Shaq Dominating: 44 Pts in NBA 2001 Finals G1 PHI@LAL

[Round Mound]

The SHAQ-ATTACK!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKICLZfKMG0

:bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

peak shaq = goat

[navy]

5 rings doe.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

peak shaq = goat
Yup
Shaq
MJ
Bird
Hakeem
KAJ
Russell

best 6 peaks

[Round Mound]

Baylor and Barkley had One of the Greatest Peeks Ever But They Don`t Get Mentioned Because Lack of Rings.:rolleyes:

[sportjames23]

The SHAQ-ATTACK!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKICLZfKMG0

:bowdown:


GOAT 2000s player :bowdown:

[Rose'sACL]

Yup
Shaq
MJ
Bird
Hakeem
KAJ
LeBron
Wilt

best 7 peaks
fixed

[HOoopCityJones]

Goat Center.

[inclinerator]

Baylor and Barkley had One of the Greatest Peeks Ever But They Don`t Get Mentioned Because Lack of Rings.:rolleyes:
what were they peeking at?

[Round Mound]

what were they peeking at?

Ment Peak.

[Marchesk]

Yup
Shaq
MJ
Bird
Hakeem
KAJ
Russell

best 6 peaks

You're missing 24/24/8 on 68%, 68 wins, championship.

[CavaliersFTW]

You're missing 24/24/8 on 68%, 68 wins, championship.
He only played against weakling slow white guys like Willis Reed though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKL7y7n5_Rc

[AintNoSunshine]

:roll: @ people claiming Kobe's first 3 rings are some kind of testament to greatness. It's all Shaq. 6ers's big men are nothing but 6 fouls to give.

[HOoopCityJones]

:roll: @ people claiming Kobe's first 3 rings are some kind of testament to greatness. It's all Shaq. 6ers's big men are nothing but 6 fouls to give.

Shaq was without a doubt the best player on those championship runs. However.

Shaq would have got his ass knocked out by Timmy and Pop every single one of those years if it wasn't for Kobe.

[JohnMax]

Anyone notice how smooth Shaq moves. He's not stiff and mechanical like Dwight.

[HOoopCityJones]

Anyone notice how smooth Shaq moves. He's not stiff and mechanical like Dwight.

That's why Dwight gets him so fed up. :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

Can you imagine if Kobe had 44 points and lost!

He would have been blamed for that for the rest of his life.

Selfish Kobe ruins perfect postseason!

[LAZERUSS]

Down by as much as 15 points in the second half, that Laker team rallied to send the game into OT, where they would go on to lose. In fact, they forged a five point lead with about three minutes to go. Their only loss in 16 post-season games.

Only Milwaukee's 12-2 post-season run in '71, and Philly's 12-1 run in '83 were comparable.

[russwest0]

Shaq on his GOAT shit. What else is new.

Jordan
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe


= top 6 all time.

[9erempiree]

So people are saying Shaq is GOAT peak because he had a fantastic game 1 of the 2001 Finals.

Here are 2001 Playoff Stats.
http://s15.postimg.org/82dpdyciz/kobe.png

[swagga]

@ 2.43 summarizes kobe's contribution. :lol

peak shaq >>>>>>> peak anybody and anything else.jordan/wilt/bird/magic/cap/bron/duncan are/will be all better due to longevity with excellent production but peak wise shaq is the GOAT hands down.

Shaq is truly a once in a lifetime prospect. Imagine wilt (athletic marvel) and then add superior coordination, footwork, ball handling, explosion (comparing to young wilt), strength (Comparing to old wilt), use of the off hand and guard moves (that vid with the shimmy on jordan:applause: ) and an elite post game. And clutchness "i hit them when they count doe:lol ". Wilt was just better conditioned.

[ArbitraryWater]

So people are saying Shaq is GOAT peak because he had a fantastic game 1 of the 2001 Finals.

Here are 2001 Playoff Stats.
http://s15.postimg.org/82dpdyciz/kobe.png

Those are actually through 3 rounds, missing the finals.

And obviously Efficiency, Defense,

[swagga]

Those are actually through 3 rounds, missing the finals.

And obviously Efficiency, Defense,

they also miss that kobe was getting wiiiiide open shots because shaq was double/triple teamed on every possession. I'm just laughing right now because I remember those days, shaq was a freaking ogre on the court:oldlol:

[Bigsmoke]

Lol @ saying prime Shaq was better than MJ

[swagga]

Lol @ saying prime Shaq was better than MJ

LOL @ at your basketball understanding. Lemme say that twice. Dumb as bricks son.

[sportjames23]

Down by as much as 15 points in the second half, that Laker team rallied to send the game into OT, where they would go on to lose. In fact, they forged a five point lead with about three minutes to go. Their only loss in 16 post-season games.

Only Milwaukee's 12-2 post-season run in '71, and Philly's 12-1 run in '83 were comparable.


Bulls went 15-2 in 1991.

[STATUTORY]

wasn't that the only game they lost that entire championship run?

yea shaq attack alright

[Rake2204]

This game was on NBA TV a few months ago. It was a fun one to watch with my brothers, for they never saw prime Shaquille O'Neal. I personally was not a fan of his at the time either, so I think I glazed over a lot of his dominance because I was often rooting for his opponent to emerge victorious. But man, he was something.

I think my little brothers knew how good he was, but just assumed watching him play would be how watching Dwight Howard might look today. So they were a little surprised to see how far upon another level O'Neal seemed to be, and with such aggression.


So people are saying Shaq is GOAT peak because he had a fantastic game 1 of the 2001 Finals.

Here are 2001 Playoff Stats.
http://s15.postimg.org/82dpdyciz/kobe.pngWith respect, since the full playoff statistics are not that much different, why not just post those instead of that incomplete graphic, thus avoiding the inevitable responses pointing out the incompleteness of that photo?

Shaquille O'Neal - 2001 Playoffs
30.4ppg
15.4rpg
3.2apg
2.4bpg
.555 FG%

Kobe Bryant - 2001 Playoffs
29.4ppg
7.3rpg
6.1apg
1.6spg
.469 FG%


Can you imagine if Kobe had 44 points and lost!

He would have been blamed for that for the rest of his life.

Selfish Kobe ruins perfect postseason!Amongst sensible fans, I believe it'd depend upon whether Bryant scored 44 by taking 44 shots or if he Shaq'd it and just absolutely dominated by hitting over 60% of his shots. The former could point toward shot selection issues, an unwillingness to make the right play, or a singular inability to make shots at a solid clip (with an emphasis on could), while the latter tends to point to a player doing something very effective, very often, only for the game not to work out in his favor.

[ArbitraryWater]

This game was on NBA TV a few months ago. It was a fun one to watch with my brothers, for they never saw prime Shaquille O'Neal. I personally was not a fan of his at the time either, so I think I glazed over a lot of his dominance because I was often rooting for his opponent to emerge victorious. But man, he was something.

I think my little brothers knew how good he was, but just assumed watching him play would be how watching Dwight Howard might look today. So they were a little surprised to see how far upon another level O'Neal seemed to be, and with such aggression.

With respect, since the full playoff statistics are not that much different, why not just post those instead of that incomplete graphic, thus avoiding the inevitable responses pointing out the incompleteness of that photo?

Shaquille O'Neal - 2001 Playoffs
30.4ppg
15.4rpg
3.2apg
2.4bpg
.555 FG%

Kobe Bryant - 2001 Playoffs
29.4ppg
7.3rpg
6.1apg
1.6spg
.469 FG%

Amongst sensible fans, I believe it'd depend upon whether Bryant scored 44 by taking 44 shots or if he Shaq'd it and just absolutely dominated by hitting over 60% of his shots. The former could point toward shot selection issues, an unwillingness to make the right play, or a singular inability to make shots at a solid clip (with an emphasis on could), while the latter tends to point to a player doing something very effective, very often, only for the game not to work out in his favor.

:applause:

[ballinhun8]

Let's be serious here.


This was the Allen Iverson game. Not the Shaq game.

It's honestly one of the best all time Finals game and performances from a single player in my opinion (talking about AI).

[fourkicks44]

Let's be serious here.


This was the Allen Iverson game. Not the Shaq game.

It's honestly one of the best all time Finals game and performances from a single player in my opinion (talking about AI).

Word

[swagga]

This game was on NBA TV a few months ago. It was a fun one to watch with my brothers, for they never saw prime Shaquille O'Neal. I personally was not a fan of his at the time either, so I think I glazed over a lot of his dominance because I was often rooting for his opponent to emerge victorious. But man, he was something.

I think my little brothers knew how good he was, but just assumed watching him play would be how watching Dwight Howard might look today. So they were a little surprised to see how far upon another level O'Neal seemed to be, and with such aggression.

With respect, since the full playoff statistics are not that much different, why not just post those instead of that incomplete graphic, thus avoiding the inevitable responses pointing out the incompleteness of that photo?

Shaquille O'Neal - 2001 Playoffs
30.4ppg
15.4rpg
3.2apg
2.4bpg
.555 FG%

Kobe Bryant - 2001 Playoffs
29.4ppg
7.3rpg
6.1apg
1.6spg
.469 FG%

Amongst sensible fans, I believe it'd depend upon whether Bryant scored 44 by taking 44 shots or if he Shaq'd it and just absolutely dominated by hitting over 60% of his shots. The former could point toward shot selection issues, an unwillingness to make the right play, or a singular inability to make shots at a solid clip (with an emphasis on could), while the latter tends to point to a player doing something very effective, very often, only for the game not to work out in his favor.

good post. Everybody that saw shaq 1998-2004 live knows that shaq was an absolute monster and that stats don't do justice to what he brought to the game. Youngins will point his ppg & rpg but they'll never understand how much OPEN SPACE he created for others.

[Mr Feeny]

Shaq was without a doubt the best player on those championship runs. However.

Shaq would have got his ass knocked out by Timmy and Pop every single one of those years if it wasn't for Kobe.

Not quite. Had the sun's trade with nash and Marion gone down like Jackson WANTED, they might well have won 5-6 rings.

"He's uncoachable":applause:

[lakerspng]

they also miss that kobe was getting wiiiiide open shots because shaq was double/triple teamed on every possession. I'm just laughing right now because I remember those days, shaq was a freaking ogre on the court:oldlol:

Kobe's never gotten wide open shots in his entire life, don't be ridiculous. He was getting doubled as much as Shaq.

I miss having that Shaq on the Lakers, loved watching him destroy teams.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe's never gotten wide open shots in his entire life, don't be ridiculous. He was getting doubled as much as Shaq.

I miss having that Shaq on the Lakers, loved watching him destroy teams.

Ofcourse. Both were doubled teamed leaving 1 man covering the other 3 lakers. This makes perfect sense....:applause:

[lakerspng]

Ofcourse. Both were doubled teamed leaving 1 man covering the other 3 lakers. This makes perfect sense....:applause:

because it's a known fact that players do not rotate on defense to double team the man with the ball if he's a threat on offense.

you sir are a basketball genius.

[riseagainst]

Not quite. Had the sun's trade with nash and Marion gone down like Jackson WANTED, they might well have won 5-6 rings.

"He's uncoachable":applause:

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[Magic 32]

Amongst sensible fans, I believe it'd depend upon whether Bryant scored 44 by taking 44 shots or if he Shaq'd it and just absolutely dominated by hitting over 60% of his shots. The former could point toward shot selection issues, an unwillingness to make the right play, or a singular inability to make shots at a solid clip (with an emphasis on could), while the latter tends to point to a player doing something very effective, very often, only for the game not to work out in his favor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm8pUCnZ6dc&t=1m37s

50 points (20-35 fg%) 8 reb 5 ast

All blame.

"He tried to win it by himself"

"He did not take advantage of the frontcourt (KWAME!)"

"He tried to be the hero"

"He should have passed it to Smush"

[Rake2204]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm8pUCnZ6dc&t=1m37s

50 points (20-35 fg%) 8 reb 5 ast

All blame.

"He tried to win it by himself"

"He did not take advantage of the frontcourt (KWAME!)"

"He tried to be the hero"

"He should have passed it to Smush"Yep, I think that would be an example where I disagree with Barkley, but I say that without remembering that game and how it played out.

I am actually not usually a fan of the "superstars should always take the last second shot, even if it's a 29 footers over three players" train of thought but in this case, with how things transpired (Phoenix bringing a very late double), I do not think there was a better option for the Lakers or Bryant. Smush Parker is not a good shooter, was 0 for 5 at the time, and would have likely had less than two seconds to set and get off a shot. So again, in that case, I think Barkley is incorrect.

Kind of an interesting box score to look at (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200605040LAL.html). Kwame Brown dropping 17 and 9 (on 8-9 shooting). The frontcourt shooting a combined 21-35 from the field. From a distance, it sort of looks like Los Angeles just got outran. The Lakers shot 55% from the field. Pretty spectacular. But Phoenix shot 57% from the field.

Also interesting to see that, for a run-and-gun overtime affair, both benches really only went 6 or 7 players deep (House, Grant, Cook, and Turiaf all played under 7 minutes).

Did you watch that game in full? If so, what do you feel spelled LA's demise that night?

[Magic 32]

Did you watch that game in full? If so, what do you feel spelled LA's demise that night?

Not being a very good team.

Oh, and Tim Thomas.

[Rake2204]

Not being a very good team.

Oh, and Tim Thomas.True. Haha. I forgot the Tim Thomas story. They mentioned him playing in YMCA's that season before being picked up on Phoenix just prior to the playoffs. Pretty wild.

[RidonKs]

lol i'll never forget that postup he had on mutombo. catches in the middle, quick turn over left shoulder, elevates using left arm to squash deke's face like a beetle, knocks in easy jump hook.... and gets the and 1

mutombo is like :wtf: am i supposed to do??? :confusedshrug: :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dat career game 1 average :biggums: