View Full Version : Countdown to extinction: Only 6 northern white rhinos left on Earth
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 06:20 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/world/africa/kenya-northern-white-rhino/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
(CNN) -- Unique? Suni was much more than that. He was vital to the survival of his kind.
So, on Friday, after rangers found the northern white rhino lifeless in his hut on a Kenyan wildlife conservancy, a short countdown to extinction began.
Suni was one of only seven northern whites left in the world, all of which live in captivity. There are none known to be left in the wild.
More importantly, Suni was one of only two breeding males left, said the Ol Pejeta Conservancy in a statement.
Now the conservationists have but one male and two females that can breed.
And that doesn't happen often. When Suni mated with female Najin in April 2012, it was her first time in ten years.
A month passed before they mated again. So far, no offspring.
:(
1. Aquire RhinoPorn
2. Extra Extra Large Viagra
3.?????
4. Offspring
If only cloning...
TheReal Kendall
10-20-2014, 06:24 PM
White rhino kush
SugarHill
10-20-2014, 06:26 PM
Only 7? Christ.
CelticBaller
10-20-2014, 06:32 PM
i need that white rhino leather
SCdac
10-20-2014, 06:33 PM
This is essentially why some zoos and conservatories around the world actually have to overlook the negative side effects of inbreeding... they have no choice anymore, it's a race against time to keep some species alive, particularly rhinos.
TheReal Kendall
10-20-2014, 06:40 PM
This is essentially why some zoos and conservatories around the world actually have to overlook the negative side effects of inbreeding... they have no choice anymore, it's a race against time to keep some species alive, particularly rhinos.
Do we really need white rhinos though?
Nanners
10-20-2014, 06:52 PM
We are going to see a lot of these extinctions within our lifetimes. In the not so distant future, the only place that large majestic mammals like lions, tigers, elephants, giraffes, hippos and rhinos will be able to survive is inside of zoos and refuges.
nathanjizzle
10-20-2014, 06:54 PM
people gotta stop ****ing with mother nature. breeds go extinct due to natural plan, so will humans.
SugarHill
10-20-2014, 06:54 PM
Do we really need white rhinos though?
Do we really need Alabama?
SCdac
10-20-2014, 06:56 PM
Do we really need white rhinos though?
I'd say yes, they've been around for millions of years, why end that (I consider the problems in rhino population to be predominantly manmade)? Keep in mind, I don't see humanity as a focal point to earth's existence, so maybe I'm biased. In other words, I don't see our species as inherently more important to the ecosystem than rhinos or cockroaches or single-celled organisms. More intelligent, sure. Intelligent enough to maybe save earth one day or transport us to a similar planet, maybe. But in the grand scheme, humanity will just be a blip in earth's history IMO.
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 06:59 PM
I'd say yes, they've been around for millions of years, why end that (I consider the problems in rhino population to be predominantly manmade)? Keep in mind, I don't see humanity as a focal point to earth's existence, so maybe I'm biased. In other words, I don't see our species as inherently more important to the ecosystem than rhinos or cockroaches or single-celled organisms. More intelligent, sure. Intelligent enough to maybe save earth one day or transport us to a similar planet, maybe. But in the grand scheme, humanity will just be a blip in earth's history IMO.
so far, humanity is the biggest "blip" the Earth has seen...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/world/africa/kenya-northern-white-rhino/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
:(
That nigh smart he used protection??
TheReal Kendall
10-20-2014, 07:03 PM
Do we really need Alabama?
Are you Moe's alt?
Edit: I meant what purpose do they serve. You know like each creature has a role to play.
SCdac
10-20-2014, 07:05 PM
so far, humanity is the biggest "blip" the Earth has seen...
Eh, I'm pretty sure grass, trees, and a broad number of other species pre-date us by millions of years...
Nanners
10-20-2014, 07:09 PM
Are you Moe's alt?
Edit: I meant what purpose do they serve. You know like each creature has a role to play.
what purpose does the grand canyon serve? why dont we just dam up the colorado river and use the canyon to make electricity?
what purpose does a bald eagle serve? why bother banning ddt when bald eagles are completely useless?
the answer to these questions, is that some things have value simply through their existence.
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 07:11 PM
Eh, I'm pretty sure grass, trees, and a broad number of other species pre-date us by millions of years...
humans are the end result (so far) of evolution...you could date us back to single-celled organisms
why would you put more relevance on species that have been around a long time without change?
russwest0
10-20-2014, 07:23 PM
**** this world.
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 07:37 PM
Everything is the end result of evolution.
okay sure...so basing a species relevance based around how long it's been around seems illogical to me. We all come from the same source...(we think)
SCdac
10-20-2014, 07:38 PM
humans are the end result (so far) of evolution...you could date us back to single-celled organisms
why would you put more relevance on species that have been around a long time without change?
well, in theory, all life is always evolving and it never ends, no? My point is simply that humanity is not the center of the universe or even earth despite our big brains. Humanity is merely a product of evolution. With mass extinctions being common in earth's history, I'd say our days are numbered. But as far as rhinos and other species, it's not some huge volcano or asteroid killing them... it's us... Perhaps it's "meant to be", I could entertain that perspective for shits and giggles, but idk about that
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 07:44 PM
well, in theory, all life is always evolving and it never ends, no? My point is simply that humanity is not the center of the universe or even earth despite our big brains. Humanity is merely a product of evolution. With mass extinctions being common in earth's history, I'd say our days are numbered. But as far as rhinos and other species, it's not some huge volcano or asteroid killing them... it's us... Perhaps it's "meant to be", I could entertain that perspective for shits and giggles, but idk about that
IMO what happens to humans down the road, nuclear-extinction/evolve into grey-aliens, whatever, shouldn't effect how "important" we are viewed today.
I guess your main point is that you don't place more importance on intelligent species vs. unintelligent, and I kind of agree with that.
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 07:50 PM
All species are relevant and equal.
Why do you think a species that had more recent jump in evolution is better?
I didn't say I do...but the further life evolves the more advanced the species perhaps?
from single-celled organism to - giant flying brain creatures :confusedshrug:
but I don't really feel like advanced species >
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 07:53 PM
IDK...I feel like I'm a pretty spiritual human but at some point down the line you naturally have to think humans >
If you go far enough anyway
have you ever killed a mosquito?...or stepped on a roach? You don't feel the same repercussions as you would had you killed another human. Because naturally you feel like they are less important.
But we gonna act like the rhino pull out game ain't strong tho
bluechox2
10-20-2014, 08:12 PM
time to get the cloning kit out
sommervilleCdn
10-20-2014, 08:19 PM
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/135/e/0/lokid2_by_stephhardy28-d65e3xu.jpg
Some of you on this board have the mindset, that we are the top predator. Be all and, end all. I don't think that's the case. Rhinos are indeed going extinct because of us... We are encroaching into another species territory and disrupting the balance..who can say how far is too far. Well , with it comes the unintended consequences, such spillover (cross species viruses), that we invariably run into. Look into ebola for example.
If that's the kind o f attitude yall gonna take, well i hope we get some cosmic justice :rant
/asgardian, need to rule us, and show us the true way
//harmony with nature, kumbaya
Jailblazers7
10-20-2014, 08:56 PM
I could sorta see the argument that humans are the least important species on the planet. We are outside the food chain and do nothing positive for the rest of the planet. The most important goal should be maintaining life on Earth because as far as we know it is the only planet that currently sustains life.
Nanners
10-20-2014, 10:08 PM
Agent Smith had a point when he compared humanity to a virus. Our necessity for growth makes it difficult for most other complex life forms to coexist with us.
If humans ever leave this planet and colonize the rest of the universe, any intelligent alien species out there better pray that we dont find any usable resources on their planet.
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 10:49 PM
You have to associate a higher level of consciousness with importance I think.
The entire point of life IMO is to experience feelings... Love, joy, happiness, sadness, fear, jealousy, etc, etc, etc... The "drama" of life is the whole point and there is no creature on earth that experiences that drama moreso than humans.
In fact I would even say that the death of a human who is mentally challenged or handicapped is less tragic than the death of an intelligent human because they can not experience life the way others can.
Now with that said, with only 6 white rhinos left, and that species even being somewhat conscious, one white rhino could be seen as more important than one human at this point.
tpols
10-20-2014, 10:53 PM
You have to associate a higher level of consciousness with importance I think.
The entire point of life IMO is to experience feelings... Love, joy, happiness, sadness, fear, jealousy, etc, etc, etc... The "drama" of life is the whole point and there is no creature on earth that experiences that drama moreso than humans.
In fact I would even say that the death of a human who is mentally challenged or handicapped is less tragic than the death of an intelligent human because they can not experience life the way others can.
Now with that said, with only 6 white rhinos left, and that species even being somewhat conscious, one white rhino could be seen as more important than one human at this point.
eh.. youre just describing mental sensation. What about physical sensation? None of us will ever feel as strong or powerful or as full of life and energy as say a bengal tiger taking down a wildebeast or something
~primetime~
10-20-2014, 11:04 PM
eh.. youre just describing mental sensation. What about physical sensation? None of us will ever feel as strong or powerful or as full of life and energy as say a bengal tiger taking down a wildebeast or something
Mental > physical imo
SpecialQue
10-20-2014, 11:13 PM
150-200 species of plant, insect, bird and mammal become extinct every 24 hours.
Cactus-Sack
10-20-2014, 11:13 PM
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Cactus-Sack
10-20-2014, 11:16 PM
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Cactus-Sack
10-20-2014, 11:18 PM
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Duggrr
10-21-2014, 01:20 AM
A beautiful specimen. Tis' a sad day. :(
SCdac
10-21-2014, 02:32 AM
If a rhino showed up on your doorstep, hungry and homeless, would you feed and shelter that n!gga? No, you'd tell him to keep it moving.
**** yes I would. As long as he doesn't **** with my dog or smoke all my weed we're cool. Rhinos are cool as hell
And in response to others, obviously humans are going to think humans are "most important" in life, but shit we're just another animal on this globe of animals. that line of thinking, "everything can go but us" could essentially eradicate life/earth as we know it. Crocodiles? who needs em! Birds? **** em. Algae? it's gross anyways! etc, etc.
primetime, you had me going with consciousness, because I agree humans are the most self-aware, conscious, intelligent beings on the planet (it's how we're having this conversation about the planet), but you lost me with the emotions stuff. chimpanzees likely feel all of the same emotions as us and I don't need to spend my life with a chimp to say that with confidence. Hell, even dogs get sad, happy, jealous, and even feel love (oxytocin running through their brains much like ours). You can't tell me your dog doesn't love you, and it's not just because you feed it and shelter it, there is a genuine love there.
My overall point was this.. the question was "who needs rhinos anyways?" .. my answer is simply, it's absurd for us humans to feel so self-righteous that we should make that decision based on some kind of "usefulness to humans" scale lol .. and the big slap in the face to nature is we're the cause of many dying species. Call that "natural" if you will, I call it overpopulation of humans, too few resources, and an insensitivity to other life.
I'm not denying the awesome uniqueness of modern or pre-modern hominids, for instance I think the ability to create fire (which no other species can do even our closest living cousins) is one of the single most important evolutionary trait (it gets damn cold outside in winter - imagine life before electricity). Even still, our higher intelligence means we have much much greater responsibility IMO
We've evolved into the world's (and as far as we know) and universe's greatest creation. Does that give us a right to do whatever to whatever we want (such as our existence leading to the extinction to many other species)? No. Consequently though, it's the world we live in. Before the age of science, industrial revolution, the internet and whatever is to come next - the human race could comfortably coexist with the rest of the world. Not so much anymore, and it's too late to turn back.
Hell, I think it's too late to even slow the machine down, much less reverse and/or right the ship. The destruction of this planet (including ourselves of course) is inevitable, and IMO, the game board was already set thousands of years ago. I mean, the Earth is what, some 4.6 billion years old/young, and it only took us a couple million years to evolve into the planet-destroying species we have come to be today? Life, went from billions down to millions hundreds of thousands tens of thousands to thousands down to hundreds and now we're looking at IMO mere decades before our ultimate demise. Many believe life will continue to maintain itself. That the sun will still rise and set, stars will still burn all across the universe and all that.
I see things a little different than you all. I don't see life marching on. I see a Creator (call it/Him or whatever God, or at least I do) pulling the plug on humanity, and when that happens the result is pulling the plug on everything else, including all other life and sheer existence of the entire vast universe itself. Only time will tell, and it isn't worth getting into an argument/debate about because we'll all be dead eventually and we'll either be discussing this in the next life or we won't; simple as that. Time is the only thing that separates who's right and who's wrong.
primetime, you had me going with consciousness, because I agree humans are the most self-aware, conscious, intelligent beings on the planet (it's how we're having this conversation about the planet), but you lost me with the emotions stuff. chimpanzees likely feel all of the same emotions as us and I don't need to spend my life with a chimp to say that with confidence. Hell, even dogs get sad, happy, jealous, and even feel love (oxytocin running through their brains much like ours). You can't tell me your dog doesn't love you, and it's not just because you feed it and shelter it, there is a genuine love there
The raw emotions we (human beings) feel really can't be compared to any other species on the planet. What we feel, and how we interpret, process, calculate, experience, etc. raw emotion is on an entirely different plateau than anything else in existence, and it's all connected and leads back to our higher level of thought and consciousness. It's all connected. Dogs can mimic our personalities, but they can't "feel" what we feel to the level or degree we exclusively feel amongst ourselves (as humans). They just can't. The way and level in which we interpret something such as love or hate is non-comparable to anything else on this planet, like I said, because of the level of consciousness we possess.
Saying a dog can experience the same level of joy, happiness, sadness, all other emotions etc the same way we do just sounds silly to me. The manner in which we as humans have evolved or were created (both?) is distinctively different than anything else around us, and perhaps it's just the way shit turned out to be or perhaps there's a profound reason behind it (such as a profound purpose for/behind our creation/existence all together). Us just happening to evolve and be so vastly superior to anything and everything else that lives, breathes or exists on this planet around us and seeing that as chance/simply the end result being the product of our environment I don't buy ... I believe we were "put" in this position by "someone" or "something" for "some reason" or another. I believe there is more purpose in our lives than there is purpose in the lives of anything else that exists in this universe.
Dresta
10-21-2014, 05:59 AM
I'd say yes, they've been around for millions of years, why end that (I consider the problems in rhino population to be predominantly manmade)? Keep in mind, I don't see humanity as a focal point to earth's existence, so maybe I'm biased. In other words, I don't see our species as inherently more important to the ecosystem than rhinos or cockroaches or single-celled organisms. More intelligent, sure. Intelligent enough to maybe save earth one day or transport us to a similar planet, maybe. But in the grand scheme, humanity will just be a blip in earth's history IMO.
IMO i don't see why anyone should give a shit about what's happening to Rhino's. Millions of species have lived, died and become instinct: it's the way of the world, and whether or not humans caused the shift that has led to the near-extinction of the white Rhino is irrelevant - they were going that way anyway, so this desperate staving off of the inevitable ends up being just a waste of time of money (how much money has been spent on preserving the White Rhino? well, it's all been wasted).
What has being important to the ecosystem got to do with anything anyway? You are a human being, ergo your instinctive solidarity should and most likely does lie with your own species, not Amoebas et al. As far as i'm aware everything and everyone is equally unimportant, but human life is certainly worth a shit load more to me than Rhino life.
Dresta
10-21-2014, 06:28 AM
I could sorta see the argument that humans are the least important species on the planet. We are outside the food chain and do nothing positive for the rest of the planet. The most important goal should be maintaining life on Earth because as far as we know it is the only planet that currently sustains life.
Why? The Earth has a finite lifespan; preserving life serves no purpose aside from delaying its inevitable extinction. In that way the only thing of value that can come from earth is the hope of some kind of achievement that eclipses the petty squabbles of tribes and species usually referred to as life, and that can only come from humanity or perhaps a more advanced species.
You seem to think life itself is special and of value. I don't: life (at least in nature) is nasty, brutish, painful and short. I most certainly would rather not live at all than live the average life of 20,000 years ago. Trying to understand life, its origins and axioms, to try and understand what made us what we are and what we could be, that's special, and that's the only thing (as far as i can see) that transcends the complete lack of value inherent in all life.
No species (including humans) in any way deserves
JohnnySic
10-21-2014, 07:41 AM
When that super virus shows up and threatens the existence of the human race, I'm going to be rooting for the virus. Just letting you know. :pimp:
When that super virus shows up and threatens the existence of the human race, I'm going to be rooting for the virus. Just letting you know. :pimp:
LOL, nah man. It's going to be the computers/robots takeover card that ends up being played and ultimately does us in; not the "super virus" one. Anyone got dibs on the next monster asteroid or super volcano ones?
:lol
JohnnySic
10-21-2014, 08:21 AM
LOL, nah man. It's going to be the computers/robots card that ends up being played and ultimately does us in; not the "super virus" one. Anyone got dibs on the next monster asteroid or super volcano ones?
:lol
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/Terminator-2-judgement-day.jpg/250px-Terminator-2-judgement-day.jpg
~primetime~
10-21-2014, 09:15 AM
primetime, you had me going with consciousness, because I agree humans are the most self-aware, conscious, intelligent beings on the planet (it's how we're having this conversation about the planet), but you lost me with the emotions stuff. chimpanzees likely feel all of the same emotions as us and I don't need to spend my life with a chimp to say that with confidence. Hell, even dogs get sad, happy, jealous, and even feel love (oxytocin running through their brains much like ours). You can't tell me your dog doesn't love you, and it's not just because you feed it and shelter it, there is a genuine love there.
Consciousness and ability to experience different emotions go hand in hand imo
A dog is capable of experiencing some degree of emotion, and is somewhat conscience. And that is exactly why I would place more importance on a dogs life than say a flea.
A dog is not even close to being as self aware as a human though, and is limited in what emotions can be felt in comparison to a human. Can a dog feel envy? Or foregivness? Or pity? Remorse, pride, graditute? Maybe a little, but not like humans.
Ask your self what the purpose of life is... The answer might be personal to each of us. But IMO if this was just a planet full of insects it would be a pointless existence as there is nothing to enjoy anything or go through any drama. Just mindless drones.
SCdac
10-21-2014, 09:55 AM
Lots of good discussion these last couple pages and not gonna address every point :cheers: Y'all know where I stand more or less and I know where y'all stand. I'm a psychologist (in training) and a firm atheist so naturally discussions that start to venture into "origins and meaning of life" are going to splinter out into 20 different discussions and schools of thought. Just nice to see a civil discussion on ISH. We have this tendency to put great importance on ourselves but if we could get into the mind of a gorilla or orca they'd probably be just as self-centered thinking the world revolves around them. Meaning, they'd be sitting around together saying "humans, who really needs them??". Obviously they're not verbalizing that but you get my point. The importance of our existence is relative, debatable, and not fully understood IMO. I don't think humans will ever fully understand this planet let alone ourselves so it can be a little comical when I hear my fellow man sounding like an authority figure over earth. We're only a small piece to a huge puzzle, not a huge piece to a small puzzle IMO.
GimmeThat
10-21-2014, 10:23 AM
if white rhinos were after me
I'd sure hate humans
Jailblazers7
10-21-2014, 10:52 AM
Why? The Earth has a finite lifespan; preserving life serves no purpose aside from delaying its inevitable extinction. In that way the only thing of value that can come from earth is the hope of some kind of achievement that eclipses the petty squabbles of tribes and species usually referred to as life, and that can only come from humanity or perhaps a more advanced species.
You seem to think life itself is special and of value. I don't: life (at least in nature) is nasty, brutish, painful and short. I most certainly would rather not live at all than live the average life of 20,000 years ago. Trying to understand life, its origins and axioms, to try and understand what made us what we are and what we could be, that's special, and that's the only thing (as far as i can see) that transcends the complete lack of value inherent in all life.
No species (including humans) in any way deserves
I don't disagree that discovery is a kind of transcendent purpose that gives meaning to humanity but I don't see how that is at odds with life being special and having value. In fact, you seem to agree that understanding it is the most important thing about our species. I'm not sure how understanding the origin and potential of life can be of value but life itself isn't.
And I disagree that nature is nasty, brutish, painful and short. Maybe when things are viewed at an individual level but ecosystems are self-sustaining and beautiful when viewed in their totality. The value of all life is that it connects to form a self-sustaining ecosystem that allows for evolution. Preserving the Earth is important because it is the only source of life that we can possibly studied and learn from right now. It provides us with knowledge and the means to survive in order to live up to the grand purpose of trying to understand it all. Trying to extend the Earth's life span is an effort to give us more time to reach that transcendent achievement you noted.
robert de niro
10-21-2014, 10:58 AM
You have to associate a higher level of consciousness with importance I think.
The entire point of life IMO is to experience feelings... Love, joy, happiness, sadness, fear, jealousy, etc, etc, etc... The "drama" of life is the whole point and there is no creature on earth that experiences that drama moreso than humans.
In fact I would even say that the death of a human who is mentally challenged or handicapped is less tragic than the death of an intelligent human because they can not experience life the way others can.
Now with that said, with only 6 white rhinos left, and that species even being somewhat conscious, one white rhino could be seen as more important than one human at this point.
that's a very simple, naive, and anthropocentric view of the world even for you
GimmeThat
10-21-2014, 11:21 AM
that's a very simple, naive, and anthropocentric view of the world even for you
discovering the meaning of life
don't necessarily make a meaningful life
~primetime~
10-21-2014, 11:44 AM
that's a very simple, naive, and anthropocentric view of the world even for you
I agree that it is a simple and anthropocentric view, but IMO it IS as simple as that...without a higher level of consciousness there is less purpose to all of this IMO.
I disagree that it is naive viewpoint though...
SunsN07BookIt
10-21-2014, 11:49 AM
When that super virus shows up and threatens the existence of the human race, I'm going to be rooting for the virus. Just letting you know. :pimp:
If the human race is that bad in your opinion, why you don't you do the Earth a favor and kill your own pouting, crybaby @ss right now?
Dresta
10-21-2014, 03:36 PM
I don't disagree that discovery is a kind of transcendent purpose that gives meaning to humanity but I don't see how that is at odds with life being special and having value. In fact, you seem to agree that understanding it is the most important thing about our species. I'm not sure how understanding the origin and potential of life can be of value but life itself isn't.
And I disagree that nature is nasty, brutish, painful and short. Maybe when things are viewed at an individual level but ecosystems are self-sustaining and beautiful when viewed in their totality. The value of all life is that it connects to form a self-sustaining ecosystem that allows for evolution. Preserving the Earth is important because it is the only source of life that we can possibly studied and learn from right now. It provides us with knowledge and the means to survive in order to live up to the grand purpose of trying to understand it all. Trying to extend the Earth's life span is an effort to give us more time to reach that transcendent achievement you noted.
I didn't say it was at odds, but you said you could see the argument that humans are the least important species on the planet, which is what i disagreed with. I'm not at all saying it isn't worth preserving life on Earth, but that if humans didn't exist there wouldn't be a species capable of even contemplating or appreciating life or existence, and thus the existence of life would become meaningless (at least to me it would). So i find it hard to square your above post with any argument close to humans being the least important species. In fact, any species intelligent enough to inquire about these things would have to already be outside the food chain (or at least on the way to doing so).
You agree that nature is nasty, brutish etc. on a subjective, individual level at least (and certainly before the most recent 10,000 years), but the only species on earth that can view ecosystems in anything like their totality is the human one; how can something be beautiful with no one to observe it?
bdreason
10-21-2014, 03:37 PM
Humans. :facepalm
Jailblazers7
10-21-2014, 04:04 PM
I didn't say it was at odds, but you said you could see the argument that humans are the least important species on the planet, which is what i disagreed with. I'm not at all saying it isn't worth preserving life on Earth, but that if humans didn't exist there wouldn't be a species capable of even contemplating or appreciating life or existence, and thus the existence of life would become meaningless (at least to me it would). So i find it hard to square your above post with any argument close to humans being the least important species. In fact, any species intelligent enough to inquire about these things would have to already be outside the food chain (or at least on the way to doing so).
You agree that nature is nasty, brutish etc. on a subjective, individual level at least (and certainly before the most recent 10,000 years), but the only species on earth that can view ecosystems in anything like their totality is the human one; how can something be beautiful with no one to observe it?
Yeah true, I jumped out too far on that one. I always get a little extreme when I think about big picture stuff like this because I have a lot of what ifs running through my head.
I hate white rhinos, biggest liars on the planet. Not even really white. Plus, if humans were going extinct, do you really think the white rhinos would be trying to save us? No. To hell with them
:roll:
Nick Young
10-21-2014, 05:25 PM
This is natural selection at work boys. Evolution. Adapt or perish. Deal with it.
JohnnySic
10-22-2014, 08:14 AM
This is natural selection at work boys. Evolution. Adapt or perish. Deal with it.
Right! And when that super virus shows up and turns humans into liquid sh!t, dont cry about what a *tragedy* it is. Its just natural selection! :roll:
GimmeThat
10-22-2014, 08:17 AM
you just know there are some humans that are upset at the fact they can't breed white rhinos themselves and they need male/female white rhinos to make it happen.
you can say I am not a human.
masonanddixon
10-22-2014, 08:20 AM
The earth can realistically only sustain about a maximum of 500 million humans.
It will be a trash can by 2025.
Nick Young
10-22-2014, 08:20 AM
Right! And when that super virus shows up and turns humans into liquid sh!t, dont cry about what a *tragedy* it is. Its just natural selection! :roll:
it would be if it happens.
CeltsGarlic
10-22-2014, 09:31 AM
it is still at 6? damn worst countdown eva
CelticBaller
10-22-2014, 09:52 AM
Why do people talk like humans don't matter even though they themselves are human? You act like humans suck but you are one.
Screw rhinos. Most of you will never see one IRL anyway.
fo real
rhinos don give a **** about you, they'll prob kill you if they saw you in the wild
Nick Young
10-22-2014, 09:56 AM
They are basically retarded versions of cows that breed less.
They are driving themselves in to extinction with their idiotic picky mating habits, just like Giant Pandas.
Yes humans possibly accelerated the process but that is nature for you.
Humans are an animal, just like every other animal. We are the world's apex predator for all intents and purposes and other animals will adapt or perish.
This is natural selection for you. Dunno why so many people are happy to promote Darwin's theory and then cry bitch and moan when they see it in action.
ALSO-this is just a tiny subspecies of white rhino. It's not like all white rhinos are wiped out there are thousands left. I doubt any of us would be able to tell the difference between a Northern white rhino and a non-northern white rhino anyways.
DeuceWallaces
10-22-2014, 10:06 AM
This is not Darwin's theory. It's a big loss every time you lose the genetic information in a species.
Nick Young
10-22-2014, 10:08 AM
This is not Darwin's theory. It's a big loss every time you lose the genetic information in a species.
Natural selection.
Survival of the fittest.
Adaptation.
This is nature DeuceWallaces. Species go extinct. It always has been a part of nature.
http://media.giphy.com/media/xCOpzvxKcJeLe/giphy.gif
magic chiongson
10-22-2014, 10:13 AM
Rhinos > pandas
blame traditional chinese medicine for rhino's extinction
DeuceWallaces
10-22-2014, 10:16 AM
His theory is clearly about geologic/evolutionary time.
Anyway, the irony will be that Rhinos hold the cure to whatever debilitating disease is preventing you from being a productive member of society.
Nick Young
10-22-2014, 10:19 AM
His theory is clearly about geologic/evolutionary time.
Anyway, the irony will be that Rhinos hold the cure to whatever debilitating disease is preventing you from being a productive member of society.
I am sorry that you are against nature, and the natural order of life on earth.
SunsN07BookIt
10-22-2014, 11:14 AM
His theory is clearly about geologic/evolutionary time.
Anyway, the irony will be that hold the cure to whatever debilitating disease is preventing you from being a productive member of society.
The reality is that because people actually do believe that, it has been a major factor in bringing northern white rhinos to the brink of extinction.
If they were able to obtain viable sperm from the dead animal and the rest of it's species, they should be able to bring back the northern white rhino with the help of it's white rhino cousin in the south, in the very near future.
DeuceWallaces
10-22-2014, 11:23 AM
The reality is that because people actually do believe that, it has been a major factor in bringing northern white rhinos to the brink of extinction.
If they were able to obtain viable sperm from the dead animal and the rest of it's species, they should be able to bring back the northern white rhino with the help of it's white rhino cousin in the south, in the very near future.
That's obviously not the context I was speaking about.
SunsN07BookIt
10-22-2014, 11:31 AM
That's obviously not the context I was speaking about.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljt5izF1xs1qa1p7d.gif
Obviously...
Shade8780
10-22-2014, 11:58 AM
His theory is clearly about geologic/evolutionary time.
Anyway, the irony will be that Rhinos hold the cure to whatever debilitating disease is preventing you from being a productive member of society.
You're the grumpiest old f*ck I've ever seen.
Nanners
10-22-2014, 12:12 PM
His theory is clearly about geologic/evolutionary time.
Anyway, the irony will be that Rhinos hold the cure to whatever debilitating disease is preventing you from being a productive member of society.
http://i.imgur.com/6WgpGiR.jpg
DeuceWallaces
10-22-2014, 12:15 PM
You're the grumpiest old f*ck I've ever seen.
You should consider leaving the basement every now and then.
hateraid
10-22-2014, 09:45 PM
They should cross breed them with elephants. What kind of species would it be?
Elephino!
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