Swap Wade & Kobe in '09 & '10

[SouBeachTalents]

How would the Heat do with Kobe and the Lakers do with Wade in those two seasons? Would either of them win a ring in that time span?

[ArbitraryWater]

Hmm.. Lets be real, Lakers would win both years.

[JT123]

Same results. Kobe with 2 first round exits and Wade with 2 rings, only he doesn't need Gasol and the refs to bail him out in game 7. :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

2010 would be "tougher", but if I had to bet, I wouldn't against Wade. 2 rings.

Kobe gets past the Hawks in 2009 and likely falls to Cleveland in the semis. 2010 same results.

[imdaman99]

Lakers likely still win. Wade was still dominant. Although Kobe was unreal in both Western Conference Finals and Lakers won in 6. Does Wade play as dominant on the road in hostile environments? I'm not sure.

[Papaya Petee]

Same thing, Wade was individually a little better than Kobe in those years. (At least 2009)

Kobe might of beaten the Hawks in 2009 with the Heat, Wades back injury held him back that series.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lets be real, take any player in nba history and put them in Kobes position & they have the same results or better

- ISH

[BasedTom]

Wade was awesome in those years. I mean it's not that easy to just say "Oh yeah they'd win for sure" since you have to account for style of play (kobe had much more experience with Phil Jackson) how they fit with the rest of their team-mates, all that stuff.

The Heat were preparing for the 2010 offseason, so they didn't have much of a team at all besides Wade. I really doubt any individual player could just be plugged in and turn that squad into a championship-calibur team. Even Kobe.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The floor spacing for the lakers would be awful.

Kobe was taking 5-6 threes per game in the playoffs which kept the defense honest.

Wade shooting 6 threes per game wouldn't be pretty..

[ArbitraryWater]

Lets be real, take any player in nba history and put them in Kobes position & they have the same results or better

- ISH

That's not it... But Kobe's cast was strong, and LeBron was a better player at this stage...

Only the guys from the top tier could replace Kobe.

LeBron, Wade, Dirk, Paul.. Howard with the equivalent of a cast fit for him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The floor spacing for the lakers would be awful.

Kobe was taking 5-6 threes per game in the playoffs which kept the defense honest.

Wade shooting 6 threes per game wouldn't be pretty..

Wade more than makes up for that w/ his flawless mid-long range game. I think he shot a career best from 16-feet out those seasons.

[BasedTom]

Same results. Kobe with 2 first round exits and Wade with 2 rings, only he doesn't need Gasol and the refs to bail him out in game 7. :confusedshrug:
Weren't you shitting on Wade before and acting like it was a basketball miracle that Lebron won at all with the Heat? Now that Kobe is being brought up in the discussion, Wade is suddenly getting respect from you again.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade more than makes up for that with his flawless mid-long range game. I think he shot a career best from 16-feet out those seasons.

The 2 guards needs to be a 3pt threat to fully maximize triangle

[GrapeApe]

Same results ultimately but the style of play would be a bit different for each team.

[Inactive]

Same result.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The 2 guards needs to be a 3pt threat to fully maximize triangle

So does being a playmaker - and Wade is a better one. That Laker team is a better 3PT shooting team w/ Wade's inside-out passing.

[Young X]

The 2 guards needs to be a 3pt threat to fully maximize triangleSeemed to work just fine when Kobe shot 25% from 3 in 2002. :confusedshrug:

[GrapeApe]

The 2 guards needs to be a 3pt threat to fully maximize triangle

I'm sure Phil would have been able to fully utilize/maximize Wade's abilities in different ways. Like I said, the style would be slightly different but I think the end result would be the same.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Seemed to work just fine when Kobe shot 25% from 3 in 2002. :confusedshrug:

True, but the comparison is '09 and '10. You can get away with shooting 25% w/ peak Shaq. :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

That's not it... But Kobe's cast was strong, and LeBron was a better player at this stage...

Only the guys from the top tier could replace Kobe.

LeBron, Wade, Dirk, Paul.. Howard with the equivalent of a cast fit for him.
Lmfao..Paul and Howard are not winning on those 2009 and 2010 teams. Even if you change the roster style to fit Dwight. And Dirk is no guarantee either, although I could see him winning in 2009.

Is CP3 putting up 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF? Or 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS in the finals?

Is CP3 putting up 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF? And people trash Kobe's 2010 Finals because of that game 7...but he did put up 30/7/4/2/1 on 56% TS over the first 6 games..not sure CP3 does that against that Celtics team.

[G0ATbe]

No, but swap Wade and 07 LeBald and he doesnt get swept by the Spurs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Seemed to work just fine when Kobe shot 25% from 3 in 2002. :confusedshrug:

good thing he shot 38% on even more attempts per game once the post season rolled around huh?

dumbass

[Smoke117]

Wade ate that 2010 Celtics team up in the first round:

33.2ppg 5.6rpg 6.8apg 1.8spg 1.6spg .562%fg .405%3pt

Second leading scorer was Chalmers at 10.8ppg...you could replace Wade with anyone and that Heat team would still have no chance vs the Celtics.

Considering what he did to the Celtics...The Lakers wouldn't have needed 7 games to beat them in the finals with Wade.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe leads his Team to victory in a weak ass conference. Because he would have gotten the most outta guys like Beasley early on.

[TheMarkMadsen]

True, but Wade shot 32% in 2009, Kobe shot 33% in 2010. Not that big a difference. Don`t know why people think Kobe is some godlike 3pt shooter.

how many times you gonna lie in this thread?

Kobe shot 37% on 6 attempts per game during the playoffs

[Inactive]

how many times you gonna lie in this thread?

Kobe shot 37% on 6 attempts per game during the playoffsWade shot 36% on 7 attempts per game in 09, and 40% on 7 attempts in 10. Shifting to playoff stats doesn't help your case.

[Young X]

good thing he shot 38% on even more attempts per game once the post season rolled around huh?

dumbassWade shot 41% on 7 attempts against the Celtics in the 2010 post season. Get off Kobe`s dick.

[JT123]

Weren't you shitting on Wade before and acting like it was a basketball miracle that Lebron won at all with the Heat? Now that Kobe is being brought up in the discussion, Wade is suddenly getting respect from you again.
Wade fell off big time over the last 2 seasons, that can't be denied. However, he was ELITE in 2009 and 2010. I give respect when it is due. :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade shot 36% on 7 attempts per game in 09, and 40% on 7 attempts in 10. Shifting to playoff stats doesn't help your case.

you're comparing a 6 game playoff and a 7 game playoff to a 23 game span and another 23 game span..

and i've been talking playoff stats the entire time.. my initial post was about playoff stats.. not "shifting" anything

it was Young X who "shifted" to regular season stats when he brought up Kobe 02..

and then he looked like a dumbass because Kobe shot significantly better on even more attempts come playoff time

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade shot 41% on 7 attempts against the Celtics in the 2010 post season. Get off Kobe`s dick.

you really thought you were slick trying to say Kobe shot 25% in 02, check the playoff stats next time before coming off like a dumbass :roll: :applause:

and cool, wade shot 40% over 7 games, doesn't mean he can sustain that over a championship run while still shooting 6-7 threes per game

in fact.. the very next year in 2011 over a 21 game span.. Wade shot 27% on less than 3 attempts per game..

so there goes that..

[Inactive]

you're comparing a 6 game playoff and a 7 game playoff to a 23 game span and another 23 game span..

and i've been talking playoff stats the entire time.. my initial post was about playoff stats.. not "shifting" anything

it was Young X who "shifted" to regular season stats when he brought up Kobe 02..

and then he looked like a dumbass because Kobe shot significantly better on even more attempts come playoff timeWade is a career .326 in the playoffs; Kobe is a career .331.


you really thought you were slick trying to say Kobe shot 25% in 02, check the playoff stats next time before coming off like a dumbass :roll: :applause:

and cool, wade shot 40% over 7 games, doesn't mean he can sustain that over a championship run while still shooting 6-7 threes per game

in fact.. the very next year in 2011 over a 21 game span.. Wade shot 27% on less than 3 attempts per game..

so there goes that..And Kobe shot 29% on 4.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade is a career .326 in the playoffs; Kobe is a career .331.

you're not helping your point..

Wade shoots less than 2 threes per game in the playoffs for his career..

Kobe shoots 4 threes per game for his playoff career..

not to mention Kobe has 70 more playoff games played

During Wade's last championship run he shot 0.2 threes per game..

[Young X]

you really thought you were slick trying to say Kobe shot 25% in 02, check the playoff stats next time before coming off like a dumbass :roll: :applause:

and cool, wade shot 40% over 7 games, doesn't mean he can sustain that over a championship run while still shooting 6-7 threes per gameI didn`t know we were just talking about playoff stats. You got me.

They both faced the same Celtics team in 2010. Wade played significantly better and shot 9% higher from 3 on the same amount of attempts. Talk about it.

[Inactive]

you're not helping your point..

Wade shoots less than 2 threes per game in the playoffs for his career..

Kobe shoots 4 threes per game for his playoff career..

not to mention Kobe has 70 more playoff games played

During Wade's last championship run he shot 0.2 threes per game..
You're saying Wade's numbers in 09 and 10 don't count, because he didn't play enough games. His career numbers don't count, because he doesn't attempt enough. Regular season numbers don't count. So what numbers are we allowed to use to compare them?

[TheMarkMadsen]

And Kobe shot 29% on 4.

okay :confusedshrug:

When Wade has gone on long playoff his three point attempts are always under 3 attempts per game. His highest during a finals run was 2.5 in 2011..

Wade has never sustained his "40% 3pt shooting on 7 attempts per game" over the course of a long playoff run because he can't..

Kobe has b2b championship runs where he shot 35%+ on 5-6 three point attempts per game

so i'm not really sure the point you're trying to make..

that Wade could sustain those %'s while still attempting 7 threes per game over a 20+ game playoff run? Because there is absolutly nothing to suggest that, and is actually the opposite of how he's played during his finals runs..

:confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're saying Wade's numbers in 09 and 10 don't count, because he didn't play enough games. His career numbers don't count, because he doesn't attempt enough. Regular season numbers don't count. So what numbers are we allowed to use to compare them?

when did i say they don't count?

i'm saying that using a 7 game span from a losing series to try and show that he could sustain those numbers over a 20+ game finals run is absolutly ridiculous..

it's completely silly to compare %'s from a 7 game span and compare it to a 23 game span where the competition is getting increasingly harder

look at his actual 20+ game playoff runs.. his 3pt attempts are nowhere close to what they were in 09 & 10

it's just not how he plays

the only time he's attempted more than 2 threes per game over a long playoff run he shot 27%..

Wade doesn't even like to shoot 3's

[CelticBaller]

can someone post 09 wade stats?

I hate the dude but who here really believes the lakers wouldn't have won in 09 with wade?

[GrapeApe]

I'm not sure why people are focusing on 3 point shooting. Jordan wasn't a good 3 point shooter and '09 and '10 Wade is probably the closest we've seen to first 3peat Jordan in terms of playing styles. I have no doubt Phil would have made it work and taken full advantage of Wade's strengths.

[Smoke117]

I'm not sure why people are focusing on 3 point shooting. Jordan wasn't a good 3 point shooter and '09 and '10 Wade is probably the closest we've seen to first 3peat Jordan in terms of playing styles. I have no doubt Phil would have made it work and taken full advantage of Wade's strengths.

Haven't you been listening to Mark Madsen...genius expert on the Triangle offense?...:facepalm He has no idea what he is talking about as far as the triangle offense. Wade being a 3pt shooter doesn't matter in the Triangle offense. The Triangle is not for your stars...it's for your role players. Neither Jordan nor Pippen were shooting 3pters in the first 3peat and they did just fine. Must have been a miracle that the 91, 92 Bulls won it all then using the triangle since nobody even averaged one 3pt make during the regular season or playoffs.

[Inactive]

when did i say they don't count?

i'm saying that using a 7 game span from a losing series to try and show that he could sustain those numbers over a 20+ game finals run is absolutly ridiculous..

it's completely silly to compare %'s from a 7 game span and compare it to a 23 game span where the competition is getting increasingly harder

look at his actual 20+ game playoff runs.. his 3pt attempts are nowhere close to what they were in 09 & 10

it's just not how he plays

the only time he's attempted more than 2 threes per game over a long playoff run he shot 27%..

Wade doesn't even like to shoot 3'sHe had two 20+ game playoff runs when he was relatively healthy. He shot 38% in one (2006), and 27% in the other (2011). Kobe shot just as badly in 2011, and 2012. Kobe shot just as badly for his career.

They've each had 5 20+ game playoff runs in their careers. Kobe averaged .325 in his. Wade averaged .318 in his.

Wade shot 36-40% on 7+ attempts, two years in a row. Those are the only years he attempted more than 2.5 shots. Those are also the years in which he attempted career high regular season 3PA, so it's not a coincidence that he took more in the playoffs. Those happen to the two years we're comparing.


can someone post 09 wade stats?

I hate the dude but who here really believes the lakers wouldn't have won in 09 with wade?30.2/5/7.5 2.2 steals 1.3 blocks .491/.317 shooting.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmfao..Paul and Howard are not winning on those 2009 and 2010 teams. Even if you change the roster style to fit Dwight. And Dirk is no guarantee either, although I could see him winning in 2009.

Is CP3 putting up 34/6/6/1/1 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF? Or 32/6/7/1/1 on 53% TS in the finals?

Is CP3 putting up 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF? And people trash Kobe's 2010 Finals because of that game 7...but he did put up 30/7/4/2/1 on 56% TS over the first 6 games..not sure CP3 does that against that Celtics team.

CP3 is putting up 22/6/13 with superior defense while shitting on Kobe's efficiency :confusedshrug:

You think he gets outplayed by Nash?

His control of the game would make sure of everything...

I didn't realize you were such a stat whore tbh. You thinks so little about the game besides what the box score tells you.

CP3 won't ever put up that many ppg, but baskets can be created by the unit... Paul won't be the one finishing it, but he'll give you 12+ apg on those Laker teams while contributing with 20 something points.

Pretty sure LeBron/Wade/Dirk/Paul win with those teams... Howard is hard because you'd need to flip the strength of those bigs on guards... Say for Gasol, he gets, Rondo... About 2rd aswell among PG's (2010), and similar league-wide... Then another all-around hydro ala Odom, or KEEP Odom?

That's another team that could very well compete for the title...

[Milbuck]

CP3 is putting up 22/6/13 with superior defense while shitting on Kobe's efficiency :confusedshrug:

You think he gets outplayed by Nash?

His control of the game would make sure of everything...

I didn't realize you were such a stat whore tbh. You thinks so little about the game besides what the box score tells you.

CP3 won't ever put up that many ppg, but baskets can be created by the unit... Paul won't be the one finishing it, but he'll give you 12+ apg on those Laker teams while contributing with 20 something points.

Pretty sure LeBron/Wade/Dirk/Paul win with those teams... Howard is hard because you'd need to flip the strength of those bigs on guards... Say for Gasol, he gets, Rondo... About 2rd aswell among PG's (2010), and similar league-wide... Then another all-around hydro ala Odom, or KEEP Odom?

That's another team that could very well compete for the title...
LOL at you calling me a stat whore...except just yesterday you were talking up last year's Dwight as a top 5 player just because of his "efficiency"..and blatantly went against everything that was said by people who actually watched him.

And we're not talking about CP3's regular season.

CP3 actually played the 2009 Nuggets that Kobe absolutely destroyed for 34/6/6 on 63% TS....CP3 gave them 17/10 on 51% TS and got blown out 4 times in 5 games..including a monstrous 4 point performance in a 58 point slaughter. He's not even on the same planet as Kobe that year as far as playoff performance goes. Get your biases out of this.

And no, I don't think CP3 on the 2010 Lakers is beating that Suns team, and he is DAMN SURE not taking out the Celtics. No chance in hell. Again, I love how you throw out stats all the time, but the one time it doesn't work in your favor, you accuse people of being "stat whores". The fact of the matter is CP3 isn't touching Kobe's 2010 WCF of 34/7/8 on 64% TS and elite clutch play...he's just not doing it.

And 2009-2010 Dwight and Rondo aren't winning either. Nope. Dwight had a terrific cast around him in 2009..they had a terrific coach that knew how to coach around Dwight, and they surrounded him with shooters everywhere. We really gonna act like 18 ppg peak Rashard Lewis, 17 ppg peak Hedo, 17 ppg peak Jameer is some pile of trash now? They built a pretty good team around Dwight..and he came up short. Was absolutely shut down in the finals and turned into purely a rebounder and defender.

[ArbitraryWater]

Right, lets judge CP3 based on 5 1st round games....

Kobe sucked epically in the 1st round of 2010, but his team was capable of overcoming him...

What do you mean "efficiency" ? Who puts that in "" ? Lmfao...

Just another stan despising FG% and "efficiency"...

Big thanks for pointing out his 4-pointer, alters the overall statistics... Stats in a 58 point loss....

Why are you even talking about Paul through 5 games here? Lets do the same for 2009 Wade, right?

Paul was a MONSTER in the regular season.... THROUGH 82 GAMES.

23/6/11/3 on 50% FIELD GOAL :biggums: :bowdown:

Put up better stats than Wade ffs...

In every pro argument I've seen you in... "X isn't replacing Kobe's..." Nitpicking at its finest. They dont need to replace those exact stats... Learn something about basketball, then get back to me.

[Milbuck]

Right, lets judge CP3 based on 5 1st round games....

Kobe sucked epically in the 1st round of 2010, but his team was capable of overcoming him...

What do you mean "efficiency" ? Who puts that in "" ? Lmfao...

Just another stan despising FG% and "efficiency"...

Big thanks for pointing out his 4-pointer, alters the overall statistics... Stats in a 58 point loss....

Why are you even talking about Paul through 5 games here? Lets do the same for 2009 Wade, right?

Paul was a MONSTER in the regular season.... THROUGH 82 GAMES.

23/6/11/3 on 50% FIELD GOAL :biggums: :bowdown:

Put up better stats than Wade ffs...

In every pro argument I've seen you in... "X isn't replacing Kobe's..." Nitpicking at its finest. They dont need to replace those exact stats... Learn something about basketball, then get back to me.
He was an absolute monster in the regular season. No one was disputing that.

I just want to know where was that in the playoffs?

I know for a fact that when Lebron, Kobe, Durant as of recently put huge numbers in the regular season and underperform in the playoffs, they get TORN TO SHREDS. Durant put up ****ing 33/10/5/1/1 on 61% TS against the Clippers with 39/16/5 in the closeout game...and people still clowned him hard for that series because of some stupid meme about Paul guarding him.

Why the double standard for CP3 here? Are we not talking about playoffs here?

The funniest thing is that if Kobe in 2009 put up a 4 point game in a 58 point loss, a 14 point game in a 15 point loss, a 21 point game (37% FG) in a 29 point less...all in the same series....and not just that but in the first round, you would be one of the first if not THE first guy to spam this board and rip him apart.

Once again, I find it amusing how you don't see how thoroughly transparent your agenda is.

[Heavincent]

Not sure about Wade, but I can at least entertain the thought. Dude was a beast back then. But Howard and Paul? Come on now, those guys were one tier below Kobe, Wade, and Bran. Wasn't 09 the year CP3 got blown out by 60 at HOME in the playoffs? :oldlol:

Hell, CP3 hasn't even made the WCF with this Clippers team. Why not? You could make the case Paul wasn't even the best player on his team last year. Kobe didn't have any more help in 09 and 10 than Paul has had the last few years. You know what the difference is? He's just not as good or dominant as prime Kobe was. No shame in it. Guy is a great player, one of the best PG's of his generation...but not in the same tier as Kobe.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Dwyane Wade would win in both years, and probably wouldn't need Pau and Artest to bail him out.
Dwyane Wade isn't air-balling game winning attempts like Kobe.

[Heavincent]

Kobe sucked epically in the 1st round of 2010, but his team was capable of overcoming him...


Actually, Kobe put the clamps on Westbrook, who was killing Fisher in the first few games. That was arguably the biggest factor in the series.

Watch the games buddy.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Actually, Kobe put the clamps on Westbrook, who was killing Fisher in the first few games. That was arguably the biggest factor in the series.

Watch the games buddy.
D-Wade's defense>>>Kobe's

[Milbuck]

Actually, Kobe put the clamps on Westbrook, who was killing Fisher in the first few games. That was arguably the biggest factor in the series.

Watch the games buddy.
Lol at him calling other people stat whores and box score watchers :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

He was an absolute monster in the regular season. No one was disputing that.

I just want to know where was that in the playoffs?

I know for a fact that when Lebron, Kobe, Durant as of recently put huge numbers in the regular season and underperform in the playoffs, they get TORN TO SHREDS. Durant put up ****ing 33/10/5/1/1 on 61% TS against the Clippers with 39/16/5 in the closeout game...and people still clowned him hard for that series because of some stupid meme about Paul guarding him.

Why the double standard for CP3 here? Are we not talking about playoffs here?

The funniest thing is that if Kobe in 2009 put up a 4 point game in a 58 point loss, a 14 point game in a 15 point loss, a 21 point game (37% FG) in a 29 point less...all in the same series....and not just that but in the first round, you would be one of the first if not THE first guy to spam this board and rip him apart.

Once again, I find it amusing how you don't see how thoroughly transparent your agenda is.

This...

Chris Paul can't even make the conference Finals with:

Reddick/Crawford
Barnes
Griffin
Jordan

But he's gonna win the title with:

Brown
Artest
Gasol/Odom
Bynum

???

[Quizno]

2009 lakers win it all. 2010 i think not

[GrapeApe]

2009 lakers win it all. 2010 i think not

Why don't you think they win in '10? This is all hypothetical so I'm not saying your wrong but I'm curious about your reasoning.

[Dresta]

okay :confusedshrug:

When Wade has gone on long playoff his three point attempts are always under 3 attempts per game. His highest during a finals run was 2.5 in 2011..

Wade has never sustained his "40% 3pt shooting on 7 attempts per game" over the course of a long playoff run because he can't..

Kobe has b2b championship runs where he shot 35%+ on 5-6 three point attempts per game

so i'm not really sure the point you're trying to make..

that Wade could sustain those %'s while still attempting 7 threes per game over a 20+ game playoff run? Because there is absolutly nothing to suggest that, and is actually the opposite of how he's played during his finals runs..

:confusedshrug:
You're real dim man. Wade was taking loads of 3s in 09 and 10, because he had shitty teams and it's a low-energy shot. Fact is, like MJ, he never needed a 3 point shot (due to exceptional mid-range and ability to get to rim at any time), and so has only focused on it in these years. Why is that hard to understand? You don't just magically learn to shoot 3s a couple of years and then forget - you have shots you take in games and you work and practice on those. And it looks to only have been 09 and 10 when Wade worked on and regularly took these shots, so your sample size isn't big, but it still refutes your earlier assertion.

Wade has clearly demonstrated his ability to knock down 3s in the playoffs - you said he couldn't take 5 or 6 a game - turns out he took 7, two years in a row, shooting 36% and 41%, the latter being against the same team as Kobe faced and struggled against in the finals no less.



The floor spacing for the lakers would be awful.

Kobe was taking 5-6 threes per game in the playoffs which kept the defense honest.

Wade shooting 6 threes per game wouldn't be pretty..

That's what you said, and you have spent each and every post since that in this thread backtracking and using every type of verbal gymnastics available to deny that you were talking out of your ass.

[Doranku]

I don't think people remember how close the WCFs were both years. Sorry, but I don't have faith in Wade putting up 34/6/6 and 34/7/6 against the '09 Nuggets and '10 Suns respectively.

Especially when he only put up 29/5/5 on 44% against the lowly Hawks in '09. And remember, Kobe had a godlike jump shooting performance against the Suns in '10. Obviously the team would operate differently with Wade, but I don't think he has the offensive firepower to keep up with the Suns like Kobe did.

[ImKobe]

Actually, Kobe put the clamps on Westbrook, who was killing Fisher in the first few games. That was arguably the biggest factor in the series.

Watch the games buddy.

Also worth mentioning that Kobe in 2010 was 2013 D-Wade status health wise...had knee issues and got his knee drained during the OKC series...he just wasn't as consistent but he pulled off one all-time great series against the Suns...

Kobe dropped 34/7/8 on 52/43/88 shooting in that series and it was still a few plays away from going 7 and Suns coulda won it in 6 if Kobe played worse in that series(Lakers don't hit the GW at home, Kobe doesn't take over in Game 6)..He had two 36+pt 10+ ast games and two missed triple doubles...you think Wade would do that in the series?

And we're comparing prime Wade(27-28 yr old) to a past prime Kobe(30-31) here..If Wade was on that team at the same age, they wouldn't even make an NBA Finals...

[Dresta]

I don't think people remember how close the WCFs were both years. Sorry, but I don't have faith in Wade putting up 34/6/6 and 34/7/6 against the '09 Nuggets and '10 Suns respectively.

Especially when he only put up 29/5/5 on 44% against the lowly Hawks in '09. And remember, Kobe had a godlike jump shooting performance against the Suns in '10. Obviously the team would operate differently with Wade, but I don't think he has the offensive firepower to keep up with the Suns like Kobe did.
You're really making the argument that the 10 Suns could've possibly stopped Wade? A team that was a walking defensive catastrophe, with Nash, J-Rich, Amare, 38yo Grant Hill, Channing Frye & Barbosa - Wade would have torn them a new ass.

The 'lowly' Hawks were far more difficult to score against, particularly for Wade playing 1vs5. Joe Johnson was a better perimeter defender than any Pheonix player, and in Horford and Smith you had two mobile big men who could switch and put lots of pressure on Wade. Phoenix could never have defended Wade in this way.

[Sharmer]

not much difference.

[ImKobe]

You're really making the argument that the 10 Suns could've possibly stopped Wade? A team that was a walking defensive catastrophe, with Nash, J-Rich, Amare, 38yo Grant Hill, Channing Frye & Barbosa - Wade would have torn them a new ass.

The 'lowly' Hawks were far more difficult to score against, particularly for Wade playing 1vs5. Joe Johnson was a better perimeter defender than any Pheonix player, and in Horford and Smith you had two mobile big men who could switch and put lots of pressure on Wade. Phoenix could never have defended Wade in this way.

Kobe didn't just tear them a new ass, he gave em a rectal prolapse as well.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I don't think people remember how close the WCFs were both years. Sorry, but I don't have faith in Wade putting up 34/6/6 and 34/7/6 against the '09 Nuggets and '10 Suns respectively.

Especially when he only put up 29/5/5 on 44% against the lowly Hawks in '09. And remember, Kobe had a godlike jump shooting performance against the Suns in '10. Obviously the team would operate differently with Wade, but I don't think he has the offensive firepower to keep up with the Suns like Kobe did.
09' Hawks defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
10' Suns and 09' Nuggets defense

No, really, its not even close. Kobe had 17 pts and 10 pts in 2 games against them in 09.

[ImKobe]

09' Hawks defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
10' Suns and 09' Nuggets defense

No, really, its not even close.

Is that why 09 Nuggets defense was ranked above the Hawks defense? Better DRTG and at a much higher pace, too. Nene and Kenyon Martin worked really well together on D, Birdman averaged 2.5 bpg playing 20 minutes a game.. Their rim protection was on point and they were 5th in OPP FG%, only thing Atlanta had on them defensively was perimeter defense. Also Denver was a much better rebounding team..

[Doranku]

09' Hawks defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
10' Suns and 09' Nuggets defense

No, really, its not even close. Kobe had 17 pts and 10 pts in 2 games against them in 09.

Oh please. The Hawks got absolutely destroyed in the second round by the Cavs. I'm talking four straight losses by 27, 20, 15, and 10. I remember watching that series. They didn't even look like an NBA team at times. They were pathetic.

I don't care how much you want to twist reality ,the '09 Hawks were simply not a good team. After having the season that he had, it was inexcusable for Wade to lose that series... especially in the fashion that he lost.

With a chance to go up 3-1, Wade goes 9-26 for 22 points at home en route to a 10 point loss. In game 7, he went 10-25 for 31 points with as many turnovers as assists. He was outplayed by Joe Johnson. :oldlol:

No way do I have faith in him beating the Nuggets w/ the '09 Laker team. No way.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Oh please. The Hawks got absolutely destroyed in the second round by the Cavs. I'm talking four straight losses by 27, 20, 15, and 10. I remember watching that series. They didn't even look like an NBA team at times. They were pathetic.

I don't care how much you want to twist reality ,the '09 Hawks were simply not a good team. After having the season that he had, it was inexcusable for Wade to lose that series... especially in the fashion that he lost.

With a chance to go up 3-1, Wade goes 9-26 for 22 points at home en route to a 10 point loss. In game 7, he went 10-25 for 31 points with as many turnovers as assists. He was outplayed by Joe Johnson. :oldlol:

No way do I have faith in him beating the Nuggets w/ the '09 Laker team. No way.
Well of course you dont have. You are the Kobe fan for gods sake.
You are going around those facts that Kobe got humiliated by that same defense back in 09 where he shot <30% FG and scored about 13 ppg. How weak is that? Hawks perimeter defense is what made them so tough for players like Wade and Kobe. But they were not able to do anything to Lebron because he is so much more phisical and is playing more in the paint+ his vision and 3pt shooters in Cleveland = destroying of Hawks. But you cant understand that, because you are Kobe fan.

Wade put up 33 pts on 55%FG against those same Nuggets from 09 you retard.

[ArbitraryWater]

He was an absolute monster in the regular season. No one was disputing that.

I just want to know where was that in the playoffs?

I know for a fact that when Lebron, Kobe, Durant as of recently put huge numbers in the regular season and underperform in the playoffs, they get TORN TO SHREDS. Durant put up ****ing 33/10/5/1/1 on 61% TS against the Clippers with 39/16/5 in the closeout game...and people still clowned him hard for that series because of some stupid meme about Paul guarding him.

Why the double standard for CP3 here? Are we not talking about playoffs here?

The funniest thing is that if Kobe in 2009 put up a 4 point game in a 58 point loss, a 14 point game in a 15 point loss, a 21 point game (37% FG) in a 29 point less...all in the same series....and not just that but in the first round, you would be one of the first if not THE first guy to spam this board and rip him apart.

Once again, I find it amusing how you don't see how thoroughly transparent your agenda is.


No, we're not talking about the Playoffs here.... Why would we?

This guy balled out over 82 games, and you want to use a FIVE GAME SAMPLE, in a 1st round series he lost, in which he was the heavy Underdog without HCA?

What for? The only reason you'd want to do that, is if you truly believe CP3 folded, and therefore he wouldn't be able to pull off another good series on another good Team....

Which is why I give you Kobe 2010 as example. Crap 1st round, but a good Team and gets past it.... From then on he had 2 good series', one of them ATG good...

You need to use some logic here. What happened =/= What would happen on a stacked Team that will Play more than 1 round...

This isn't a Superstar ****ing up in a series with HCA and where he was favored to win... This is a 5-game sample of a series as Underdog.

I don't know, you tell me what would happen with CP3 on the Lakers...

They definitely won't need to go 7 against the Rockets, but then you expect him to put up those SAME numbers in the WCF? Now that he has a Team that won't get blown out most games?

And BTW, Kobe didn't put any clamps on anyone... lmfao.


Heavincent: The West from 2012-2014 is MILES stronger than the 2008-2010 West... Uncomparable.

Now give CP3 this current Team in 2008-2010? Lights out... Nobody has a Chance.

[SOD 21]

Yawn...

In related news, do the Chicago Bulls from 1996 to 1998 win multiple championships with either a prime Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade?

Does Chris Paul have multiple championships playing with the Detroit Pistons Bad Boys of the late 80s and early 90s in place of Isiah Thomas?

What happens if Magic Johnson and Larry Bird switch teams, do each of the superstars still win at least three championships apiece?

Does Kobe Bryant win more than two championships playing alongside of LeBron James in Miami?

Do the Lakers in the 1980s still win championships with Hakeem as their starting center instead of KAJ? Are those great Boston Celtic teams of the 1960s still a dynasty with Wilt instead of Bill Russell?

But I love these agenda driven threads to discredit certain players that are unpopular in this forum.

[tpols]

Wade was at his peak in those years.. 3rd best shooting guard ever.. If course he'd have a good chance at two peating

If you put their career paths on the same track though it'd be a different story because 09 Kobe would be like.. 2014 Wade and that guy wasn't winning anything with those teams

[chazzy]

CP3 got completely decimated by Dahntay Jones in 09 and was injured in 2010. At least Wade has made it past the 2nd round and performed well at some point in his career - why am I to assume CP3 can deliver the incredible performances needed in the WCF?

My only question with Wade is his durability. It seems almost every year besides 06 he's dealt with some injury. In 2009 he was already getting back spasms in the first round.

[Heavincent]

No, we're not talking about the Playoffs here.... Why would we?

This guy balled out over 82 games, and you want to use a FIVE GAME SAMPLE, in a 1st round series he lost, in which he was the heavy Underdog without HCA?

What for? The only reason you'd want to do that, is if you truly believe CP3 folded, and therefore he wouldn't be able to pull off another good series on another good Team....

Which is why I give you Kobe 2010 as example. Crap 1st round, but a good Team and gets past it.... From then on he had 2 good series', one of them ATG good...

You need to use some logic here. What happened =/= What would happen on a stacked Team that will Play more than 1 round...

This isn't a Superstar ****ing up in a series with HCA and where he was favored to win... This is a 5-game sample of a series as Underdog.

I don't know, you tell me what would happen with CP3 on the Lakers...

They definitely won't need to go 7 against the Rockets, but then you expect him to put up those SAME numbers in the WCF? Now that he has a Team that won't get blown out most games?

And BTW, Kobe didn't put any clamps on anyone... lmfao.


Heavincent: The West from 2012-2014 is MILES stronger than the 2008-2010 West... Uncomparable.

Now give CP3 this current Team in 2008-2010? Lights out... Nobody has a Chance.

You obviously didn't watch that OKC series then...Kobe did put the clamps on Westbrook. Go back and watch. Like I said, it was arguably the biggest factor in the series. Your argument is shit.

The west was still lethal back then. Kobe was facing a 50 win Thunder team in the FIRST round. 11 of the 12 teams he faced between 08 and 10 won 50 or more games.

Again, you know one of the reasons why the Lakers were so much better than the Hornets? Kobe was straight up better than Chris Paul. Are you seriously denying that? Paul was obviously great, but he's not Kobe. Put him on the Lakers and I don't think the Lakers even make the Finals. I think they lose to the Nuggets in 09 and to the Suns in 2010. Kobe had to be utterly dominant for the Lakers to squeak past those teams. Could Chris Paul replicate that type of dominance? I've never seen him do something like that in the playoffs, so I'm gonna say no.

[GrapeApe]

It's extremely flawed logic to point to Wade's playoff performance against the Hawks and assume it would translate equally under different circumstances. I don't feel I need to explain why.

I'm a fan of Kobe and I acknowledge how great he was during the 2009 and 2010 championship runs. However, there's no shame in admitting that arguably the 3rd best SG of all time at his peak would have similar success under similar circumstances. That in no way diminshes what Kobe accomplished.

On a side note, 1,000th post. :rockon:

[Heavincent]

My only question with Wade is his durability. It seems almost every year besides 06 he's dealt with some injury. In 2009 he was already getting back spasms in the first round.

Yeah, and he would be playing in a much tougher West. No first round byes like you get in the East.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yawn...

In related news, do the Chicago Bulls from 1996 to 1998 win multiple championships with either a prime Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade?

Does Chris Paul have multiple championships playing with the Detroit Pistons Bad Boys of the late 80s and early 90s in place of Isiah Thomas?

What happens if Magic Johnson and Larry Bird switch teams, do each of the superstars still win at least three championships apiece?

Does Kobe Bryant win more than two championships playing alongside of LeBron James in Miami?

Do the Lakers in the 1980s still win championships with Hakeem as their starting center instead of KAJ? Are those great Boston Celtic teams of the 1960s still a dynasty with Wilt instead of Bill Russell?

But I love these agenda driven threads to discredit certain players that are unpopular in this forum.

If his dad had just pulled out, would ISH be spared reading posts from this whiny f@ggot?

[Doranku]

Well of course you dont have. You are the Kobe fan for gods sake.
You are going around those facts that Kobe got humiliated by that same defense back in 09 where he shot <30% FG and scored about 13 ppg. How weak is that? Hawks perimeter defense is what made them so tough for players like Wade and Kobe. But they were not able to do anything to Lebron because he is so much more phisical and is playing more in the paint+ his vision and 3pt shooters in Cleveland = destroying of Hawks. But you cant understand that, because you are Kobe fan.

Wade put up 33 pts on 55%FG against those same Nuggets from 09 you retard.

Humiliated? You're basing this on a two game sample size, one of the games in which the Lakers blew the Hawks out and Kobe only played 25 minutes. The other was the 3rd game in 4 nights for the Lakers (all on the road) where the team as a whole shot 35% and only scored 76 points... fatigue obviously had more to do with the loss than anything.

Meanwhile, Wade's stellar performances against the '09 Nuggets led to two double digit losses including a 17 point romping at home. :lol Context, son. It matters.

[Wade's Rings]

I don't think people remember how close the WCFs were both years. Sorry, but I don't have faith in Wade putting up 34/6/6 and 34/7/6 against the '09 Nuggets and '10 Suns respectively.

Especially when he only put up 29/5/5 on 44% against the lowly Hawks in '09. And remember, Kobe had a godlike jump shooting performance against the Suns in '10. Obviously the team would operate differently with Wade, but I don't think he has the offensive firepower to keep up with the Suns like Kobe did.

:oldlol: Wade put up 32/5/3 on 53% shooting vs the '09 Nuggets & he put up 28/9/8 on 42% vs the 2010 Suns. With a much better team around him he could've won vs those Teams. Plus the '10 Suns are still nowhere close to the Defensive Team the '09 Hawks were.


Meanwhile, Wade's stellar performances against the '09 Nuggets led to two double digit losses including a 17 point romping at home. :lol Context, son. It matters.

The 17 Point "Romping" was a close Game until the last 4 Minutes. Billups hit 2 Contested 3s and 1 off Balance 3 to seal the Game away but yeah "romping" & "context" :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

To answer the original question I would say Yes Wade wins with the '09-10 Lakers. My concerns would come from the 2009 Rockets & 2010 Thunder who he struggled against. 26/4/7 shooting 37% vs the '09 Rockets & 23/5/7 with 39% shooting vs the '10 Thunder.

[Kobe_6/8]

Kobe on Heat:
Miss playoffs (narrowly) in '09
First-round exit in '10

Wade on Lakers:
'09 loses in 7 vs Rockets in 2nd round
'10 1st round upset, Thunder in 7

[Wade's Rings]

Kobe on Heat:
Miss playoffs (narrowly) in '09
First-round exit in '10

Wade on Lakers:
'09 loses in 7 vs Rockets in 2nd round
'10 1st round upset, Thunder in 7

In 2010 Kobe put up 24/4/4 shooting 41% vs the Thunder and they won. I know his Defense on Westbrook was key but I could still see Wade containing Westbrook.

[WayOfWade]

I think personally that Kobe would get over the Hawks in 09 and take the Celtics to 6 games in '10. As to why, well assuming he's still a Laker at heart, he'd go all out against the Celts, and wouldn't let PP get that game winner in game 3. As for Wade, I still think he'd win the two chips, although he'd have a harder time in 2009 seeing as D-Howard was there and Wade is a driver. 2010 he'd win too, at least I hope he would.

[Wade's Rings]

I think personally that Kobe would get over the Hawks in 09 and take the Celtics to 6 games in '10.As to why, well assuming he's still a Laker at heart, he'd go all out against the Celts, and wouldn't let PP get that game winner in game 3.

I used to think Kobe would've won vs the 2009 Hawks but looking at it now..2009 Kobe wouldn't have been able to carry the Heat, Offensively & Defensively, like Wade. If anything the Heat may have been a lower seed and still a 1st Round Exit. However if they faced the Hawks I believe Kobe beats them and then loses to Cleveland.

I doubt Kobe takes the Celtics to 6 Games in '10. Wade dropped 33/6/7 shooting 56% and they lost in 5. O'Neal averaged 2 pts on 15% shooting & Beasley averaged 8 pts on 33% shooting. Not much help.


As for Wade, I still think he'd win the two chips, although he'd have a harder time in 2009 seeing as D-Howard was there and Wade is a driver. 2010 he'd win too, at least I hope he would.

Wade averaged 38/6/5 on 53% shooting vs Orlando, he wasn't going to struggle with them. The 2009 Rockets gave him much more trouble.

In 2010 the Thunder gave him trouble but I think they get the Job Done...I'm iffy on 2009 because of the Rockets but I would assume Wade would step his game up.

[greatest-ever]

Kobe on Heat:
Miss playoffs (narrowly) in '09
First-round exit in '10

Wade on Lakers:
'09 loses in 7 vs Rockets in 2nd round
'10 1st round upset, Thunder in 7
You give a prime Wade, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and a top 5 goat coach and you think he'd lose to a super young KD and Westrook? LOL

[CAstill]

Wade on Lakers lose to rockets or nuggets in 09
Loses to 10 Sun in wcf

Kobe most likely loses in second round in 09 &10

[Heavincent]

That's not it... But Kobe's cast was strong, and LeBron was a better player at this stage...

Only the guys from the top tier could replace Kobe.

LeBron, Wade, Dirk, Paul.. Howard with the equivalent of a cast fit for him.

lmao

[Wade's Rings]

Wade on Lakers lose to rockets or nuggets in 09
Loses to 10 Sun in wcf

Kobe most likely loses in second round in 09 &10

No Way Wade loses to the '09 Nuggets & '10 Suns.

Kobe isn't getting out of the 1st Round In 2010.

[Wade's Rings]

lmao

I got to agree. There's no Way Paul beats the 2010 Celtics and idk how well he did vs the 2009 Rockets but Shane Battier would give him trouble IMO.

[kNicKz]

No Way Wade loses to the '09 Nuggets & '10 Suns.

Kobe isn't getting out of the 1st Round In 2010.

:coleman:

[CAstill]

No Way Wade loses to the '09 Nuggets & '10 Suns.

Kobe isn't getting out of the 1st Round In 2010.

He's definitely losing. Nuggets we're a better team in 09 and the 10 suns would of ran wade out the building.

Kobe would of had the best chance to beat the Celtics

[Wade's Rings]

:coleman:

What?

[STATUTORY]

Kobe haters always harping about hypotheticals. No I don't know if wade would have won with kobe's cast in 2009/2010, too many unknowns and uncertainties. It's impossible to extrapolate statistics across teams, let alone positions, in a dynamic game like basketball.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe haters always harping about hypotheticals. No I don't know if wade would have won with kobe's cast in 2009/2010, too many unknowns and uncertainties. It's impossible to extrapolate statistics across teams, let alone positions, in a dynamic game like basketball.

but that's all they've got left :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Wade's Rings]

He's definitely losing. Nuggets we're a better team in 09 and the 10 suns would of ran wade out the building.

Wade put 32/5/3 on 53% shooting vs the Nuggets in 2009. I don't see him losing with the '09 Lakers.

Wade dropped 28/9/8 shooting 42% vs the Suns. I Don't see how they possibly run him out of the building.


Kobe would of had the best chance to beat the Celtics

No not at all. Wade dropped 33/6/7 shooting 56% vs the Celtics and his team lost in 5. O'Neal averaged 2 pts on 15% shooting & Beasley put up 8 pts on 33% shooting. How in the world is Kobe winning that series with that kind of help?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade put 32/5/3 on 53% shooting vs the Nuggets in 2009. I don't see him losing with the '09 Lakers.

Wade dropped 28/9/8 shooting 42% vs the Suns. I Don't see how they possibly run him out of the building.



No not at all. Wade dropped 33/6/7 shooting 56% vs the Celtics and his team lost in 5. O'Neal averaged 2 pts on 15% shooting & Beasley put up 8 pts on 33% shooting. How in the world is Kobe winning that series with that kind of help?

Wade's numbers are from that series are deceiving, the Celtics were letting him do whatever he wanted.. the series wasn't even close

[Wade's Rings]

Wade's numbers are from that series are deceiving, the Celtics were letting him do whatever he wanted.. the series wasn't even close

He still torched them in the Regular Season and do you see anybody in NBA History winning with 10 pts on 24% shooting from their 2nd & 3rd Options?

[ShawkFactory]

Wade on Lakers lose to rockets or nuggets in 09
Loses to 10 Sun in wcf

Kobe most likely loses in second round in 09 &10
:lol

Wade against those Nuggets in 2009 would be absolutely hilarious. He would literally bend them over and get to it worse than that dude from irreversible. 35/7/6 for the series.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He still torched them in the Regular Season and do you see anybody in NBA History winning with 10 pts on 24% shooting from their 2nd & 3rd Options?

stop lying..

not that they were great or anything but chalmers and beasley averaged 11 & 10 ppg on 45% shooting..

Kobe was better than Wade in 2010, you can sit here and cling to the hypotheticals all day if you want, but nothing changes what did and what didn't happen, reality is reality, and Kobe repeated as FMVP in 09 & 10

imo Wade deserved the MVP in 09, but that doesn't mean he was the best player in the league. I don't think those Laker teams would have been good for Wade, no depth and with Wade absolutly no spacing,

plus i'm not even certain Wade's body could hold up for 3 straight finals trips as the go to guy..

[TheMarkMadsen]

for comparison..

Kobe torched the Spurs in the 08 WCF with his 2nd option averaging 13ppg on 44% & his 3rd option averaging 13 on 40%

Wade's 2nd option in 2010 averaged 11ppg on 45% and his 3rd option averaged 10ppg on 45%

your insinuation that Kobe couldn't win with his 2nd option playing poorly is bogus, he beat an 08 Spurs team with his teammates playing like shit.. and those 08 Spurs are better than any team that Wade has ever faced out east..

I don't think Wade has the consistency or durability to make 3 straight finals while winning two as the undisputed go to guy on the team..

[Prime_Shaq]

Wade was better than Kobe in 09 and both of them were pretty even in 10, but that being said I don't think Wade would fit that well with the Lakers. Kobe's shooting ability really opened up many opportunities for Gasol,Bynum and Odom. Winning the title depends on how the offense would change to fit all of them together.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade's numbers are from that series are deceiving, the Celtics were letting him do whatever he wanted.. the series wasn't even close
Yeah, because Pierce and Rivers didnt both say in their interviews their entire gameplan is on stopping Wade but they can't do it because hes too good.

Come game 4 when he had a 46/5/5 game in the fourth quarter he was literally not human hitting 3 after 3 after 3

GTFO

[plowking]

Wade's numbers are from that series are deceiving, the Celtics were letting him do whatever he wanted.. the series wasn't even close

Absolutely outed yourself as someone who didn't watch the series, or simply has an agenda. Full of shit, just like you've been in the past.

Wade was absolutely murdered with double teams. In fact, myself, and a lot of others were shocked by how much they were doubling Wade. So much so that I still haven't seen anything like it to this day for a perimeter player. Absolute disrespect to all his teammates. Dude was getting trapped at half court constantly.

Stop talking shit.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Absolutely outed yourself as someone who didn't watch the series, or simply has an agenda. Full of shit, just like you've been in the past.

Wade was absolutely murdered with double teams. In fact, myself, and a lot of others were shocked by how much they were doubling Wade. So much so that I still haven't seen anything like it to this day for a perimeter player. Absolute disrespect to all his teammates. Dude was getting trapped at half court constantly.

Stop talking shit.

Nah he actually has a point.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=5121019

The Celtics never tried to hide their game plan entering this Eastern Conference first-round series. The strategy all along was to let Wade get his (while doing their best to limit him) and challenge his 11 teammates to beat them.

It hasn't happened. It hasn't even been close.

The Celtics played Game 2 without their emotional leader, Kevin Garnett (one-game suspension), but cranked their defensive intensity to a KG-like level Tuesday night en route to a 106-77 triumph at the TD Garden.

"Our theory always is that the great players are going to be great. We try to make them shoot a poor percentage -- we've been unsuccessful in that part, but we can't let everybody else beat us as well.

"So we haven't had an adjustment as far as our game plan, but we have focused on everyone else. We've had a lot of focus on Wade, too, but what we don't want to do is be mesmerized by him, and letting everybody else get off."

Straight from the horses mouth.

I'm not hating on Wade, as he did have a REALLY good series, but in the game dude dropped 46 in, he saw few double-teams (all were weak), some traps, but mostly iso. I would say 80% of his points from the floor were off of iso.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZAj9ffagA

[AirFederer]

Two pretty straight forward rings with Wade on Lakers. Skill plus his great bbiq :cheers:

[macpierce]

There's a good chance Wade gets a ring with the Lakers but he doesn't fit as well as Kobe. Kobe's shooting ability opened the floor for his teammates especially against the Suns where he torched them from anywhere on the floor.

[plowking]

Nah he actually has a point.




No, he doesn't.

Typical PC answer from the other team. Dude was doubled more than any perimeter player I've seen.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No, he doesn't.

Typical PC answer from the other team. Dude was doubled more than any perimeter player I've seen.

Huh? There are hardly any doubles in the video I linked, and that's the game he went off in.

[plowking]

Huh? There are hardly any doubles in the video I linked, and that's the game he went off in.

There were plays Garnett and co literally went away from their man and simply went at Wade on the 3 point line. :oldlol:
And the video doesn't show misses either, and other plays.

It doesn't matter what the coach or players said. They say the same shit every game... "Both teams play hard"... "We gotta do what we gotta do"... etc.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

There were plays Garnett and co literally went away from their man and simply went at Wade on the 3 point line. :oldlol:
And the video doesn't show misses either, and other plays.

It doesn't matter what the coach or players said. They say the same shit every game... "Both teams play hard"... "We gotta do what we gotta do"... etc.

Yeah and they were weak. There were literally zero hard-doubles in the video I posted, or the game from what I remember.

There is also zero incentive and/or advantage Doc could gain by saying he's letting Wade "get his". Hell if anything that could work against him. :oldlol:

Stopping his teammates, and iso-ing with occasional doubles and soft traps is what the game plan was. Just a fact.

[Wade's Rings]

stop lying..

not that they were great or anything but chalmers and beasley averaged 11 & 10 ppg on 45% shooting..

Actually you're right. I mixed up the statistics. O'Neal put up 4pts on 20% shooting and Beasley 10pts on 45% shooting.


Kobe was better than Wade in 2010, you can sit here and cling to the hypotheticals all day if you want, but nothing changes what did and what didn't happen, reality is reality, and Kobe repeated as FMVP in 09 & 10

:oldlol: Nobody is clinging to the hypothetical. It's a What-If and it's fun to speculate what could've happened. When did I say that something changes what Kobe did? Or reality isn't reality? I'll repeat this, nobody is taking away from what Kobe did it's just fun to speculate.


imo Wade deserved the MVP in 09, but that doesn't mean he was the best player in the league.

Same with Kobe in '06.


I don't think those Laker teams would have been good for Wade, no depth and with Wade absolutly no spacing,

plus i'm not even certain Wade's body could hold up for 3 straight finals trips as the go to guy..

Wade's jumpshot was on the whole 2009 Season and from Post All-Star Break through the Playoffs Wade's jumper was falling in 2010.

Wade was hurt in 2008 the Lakers wouldn't have made the Finals that year...may have even missed the Playoffs.


for comparison..

Kobe torched the Spurs in the 08 WCF with his 2nd option averaging 13ppg on 44% & his 3rd option averaging 13 on 40%

Wade's 2nd option in 2010 averaged 11ppg on 45% and his 3rd option averaged 10ppg on 45%

your insinuation that Kobe couldn't win with his 2nd option playing poorly is bogus, he beat an 08 Spurs team with his teammates playing like shit..

Those same guys also got 20 rebounds & 7 Assists per Game. Chalmers & Beasley combined for 4 Assists per Game.


and those 08 Spurs are better than any team that Wade has ever faced out east..

2008 Spurs > 2005 & 2006 Pistons :applause: Hell the 2011 Celtics weren't that awful.


I don't think Wade has the consistency or durability to make 3 straight finals while winning two as the undisputed go to guy on the team..

Like I told you in your other post...Wade was hurt in 2008 the Lakers don't make the Finals and maybe even miss the Playoffs.

[ArbitraryWater]

making arguments for Bron is too easy those years.. just too overwhlemingly dominant :bowdown:

[Wade's Rings]

making arguments for Bron is too easy those years.. just too overwhlemingly dominant :bowdown:

How if 2010 includes the Quit Game?

[ShawkFactory]

How if 2010 includes the Quit Game?
I mean you could argue that. But it doesn't erase 2 years of absolute basketball brilliance.

[ArbitraryWater]

How if 2010 includes the Quit Game?

Still easy..nitpicking 1 game is always easy, Kobe's 2006 game 7 still doesn't take away from his play/ability that year.

LeBron in that same series: 27/9/7 on 45%

[Magic 32]

making arguments for Bron is too easy those years.. just too overwhlemingly dominant :bowdown:

Yes, Lebron dominates in fantasy and "what if's".