76ers win; Lottery Reform Thumbed Down

[Dr.J4ever]

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-76ers/source-nba-draft-lottery-reform-voted-down

:applause:

[Genaro]

Didn't like this. First of all this would take away some of the tanking (thought I think the wheel would be better) and secondly Lakers will lose their pick in the next draft for sure.

[Myth]

Adrian Wojnarowski: One glum GM tells Yahoo: "Well, we still have the 'Be as shitty as humanly possible' strategy available in future if we need it." -

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[DukeDelonte13]

It was good that this failed. Knee-jerk reaction if you ask me.


This wouldn't stop tanking. The system is fine. The team with the worst record hasn't won the lottery in quite some time. A team with a 1.7% to win it and fought for the playoffs won the thing, not the 76ers.

Teams that tank face consequences from their respective customer bases.

[Droid101]

This wouldn't stop tanking.
But it would reduce it.

I guess if the solution doesn't completely stop tanking all at once no reason to try it right? :rolleyes:

[ImKobe]

It was good that this failed. Knee-jerk reaction if you ask me.


This wouldn't stop tanking. The system is fine. The team with the worst record hasn't won the lottery in quite some time. A team with a 1.7% to win it and fought for the playoffs won the thing, not the 76ers.

Teams that tank face consequences from their respective customer bases.

Good post.

Teams that intentionally tank haven't really been better off and have often been screwed that way..And why punish teams that might have key injuries, who end up being the worst in the league? They should have a better chance at getting a franchise player than a lottery team that's just medicore.

[DukeDelonte13]

But it would reduce it.

I guess if the solution doesn't completely stop tanking all at once no reason to try it right? :rolleyes:


You risk the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Teams like the bucks, cavs, pelicans, etc. would have an even smaller chance to ever land a Lebron James. It's tough enough as it is on the small markets, why make it even harder? The NBA has some of the worst parity in pro sports. No need to make it even worse.

[chocolatethunder]

But it would reduce it.

I guess if the solution doesn't completely stop tanking all at once no reason to try it right? :rolleyes:
Yes, there's a great reason to not try it and that reason is that it could hurt small market teams. With 1/3 of the teams in the league still losing money (at least until the new TV deal kicks in) it just doesn't make sense. While no system is perfect, this one is far better than what they were proposing. What the Sixers are doing is necessary. It takes a lot of balls as an owner/GM to execute this plan. The Sixers have yet to get the number one pick so their exploitation of the system could be a lot worse.

[IncarceratedBob]

How about we just reverse the order?

Champion gets 1st overall pick
Loser of NBA finals gets 2nd overall pick

So on and so on..

[Myth]

I say keep a similar format, but make it so the bottom 3 teams cannot win the #1 pick (unless they were the bottom team 3 years in a row). That way, teams will be playing hard to not be the worst team, but it still helps teams in needs. If they are the worst team 3 years in a row, they likely are legitimately terrible and need assistance to get out of the hole they are in.

[Jailblazers7]

It was good that this failed. Knee-jerk reaction if you ask me.


This wouldn't stop tanking. The system is fine. The team with the worst record hasn't won the lottery in quite some time. A team with a 1.7% to win it and fought for the playoffs won the thing, not the 76ers.

Teams that tank face consequences from their respective customer bases.

Yeah, and we haven't even seen if a team outright tanking for an extended period of time will work. There are a lot of reason as to why it might or might not be successful. The Sixers are taking a big revenue hit in terms of ticket sales and TV ratings because of it too.

[Eric Cartman]

Just give the worst record the #1 pick, you know like every other sporting league in the world does...

[robert de niro]

How about we just reverse the order?

Champion gets 1st overall pick
Loser of NBA finals gets 2nd overall pick

So on and so on..
why stop there? more reverse, the team with the worst record should be the winner of the nba!

[robert de niro]

Just give the worst record the #1 pick, you know like every other sporting league in the world does...
usa =/= world, in most sports in the rest of the world, the worst record gets demoted to the lower league

[R.I.P.]

Philly won? There is literally no way the NBA will allow them to win the lottery now, like ever. :lol Don

[tamaraw08]

It was good that this failed. Knee-jerk reaction if you ask me.


This wouldn't stop tanking. The system is fine. The team with the worst record hasn't won the lottery in quite some time. A team with a 1.7% to win it and fought for the playoffs won the thing, not the 76ers.Teams that tank face consequences from their respective customer bases.

You are being too myopic and is just too focussed on just who gets the top pick.
:no:
OKC didn't get any no. 1 pick but bec they sucked for 4-5 straight years, they were able to collect 5 top players from the draft, and look where are they now.
So in essence, you and some fans here are really ok with pHilly already getting 3 great college players the past 3 yrs and get 3-4 top 5 picks, really?
Let them abuse this welfare system and ask the league hey we sucked so come help us but handing out the top college ballers, never mind that we only spend 30 million dollars and NOT SIGNING any free agents, 25 Million LESS than the average payroll of most teams" just help us, ok?:rant
and oh btw, thanks for the equal TV revenue sharing,

[blablabla]

It'd be crazy if a team like the Suns could draft a potential franchise transforming player like Wiggins or Embiid

[blablabla]

and oh btw, thanks for the equal TV revenue sharing,
that'd be great, the worse you are the less money you get

[HurricaneKid]

You guys are terrible. In the wake of Houston getting Sampson and Olajuwon in back to back years (the second of which was highly suspicious) the NBA decided to make it so the lesser teams wouldn't be directly rewarded with transformationsal talent.

But saying the worst team getting a 25% chance at the #1 pick is way too high is laughable. The proposal was a joke. Horrible teams that needed massive infusions of talent (see Charlotte circa 3 years ago) would have a better shot getting the #7 pick than a top 2 pick. There is no way out of that morass when you don't get talent infusions like every other major sport.

College hoops is already decimated. No one comes in and contributes like DRob, Shaq, Ewing did in their rookie seasons. MCW might have been the worst RoY in NBA history. The tanking 76ers got the #3 pick and got a guy whose health is petrifying.

[R.I.P.]

It'd be crazy if a team like the Suns could draft a potential franchise transforming player like Wiggins or Embiid

Why is that?

Because they smartly traded for Bledsoe, Plumlee and Green instead of giving away their best players for nothing so they can win less games?

Because they had the audacity to compete in a Conference where it rwquires 50 wins to make the play-offs?

Because they actually hired a coach that embraces winning and found a strategy to maximize the potential of the team?

The funny part is that in five years at least one of Orlando and Philly will still be utter garbage. They won

[ImKobe]

You guys are terrible. In the wake of Houston getting Sampson and Olajuwon in back to back years (the second of which was highly suspicious) the NBA decided to make it so the lesser teams wouldn't be directly rewarded with transformationsal talent.

But saying the worst team getting a 25% chance at the #1 pick is way too high is laughable. The proposal was a joke. Horrible teams that needed massive infusions of talent (see Charlotte circa 3 years ago) would have a better shot getting the #7 pick than a top 2 pick. There is no way out of that morass when you don't get talent infusions like every other major sport.

College hoops is already decimated. No one comes in and contributes like DRob, Shaq, Ewing did in their rookie seasons. MCW might have been the worst RoY in NBA history. The tanking 76ers got the #3 pick and got a guy whose health is petrifying.

by overall numbers, perhaps, but he played on a very bad team and in a role most rookies would struggle in... He still played 70 games and averaged near 2 steals a game and his AST-TO ratio was decent for a rookie PG on a horribly ran team (that was just blatantly tanking). And he had a nice stretch to start off the season. Probably had one of (if not the best) the greatest rookie debuts of all-time in his first game, that stat-line was just amazing, and he went up against the defending champs. also had 2 triple-doubles. Kid definitely has potential and was a great pick for Philly going forward.

[Nash]

lol at american sports rewarding losing teams

honestly a team like the suns deserve the #1 pick. They fought, did amazing and earned themselves some help to push them into the playoffs.

#1 pick should go to the best team that just missed the playoffs.

[blablabla]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Why is that?

Because they smartly traded for Bledsoe, Plumlee and Green instead of giving away their best players for nothing so they can win less games?

Because they had the audacity to compete in a Conference where it rwquires 50 wins to make the play-offs?

Because they actually hired a coach that embraces winning and found a strategy to maximize the potential of the team?

The funny part is that in five years at least one of Orlando and Philly will still be utter garbage. They won

[Darius]

I say keep a similar format, but make it so the bottom 3 teams cannot win the #1 pick (unless they were the bottom team 3 years in a row). That way, teams will be playing hard to not be the worst team, but it still helps teams in needs. If they are the worst team 3 years in a row, they likely are legitimately terrible and need assistance to get out of the hole they are in.

This is actually a pretty good idea. Maybe increase it to bottom 5 teams even.

[PhutureDynasty]

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[morbius]

I would go with this:

Worst team can't get top 3 picks, second worst can't get top 2, third worst cant get first pick of the draft. That way they can still tank, but they will have to fight not to be the worst of the worst. There should be exception for the 3rd time repeater teams, as suggested before.

[russwest0]

It'd be crazy if a team like the Suns could draft a potential franchise transforming player like Wiggins or Embiid

no thx, western conf. is gay enough as is

[uber]

I would go with this:

Worst team can't get top 3 picks, second worst can't get top 2, third worst cant get first pick of the draft. That way they can still tank, but they will have to fight not to be the worst of the worst. There should be exception for the 3rd time repeater teams, as suggested before.

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[ZenMaster]

It was good that this failed. Knee-jerk reaction if you ask me.


This wouldn't stop tanking. The system is fine. The team with the worst record hasn't won the lottery in quite some time. A team with a 1.7% to win it and fought for the playoffs won the thing, not the 76ers.

Teams that tank face consequences from their respective customer bases.

How can a system that promotes losing as many games as possible be fine? If you don't go by the financial bottom line, then finishing last is the best outcome for any team not winning the championship.

[tanks1]

Simple fix: If you are top 3 in the lottery this year , you cannot be top 5 next year.

[DukeDelonte13]

How can a system that promotes losing as many games as possible be fine? If you don't go by the financial bottom line, then finishing last is the best outcome for any team not winning the championship.


it's a system that allows team with no ability to sign marquee agents to have the ability to build through the draft via the players themselves or the picks.

More teams try to make the playoffs than blatantly tank, and the system is already not like the NFL were the worst team is guaranteed the top pick. They are only guaranteed a top 4.