teams (see: 1974, 1981, 1989, 2004, 2014).
Now, if Duncan had played a little better overall and led the Spurs to the title, this would have rightfully boosted his image a bit more.

[T_L_P]

Although I kind of agree, what I mean here is: Duncan is ranked by some at X position because Ray Allen made that 3, but he would have been ranked higher had Ray Allen missed that shot and the Spurs had won that title. Meaning that Duncan would have been ranked higher while having done nothing more or less than what he actually did. Well, I disagree: For me, the Spurs as a team would be ranked higher than the Heat, Ray Allen's legacy would be a little bit smaller, but Duncan's one would remain unchanged, since he had no say on that play as long as he missed the defensive rebound. People who would rank him higher are the ones who pay too much attention on rings and accolades, but in thin cases like this, these raw numbers hinder lots of other stuff. After all, the Finals MVP is almost universally given to a player of the winning team, regardless of whether he was really the best player of both teams (see: 1974, 1981, 1989, 2004, 2014).
Now, if Duncan had played a little better overall and led the Spurs to the title, this would have rightfully boosted his image a bit more.

Got it. 100% agree. 2013 and 2014 boosted Duncan's legacy because it improved his overall longevity by a lot. 2013 and 2014 are very rare seasons for a player Duncan's age, especially 2013; he was my choice for DPOY and he made the First Team. If he continued to play like 2010-11 for the past two years his legacy wouldn't be the same.

[Demitri98]

Quite honestly if Bron had averaged something like 37/12/11 on >55% FG and >40% 3PT and took the Spurs to game 6 or 7 while keeping games close and hitting clutch shot after clutch shot and lost in the final moments, I could've seen him winning FMVP.

[SCdac]

Duncan lead the Spurs in minutes played last season (RS and Playoffs) :applause:

How many 37/38 year olds have done that? let alone in a championship season

Broke the record for total career blocks in the postseason (500+ blocks).

Groundhog Day :bowdown:

[ArbitraryWater]

Wouldn't change a lick

[aj1987]

He's already one of the five greatest to ever do it. Add another ring without much of a decrease in production.... and a case can be made for him being greater than Wilt, and perhaps even Russell or Kareem.
:facepalm

The overrating of Duncan continues. I'm a HUGE Duncan fan, but top 5 and top 3? :oldlol:

[Stringer Bell]

Hmm....Tony Parker would have won the FMVP for the way he "closed" out the Game, Duncan would be the same probably.

I think Duncan would have won. Parker made 2 big shots late in regulation, but he had been having a lousy game before that. Duncan had been huge in that game with 30 & 17, and played better than Parker throughout the series as well.

[Stringer Bell]

It would help a bit but not something that would totally skyrocket him.

All the talk about him being a "role player" is rather ridiculous. A role player who is the most important player on the team. Unlike some of the earlier Spurs title teams (like 2003), and many other championship teams, the Spurs are now pretty deep in talent and solid all-around. No one player truly leads and is easily the best player on the team, like MJ on the Bulls, Hakeem on the Rockets, Duncan on earlier title teams, Wade on the 06' Heat, Lebron on the 12-13' Heat, etc...

It's a more balanced approach, like the 04' Pistons.

Even though he's not the player he used to be, nothing close to his peak, Duncan was still the most important and productive Spur (along with Parker) in both the regular season and postseason.

He can't dominate like he did before, like the Spurs 03' title team, so the Spurs are far less reliant on him, and less reliant on one player than most championship teams and contenders.

[T_L_P]

:facepalm

The overrating of Duncan continues. I'm a HUGE Duncan fan, but top 5 and top 3? :oldlol:

How is top 5 laughable? Statistically he's a top 10 all time player (PER and WS/48 agrees), and the only players more accomplished than him are Jordan, Kareem, Russell and Magic. His intangibles are second only to Russell, as is his leadership. Defensively he's only behind Russell and Hakeem, maybe Wilt too. Only behind Kareem in longevity. Arguably a top 5 peak (most Win Shares ever in a postseason, didn't have an All-NBA teammate for any of his first 4 rings, when no-one else has done it more than once). :confusedshrug:

Not having him in your top 5 is fine but he most certainly has a case. He has the perfect mixture of on-floor impact and achievements.

[T_L_P]

It would help a bit but not something that would totally skyrocket him.

All the talk about him being a "role player" is rather ridiculous. A role player who is the most important player on the team. Unlike some of the earlier Spurs title teams (like 2003), and many other championship teams, the Spurs are now pretty deep in talent and solid all-around. No one player truly leads and is easily the best player on the team, like MJ on the Bulls, Hakeem on the Rockets, Duncan on earlier title teams, Wade on the 06' Heat, Lebron on the 12-13' Heat, etc...

It's a more balanced approach, like the 04' Pistons.

Even though he's not the player he used to be, nothing close to his peak, Duncan was still the most important and productive Spur (along with Parker) in both the regular season and postseason.

He can't dominate like he did before, like the Spurs 03' title team, so the Spurs are far less reliant on him, and less reliant on one player than most championship teams and contenders.


People really don't know how to put things in perspective.

He was arguably the best players on a Finals team and a championship team, at 36-38. What did Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Robinson, etc do at that age?

[mehyaM24]

probably top 10. i dont place system players into my top 5.

without pop, duncan shamed the league and america in athens (this after winning the NBA league MVP) - single highhandedly choking the gold medal away.

in international play, duncan's slow as molasses self = just another center. seriously. watch the last 2-3 international games the spurs have hosted. he looks totally clueless out there.

terrible international play , lack of success without pop , being the second most important spurs player for half a decade - maybe in my top 10.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Do you have updated top 10 list, man? I haven't seen you around as much as before, how come?
Nah, it was the offseason man.

[J Shuttlesworth]

What role player averages 18/12 in the Finals...at 36 years old no less? :facepalm
Gasol? Not 36 years old tho

[T_L_P]

probably top 10. i dont place system players into my top 5.

without pop, duncan shamed the league and america in athens (this after winning the NBA league MVP) - single highhandedly choking the gold medal away.

in international play, duncan's slow as molasses self = just another center. seriously. watch the last 2-3 international games the spurs have hosted. he looks totally clueless out there.

terrible international play , lack of success without pop , being the second most important spurs player for half a decade - maybe in my top 10.

Not interested in replying to the bulk of your post because it's unfounded hate, but Duncan looked anything less than clueless against the Turkish team, and he dominated the McDonald's international championship.

Also, are you forgetting that Pop was part of the staff in 04 too?

[T_L_P]

Gasol? Not 36 years old tho

Gasol was a role player?