Has the "who takes the final shot?" on the GM survey ever been this lopsided?

[russwest0]

http://www.nba.com/news/features/john_schuhmann/nba-com-2014-15-gm-survey/index.html


Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 76.9%
2. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 7.7%

Durant did hit some crazy ass game winners last season so I guess It's no surprise :lol The year before he was in the lead only getting 39% of the votes though.

[Wade3]

Kobe probably got 100% of the votes 6-7 years ago srs

[russwest0]

Kobe probably got 100% of the votes 6-7 years ago srs

Yeah I was wondering that :lol

Passing of the torch :oldlol:

[Rake2204]

Kobe probably got 100% of the votes 6-7 years ago srsYeah, just picked a year at random - 2007-08 looked like this:

1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 88.5%
2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver 3.8%
t-3.Tim Duncan, San Antonio 3.8%
Steve Nash, Phoenix 3.8%

Edit: Bryant was at 88.9% the next year (08-09) but then only around 74% the year prior (06-07).

Here's 09's: http://www.nba.com/2008/tipoff/10/21/gmsurvey.misc/index.html

[riseagainst]

Yeah, just picked a year at random - 2007-08 looked like this:

1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 88.5%
2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver 3.8%
t-3.Tim Duncan, San Antonio 3.8%
Steve Nash, Phoenix 3.8%


:eek:

[Rake2204]

Just for fun, here's 03's:

Oct. 22: Who is the player most likely to make a last-second shot if a game depended on it?
Kobe Bryant - 42.3%
Reggie Miller - 38.5%
Michael Jordan - 15.4%
Allen Iverson - 3.8%

Oct. 7: If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?
Shaquille O'Neal - 64.0%
Tim Duncan - 28.0%
Kobe Bryant - 4.0%
Tracy McGrady - 4.0%

Also, Pop then:

Oct: 16: Who is the best head coach in the NBA?
Phil Jackson - 38.5%
Larry Brown - 26.9%
Rick Adelman - 7.7%
Pat Riley - 7.7%
Jerry Sloan - 7.7%
Doug Collins - 3.8%
Nate McMillan - 3.8%
Flip Saunders - 3.8%

vs. Pop now:

Who is the best head coach in the NBA?
1. Gregg Popovich, San Antonio -- 92.9%

[russwest0]

Yeah, just picked a year at random - 2007-08 looked like this:

1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 88.5%
2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver 3.8%
t-3.Tim Duncan, San Antonio 3.8%
Steve Nash, Phoenix 3.8%

Edit: Bryant was at 88.9% the next year (08-09) but then only around 74% the year prior (06-07).

Here's 09's: http://www.nba.com/2008/tipoff/10/21/gmsurvey.misc/index.html

God damn lol, makes you remember truly how much of a killer Kobe was. I mean he's 36 years old coming off a serious injury and still #2 on the list :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

http://i.gyazo.com/5dae5ce319163b1b3804f5efc521761f.png

In his fairness, Kobe's and LeBron's clutch numbers aren't good either (At least for LeBron in the regular season), but he's not clutch... Few players today I would classify as clutch.

The "Who do you want taking the last shot" is flawed...

Normally you'd want a correct basketball play being run and a shooter taking a somewhat open shot....

Now if you ignore that, go solely ISO situations, self created, then look at all the superstars/high volume guys in these situations, where Dirk/Johnson/Denver Melo have some great percentages...

[Jailblazers7]

give me Lillard

[russwest0]

AW coming in with his usual stupid shit.... :roll:

Kobe has always been the guy to go to for the last shot and now it's pretty clearly Durant.

Durant had some insane game winners last year. That one in double OT vs the Raptors when OKC was down like 8 with a minute to go... That one over 3 players vs Atlanta.... That one where he crossed up a player and hit the stepback 2 vs Minnesota...

The bottom line is you can't hit the shots if you don't take them. Didn't Hibbert say that he was surprised when LeBron came up to him and told him he was passing up the final shot to Bosh and did just that for a miss?

:lol

OKC has looked horrible without Durant because Brooks doesn't have that guy he can say "pass him the ball and let him bail the team out" every other play.

[Milbuck]

KD is a great pick, as is a healthy Kobe...

But it's gotta be Damian Lillard for me.

Seriously, off the top of your head, how many playoff buzzer beating game winners can you think of that are better than his from last year's playoffs?

Lebron

[BuffaloBill]

http://i.gyazo.com/5dae5ce319163b1b3804f5efc521761f.png

In his fairness, Kobe's and LeBron's clutch numbers aren't good either (At least for LeBron in the regular season), but he's not clutch... Few players today I would classify as clutch.

The "Who do you want taking the last shot" is flawed...

Normally you'd want a correct basketball play being run and a shooter taking a somewhat open shot....

Now if you ignore that, go solely ISO situations, self created, then look at all the superstars/high volume guys in these situations, where Dirk/Johnson/Denver Melo have some great percentages...



I'll take Durant. Maybe Lillard.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll take Durant. Maybe Lillard.

Lillard is a cold mother****er.... I felt that shot going in (Rockets G6)... Plus Westbrook, Dirk, Ginobili, Paul.... I'd roll with them.

[russwest0]

[QUOTE=Milbuck]KD is a great pick, as is a healthy Kobe...

But it's gotta be Damian Lillard for me.

Seriously, off the top of your head, how many playoff buzzer beating game winners can you think of that are better than his from last year's playoffs?

Lebron

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=Milbuck]KD is a great pick, as is a healthy Kobe...

But it's gotta be Damian Lillard for me.

Seriously, off the top of your head, how many playoff buzzer beating game winners can you think of that are better than his from last year's playoffs?

Lebron

[russwest0]

I must say though, after Lillard hit that shot I was praying that they'd beat the Spurs only to see Westbrook MURDER Lillard in the WCF because of the overhype Lillard was getting with some people acting like he was better than Westbrook.

[BuffaloBill]

Lillard hit multiple game winners last year. Reminded me of DRose that year he got hurt.

[Milbuck]

I must say though, after Lillard hit that shot I was praying that they'd beat the Spurs only to see Westbrook MURDER Lillard in the WCF because of the overhype Lillard was getting with some people acting like he was better than Westbrook.
Eh Westbrook still got to destroy TP in the WCF, think that sealed it as him being the most dominant PG in the game.

The Lillard hype definitely got out of hand about him as an overall player...but I think talking purely about clutchness, it's all warranted.

[kshutts1]

Who is the best head coach in the NBA?
1. Gregg Popovich, San Antonio -- 92.9%
Who didn't pick Pop? WTF? Best coach EVER, much less now.

[russwest0]

Who didn't pick Pop? WTF? Best coach EVER, much less now.

Don't underrate Rick Carlisle. If he's not 1b to Popovich then he's pretty clearly #2 with no one else being close.

[ArbitraryWater]

Eh Westbrook still got to destroy TP in the WCF, think that sealed it as him being the most dominant PG in the game.

The Lillard hype definitely got out of hand about him as an overall player...but I think talking purely about clutchness, it's all warranted.


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Eddie-Murphy-Is-Not-Sure-About-His-Approval-Head-Nod.gif

[russwest0]

Eh Westbrook still got to destroy TP in the WCF, think that sealed it as him being the most dominant PG in the game.

The Lillard hype definitely got out of hand about him as an overall player...but I think talking purely about clutchness, it's all warranted.

It didn't seal shit because the CP3 hype continues.... long after Westbrook murdered him as well...

I guess it's in large part due to the fact that Westbrook doesn't give a f*ck about the media or his own personal image.

[tpols]

No surprise Lebron isnt on that list


Ancient, crippled Kobe is still more clutch than peak bran :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Durant is literally in another universe

[Heavincent]

Yeah, just picked a year at random - 2007-08 looked like this:

1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 88.5%
2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver 3.8%
t-3.Tim Duncan, San Antonio 3.8%
Steve Nash, Phoenix 3.8%

Edit: Bryant was at 88.9% the next year (08-09) but then only around 74% the year prior (06-07).

Here's 09's: http://www.nba.com/2008/tipoff/10/21/gmsurvey.misc/index.html

:bowdown:

[Milbuck]

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Eddie-Murphy-Is-Not-Sure-About-His-Approval-Head-Nod.gif
Elaborate.

[fpliii]

No surprise Lebron isnt on that list


Ancient, crippled Kobe is still more clutch than peak bran :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Durant is literally in another universe
lol he actually is tied for second on that link, but 7.7% isn't something to write home about really. Melo and Curry also received votes.

I'm surprised Lillard didn't get a single vote. Without looking at the numbers, Westbrook is clutch too IMO.

[kshutts1]

Don't underrate Rick Carlisle. If he's not 1b to Popovich then he's pretty clearly #2 with no one else being close.
I'm not. Carlisle is fine. But the only reason I call Pop the GOAT (super difficult for me to do; I rank players in tiers) is because of his versatility as a coach.

Jackson has always had stud players, and always run the same (basically) offense.
Riley had the "showtime" Lakers, then the defensive-oriented Heat, but they didn't win titles.
Can't speak for Red or Holzman.

I'm not sure, but Pop is the only coach that I can think of that's won titles with (at least) two distinctly different team philosophies.

[Dro]

Kblaze did say Russ that you would use this to support your argument in another topic, even though you were critical of the gm's choices in the other thread.....

But, I think Durant is very clutch actually....

[SexSymbol]

http://i.gyazo.com/5dae5ce319163b1b3804f5efc521761f.png

In his fairness, Kobe's and LeBron's clutch numbers aren't good either (At least for LeBron in the regular season), but he's not clutch... Few players today I would classify as clutch.

The "Who do you want taking the last shot" is flawed...

Normally you'd want a correct basketball play being run and a shooter taking a somewhat open shot....

Now if you ignore that, go solely ISO situations, self created, then look at all the superstars/high volume guys in these situations, where Dirk/Johnson/Denver Melo have some great percentages...

An open shot at the end of the game is probably the hardest shot for a role player or even a regular starter to take, HUGE pressure.
When you have a defender in front of you, adrenaline takes over, that's why people who are the best at it, Kobe, Dirk, MJ, Bird, will always be chosen over guys who choose the "correct basketball play" but not the correct clutch time play

[navy]

Kblaze did say Russ that you would use this to support your argument in another topic, even though you were critical of the gm's choices in the other thread.....

But, I think Durant is very clutch actually....
Russ has to be retarded. Literally ethers himself daily. :oldlol:


No surprise Lebron isnt on that list


Ancient, crippled Kobe is still more clutch than peak bran :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Durant is literally in another universe
How about you actually check the survey before posting. :facepalm

[Myth]

I must say though, after Lillard hit that shot I was praying that they'd beat the Spurs only to see Westbrook MURDER Lillard in the WCF because of the overhype Lillard was getting with some people acting like he was better than Westbrook.

Nobody was saying Lillard was better than Westbrook though. Not sure why you got so defensive about him.

[VeeCee15]

I think some of the GM's got confused by the question and interpreted it literally. "Who takes the final shot"?

Kobe, obviously. Every game.

[#number6ix#]

Joe Johnson should've been in that list

[shmozzle]

Trey burke. Clutch gawd.

[pauk]

It just makes sense.... he is a perimeter playing pure shooter at 6'11"... he can get a comfortable jumper of 24-7.....

[ArbitraryWater]

An open shot at the end of the game is probably the hardest shot for a role player or even a regular starter to take, HUGE pressure.
When you have a defender in front of you, adrenaline takes over, that's why people who are the best at it, Kobe, Dirk, MJ, Bird, will always be chosen over guys who choose the "correct basketball play" but not the correct clutch time play

You can always get a better shot running a play than letting someone go isolation... If you just put the ball in the hands of an individual and let them make a play or score, then I want someone like LeBron... Can get to the basket or find the open man when doubled.

[russwest0]

Nobody was saying Lillard was better than Westbrook though. Not sure why you got so defensive about him.

There were plenty of retards saying that. Trying to pull the tired IQ argument among a bunch of other shit. Lillard had became the next Kobe for a little while in some peoples minds.

He's still one of my favorite point guards though. I think half of the overhype that happened was because everybody hates the Rockets :oldlol:

[fpliii]

There were plenty of retards saying that. Trying to pull the tired IQ argument among a bunch of other shit. Lillard had became the next Kobe for a little while in some peoples minds.

He's still one of my favorite point guards though. I think half of the overhype that happened was because everybody hates the Rockets :oldlol:
Agree with every word of this post. He's growing on me a bit now that we're further removed from the ROTY thing. Enjoy watching him play for sure.

[russwest0]

Russ has to be retarded. Literally ethers himself daily. :oldlol:

I didn't ether shit. the GM survey is meaningless as hell and not anywhere in my post did I say or imply that it wasn't.

It's people like you who are retarded, always reaching and grasping for straws when they aren't there.

[Thorn]

Just for fun, here's 03's:

Also, Pop then:

Oct: 16: Who is the best head coach in the NBA?
Phil Jackson - 38.5%
Larry Brown - 26.9%
Rick Adelman - 7.7%
Pat Riley - 7.7%
Jerry Sloan - 7.7%
Doug Collins - 3.8%
Nate McMillan - 3.8%
Flip Saunders - 3.8%

vs. Pop now:

Who is the best head coach in the NBA?
1. Gregg Popovich, San Antonio -- 92.9%
Flip Saunders and McMillan over Pop in 03

man that looks absolutely horrendous in hindsight

[JT123]

I must say though, after Lillard hit that shot I was praying that they'd beat the Spurs only because Durant is too beta to beat a real team
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[Element]

Flip Saunders and McMillan over Pop in 03

man that looks absolutely horrendous in hindsight

that just prove most GMs are stupid when it comes to assessing coaches. It's why you saw horrible coaches get hired left and right in that era (in the east, that is).

[Crimsonrain777]

http://www.nba.com/news/features/john_schuhmann/nba-com-2014-15-gm-survey/index.html


Durant did hit some crazy ass game winners last season so I guess It's no surprise :lol The year before he was in the lead only getting 39% of the votes though.

that one game in the playoffs where he hit a three right before falling out of bounds was just magical... i'm not sure if it was a game winner but it was during a close game.