Denmark is providing amnesty for its Muslim fighters returning from Syria

[Raymone]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/denmark-tries-a-soft-handed-approach-to-returned-islamist-fighters/2014/10/19/3516e8f3-515e-4adc-a2cb-c0261dd7dd4a_story.html


In Denmark, not one returned fighter has been locked up. Instead, officials here are providing free psychological counseling while finding returnees jobs and spots in schools and universities.

http://i.imgur.com/xtsh66Jl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/xtsh66J.jpg)

[Nick Young]

lol:facepalm

[StephHamann]

http://im41.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/terrorist-laughing.jpg

[KingBeasley08]

Scandinavia gon Scandinavia :oldlol:

Gov is probably gonna pay all these people enough so that they have a house and other necessities and people will jack off to standard of livings of ppl that live in Denmark

[kNIOKAS]

I don't see why you need to lock up those that are coming back... :confusedshrug:

[code green]

I don't see why you need to lock up those that are coming back... :confusedshrug:


You really want a bunch of freshly Al Qaeda indoctrinated fighters flooding your country? **** 'em, let the drones have them.

[kNIOKAS]

You really want a bunch of freshly Al Qaeda indoctrinated fighters flooding your country? **** 'em, let the drones have them.
Why are they coming back though?


What about Al Qaeda there. I thought they're coming from ISIS?

[SCdac]

inb4 the armchair apologists living in surburbia. but but Islamic Jihad isn't that bad guys! All they wanted to do was wipe out a city and force islam on the people there! geezzz

[dude77]

lol there are absolutely no words for this .. none .. denmark deserves whatever it gets if anything happens as a result of this ..

the white man has turned into the biggest fkn emasculated p*ssy on this planet .. I'm fkn embarrassed

[code green]

Why are they coming back though?


What about Al Qaeda there. I thought they're coming from ISIS?

There's no difference between the two as far as I'm concerned.

And probably because the rest of the world is finally smart enough to realize what's really going on over there, and it's now a lost cause.

[Nick Young]

lol there are absolutely no words for this .. none .. denmark deserves whatever it gets if anything happens as a result of this ..

the white man has turned into the biggest fkn emasculated p*ssy on this planet .. I'm fkn embarrassed
They are trying extra hard to make up for the time a Dane drew a cartoon of Mohammad and muslims decided to burn down Danish embassies:facepalm

[kNIOKAS]

There's no difference between the two as far as I'm concerned.

And probably because the rest of the world is finally smart enough to realize what's really going on over there, and it's now a lost cause.
It seems that Al Qaeda is just some sort of name for whatever is bad. You think that works in your advantage?

Mind telling what is really going on there?

[LJJ]

I don't see why you need to lock up those that are coming back... :confusedshrug:

Because it's highly likely they raped and killed a bunch of innocent people in Syria and Iraq, at the very least have actively aided in the rape, torture and brutal murder of many innocent civilians and because they have fought for forces hostile to Denmark?

[dude77]

They are trying extra hard to make up for the time a Dane drew a cartoon of Mohammad and muslims decided to burn down Danish embassies:facepalm

utterly disgusted at this ..

the more I think about this, the more this ticks me off ..

these people were fighting for a group that is openly hostile and absolutely despise any and all western nations including denmark .. yet you take these people back into your house as if they've done nothing and offer them jobs and counseling .. what in the fk ? ..

only an emasculated white country would do such a thing .. can you imagine traitorous isis fighters who've abandonded them to 'fight for syria' 'coming back home' and asking to be let back into isis lol .. they would never even think of doing that because they know what's coming to them .. but these people go back to denmark, no fks given .. they know they're dealing with a bunch of women over there .. they know nothing will be done to them and the danes will gladly bend over for them .. and they gladly and openly accept being taken back .. the danes are a fkn disgrace

[ArbitraryWater]

I remember some peeps on here saying "America doesnt need to attack, how about words?" These people are not to be reasoned with... At least you could see SOME motive with Al-Qaida, these guys are just monsters going on kill sprees... Destroying towns and families....

And this is how you treat them? :facepalm

****ING *******

[NumberSix]

What would happen if some white Christian guys went to some African country to help slaughter gays, witches and whoever else? Would they let them back in without even a slap on the wrist?

[KingBeasley08]

The pussification of Western culture needs to stop. Europe is the one really feeling the brunt of this. What the hell is this shit? And of course some people in this thread are defending them

[kNIOKAS]

Because it's highly likely they raped and killed a bunch of innocent people in Syria and Iraq, at the very least have actively aided in the rape, torture and brutal murder of many innocent civilians and because they have fought for forces hostile to Denmark?
Do you know that? What weight does your "it's highly likely" have? What information do you have on the subject?

It seems to me that arguments are something-something-rape-muslim-fighters-torture BAD.

The pussification of Western culture needs to stop. Europe is the one really feeling the brunt of this. What the hell is this shit? And of course some people in this thread are defending them
Who is defending what?

I feel like this is the thread filled with undirected emotions. People came in whine about something they imagine and have their needs satisfied. Somebody wants to take a second and think why they have come back? Why Denmark is providing them with help and tries to reintegrate into the society?

[MadeFromDust]

So why are they returning any way is Obomber's campaign actually working or what?

[LJJ]

Do you know that? What weight does your "it's highly likely" have? What information do you have on the subject?

It seems to me that arguments are something-something-rape-muslim-fighters-torture BAD.


Exactly, seems like you just ridicule valid and factual arguments of anyone who doesn't agree with your naive world view.

And I'm not saying lock anyone away without proof. But again, we are talking about the policy towards returning fighters. We already know they were combatants (which is highly illegal in the first place). We know the forces they have fighted for are hostile towards our countries (makes it more illegal). We know the forces they are fighting for have a very high concentration of war crime, terrorism, jihadism and personal crime (all illegal). We have extensive proof for all of these things.

So what do you do when these people return to your country? At the very least you can try to screen and check if they did anything ilegal. At the very least you can prove they were part of a very criminal organisation if you know they are returning fighters. And you have a reasonable suspicion that these people have committed atrocities. So you should take that opportunity to interrogate them, play them out against each other, crack their mobile phones and comb every last word of all their private and social media communication accounts to see if there is anything incriminating and if you find anything incrimination it's time to lock someone away in a dark little box for a couple of decades for rehabilitation.

Denmark acts like these are guys suspected of robbing the ice cream store with wooden swords, rather than violent extremist insurgents who have gone to Syria with the intention to seriously murder some people.

[kNIOKAS]

Exactly, seems like you just ridicule valid and factual arguments of anyone who doesn't agree with your naive world view.
There were no arguments, just expressions of emotions. What makes you say my world view is naive?



And I'm not saying lock anyone away without proof. But again, we are talking about the policy towards returning fighters. We already know they were combatants (which is highly illegal in the first place). We know the forces they have fighted for are hostile towards our countries (makes it more illegal). We know the forces they are fighting for have a very high concentration of war crime, terrorism, jihadism and personal crime (all illegal). We have extensive proof for all of these things.
So you are not saying lock anyone away without proof, but you already know they were combatants? You know what they fought against? Where's your proof then?



So what do you do when these people return to your country? At the very least you can try to screen and check if they did anything ilegal. At the very least you can prove they were part of a very criminal organisation if you know they are returning fighters. And you have a reasonable suspicion that these people have committed atrocities. So you should take that opportunity to interrogate them, play them out against each other, crack their mobile phones and comb every last word of all their private and social media communication accounts to see if there is anything incriminating and if you find anything incrimination it's time to lock someone away in a dark little box for a couple of decades for rehabilitation.
I have no doubt this has been done extensively by Denmark. NSA also has them under surveillance like everybody else, but that's not the point.
Reading this paragraph it shows that you don't have the proof and you want to look for it. Why did you claim that you have the proof already in the first paragraph?

Denmark acts like these are guys suspected of robbing the ice cream store with wooden swords, rather than violent extremist insurgents who have gone to Syria with the intention to seriously murder some people.
Do you know what their intentions were? What makes you call extremist insurgents?

[LJJ]

There were no arguments, just expressions of emotions. What makes you say my world view is naive?


So you are not saying lock anyone away without proof, but you already know they were combatants? You know what they fought against? Where's your proof then?


I have no doubt this has been done extensively by Denmark. NSA also has them under surveillance like everybody else, but that's not the point.
Reading this paragraph it shows that you don't have the proof and you want to look for it. Why did you claim that you have the proof already in the first paragraph?

Do you know what their intentions were? What makes you call extremist insurgents?

It says right in the article in the OP that it's a jihadist fighter returning. The authorities know he's a jihadist, the community know he's a jihadist and he himself admits he's a jidahist. What is this "proof" you are talking about? It's an established fact.

[kNIOKAS]

It says right in the article in the OP that it's a jihadist fighter returning. The authorities know he's a jihadist, the community know he's a jihadist and he himself admits he's a jidahist. What is this "proof" you are talking about? It's an established fact.
Then why you insist on finding something incriminating about him?

[Dresta]

KnIoCKAS not making any sense again... what a surprise :facepalm. The boy is congenitally nonsensical.


lol there are absolutely no words for this .. none .. denmark deserves whatever it gets if anything happens as a result of this ..

the white man has turned into the biggest fkn emasculated p*ssy on this planet .. I'm fkn embarrassed
Pretty much. The insulated, protected, spoiled (and therefore cowardly) children of Europe continue to lie down and let their civilisation be corroded away from the inside. The real reason this isn't being tackled is because the citizenry is too damn cowardly, so they want to believe this can be tackled without any kind of cultural conflict, as if two mutually antagonistic cultures can melded together peacefully. Nietzsche said with the refinement of civilisation comes the refinement of fear: as civilisation becomes more advanced, its inhabitants are more cowardly, and more incapable of preserving their own civilisation from outside threats (he even said something like 'this refinement will reach a point where even the thought of causing disagreeable feelings in others will become something we are fearful of - and i think that's what you're seeing here.

You would've thought a country like Denmark, who had its embassies burnt, its laws attacked, and its citizens threatened and intimidated, simply because they allowed the publication of a cartoon the faithful didn't take too kindly too, would have ****ing learnt its lesson by now!

As soon as people go to these places, citizenship should be immediately renounced, and they should be barred from any possible return (also flagged internationally so no other country makes the mistake of taking them).

[kNIOKAS]

KnIoCKAS not making any sense again... what a surprise :facepalm. The boy is congenitally nonsensical.
What? Pointing out the contradiction is not making any sense? Well in a way, I guess, but do you know what are you talking about?



Pretty much. The insulated, protected, spoiled (and therefore cowardly) children of Europe continue to lie down and let their civilisation be corroded away from the inside.
You just calling 731 million people names. What is your argument that they deserve such names? Cowardly does not translate to none of what you mentioned, it means a different thing. Look it up.


The real reason this isn't being tackled is because the citizenry is too damn cowardly, so they want to believe this can be tackled without any kind of cultural conflict, as if two mutually antagonistic cultures can melded together peacefully.
What makes you think you know why "this isn't being tackled"? Just calling names again.


Nietzsche said with the refinement of civilisation comes the refinement of fear: as civilisation becomes more advanced, its inhabitants are more cowardly, and more incapable of preserving their own civilisation from outside threats (he even said something like 'this refinement will reach a point where even the thought of causing disagreeable feelings in others will become something we are fearful of - and i think that's what you're seeing here.
Ok because Nietzche said something along those lines and with an intepretation you can spin it in a way so you can call people names. Great.


You would've thought a country like Denmark, who had its embassies burnt, its laws attacked, and its citizens threatened and intimidated, simply because they allowed the publication of a cartoon the faithful didn't take too kindly too, would have ****ing learnt its lesson by now!
What was the lesson?


As soon as they go to these places, citizenship should be immediately renounced, and any who do attempt to come back, should be put in prisons for the rest of their lives.
That's a bit like... Values of ISIS, not of Denmark.

[Nick Young]

They're welcomed back in to Denmark, they will be free to fly around Europe bringing their lovely ISIS experiences to the youfs of UK, France, Holland and other countries.

Denmark is phucking up here with their namby pamby PC socialist ***** culture.

Danish kids thinking of joining ISIS will now just think "Oh well if I don't like it, I can just come back home and be treated to a free therapeutic rehab program payed for by Danish taxpayers."

[BigTicket]

The American approach of peace through bombings obviously hasn't worked, so I don't see what is wrong with trying something different.

[Nick Young]

The American approach of peace through bombings obviously hasn't worked, so I don't see what is wrong with trying something different.
Yes, it is better to treat people who defect to another nation to commit acts of terrorism and rape women and kids as if they did nothing wrong, as long as those acts took place in another country:bowdown:

[BigTicket]

Yes, it is better to treat people who defect to another nation to commit acts of terrorism and rape women and kids as if they did nothing wrong, as long as those acts took place in another country:bowdown:

Do you have any proof that these specific individuals commited terrorism and rape, or are you arguing that Denmark should just convict them of these crimes without any evidence ?

[D-FENS]

I don't see why you need to lock up those that are coming back... :confusedshrug:

Stupid-ass. They should all be gassed.

[Nick Young]

Do you have any proof that these specific individuals commited terrorism and rape, or are you arguing that Denmark should just convict them of these crimes without any evidence ?
What if there is evidence and Denmark still tries to rehabilitate them with zero punishment. Will you support this policy?:confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

What? Pointing out the contradiction is not making any sense? Well in a way, I guess, but do you know what are you talking about?


You just calling 731 million people names. What is your argument that they deserve such names? Cowardly does not translate to none of what you mentioned, it means a different thing. Look it up.

What makes you think you know why "this isn't being tackled"? Just calling names again.

Ok because Nietzche said something along those lines and with an intepretation you can spin it in a way so you can call people names. Great.

What was the lesson?

That's a bit like... Values of ISIS, not of Denmark.
I don't know why you bother having discussions about these subjects in a language you so clearly are not even close to fluent in. Learn the language first, then try and have precise discussions with people about topics that aren't simple.

Of course cowardly means a different thing (who said it didn't). I just said leading insulated, protected, secure and spoiled lives inevitably breeds cowardice. Children are so protected that they tend to grow into timorous and hedonistic adults - products of safety and docility.

Nietzsche's view on this matter has been vindicated by the progression of time. We live in a culture where people live in fear of offending others, which is what he predicted. It shows he understood human nature and how it reacts to shifts in civilisation incredibly well, but i wouldn't expect you to understand this, as it's something you don't understand at all.

No, it is the values of Denmark, not ISIS. In Europe we generally put those who engage in murder, massacre, rape and public executions in prison for a long time, not provide them with counselling services with the intention to reintegrate. If we were following the values of ISIS, every returning foreign fighter would be beheaded on film with a blunt knife, and then they all be paraded on CNN 24/7 news channel.

[BigTicket]

What if there is evidence and Denmark still tries to rehabilitate them with zero punishment. Will you support this policy?:confusedshrug:

Of course not. If there is evidence of crimes, then they should be convicted for those crimes.

[Trollsmasher]

****ing Dannish retards:facepalm

[kNIOKAS]

I don't know why you bother having discussions about these subjects in a language you so clearly are not even close to fluent in. Learn the language first, then try and have precise discussions with people about topics that aren't simple.
Why you keep simplifying them then? Making it somehow a trait of character (of a whole country)??



Of course cowardly means a different thing (who said it didn't). I just said leading insulated, protected, secure and spoiled lives inevitably breeds cowardice. Children are so protected that they tend to grow into timorous and hedonistic adults - products of safety and docility.
Cowardice is running away from the challenge. Now it was you who projected what a country like Denmark should do, what they shouldn't do, and then prescribed some trait to them to explain why they didn't act they way you wanted. That's incredibly inefficient and subjective. That means nothing, you're just being loud.


Nietzsche's view on this matter has been vindicated by the progression of time. We live in a culture where people live in fear of offending others, which is what he predicted. It shows he understood human nature and how it reacts to shifts in civilisation incredibly well, but i wouldn't expect you to understand this, as it's something you don't understand at all.

You don't know if people fear of offending others. You just explained the things you do not understand using your own mechanisms to make sense of the world.
The term of civilisation is also arbitrary and relative, unless you think otherwise.


No, it is the values of Denmark, not ISIS. In Europe we generally put those who engage in murder, massacre, rape and public executions in prison for a long time, not provide them with counselling services with the intention to reintegrate. If we were following the values of ISIS, every returning foreign fighter would be beheaded on film with a blunt knife, and then they all be paraded on CNN 24/7 news channel.
In Europe there's due process for sentencing somebody. Not that a raging lunatic would understand that...

[code green]

It seems that Al Qaeda is just some sort of name for whatever is bad. You think that works in your advantage?

Mind telling what is really going on there?
Christians are in fear basically every time they leave their homes or openly practice their religion in fear of ending up on a YouTube video getting their heads sawed off. Are you seriously asking me this?

[Dresta]

Why you keep simplifying them then? Making it somehow a trait of character (of a whole country)??


Cowardice is running away from the challenge. Now it was you who projected what a country like Denmark should do, what they shouldn't do, and then prescribed some trait to them to explain why they didn't act they way you wanted. That's incredibly inefficient and subjective. That means nothing, you're just being loud.


You don't know if people fear of offending others. You just explained the things you do not understand using your own mechanisms to make sense of the world.
The term of civilisation is also arbitrary and relative, unless you think otherwise.

In Europe there's due process for sentencing somebody. Not that a raging lunatic would understand that...Yes i do. I suggest you read Nick Cohen's book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can't_Read_this_Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can't_Read_this_Book)

Which details - quite extensively - the many incidents where publications have been pulled, books refused publication, art exhibits closed, and various other things, all due to this fear of causing 'offense' - to Muslims in particular. Christ, during the Danish cartoon affair not a single media outlet decided to show the cartoons that were the actual news story because they were afraid. Even South Park was censored because of fear, albeit fear of reprisal (in the country of the 1st Amendment, no less, this has long been the case in UK: they even censored the episode with Diana for fear of offending people).

When you have an overseas army that desires your destruction exporting its combatants back to their home nations then there is legal recourse to dealing with them differently. Not that what they've done isn't already illegal as things stand.

The rest of your post is indecipherable garbage so i'll leave it at that.

[Nick Young]

A british theater in London recently banned the Jewish cultural film festival from being screened, for fear of "taking sides" and offending muslims. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[kNIOKAS]

Yes i do. I suggest you read Nick Cohen's book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can't_Read_this_Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can't_Read_this_Book)

Which details - quite extensively - the many incidents where publications have been pulled, books refused publication, art exhibits closed, and various other things, all due to this fear of causing 'offense' - to Muslims in particular. Christ, during the Danish cartoon affair not a single media outlet decided to show the cartoons that were the actual news story because they were afraid. Even South Park was censored because of fear, albeit fear of reprisal (in the country of the 1st Amendment, no less, this has long been the case in UK: they even censored the episode with Diana for fear of offending people).
How about people not wanting to offend anybody? Have ever thought of that? :rolleyes: Or is it fear, because something-something-book.


When you have an overseas army that desires your destruction exporting its combatants back to their home nations then there is legal recourse to dealing with them differently. Not that what they've done isn't already illegal as things stand.

The rest of your post is indecipherable garbage so i'll leave it at that.
How about somebody thought they would like to join what they considered a good fight, went there, saw there's nothing of interest to them, came back? Just looking from an individual point of view.

[KingBeasley08]

A british theater in London recently banned the Jewish cultural film festival from being screened, for fear of "taking sides" and offending muslims. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Ridiculous. What the hell is wrong with Europe?

[SCdac]

"What is wrong with Europe?" ... good question.

Recently, students at a London University voted against commemorating the Holocaust, as being "anti-Zionist" does not allow them to commemorate :wtf:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/london-university-rejects-holocaust-commemoration/

This is the same student body that recently refused to condemn ISIS, as they feared doing so would be Islamaphobic :facepalm

[Nick Young]

"What is wrong with Europe?" ... good question.

Recently, students at a London University voted against commemorating the Holocaust, as being "anti-Zionist" does not allow them to commemorate :wtf:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/london-university-rejects-holocaust-commemoration/

This is the same student body that recently refused to condemn ISIS, as they feared doing so would be Islamaphobic :facepalm
Dear god.:eek:

[step_back]

WTF Denmark. :banghead:

So these people can cut off others heads, rape any woman they please and kill defenseless children and they're simply allowed to waltz right back in like they've been on holiday.


Denmark have just condoned ISIS by doing this.

[StephHamann]

WTF Denmark. :banghead:

So these people can cut off others heads, rape any woman they please and kill defenseless children and they're simply allowed to waltz right back in like they've been on holiday.


Denmark have just condoned ISIS by doing this.

srsly we should invade Denmark again, supporting terrorists :facepalm

evil laugh

[tomtucker]

fukking goverment...:mad: ....next time there is election the current gov. will be thrown out the door and the right people will take over, according to polls the current gov. is in the minority........and a party who hates those musilm fukks will get around 25 procent of the votes

[kentatm]

"What is wrong with Europe?" ... good question.

Recently, students at a London University voted against commemorating the Holocaust, as being "anti-Zionist" does not allow them to commemorate :wtf:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/london-university-rejects-holocaust-commemoration/


Did you read the article? That was a claim by a single student and is rejected by multiple people involved.

[QUOTE]Goldsmiths

[Raymone]

[QUOTE]El-Alfy later uploaded a post clarifying her position, stating that she was

[Trollsmasher]

:oldlol:
these goddamn Eurocentric Euros

[Nick Young]

Did you read the article? That was a claim by a single student and is rejected by multiple people involved.
60 to 1 vote. Only one person voted in favour of recognizing Holocaust Memorial day. Didn't you read the article?

[imdaman99]

You can't reason with terrorists. People thinking that these guys aren't being watched and let go into the rest of the world without being tracked don't see the big picture.

[kentatm]

60 to 1 vote. Only one person voted in favour of recognizing Holocaust Memorial day. Didn't you read the article?

:facepalm

It was rejected b/c they wanted to reword the thing, not b/c they don't want to recognize the Holocaust.

Why are you being willfully ignorant with partial truths and selective use of facts?

[Nick Young]

:facepalm

It was rejected b/c they wanted to reword the thing, not b/c they don't want to recognize the Holocaust.

Why are you being willfully ignorant with partial truths and selective use of facts?
60 to 1 against. Their reasoning for rejection is nothing but semantics.

I actually worked in the NUS last year. I know how these assholes work. That organization is 90% former Socialist Workers party, and 90% "Free Palestine" jihadists. The only reason they aren't Socialist workers party anymore is because one of the UK SWP leaders raped a girl in the party and the upper brass tried to cover it up and protected him.

I have sat in meetings and hear them justify their anti-semitism with a ton of excuses like that. They love filibustering and delaying votes to avoid policies that they don't like from ever passing. If this vote fails to pass in 3 straight meetings, the motion will disappear. This is a tactic I have seen these kinds of people use time after time after time in the NUS.

The current president of the NUS Toni Pierce has never even attended a single university class, because in her words, attending uni is "A waste of time". NUS is nothing but a bunch of career politicians. These people who are refusing to acknowledge the holocaust memorial day are the future leaders and politicians in the UK.

[Raymone]

She was “not against” Holocaust Memorial Day, but expressed her opposition to celebrating it. :lol

[SCdac]

Did you read the article? That was a claim by a single student and is rejected by multiple people involved.

Eh... they voted 60:1

A search into the Student Union's representative history shows she's vehemently anti-Israel.

But really, are you just arguing over a discrepancy in my remarks and hers, or are you advocating denying memorializing the Holocaust too?

[NumberSix]

Soooooooo, this group wants to....

1. Not recognize the holocaust
2. Not recognize the Ottoman caliphate's genocide of Armenian Christians
3. Boycot Israel
4. Reject condemning ISIS because it's "islamophobic"


http://media0.giphy.com/media/Rhhr8D5mKSX7O/giphy.gif

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=Raymone]She was

[SCdac]

I can't believe how dense some of you are, really :facepalm

It's almost as if petty ISH arguments with nick young and others – not the harsh reality outside of internet, real life events, or personal experiences – has caused some of you to pick a side by default defending anything anti-Jewish or anti-Israel.

And then start talking about ignorance, partial truths, etc. The irony.

[Nick Young]

This same Union refused to condemn ISIS, for fear of being branding "Islamaphobic", how much clearer can their agenda be?

[KingBeasley08]

This same Union refused to condemn ISIS, for fear of being branding "Islamaphobic", how much clearer can their agenda be?
Yeah, this kind of PC culture is insane. I thought the USA was becoming soft as hell but now I see that we are slow to the party and our Euro brothers have been doing this for a while

[Dresta]

How about people not wanting to offend anybody? Have ever thought of that? :rolleyes: Or is it fear, because something-something-book.

How about somebody thought they would like to join what they considered a good fight, went there, saw there's nothing of interest to them, came back? Just looking from an individual point of view.
:lol

You're not making any sense AGAIN. Sure, they didn't 'want' to offend anybody, but any 'want' requires a motivation, and in this case, the motivation was fear. Wanting in no way contradicts fearing dumbass. Where have you been living, seriously? It's not like this is new: Rushdie penned his reaffirmation of Islam a long time ago now to appease the same kind of fanatics, while in fear for his life.

Here's an article documenting the power of fear on speech and publications (because obviously a book is too much for you):

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/after-attack-on-danish-cartoonist-the-west-is-choked-by-fear-a-669888.html

Stop denying reality. It really couldn't be much clearer.

[kentatm]

Look, I'm just going by what the people said. They are redrafting it apparently. It doesn't look like a Holocaust denial issue which seems to be what is being hinted at.

[Droid101]

[QUOTE=SCdac]
It's almost as if petty ISH arguments with nick young and others

[SCdac]

Have to keep in mind the huge Muslim population in London and at Goldsmith's University. Obviously it's a factor in their decision making.

This decision would be like outright denying a memorial for 9/11... because it didn't include a mention about what colonialists did to the Native Americans :facepalm

[SCdac]

Says a lot about twisting facts, repetitive nonsensical postings, and all the other stupid tactics Nick Young uses to "argue" his points.

Maybe if he put forth honest posts, people would give honest replies.

Until he does, I instantly believe the opposite of whatever he posts.

In other words, you sympathize with, or believe, anti-Jewish and anti-Israel views... because 1 ****ing poster on some random ass message board got under your skin? :facepalm ... No offense, but you're a complete imbecile.

These issues go waaaaaaay beyond ISH....

[Droid101]

In other words, you sympathize with, or believe, anti-Jewish and anti-Israel views... because 1 ****ing poster on some random ass message board got under your skin?
Under my skin? Hahah, no.

He's a lying weirdo, funny to laugh at.

[Nick Young]

Look, I'm just going by what the people said. They are redrafting it apparently. It doesn't look like a Holocaust denial issue which seems to be what is being hinted at.
That's what they always say.:facepalm You don't understand how these NUS people work.

[Nick Young]

Says a lot about twisting facts, repetitive nonsensical postings, and all the other stupid tactics Nick Young uses to "argue" his points.

Maybe if he put forth honest posts, people would give honest replies.

Until he does, I instantly believe the opposite of whatever he posts.
There is nothing dishonest about what I have posted in this thread.

[KingBeasley08]

Don't get me wrong. I've come at Israel many times here, me and Jeff have had arguments that ended with him deleting the thread but I'm not anti-Semitic or "racist" against Muslims. Just call it as I see it



And right now I see that Europe is overly appeasing its rowdy and extreme Muslim immigrants who make no effort to assimilate while hiding behind principles like 'Freedom of Speech' so nobody can argue with them

[Nick Young]

Have to keep in mind the huge Muslim population in London and at Goldsmith's University. Obviously it's a factor in their decision making.

This decision would be like outright denying a memorial for 9/11... because it didn't include a mention about what colonialists did to the Native Americans :facepalm
They are also refusing to acknowledge the Turkish genocide on Armenian Christians, and refusing to condemn ISIS. The Goldsmith's SU agenda is clear. It is unfortunate that the NUS has basically become a Socialist Workers/Jihadist breeding ground where a bunch of power hungry social justice warriors sit around in rooms all day patting themselves on the back about how PC they are.

Luckily the NUS basically has zero power, and does not represent the views of their student body. These meetings are generally attended by 60 people MAX, usually the number is around 20-30 students, and they are usually made up of the most Radical political societies on campus. Still, it is disgusting universities allow their SUs to pass ridiculous motions like this, and block Holocaust memorial motions.

[kNIOKAS]

:lol

You're not making any sense AGAIN. Sure, they didn't 'want' to offend anybody, but any 'want' requires a motivation, and in this case, the motivation was fear. Wanting in no way contradicts fearing dumbass. Where have you been living, seriously? It's not like this is new: Rushdie penned his reaffirmation of Islam a long time ago now to appease the same kind of fanatics, while in fear for his life.

Here's an article documenting the power of fear on speech and publications (because obviously a book is too much for you):

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/after-attack-on-danish-cartoonist-the-west-is-choked-by-fear-a-669888.html

Stop denying reality. It really couldn't be much clearer.
There might be instances of individuals fearing for their lives, but that happens in various situations. To generalize it and apply to policies of the countries is a bit silly, don't you think so?

Fear this, fear that. You're effectively fear-mongering about fear here. Let it go...

[Nick Young]

There might be instances of individuals fearing for their lives, but that happens in various situations. To generalize it and apply to policies of the countries is a bit silly, don't you think so?

Fear this, fear that. You're effectively fear-mongering about fear here. Let it go...
You're right, it's better to ignore trends and pretend things aren't a problem. If you pretend something isn't a problem, it will go away.:rockon:

[Dresta]

Don't get me wrong. I've come at Israel many times here, me and Jeff have had arguments that ended with him deleting the thread but I'm not anti-Semitic or "racist" against Muslims. Just call it as I see it



And right now I see that Europe is overly appeasing its rowdy and extreme Muslim immigrants who make no effort to assimilate while hiding behind principles like 'Freedom of Speech' so nobody can argue with them
They hide behind freedom of speech when they parade, carrying placards that say things like 'death to the West' 'behead enemies of Islam' etc. But when anyone tries to criticise them, then they hide behind concoctions like Islamophobia and hate speech, using our own societies neuroses (guilt complex) to fundamentally undermine principles we have defended for centuries.

For instance, this man was sentenced to jail time for burning a Koran after witnessing muslims burning poppies (he was a former soldier):

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-13119241


Ryan struggled with security guards in court after the sentence was passed.

While being handcuffed he shouted: "What about my country? What about burning poppies?"

About 10 people were in court to support Ryan, and as they left the court they shouted "do you call this justice?".

After sentencing, Insp Paul Marshall, of Cumbria Police, said: "This incident was highly unusual for Cumbria as we have such low levels of hate crime in the county."

:facepalm

There is another instance in the UK of a man being sentenced to 9 months for displaying anti-islamic material on the windows of HIS OWN HOUSE. Of course, after inquiring to the CPS as to what was so heinous about this material, and whether it could be released so it could known just what constitutes being offensive enough to get 9 months in prison. The CPS reply was that considering the material had been found offensive in court, it was in the public interest not to release the offending images. That is almost Orwellian. It's saying 'we can put a man in prison for 9 months and not tell anyone why' - we are becoming more intolerant and more arbitrary, and it isn't going to end well.

In Canada someone was also sentenced to 9 months for hating Islam. It's amazing that so soon after finally ridding ourselves of blasphemy laws, we've now brought them back under a different guise, and with the aim of only seriously protecting one group. People are so easily manipulated :hammerhead:

[9erempiree]

They hide behind freedom of speech when they parade, carrying placards that say things like 'death to the West' 'behead enemies of Islam' etc. But when anyone tries to criticise them, then they hide behind concoctions like Islamophobia and hate speech, using our own societies neuroses (guilt complex) to fundamentally undermine principles we have defended for centuries.

For instance, this man was sentenced to jail time for burning a Koran after witnessing muslims burning poppies (he was a former soldier):

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-13119241


:facepalm

There is another instance in the UK of a man being sentenced to 9 months for displaying anti-islamic material on the windows of HIS OWN HOUSE. Of course, after inquiring to the CPS as to what was so heinous about this material, and whether it could be released so it could known just what constitutes being offensive enough to get 9 months in prison. The CPS reply was that considering the material had been found offensive in court, it was in the public interest not to release the offending images. That is almost Orwellian. It's saying 'we can put a man in prison for 9 months and not tell anyone why' - we are becoming more intolerant and more arbitrary, and it isn't going to end well.

In Canada someone was also sentenced to 9 months for hating Islam. It's amazing that so soon after finally ridding ourselves of blasphemy laws, we've now brought them back under a different guise, and with the aim of only seriously protecting one group. People are so easily manipulated :hammerhead:

I could have said it better myself but you basically covered everything and it is sad that we have tailor to these types.

Civilized man over savages.

[Nick Young]

Contacted the Goldsmiths NUS team about this BS decision-this is their response

Hi Nick Young (that's not my real name dawgs),

I'm sorry you feel that way. Some further reading you might be interested in is the statement that the Goldsmiths J-Soc president has put on the Union of Jewish Students website. http://www.ujs.org.uk/news/article/6013/Goldsmiths-J-Soc-are-working-closely-with-the-Student-Union-by-Aaron-Isaac/

As a point of clarification, it was the student body who voted 60:1 as it is a democratic assembly of students. We are looking as part of our governance review in ways we can wider participation and accessibility for these.

We can't change the way you feel, so I'm sorry to hear about that. I thought it might be useful to consider the above.

Regards,

hmmm.

The perfect PC response. Still their agenda is clear.

-Refuses to condemn ISIS
-Refuses to recognize the Armenian Genocide
-Refuses to acknowledge Holocaust memorial day
-Affiliated with BDS, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions of all Israeli goods and media, BDS is funded by genocidal organizations Hamas and Hezbollah.

Such a clear agenda. These people have gotten very very clever at defending their hate though.:facepalm

[Dresta]

'As a point of clarification, it was the student body who voted 60:1 as it is a democratic assembly of students. We are looking as part of our governance review in ways we can wider participation and accessibility for these.'

wut?

Not surprised tbh. The people who hung out at (and ran) the student union tended to be the biggest idiots and doucebags at university (not an easy feat).

[9erempiree]

Islamphobia and Eurocentric are the new words now eh?:hammerhead:

When will these people ever stop.

[Nick Young]

'As a point of clarification, it was the student body who voted 60:1 as it is a democratic assembly of students. We are looking as part of our governance review in ways we can wider participation and accessibility for these.'

wut?

Not surprised tbh. The people who hung out at (and ran) the student union tended to be the biggest idiots and doucebags at university (not an easy feat).
From my experience in Student Union meetings I had to attend at my uni, the only people who attended were members of radical student societs like Socialist Workers Party and all the other little Socialist groups as well as radical members of the Islamic society, who would always speak about every motion and find some way to make it about Israel and Palestine, even if it had nothing to do with that.

Student Union meetings are not representative of the student body IMO as they are only attended by radical members of niche groups.



Still, a 60 to 1 vote against the holocaust is very sad.

ALSO, the sabbatical officers leading the union WERE a part of that 60 to 1 vote. It is not like they were removed from the situation and unable to vote, like they are trying to imply.

[StephHamann]

Contacted the Goldsmiths NUS team about this BS decision-this is their response


hmmm.

The perfect PC response. Still their agenda is clear.

-Refuses to condemn ISIS
-Refuses to recognize the Armenian Genocide
-Refuses to acknowledge Holocaust memorial day
-Affiliated with BDS, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions of all Israeli goods and media, BDS is funded by genocidal organizations Hamas and Hezbollah.

Such a clear agenda. These people have gotten very very clever at defending their hate though.:facepalm

http://i.imgur.com/ddJiZ57.gif

[KingBeasley08]

They hide behind freedom of speech when they parade, carrying placards that say things like 'death to the West' 'behead enemies of Islam' etc. But when anyone tries to criticise them, then they hide behind concoctions like Islamophobia and hate speech, using our own societies neuroses (guilt complex) to fundamentally undermine principles we have defended for centuries.

For instance, this man was sentenced to jail time for burning a Koran after witnessing muslims burning poppies (he was a former soldier):

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-13119241


:facepalm

There is another instance in the UK of a man being sentenced to 9 months for displaying anti-islamic material on the windows of HIS OWN HOUSE. Of course, after inquiring to the CPS as to what was so heinous about this material, and whether it could be released so it could known just what constitutes being offensive enough to get 9 months in prison. The CPS reply was that considering the material had been found offensive in court, it was in the public interest not to release the offending images. That is almost Orwellian. It's saying 'we can put a man in prison for 9 months and not tell anyone why' - we are becoming more intolerant and more arbitrary, and it isn't going to end well.

In Canada someone was also sentenced to 9 months for hating Islam. It's amazing that so soon after finally ridding ourselves of blasphemy laws, we've now brought them back under a different guise, and with the aim of only seriously protecting one group. People are so easily manipulated :hammerhead:
Yeah, Freedom of Speech only applies to them and anyone who criticizes them loses that privilege.


This right here is why I don't distinguish between the far left and far right. Britain is censoring and infringing freedoms in the name of "social justice". Like some kind of liberal authoritarianism

[zoom17]

http://i.imgur.com/ddJiZ57.gif

wtf:lol

[MadeFromDust]

http://i.imgur.com/ddJiZ57.gif
Someone should make an image macro placing a slice of pizza in Putin's left hand instead of that piece of paper :lol :roll:

[Nick Young]

http://i.imgur.com/x4bModf.jpg

[Dresta]

Yeah, Freedom of Speech only applies to them and anyone who criticizes them loses that privilege.


This right here is why I don't distinguish between the far left and far right. Britain is censoring and infringing freedoms in the name of "social justice". Like some kind of liberal authoritarianism
That's the problem with the term 'social justice': it has no tangible meaning or definition and so will always be interpreted arbitrarily by most, consequently allowing people to impress all whatever authoritarian policies they desire under the moniker of 'social justice'

[Nick Young]

http://matteroffactsblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/22/goldsmith-students-union-thinks-holocaust-memorial-day-is-eurocentric/
LOL more Goldsmith SU behavior. I'm going to use my contacts in the NUS to go hard at them.:lol It's an absolute joke university student groups are actively encouraging this kind of antisemitic ideology.
https://i0.wp.com/tab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-15-at-13.09.38-540x379.png

https://i0.wp.com/tab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-15-at-15.08.001-540x389.png


One student named T. Walpole, present at the Assembly, objected: “Our union is anti-Zionist.”

They added: “This is a colonialist motion. Vote it down.

“White people should not be proposing motions to condemn genocides without a lot of thought. This does not have that thought.”
:facepalm

[9erempiree]

http://matteroffactsblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/22/goldsmith-students-union-thinks-holocaust-memorial-day-is-eurocentric/
LOL more Goldsmith SU behavior. I'm going to use my contacts in the NUS to go hard at them.:lol It's an absolute joke university student groups are actively encouraging this kind of antisemitic ideology.
https://i0.wp.com/tab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-15-at-13.09.38-540x379.png

https://i0.wp.com/tab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-15-at-15.08.001-540x389.png


:facepalm

Fight the good fight and expose these frauds. Sadly, higher education is very liberal and PC.

[Dresta]

**** me :facepalm

To be a 'white dude' is to have no right to hold opinions or feel sentiment according to this idiot. Good to see kids are getting a good education these days :applause:

[Nick Young]

Fight the good fight and expose these frauds. Sadly, higher education is very liberal and PC.
Liberal PC seems to mean these days that's it's ok to be racist towards all white people and misandrist against all males.:facepalm