"Pentagon Warns of IMMEDIATE National Security Threats from Climate Change"

[RidonKs]

"Pentagon Warns of IMMEDIATE National Security Threats from Climate Change" (https://news.vice.com/article/pentagon-warns-of-immediate-national-security-threats-from-climate-change)

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i remember seeing reports like this coming out of the defense department in years past and the article makes a vague reference to them.

i havent read the study (though if anybody is interested you can find it here (http://www.acq.osd.mil/ie/download/CCARprint.pdf)) but according to vices interpretation, the key difference in this latest report is its use of the word IMMEDIATE... hence the allcaps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewc1hixzYPY)

nasa has recorded the month of september 2014 as the hottest on record. i live on the eastern seaboard and im seeing it firsthand. its the third week of october and im seeing temperatures above 25 degrees. but anecdotal evidence aside, clearly we are in the midst of something incredibly serious. that remains the case even if you reject its anthropogenic roots.



there has not been a thread on climate change for quite some time. im curious what our more seasoned experts think about whats currently happening to the planet and more specifically, how the international community has responded in recent months/years. the next international summit is in paris next year. expect a great deal of alarmist rhetoric from both sides of the equation; as well as little to no agreements with any mechanisms for enforcement.

but should that sorry expectation be realized, you can also expect many more protests across the globe, in even larger numbers than the hundreds of thousands who paraded through NYC just a month ago.

[bagelred]

Pentagon has declared Mother Nature a terrorist, and we should increase Military Spending another $1 trillion a year to deal with her....

We need to bomb the shit out of her....

[theballerFKA Ace]

Just an excuse for the Defense Department to recoup some of the dwindling power and funds it has suffered over the years. :no:

[DeuceWallaces]

Good, more money for me.

[Shade8780]

September was hot af. I was really surprised, actually looking forward to the cold weather, and it looks like it's here already basing on this last week or so.

[Nanners]

I have pretty much given up all hope that humanity will ever do anything meaningful to curb climate change.

Stopping climate change is nearly impossible for a variety of reasons, we are far better off using our time to figure out how to live with climate change.

[~primetime~]

I have pretty much given up all hope that humanity will ever do anything meaningful to curb climate change.

Stopping climate change is nearly impossible for a variety of reasons, we are far better off using our time to figure out how to live with climate change.
We?

It's raised 1 degree in my lifetime.

I'll let my great great grandkids figure this one out... They'll have better tech

[~primetime~]

Also we're seeing the opposite in Texas, just had one of the coldest summers ever.

It's more like global cooling down here...

[shaq2000]

I, for one, am very tired of this socal drought. Government, please bring back the rain. Thank you.

[Nanners]

Also we're seeing the opposite in Texas, just had one of the coldest summers ever.

It's more like global cooling down here...

lol no its not "like global cooling down there"

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?TX

[~primetime~]

lol no its not "like global cooling down there"

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?TX
That's drought, which is common in Texas

I said it's been "cold" this summer, not dry/wet

[~primetime~]

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-forecast/polar-invasion-july-record-cold-temperatures-20140716

^^^Coldest July Days Ever Recorded in America

Been a cold summer for all the US it seems

[~primetime~]

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-forecast/fall-first-cold-frost-20140904
Fall Chill Brings First Frost, Freeze and Record Cold Temperatures

^^^ this september


Been abnormally cold this summer

I know it's just the US and not everywhere, but like I said feels like global cooling here

[Smoke117]

We?

It's raised 1 degree in my lifetime.

I'll let my great great grandkids figure this one out... They'll have better tech

That's why I don't care...I'll be dead before it matters. Not my problem.

[DeuceWallaces]

It's your problem now and costs tax payers incredible sums.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Does primetime still believe climate change is only global warming?

[DeuceWallaces]

Does primetime still believe climate change is only global warming?

PT believes the first 5 things that comes up in his Google search. No more, no less.

[~primetime~]

Does primetime still believe climate change is only global warming?
OP talking about how hot things are getting...I said it's been colder as of late here

[MadeFromDust]

The Pentagon? You're talking about the Pentagon? lmao :roll:

[RidonKs]

OP talking about how hot things are getting...I said it's been colder as of late here
that's fair. i brought up my own anecdotal experience and you're welcome to do the same. though for the record, as i noted in the op, nasa did record this past year as its hottest on record and this past september as its hottest month on record. that's in the last 160 odd years iirc.

[RidonKs]

The Pentagon? You're talking about the Pentagon? lmao :roll:
i don't think you understand why the perspective i'm espousing would be particularly interested in climate change alarmism coming out of the pentagon. the source is crucial here but unlikely for the reasons you think.

[~primetime~]

that's fair. i brought up my own anecdotal experience and you're welcome to do the same. though for the record, as i noted in the op, nasa did record this past year as its hottest on record and this past september as its hottest month on record. that's in the last 160 odd years iirc.
Yes I made sure to say that I understand this unusually cold summer was just the US. Russia has been the opposite.

[RidonKs]

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[Droid101]

Yes I made sure to say that I understand this unusually cold summer was just the US. Russia has been the opposite.
Uh... hottest summer in a very long time in California.

Worldwide, hottest month ever.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's cold in California. Said no Juan ever.

[GimmeThat]

but people are going to think we are crazy for starting to build an ark.


what to do?!?!?!?

[sundizz]

Let's be cereal - this is not the responsibility of normal people. What are we going to do - stop driving to work in our cars? Stop washing clothes? Yeah, there are small tiny things we can do. However, that ish is pointless. It's working hard not smart. Something for the moral police to talk about.

In the next 20 years the constant focus on all this stuff IS making almost everything more economical. In 20 years none of these gas guzzling cars we have now will be on the road. They'll be significantly cleaner running cars. We may even have energy producing roads put in some high traffic density areas. We may have self powering building (word to Stark Tower).

More importantly, I think we will continue to develop technologies to combat this (if there is even an it). The part that is completely bogus about all of this is that we as humans (scientists) know soooooooo little about the ocean still. The ocean is basically what controls everything. This climate change stuff is all bogus because we don't have the requisite knowledge of the ocean and deep ocean we need to accurately predict anything. We know less about it than the Titanic captain did about icebergs.

[RidonKs]

What are we going to do - stop driving to work in our cars?
if enough people had of spent enough of their energy pushing their elected officials for inner city subway systems and high speed rail around the country instead of the interstate highway system, not only would we already have a leg up on climate change right now but we also probably would have saved a ton of money/resources/efficiencies.

of course it makes little sense to use the hindsight of pending environmental catastrophe to blame generations past. that doesn't mean what i wrote above is untrue however.

unfortunately electric cars appear to be closer to our solution to the energy/climate dual crises than public transportation is. which is a damn shame.

all of the above is also a keen illustration of the occasional (bordering on frequent) inadequacy of the market which by its very nature vetoes any idea that requires voluntary collective action... not like as a rationally self interested individual consumer i can just walk into walmart and buy a subway system. you see what i mean.

[~primetime~]

if enough people had of spent enough of their energy pushing their elected officials for inner city subway systems and high speed rail around the country instead of the interstate highway system, not only would we already have a leg up on climate change right now but we also probably would have saved a ton of money/resources/efficiencies.

of course it makes little sense to use the hindsight of pending environmental catastrophe to blame generations past. that doesn't mean what i wrote above is untrue however.

unfortunately electric cars appear to be closer to our solution to the energy/climate dual crises than public transportation is. which is a damn shame.

all of the above is also a keen illustration of the occasional (bordering on frequent) inadequacy of the market which by its very nature vetoes any idea that requires voluntary collective action... not like as a rationally self interested individual consumer i can just walk into walmart and buy a subway system. you see what i mean.
Electric cars cause just as much damage as gasoline... Unless that electricity came from solar/wind.

It's the coal burning smoke stacks feeding us our electricity that make the largest footprint.

That and from what I understand - cows. So we all need to stop eating beef and convert to solar panels


Everyone overly focused on our cars...

[RidonKs]

Electric cars cause just as much damage as gasoline... Unless that electricity came from solar/wind.

It's the coal burning smoke stacks feeding us our electricity that make the largest footprint.

That and from what I understand - cows. So we all need to stop eating beef and convert to solar panels


Everyone overly focused on our cars...
according to the IPCC, as of 2004, transport (broadly defined) accounted for about 20% of all GHG emissions. that proportion has surely risen in the past 10 years. based on those numbers, given we are talking about a full fifth, i really don't think you CAN overly focus on vehicles. they are an extremely significant factor.

according to the Environmental Protection Agency, transportation as of 2012 accounted for 28% of GHG emissions, second only to electricity at 32%. industry (20%), agriculture (10%), and commercial/residential (infrastructure i presume) complete the pie.

here's the graph if you're interested

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/images/ghgemissions/sources-overview.png

you are right that electric cars have their own setbacks which we must work and innovate and strive to set right. you are right that more of our electricity comes from coal than any other source (though the proportion is still below 50%, thus not "most of our electricity". at the moment there are two coal power stations in my province that people are calling to be shut down... but that becomes trickier when during election season the only thing on anybody's mind is their power bill which has shot through the roof in recent years (again speaking strictly of my province).

[senelcoolidge]

Global warming, climate change (which is normal if you look at history) whatever it's called now, this is like a new cult religion. Some people become belligerent and go mad if you don't agree with their way of thinking on this topic. They foam at the mouth. I think we should take care of our environment. Not kill all wildlife and keep things clean. But I think some people take it too far.

[bagelred]

Electric cars cause just as much damage as gasoline... Unless that electricity came from solar/wind.



This is simply not true. Even if source of energy is not renewable, environmentally it's still better to use an electric car.

[RidonKs]

Global warming, climate change (which is normal if you look at history) whatever it's called now, this is like a new cult religion. Some people become belligerent and go mad if you don't agree with their way of thinking on this topic. They foam at the mouth. I think we should take care of our environment. Not kill all wildlife and keep things clean. But I think some people take it too far.
you should probably be more concerned about whether or not we are responding to the issue adequately right now, as opposed to whether or not some bunch of random other people you've never met are cult-foaming extremists or w/e.

nobody likes to talk about the left wing more than the right wing :lol

(that last sentence wasn't directed at you senelcoolidge, just a thought that popped into my head)

[NumberSix]

People seriously just need to get on board with nuclear energy.

[MadeFromDust]

We just need somebody to come up with a way to convert CO and CO2 to energy/power to move vehicles. Then it would counter all the other vehicles producing them. C'mon ISH scientists get yur asses in gear and get to work on that. And make sure supercars, hypercars, and extreme performance can still be achieved or I'll defund the whole project.